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if the democrats retain control of congress will be to reinstate nationwide abortion rights. the democrats have made reproductive rights a central part of their campaign for the midterm elections. now on bbc news, mark devenport explores the pressures on the constitution and the crown — is the kingdom of charles iii united enough to last? born a prince, he grew up in the public eye. the man who would be king. with the passing of the queen, the responsibility of the night at king and the wider commonwealth, now rests with king charles iii. amidst the p°mp king charles iii. amidst the pomp and circumstance, the royal family's private grief has been on very public display. but once the wave of sympathy subsides, what will the future hold? as the latest sentence underlines how northern ireland has changed utterly, and the clan of the what you continues, we ask and the monarch keep united? it is one o'clock in the morning in south—east london. and there is no time to lose. hearing rumours the uk's longest queue may soon be closed to new arrivals, this group of friends, straight off the plane from belfast, hurry along. it is only when they are sure they have passed to the point of no return that catherine and her companions pause to explain the extraordinary late—night pilgrimage. i extraordinary late-night pilgrimage-— extraordinary late-night mailrimae. , ~ , pilgrimage. i “ust think this is pilgrimage. i 'ust think this is a really — pilgrimage. i just think this is a really historic- pilgrimage. i just think this | is a really historic moment. pilgrimage. i just think this i is a really historic moment. i am a teacher, i primarily teach english and a bit of history and ijust think english and a bit of history and i just think the palace and ijust think the palace of westminster, built after william the conqueror we teach that in school and we still talk about him years later. i think we will still be talking about this queen in many generations to come. i think the crown — generations to come. i think the crown will _ generations to come. i think the crown will carry - generations to come. i think the crown will carry us - generations to come. i think. the crown will carry us through the crown will carry us through the difficulties here and we are in— the difficulties here and we are in it _ the difficulties here and we are in it together and the difficulties here and we are in it togetherand in the difficulties here and we are in it together and in the end— are in it together and in the end we_ are in it together and in the end we are paying respects to the queen is there for over 70 years — the queen is there for over 70 ears, , ., ., . " the queen is there for over 70 ears. , a , the queen is there for over 70 ears. a a years. good luck! good luck with the rest _ years. good luck! good luck with the rest of _ years. good luck! good luck with the rest of the - years. good luck! good luck with the rest of the trip. - years. good luck! good luck| with the rest of the trip. this is by no means the only group of northern ireland joining the queue. the number of aeroplanes going across to not have been packed with people, who are intent on waiting all night in order to see the queen, lying in state. it has been the longest apprenticeship in british royal history. 1969, queen elizabeth ii and her eldest son receives the coronet sword and mantle that go with his role with the prince of wales. i, his role with the prince of wales. . , . ., wales. i, charles, prince of wales, wales. i, charles, prince of wales. to _ wales. i, charles, prince of wales, to become - wales. i, charles, prince of wales, to become your- wales. i, charles, prince of| wales, to become your liege wales. i, charles, prince of. wales, to become your liege a man of life and limb and earthly worship and in faith and truth i will guarantee the to live and die against all manner of folks.- to live and die against all manner of folks. ~ ., ., ., manner of folks. more than half a century would _ manner of folks. more than half a century would pass _ manner of folks. more than half a century would pass before - manner of folks. more than half a century would pass before he | a century would pass before he assumed his new title, king charles iii. i assumed his new title, king charles iii.— charles iii. i have to say, i have been _ charles iii. i have to say, i have been pleasantly - charles iii. i have to say, i - have been pleasantly surprised. i think is done everyone proud. talking to people at home we have felt the same way, he has stepped up. hopefully, it would do us proud. stepped up. hopefully, it would do us proud-— do us proud. child will be to usher through _ do us proud. child will be to usher through the _ do us proud. child will be to usher through the 21st - do us proud. child will be to i usher through the 21st century, the queen did a greatjob in her rain_ the queen did a greatjob in her rain transitioning from the commonwealth and i think he would — commonwealth and i think he would do _ commonwealth and i think he would do the transition into modern—day. its would do the transition into modern-day.— would do the transition into modern-da . �* , . . modern-day. as a prince, king charles iii. _ modern-day. as a prince, king charles iii, relationship - modern-day. as a prince, king charles iii, relationship with i charles iii, relationship with our land was marked by tragedy and trauma as a listjust touches —— gestures of friendship and reconciliation. his ceremonial role as head of the paratroop regiment made him a target for republican protest when he visited londonderry. he suffered first—hand with a loss of his favourite great uncle, lord mountbatten, murdered by the ira more than a0 years ago. at the time, i could not imagine how we would come to terms with the anguish of such a deeper loss. it is, for me, he represented the grandfather i never had. through this dreadful experience i now understand, in a profound way, the agony is borne by so many others in these islands. charles shared his mother determination to build bridges, travelling to dublin in 1995, 16 years before the queen's historic state visit. i 16 years before the queen's historic state visit.- historic state visit. i think it's great _ historic state visit. i think it's great to _ historic state visit. i think it's great to see - historic state visit. i think it's great to see him - historic state visit. i think| it's great to see him here. historic state visit. i think - it's great to see him here. he is very welcome.— is very welcome. good relationship _ is very welcome. good relationship between l is very welcome. good i relationship between the countries. in relationship between the countries.— relationship between the countries. in a sense, his visit paved _ countries. in a sense, his visit paved the _ countries. in a sense, his visit paved the way - countries. in a sense, his visit paved the way for i countries. in a sense, his| visit paved the way for her visit — visit paved the way for her visit and _ visit paved the way for her visit and he _ visit paved the way for her visit and he is _ visit paved the way for her visit and he is a _ visit paved the way for her visit and he is a frequent i visit and he is a frequent visitor— visit and he is a frequent visitor to _ visit and he is a frequent visitor to islands- visit and he is a frequent visitor to islands along . visit and he is a frequent. visitor to islands along with camilla _ visitor to islands along with camilla and _ visitor to islands along with camilla and he _ visitor to islands along with camilla and he has- visitor to islands along with camilla and he has said - visitor to islands along with camilla and he has said hel camilla and he has said he wants— camilla and he has said he wants to _ camilla and he has said he wants to visit _ camilla and he has said he wants to visit every - camilla and he has said he wants to visit every county camilla and he has said he - wants to visit every county and island — wants to visit every county and island and _ wants to visit every county and island and l _ wants to visit every county and island and i give _ wants to visit every county and island and i give him _ wants to visit every county and island and i give him ten - wants to visit every county and island and i give him ten out . island and i give him ten out of ten— island and i give him ten out of tenfor— island and i give him ten out of ten for effort _ island and i give him ten out of ten for effort when - island and i give him ten out of ten for effort when it - island and i give him ten out . of ten for effort when it comes here — of ten for effort when it comes here he — of ten for effort when it comes here he does— of ten for effort when it comes here. he does things - of ten for effort when it comes here. he does things like - of ten for effort when it comes here. he does things like will. here. he does things like will have — here. he does things like will have a — here. he does things like will have a go— here. he does things like will have a go at— here. he does things like will have a go at an _ here. he does things like will have a go at an irish- here. he does things like will have a go at an irish sport. here. he does things like willl have a go at an irish sport and so on — have a go at an irish sport and so on i— have a go at an irish sport and so on idon't— have a go at an irish sport and so on. idon't know— have a go at an irish sport and so on. idon't know if- have a go at an irish sport and so on. i don't know if he - have a go at an irish sport and so on. i don't know if he has l so on. i don't know if he has quite — so on. i don't know if he has quite reach _ so on. i don't know if he has quite reach the _ so on. i don't know if he has quite reach the heights - so on. i don't know if he has quite reach the heights that| quite reach the heights that his mother— quite reach the heights that his mother did _ quite reach the heights that his mother did in— quite reach the heights that his mother did in her- quite reach the heights that his mother did in her 2011 l his mother did in her 2011 visit, _ his mother did in her 2011 visit, which _ his mother did in her 2011 visit, which was - his mother did in her 2011 visit, which was a really l visit, which was a really landmark— visit, which was a really landmark visit. - visit, which was a really landmark visit. i- visit, which was a really landmark visit.- visit, which was a really landmark visit. ., ., landmark visit. i look around. like his mother, _ landmark visit. i look around. like his mother, charles - landmark visit. i look around. like his mother, charles held| like his mother, charles held out the hand of friendship to irish republicans. it must�*ve been very difficult her late majesty and our new king to engage with sinn fein figures having suffered that very real personal loss. it seems clear they were both very close to lord mountbatten, and losing him and his grandson and others in that tragedy, you know, make them definitely, they fall within the victim of the northern ireland troubles. so when charles iii made his first visit to northern ireland as the king, few could be surprised with diplomatic approach to politicians across the spectrum here. nevertheless, the encounter with stormont�*s sinn fein speaker was palpable. i with stormont's sinn fein speaker was palpable. i would like to sympathise _ speaker was palpable. i would like to sympathise with - speaker was palpable. i would like to sympathise with you i speaker was palpable. i would like to sympathise with you at j like to sympathise with you at this difficult time. we are thankfulfor their this difficult time. we are thankful for their commitment of queen elizabeth and the encouragement to building peace and reconciliation across the island and indeed for all of those who seek to keep us moving toward that goal. this certainly was, _ moving toward that goal. this certainly was, for _ moving toward that goal. this certainly was, for me - moving toward that goal. this certainly was, for me anyway, a moment— certainly was, for me anyway, a moment watching the king at hillsborough thinking this really— hillsborough thinking this really is an extraordinary abolition of history and if you ask most— abolition of history and if you ask most historians with the better— ask most historians with the better crystal balls to gaze into — better crystal balls to gaze into 20 _ better crystal balls to gaze into 20 years ago, that would have — into 20 years ago, that would have been unthinkable. it would have _ have been unthinkable. it would have seemed like something of the work— have seemed like something of the work of hopeful fiction. we ass our the work of hopeful fiction. - pass our condolences onto a man who had lost his mother. we were respectful. we were also recognising the significant contribution that his mother, queen elizabeth, played in advancing peace and reconciliation and my own experience is that this is something that republicans were comfortable with. ext} something that republicans were comfortable with.— comfortable with. 50 years ago, in the wake _ comfortable with. 50 years ago, in the wake of _ comfortable with. 50 years ago, in the wake of ladies _ comfortable with. 50 years ago, in the wake of ladies sunday, i in the wake of ladies sunday, the british embassy in dublin was burned down. —— blood he sunday. in the wake of the queen death, a small number of floral tributes were laid at the gates. i floral tributes were laid at the gates— the gates. i think there is hue the gates. i think there is huge potential— the gates. i think there is huge potential for - the gates. i think there is huge potential for king i the gates. i think there is i huge potential for king charles huge potentialfor king charles iii to continue the work his mother championed as trying to unify people and support reconciliation. throughout his life he has been enormously positive about his mother's work. i would positive about his mother's work. iwould be positive about his mother's work. i would be optimistic that he would be able to follow in those footsteps. but that he would be able to follow in those footsteps.— that he would be able to follow in those footsteps. but is room for manoeuvre _ in those footsteps. but is room for manoeuvre could _ in those footsteps. but is room for manoeuvre could be - in those footsteps. but is room for manoeuvre could be limited by the souring of relations between london and dublin in the wake of brexit. i between london and dublin in the wake of brexit.— the wake of brexit. i think the post-brexit — the wake of brexit. i think the post-brexit scenario - the wake of brexit. i think the post-brexit scenario does i the wake of brexit. i think the l post-brexit scenario does make post—brexit scenario does make things difficult for king charles's. 0bviously now relations between them are not good and probably the worst in recent memory at least. prince charles obviously will be trying to remain above all of that but it is a difficult situation stoplight what is interesting is there is an opportunity to get brexit sorted in some way in some workable way and in parallel with that, king charles can reach out ireland the hand of friendship to again. i reach out ireland the hand of friendship to again.— friendship to again. i don't think we — friendship to again. i don't think we will— friendship to again. i don't think we will see - friendship to again. i don't think we will see the i friendship to again. i don't think we will see the high | think we will see the high water— think we will see the high water mark after the visit of queen— water mark after the visit of queen elizabeth but it can be improved because it is pretty bad at — improved because it is pretty bad at the moment. certainly he cannot do anything _ bad at the moment. certainly he cannot do anything that - bad at the moment. certainly he cannot do anything that he i cannot do anything that he seemed _ cannot do anything that he seemed to _ cannot do anything that he seemed to undermine i cannot do anything that he seemed to undermine his| cannot do anything that he i seemed to undermine his own government _ seemed to undermine his own government it— seemed to undermine his own government. it cannot - seemed to undermine his own government. it cannot be i seemed to undermine his own| government. it cannot be seen to contradict— government. it cannot be seen to contradict their— government. it cannot be seen to contradict their policy - government. it cannot be seen to contradict their policy but i to contradict their policy but given— to contradict their policy but given what— to contradict their policy but given what we _ to contradict their policy but given what we know - to contradict their policy but given what we know about l to contradict their policy but l given what we know about the king's— given what we know about the king's personality, _ given what we know about the king's personality, he - given what we know about the king's personality, he would l king's personality, he would not surprise _ king's personality, he would not surprise me _ king's personality, he would not surprise me if— king's personality, he would not surprise me if that - king's personality, he would not surprise me if that was i not surprise me if that was another— not surprise me if that was another flashpoint in- not surprise me if that was another flashpoint in this i another flashpoint in this process _ another flashpoint in this process. she's— back in the queue, 12 hours after they set out, the friends from tyrone are tired but elated. they have just had a royal morale booster. the end is in sight. it's been unbelievable. we've done very well together encouraging ourselves along the way. there was a bit of a surprise. tell me what happened. we werejust coming down to lambeth bridge. and we saw the car with the royal standard on it. and word got round that charles and william were both arriving. so i got to shake both their hands. i said to william that him and his father are doing such a greatjob with such a difficult time this last week. and hejust said thank you very much. you've done a fantasticjob. good luck with the queue. three cheers for the king! hip hip hooray! when queen elizabeth acceded to the throne 70 years ago no—one could have predicted all the political, economic and social turmoil that played out during the course of her reign. equally no—one knows quite how long king charles will rule or what the world will look like or when his time draws to a close. however it's safe to assume that the monarchy will face more of this kind of thing. commonwealth countries like barbados deciding to jettison the crown in favour of their own elected head of state. godspeed, barbados. may yourjourney be long, fruitful, and bright. and may your sons and daughters all flourish. stand easy! there's no question that there will be fewer monarchies in the commonwealth within 5 to 10 years, i mean that's almost a given. i we've seen a groundswell to stay — in the commonwealth but not. to remain tied to the monarchy with a head of state i from the royal family. his royal highness, the prince of wales, prince charles! charles wants to govern with the broad consent of the people, and wants to be seen as a modern monarch. so in some ways, perhaps, being seen as the midwife at a new age of the transition to republican government. politically it might play well for the king at home. because what's the alternative? you are seen as someone who wants to reign from afar over countries where a majority of people are of other ethnic backgrounds. and that sits uneasily with a lot of people in the 2020s. whatever happens throughout the commonwealth, king charles�*s reign could witness big changes closer to home within the uk. here in scotland the snp is pushing for a split from england, but crucially, it wants to leave the new king in place. at no point have the snp been critical of the monarchy, indeed, been critical of the king. it has been stressing that their policy was always that they would maintain the crown in an independent scotland. just even the visuals i of seeing nicola sturgeon at that proclamation ceremony, at one stage singing god save the king, that is something that i think a lot of scottish people and other people in the uk and around the world haven't seen before. and it's a fascinating insight into what the snp actually believe in a way that will surprise many people. i think this wave of pro—uk, pro—monarch sentiment is going to have a big effect on scottish independence for a while. when the scottish last got to vote on independence, queen elizabeth urged them to consider theirfuture very carefully. the general assumption is that buckingham palace would like to keep its kingdom united. but with the snp supporting a continuation of the monarchy, that's an issue king charles will have to handle with extreme care. the queen passed away on her scottish estate at balmoral. there's been speculation that the affection expressed for her across scotland may bolster support for the country staying in the uk. i think it is going to have an impact, most definitely. ithink, you know, a lot of people will reassess and rethink things. and if it's going to do anything, it's going to give people probably ithink, you know, a lot of people will reassess and rethink things. and if it's going to do anything, it's going to give people probably a push to think again, and i hope it does. i love the queen, i love princess anne, but i'm still a yes. i think we could make it a lot better with independence. so i would probably stick with being a yes, i don't think this has impacted my decision at all. i think the political. thing is different from the royal thing, you know? with the royal thing, i i think sort of we've got an affinity to the queen and the royal house, i but politically i with what's been going on under borisjohnson and the rest of it, i don't- know about liz truss being any different, i that's a stumbling block. and that might be why people want to go independent. i as for me, i'm i on the fence a bit. how soon the impact of recent events will be tested remains uncertain as london continues to resist edinburgh's demands for a fresh referendum. one question that we really need to ask ourselves for the next few months, especially with a view to a potential referendum in 2023, as nicola sturgeon has promised, is, have people been monarchists, or have they been elizabethists? is it actually support for queen elizabeth that has felt like support for the institution of the monarchy and does that dissipate under king charles? if scotland goes it alone, albeit with a monarchy, what will the future hold for the rest of charles�*s kingdom? it would be very, very difficult for charles to, you know, continue to say he was the king of the united kingdom because the kingdom would no longer be united. there are risks around the union at the moment, and i think it is crucial for everyone, you know, who believes in the union to make a really positive case for it. and i think we also need to sort of engage the wider business communities, the civil society. of course it's important for those of us in elected office, to explain that unity and working together has tremendous advantages. it's the most successful political union in history. i wouldn't be able to make any kindl of a prediction - about whether or not northern ireland will be breakingl away from the union anytime soon, - but if the opinion polls are to be i believed and sinn fein does win the next election and lead i the next government in dublin, certainly you will hear talk- of a desire - for a united ireland ramping up a good few notches. whatever happens in scotland, last week's census results show the underlying picture here is also in flux. when queen elizabeth took the throne in the 1950s, more than six out of 10 people here were protestant and there was no doubt a clear majority of northern ireland's population — roughly two—thirds — favoured the union. the latest census reveals, though, that for the first time people here from a catholic background outnumber their neighbours from the protestant community. it's important, of course, not to equate someone's religion with their politics. however, taken together, the findings on religion and national identity show that the northern ireland king charles reigns over today is a very different place from the one his mother inherited 70 years ago. well, i wouldn't take the census in isolation. i think that it is an example out of many, which shows that we are living in a society that has changed. we are living in a society that will continue to change. and i think the results from the census show that there is a momentum and a trajectory to further change on this island. there is a conversation around constitutional change, and i do think it's inevitable that the question will be put to the people on this island, north and south. unionists reject the notion a united ireland is inevitable. some believe the monarchy�*s popularity here will shore up the argument for staying in the uk. undoubtedly, demographic change means that it's more important than ever for those of us who believe in the union to make a positive case for it. you know, i absolutely don't think that attitudes to the union have to split down sectarian lines. i feel sure that our new king and the royal family will continue to provide an important symbol of unity for our country, which i hope will be part of this continuing positive advocacy for keeping our nation together. do you believe that king charles iii will be the last monarch to reign over this part of the world? well, i don't know. but what i do say is that i do think constitutional change will be coming to this island. that's open for debate. but if an independent scotland would keep the monarch in place, what role, if any, might the king play in the event of a united ireland? if, as is likely, sinn fein becomes the largest political party and achieves power in the republic of ireland, and prioritises its unity agenda, would they be open to the idea of ireland rejoining the commonwealth? given that they will be under pressure to emphasise what they are prepared to compromise on when it comes to their relationship with unionists? could the commonwealth be a part of that story? if you were to achieve a united ireland, would there be any symbolic role that you could envisage king charles or his successors continuing to play? well, i'm an irish republican. i'm not a monarchist. but what i would say is that the shape of a new ireland is for all of us to have input into. everything needs to be on the table for conversation. in terms of a cultural emotional tie to unionism, the monarch is an extraordinary force. i think we would be naive, there's no possibility there's if there's a border poll that there will be any role for the monarchy in the island of ireland politically or from a head of state role afterwards. but i think the strength of royalist enthusiasm within the loyalist or unionist community would last for quite some time after any border poll, potentially for at least two, three, four generations. of course, charles's kingdom isn't just about lines on a map. it's also about what the public think and whether they remain content with the traditions of a constitutional monarchy. you only have to look at these queues to appreciate the enormous levels of affection felt for the queen. but in the future, will the people be content for the royal family to continue as if nothing has changed, orwill they want a more cost—efficient streamlined monarchy? i think we will end up within 10 years, maybe within 5, of being closer to the model used by the danish monarchy which is slimmed down. certainly, they have been pretty efficient about making sure that queen margaret ii doesn't include all the grandchildren or even all her children in hrh duties, for want of a better word. so i think the british monarchy will go down that route where it is smaller in its composition. we've seen dramatic changes during her late majesty's reign, so one would expect that to continue. it is an institution that's shown itself again and again ready to adapt to new circumstances, so i suspect we are likely to see some changes from our new king. polling carried out after the queen's death indicated that, across the uk, 67% of the public supported a continuation of the monarchy, with only 20% backing an elected presidency. in the polling for my own newspaper, the times, by yougov, you see for the first time in living memory, a majority of people saying they think king charles would make a good king. the difficulty is, as time goes on, will questions over whether this king is the right person to shepherd the institution into a new age rear their head again? back home in county tyrone, catherin and her the friends relive the 1a hours that culminated in entering westminster hall. just to have been a part of history and to have the opportunity was amazing. what do you think of prince charles filling her shoes? i think he's had a long time to learn the i think he's had a long time to learn the ropes so i think that's been a good learning curve for him. the nation is trying to come to terms with the loss of a queen of 70 years, and so i think that we'd quite like a bit of steadiness and consistency. there are changes within government as well, so hopefully king charles will continue and maintain the high standard that his mother has set. he may not get as long as his mother to make his mark but king charles iii's rain could yet turn out to be one of the most decisive and eventful eras in his kingdom's long constitutional history. hello again. yesterday, once the early morning mist and fog patches had cleared out of the way, most parts of the uk had plenty of sunshine but there were some big contrasts in the temperatures from north to south. across england and wales, very mild weather. in parts of sussex, temperatures as high as 20 degrees but even though we had sunshine across the north of the uk and scotland, here, it was much cooler, with temperatures in shetland just reaching 10 degrees. the reason, well we had this cooler air mass underneath this area of high pressure and that will be slipping eastwards over the next few days and this area of low pressure to our south—west really is going to dominate and will be very slow—moving so we will transition to even more unsettled weather conditions, really, and that transition is taking place right now. we are seeing outbreaks of rain arrive with strengthening winds and look at this, towards the start of wednesday morning, the end of the night, we're looking at temperatures of 16 degrees in plymouth and those temperatures are higher than they should be during the middle of the afternoon, let alone at the end of the night. through the west of wednesday, these bands of rain are going to erratically work their way northwards and a little bit further eastwards as we go through the day. i suspect parts of east anglia, north—east england and scotland will stay dry but there will be more cloud around, a few bright or sunny spells and a windier kind of day, gusts running into 30s of miles per hour but still very mild, 15—19 for england and wales, those temperatures a bit below average for scotland and northern ireland. for thursday, another band of rain comes up and this one is going to be heavier, perhaps with some numbers are funded as it swings across all of the country. just tending to clear, the skies brighten up there could be certain hefty showers arriving late in the day from further south. temperatures are still mild, 16—19 for england and wales, temperatures rising a bit and northern ireland but still close to average really in scotland. on friday, the low pressure is still firmly in charge. there will be plenty of showers around, potentially merging to give some lengthier spells of rain towards parts of wales, western england and northern ireland, closest to that centre of low pressure but it's mild again, temperatures are starting to rise a little bit in scotland with highs heading to 15 degrees or so through the central belt. that low pressure, though, is stuck with us through the weekend, so it's a case of further rain or showers, but it does stay on the mild side. that's your latest, bye—bye. welcome to bbc news. i'm ben boulos. our top stories: the worst drought somalia has seen in a0 years: the stark warning from the united nations, as aid camps admit a starving child every minute. you get a good idea here of how quickly this crisis is starting to accelerate. three, even a00 people now, arriving at this one small camp every day now. more than 1,000 towns and villages across ukraine are left without power after russia's latest bombardment targets power plants. president biden promises a national law on abortion rights, if democrats keep control of congress in the mid—term elections. with your support, i will sign a law codifying roe injanuary. together, let's remember who we are.

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