�*darest thou cassius, now; "�*leap in with me in to this angry flood "and swim to yonder point?”' and we'd go, "oh, jeff!" we'd be going... but it would go on for five minutes! jeff actually went to the rsc, didn't he? he certainly did. did he lead the way for you in that way? well, i expect he certainly did. but i was taken to stratford, by my parents again, in...in... ..in1953, i think. and that would have been the very first shakespeare that you saw? no! oh, no. i'd seen shakespeare a long, long time ago, when my brother peter played duncan at st peter's school. macbeth. and i was taken... yeah. and he walked in and said, "what bloody man is that?" and i thought, "this is for me, this is absolutely for me." and then we went to stratford, when i was still bent on being a designer, and saw michael redgrave as lear. and it was the most incredible set, which was a great, huge, flat circle. and in the middle was a pile of stones which turned,