more and more like an object in space, do you know? the image of an object in space. and so i, being rather slow coming from suffolk, i finally realised i should be making the things rather than painting them. and quite often i could be working on a painting for quite a while and realise it was a sculpture or work on a sculpture for a while and realise it was actually a painting. i mean, these things are very funny. and you took on a very public commissions, sort of monument/statue commissions. and i'm thinking in central london, you did an intriguing sort of public sculpture celebrating oscar wilde, you took on a commission to celebrate benjamin britten. that wasn't a commission. which one? the oscar wilde was commissioned, yes, but the... ..but scallop