and analyse that and i think there are lots of positives, we created a lot of opportunity we just did not make the most of it and i think that's what we've got a look out for the next game and in the brother now is about the scotland game and how we can use today's game to get a really good result out of the next game. scotland's women earned their first point of the tournament — sharing a goalless draw with ireland. nikki lloyd had their best chance. they'll play england in their final group game on tuesday. ireland face germany. any faint hopes of a remarkable cup in the solheim cup seem to be fading after a dominant two days the usa had a 5—point lead and need just three and a half points from today's singles to retain the trophy but things did not appear to be going their way thanks to good early performances including from german caroline masson, but the usa fought back, inspired by lexi thompson, she was four down after four holes but amazingly turned it around to half the match against anna nordqvist. the usa currently up in five matches and heading for victory. ronnie o'sullivan has been knocked out of the china championship — suffering a surprise quarter final defeat by belgian youngster luca brecel. after mark williams‘ defeat too — it leaves shaun murphy as the only former world champion left in the draw. he rattled in a break of 126 to wrap up a 5—2 win over home hope zhou yuelong. he'll play ali carter in the semi finals. there were two matches today in rugby league's super 8's qualifiers hull krjoin warrington wolves on six points at the top after victory over london bronco's by 35 points to 30. while widnes are third after a 58 points to ten win over featherstone. that's all from sportsday. more sport at around quarter past eight. readers of alanjudd's spy stories first met charles thoroughgood when he was in the army, then when he was a trainee in the secret service, but now a few years on, he's become chief of mi6. he's top dog, but whitehall doesn't work quite like that. in deep blue, thoroughgood spends almost as much time fighting the bureaucracy around him and his rivals as the people who are trying to steal something important and dangerous. welcome. it might be thought by some people that when you reach the top of the tree in the secret world, you know everything, you're in charge. but in this book, charles, your hero, discovers that many of the battles he's fighting aren't with the other side or some terrorist group or something, but with people around him. yes. i think that's not peculiar to the secret world either. i think most organisations, maybe even the bbc, you might find you devote a lot of your energies to internecine warfare, or to problems within the organisation which stop you doing what it's there to do. so that is part of charles‘ dilemma and i think it's in a way easier to write a spy novel if you have things going on on the home front than if you're just fighting, as it were, the war abroad. and that's life particularly in that kind of world because there's so much you can't say, even to fairly close colleagues. i mean that might also be true in the bbc, who knows? i couldn't possibly comment, but that is the way that it works, isn't it? yes, there's a necessary compartmentalisation. of people in secret organisations tend not to talk about their secrets to other people in the organisation who have different secrets. one of the things about deep blue, and i'm not going to go into the plot because it would ruin it for anyone who hasn't read the book. one of the things about it is that there's a kind of old—fashioned quality to it in a sense that the crises, the threats, the panic doesn't really change with the ages. i mean, there might be different technology. you might be intercepting phone calls in a contemporary way that you couldn't have done before, but the fundamentals are exactly the same. they don't change. no, i think the fundamentals to spying don't change. it's often said to the second oldest profession and essentially, you're dealing with intelligence, with people telling other people secrets, or not telling them secrets, trying to stop them. and there are various ways in which the telling can happen. it can be technical, it can be person to person, or it could be whatever you like, but essentially, you're dealing with the same things. and, of course, what is not said is often as important as what is said. indeed. what makes charles thoroughgood, your central character, whom we met originally in legacy when he was training to be an officer in mi6, what makes him good at hisjob? why did he reach the top? well, i think he, erm, well i'm not always sure he is good at hisjob and it's a bit of an accident, he's reached the top. he never expected to and it was only because of treachery within the higher circles that he did. i think he's good at his job because he's determined to get to the truth of something. i think that's what marks him out and he's not too committed to it. he doesn't live only for that. he is, i hope, a human being. that's a very interesting observation. he's not too committed to it. do you mean that the people who are sometimes best at that kind of thing are people who despite perhaps moments of excitement, moments of, you know, important action, nonetheless keep it in perspective and make it only as part of their lives? i think the best people do because after all, you're dealing with human beings and if you're not much of a human being yourself, you don't understand other human beings very well. so you need that kind of perspective, or ought to have it anyway. i suspect that anyone reading this book or its predecessors who doesn't know anything about you and perhaps reads a biography that says, a biographical note that says, former soldier and diplomat, might suspect that you have some experience of labouring in the secret vineyards, and you have, haven't you? i've heard that, too. people have said that about me in print and to my face. it's quite interesting that you should raise it. and you've never denied it? i don't think so. in that case, let's talk about the people that you may have reason to know something about and how they behave because you've talked about thoroughgood not letting this dominate his life. why is that a good thing? well, i think you've got to have a life outside what you do, or you ought to have anyway. if your life is wholly in what you do, you become confined within it and especially if you're working in the secret world, which is, you know, cut off from most other parts of humanity, it's a good idea to have an idea of what the rest of humanity's doing and to see that you are actually only part of a bigger picture. you're not the whole picture. you say cut off from the rest of humanity, which of course is an interesting observation because it is inevitable, and we see this in your novel to the person of thoroughgood and his friends, that you are engaged inevitably in deceit. perhaps benign deceit of family and friends as well as, you know, the other side, whatever it may be at any particular moment. i think, yes. the question of deceit is really very interesting because in a way, you have to be honest. i think for many people in the intelligence professions, honesty is the most important quality and they need to be rigorously honest in their deceit. you deceive the people you should deceive for the right reasons. you don't deceive just promiscuously or for the wrong reasons, and you have to be very honest with yourself about who you're deceiving and why. promiscuous deceit must be a hazard of the trade though? i imagine it is. i mean, people learn techniques of deceit that could carry over elsewhere if they were dishonest. and perhaps enjoy it a little bit too much. that's a problem, too, isn't it? indeed. i think we all enjoy knowing a secret and it's a form of power and we also enjoy sharing a secret. so it is a hazard, yes. somebody once said to me, i think who's got reason to know about these things, that dealing in the secret world as thoroughgood does, having reached the top particularly, what you're dealing with in the end is the riddle of power. what you're dealing with is trying to work out why someone is doing something, how they're using the power they have and perhaps how to stop them. yes. i can see what is meant in that. if you apply it to the british system, the british intelligence agencies, for example, do not have a great deal of power in the british state, unlike many other countries where they're much more powerful. the british intelligence agencies essentially advise. they provide information and governments make the decision. so real power lies with whitehall governance, but of course within any organisation there are power structures and of course there's power play within that. why do you enjoy writing about this world ? you write about other things. you've been celebrated for a series of remarkable short novels, some of them almost novellas, and yet you return to this theme. what does it allow you to do as a writer that you enjoy? i think it allows for an element of humour, which i quite like injecting. i mean, not to make them very funny books, so you could do entirely humorous books about the secret world, but whenever people are trying to be secret, things go wrong. i mean if you arrange to a man with red hair, six foot seven in the nearest bar to the bbc here tonight at six o'clock, you go into that bar and there'd be four them. it's just the nature of things. that is the way life is. yes, so one can bring that out. all carrying the daily telegraph under their left arm. exactly, yes. yeah. yesterday's. what's next? thoroughgood's reached the top. does he survive at the top? can you tell us? well, i haven't decided because each of the thoroughgood spy novels was never written with a successor in mind, so i've always had to juggle what happens to him. i would never have made him chief early on if i thought i was going to go on writing them. and that, of course, is power by another name. yes. yeah, that is power by another name. alanjudd, author of deep blue out in paperback, thank you very much. thank you. the impression of sunday very much driven i suspect by where you spent the day, some got work done, some got play done. down into the south—westerly quarter the first signs already of cloud thickening up and eventually came the rain. that mild and moist air coming from the atla ntic mild and moist air coming from the atlantic will be all over the southern counties of england and wales during the course of the night further north and east the skies will be that bit clearer and some will be that bit clearer and some will see temperatures falling into single figures. what news of monday? it's mild and moist air and the cloud will set right across the mirrors and tours of the south west up mirrors and tours of the south west up into the hills of wales and fairly murky fear across a good part of the midlands down into the south—east but get to the eastern side of the pennines, the top end of east anglia and quite widely across scotla nd east anglia and quite widely across scotland a drive fine and sunny start, there will be some cloud but a good deal better than those in northern ireland where it will be a wet start to the day and the rain just keeps on coming. so it will be quite heavy, the band of weather eases its way north, light and patchy, the eastern borders also staying dry for a goodly portion of the day, so to the north and east of scotland, if the sun comes out in the south and it might do we could see captures up to 2a, 25, possibly 26. same combination of france trying to get up towards the top end of scotla nd trying to get up towards the top end of scotland saw the rain taking a long time, tuesday lunchtime before we see it in the far north. again in the south and this mild air the potential is there if the sun breaks to the cloud to see a temperature easily 26, 20 7 degrees. here we to the cloud to see a temperature easily 26,20 7 degrees. here we are again, tuesday and wednesday, same low pressure trying to drive these weather fronts and the western side of the british isles, still mild and moist a, again if the sun comes out could easily see captures around 26. further north are very disappointing day for any time of year but especially august. warmer for a time in the coming week, driest in the south, further north there will be periods of rain. this is bbc news, i'm lukwesa burak. the headlines at 8pm: officials confirm that 7—year—old british—australian boy, julian cadman, was among those who died in the barcelona terror attack. police say the terror cell had collected more than 120 gas cannisters in the house which exploded in alcanar. jerry lewis, the comedy legend who teamed up with dean martin before starring in his own series of slapstick movies during the 19505, has died at his las vegas home aged 91. here, cold callers who scam people out of their pensions could soon face fines of up to half a million pounds. also in the next hour: the countdown begins to a total solar eclipse, with millions of americans preparing to see this once—in—a—lifetime spectacle. it will be the first to cross the usa from coast to coast in 99 years.