quarantine for arrivals — measures for passengers flying into the uk are being considered by the government. as airports look to adapt to a new way of travelling. the majority of footballers are scared of returning to action. ahead of 2 crucial meetings today, manchester city's sergio aguero says players will be worried about returning, due to concerns over the health of their families. but there are some sunny spells around but also heavy and thundery showers but for most of us the weather turns dry up through the weekend. more details throughout the programme this morning. it's friday the 1st of may. our top story: the government says it is likely to meet its target of testing 100,000 people per day, in england, for covid—19. it comes after the prime minister borisjohnson said the uk is past the peak of the virus, and that facemasks will be a useful part of the strategy to ease the lockdown. 0n today's programme we'll be getting reaction from a professor of global public health, and a health psychologist who advises the government. we'll also be speaking to the housing minister, robertjenrick, and hearing from business leaders, including the chief executive of heathrow airport. first, danjohnson rounds up the latest developments. for a nation cut off, closed down, hurting... applause this is notjust about gratitude, it has become a regular act of communion, in the name of the carer, the medic, the vital key worker, helping hands that have kept the country on its feet and saved lives. during. an reminder that in the crossfire of coronavirus, heroes can be patients as well. west midland superintendent phil dobbin spent more than two weeks on a ventilator. now, the next generation training for the frontline are being named after the miracle workers of oui’ named after the miracle workers of our nhs. also bouncing back, the prime minister, with his own reasons to be thankful and a message of hope... i can confirm today that, for the first time, we are past the peak of this disease. we are past the peg and we are on the downward slope. —— peak. the peg and we are on the downward slope. -- peak. that may be but hundreds are still dying every day. across the uk, the virus has taken someone across the uk, the virus has taken someone special from 26,700 families. more people are in hospital trying to shake it off. it is still too early to lift the lockdown. we must stay below one stop more detail on that but here is a hint of what our future may hold... fake -- face coverings may be useful for epidemiological reasons but also forgiving confidence to people that they can get back to work. wednesday's latest figures showed we are still 18,000 short of the target. we only had 5000, this is now 20,000 and this is the reason why we are quite likely to get close or meet the 100,000 target. our worries and strike a shedin target. our worries and strike a shed in this new expression of community. thursday, eight o'clock, is about togetherness through torrid times. humanity‘s challenge means more pain, suffering and fear but, as nature inflicts its worst, it can reflect our very best and there are signs of better days ahead. dan johnson, bbc news. 0ur political correspondent, leila nathoo, in westminster. leila, the government sounds confident of meeting that testing target for england. also new things coming out of the press conference? we talked about expecting to hear some details on an exit strategy. boris johnson under pressure to set out some details of that but he said that he would leave that but he said that he would leave that for next week, when we get the mad max, the menu of options, he said, that could be coming for the next phase. what we did here a few interesting nuggets, submit information about facemasks, saying that could be useful going forward to give people confidence. that is a key point, that ministers have to grapple with going forward, that even the science and data did date it is safe to release some measures, it is safe to release some measures, it will take more to get people back out to work, using public transport, because people are very feasible. interesting that he's talking about that. thank you very much. us president donald trump says he's seen evidence that suggests coronavirus originated in a chinese laboratory. his claim, made in a press briefing overnight, contradicts a statement by his country's own intelligence agencies, which said that covid—19 was not man—made. david willis reports. the pa pathogen lab at wuhan‘s institute of virology. did the deadly coronavirus emanate from here? china strenuously denies such suggestions. the president of the united states believes otherwise. mr trump says he seen evidence linking the virus to the lab, although he wouldn't be drawn on what that evidence consisted of. he told reporters either china couldn't stop the virus from spreading, or it didn't try to. this is something that could have been contained at the original location, and i think it would have been contained relatively easily. china is a very sophisticated country and they could have contained it. they were either unable to or they chose not to and the world is suffering greatly. while laying to rest one of the more extreme conspiracy theories surrounding the virus, that it was man—made and unleashed as a biological weapon, the us intelligence community didn't contradict the president's theory, saying: this country has already seen more cases of the coronavirus than anywhere else in the world, over a million, and more than 60,000 deaths. the virus has also devastated what was once a booming economy, leading to long lines in cities such as houston, as people queue for free food. although he's avoided direct criticism of china's president xi, with whom he's maintained cordial relations, president trump has talked of making china pay for the harm the virus has caused to the american economy and, by extension, to his chances of re—election. relations between the world's two largest economies could get very frosty indeed. david willis, bbc news. 0ur china correspondent, stephen mcdonell is in beijing. stephen, what's been the reaction there to president trump's comments? todayis today is a public holiday in china so there is no normal foreign ministry briefing however, we are in touch with the foreign ministry and trying to get some sort of statement out of them and we will bring that to you if and when we get it. the interesting thing here about these comments as well from us intelligence agencies that the coronavirus was not man—made laboratory, you are having a situation where chinese nationalists are celebrating that but, if it is not man—made, it also poses a problem for the conspiracy theory that it was a us bio weapon made in a laboratory. i guess it is sort of putting a stick and never spoke of conspiracy theorists around the world who claim it was some sort of bio weapon and man—made. world who claim it was some sort of bio weapon and man-made. looking at the life flowing behind you, what is the life flowing behind you, what is the picture in terms of china returning to any kind of normality? we have had big changes in beijing on the last day or so. we were so use of the coronavirus lockdown life, it is alarming how quickly it has happened but, for example, facemasks, i do not have to wear them in public but i have it in my pocket because if you go into a building you still have to wear one but ina building you still have to wear one but in a park, outdoors, the beijing government saying no need for a mask. no more quarantine for internal travel, except for these hotspots. because you can go and visit a family member if they live ina visit a family member if they live in a different housing compound, that was also prohibited. this has come quickly after it was stated that there will be a beating a crucial meeting. 170 million people to expect that their flash trips are expected. actually, it is only a third of the trips for this holiday last year so while people are getting out and about in increasing numbers, there is still quite some caution in china about how safe it is. also the trips are mostly for people travelling nearby. they are not getting on planes and criss—crossing the country in massive numbers just yet. criss—crossing the country in massive numbersjust yet. very interesting. thank you very much. most people in the uk would not want to go out, even if the government officially ends the lockdown in a months time, according to a new survey. 60% of those asked said they would be uncomfortable about going to bars and restaurants or using public transport. and more than 40% would still be reluctant to go shopping or send their children to school, according to the poll by ipsos mori. victims of domestic abuse can seek help at all boots pharmacies across the uk from today. consultation rooms will be used as safe spaces, where victims will be put in touch with specialist services. we had a very special programme yesterday as we joined captain tom moore — the war veteran, fundraiser and current number one pop artist — to celebrate his 100th birthday. now and honorary kernel. —— colonel. thousands of cards, a military promotion and an england cricket call—up were all in the mix. then there was the flypast — and another £3 million in the pot. let's have a quick look back at a truly memorable day. it started as a bit of a family truck, really, to give tom something to do in isolation. that was then, this is now. bunting of birthday cards and bells. on behalf of bbc breakfast and everyone who celebrated your achievements across the uk, let me wish you a very happy 100th birthday. the first birthday ca rd started to 100th birthday. the first birthday card started to arrive and more and more came. the numbers grew, as a numbers grew, now take a look at this, more than 125,000 birthday cards! # happy birthday to you... happy cards! # happy birthday to you... happy birthday to you #... cards! # happy birthday to you... happy birthday to you #. .. there is a letter here from the chief of the general staff who conveys your appointment to become an honorary colonel. applause hgppy happy birthday, captain tom, or should i say, colonel, from today. # happy birthday to you, happy birthday captain tom grandpa, happy birthday captain tom grandpa, happy birthday to you! #. cheering and applause. i have never experienced anything like this. it is really amazing. thank you very much to eve ryo ne amazing. thank you very much to everyone wherever you. it really is fantastic, isn't it? what a great line to finish on. i can't believe he got to £32 million. he was trying to get to £30 million during the programme, but he'sjust done such fantastic work. i hope captain tom is having a great day today. something tells me it is not in his nature to have a lie—in. today. something tells me it is not in his nature to have a lie-in. he certainly does deserve a rest, he has done more than enough. let's take a look at today's front pages. the daily mirror leads on boris johnson's declaration that the uk is past the peak of the virus, illustrated by a photograph of a rainbow. that is a gorgeous picture. there we re that is a gorgeous picture. there were a lot of rainbows out yesterday. stunning. the telegraph reports on the prime minister's promise to reveal a road map out of lockdown. that was the phrase used at the press co nfe re nce that was the phrase used at the press conference yesterday. the paper claims some ministers want to get the number of daily infections down to the hundreds before easing restrictions. the times also leads on boris johnson's comments, but it also finds space on its front page for a picture of captain tom moore celebrating his 100th birthday, yesterday. going through the inside pages this morning? so, phrases and things going this morning in the lockdown, the daily mail has spent a bit of time having fun with light. you can get the idea. "is it quarantini o'clock?" have you had a quarantini? they are made of ingredients from the back of the drinks covered. they are made of ingredients from the back of the drinks coveredlj have made a few mistakes with the leftover drinks in the cupboard. so, antisocial distancing, staying well clear of a colleague or neighbour supposedly on health grounds but actually because they always got on your nerves and you now have a government sanctioned excuse to give them a wide berth. and this one is coughing dodger, like coughlin dodger, someone who recoils at the tiniest throat clear from 20 feet away. there is a thing, that's more difficult, because some people will go absolutely, that is what i do all the time, but it's that kind of extreme reaction, you know, you sneeze and everyone stops. the worst place to sneeze is in a pharmacy. honestly, it happened and the whole place cleared out. it's a genuine risk, isn't it? and it is one we have paid out on the sofa a few times. when you zoom people and you are times. when you zoom people and you a re interested times. when you zoom people and you are interested in the background. they are calling it the elephant in the zoom. you are guilty of that, aren't you? you had shed envy earlier, that was one of the highlights. and there was criticism about everyone having bookshelves behind them, so, people being more creative with the backgrounds. and, i know we don't single out brands or anything, but what do you think is the top—selling car in the uk? anything, but what do you think is the top-selling car in the uk? now? during lockdown? now? is it a forward focus or something —— ford focus? it was the ford fiesta. but this kind of car... , guess how many we re this kind of car... , guess how many were bought this year? 85,000. the ford fiesta has been the bestselling car every year since 2015, fell to 59,000. that tiny car is a stalwart of any household. they are so durable. parental advice from charlie should be ignored at all times. since the lockdown began, unpaid carers have been working around the clock to support their loved ones — and charities are warning that many of them are at risk of simply burning out. now some groups are trying to support carers by organising online meet—ups and virtual cuppas. alice porter has this report. what would you like to do today? things to me are not getting better, they are getting worse. and i think that's because i feel so isolated. jackie is the only carer for her 28—year—old son. jackie is the only carer for her 28-year-old son. josh and i spend 20 four sevenths together, it become really difficult. —— spend some 24/7 together, he has autism and down syndrome and is non—verbal. communication has been very difficult. get set, go! since the lockdown, joshua went out every day of the week, but because his home, i am doing those things he would normally go out of the home to do. there are lots of organisations working hard to stop people from becoming isolated under lockdown. jackie is involved with one that connects carers across the uk for meet ups, where carers can have a cuppa and get things off their chest. it's hard because there is no—one to tap us on the shoulder and say you did good. it's all virtual. it doesn't mean the same thing as having a hug. i miss hugs.|j it doesn't mean the same thing as having a hug. i miss hugs. i miss hugs. me too. for me, it's a lifeline. four o'clock, i'm like, what do i do? and i am literally picking up the phone and seeing who is available to talk to me. they're almost 9 million unpaid carers in the country and charities say their workloads have increased during lockdown. over 70 cents per does make 70% of people that they're doing ten hours extra per week before the coronavirus process. everybody is taking on more things like bathing but also medical things, doing injections, changing dressings. so it isn'tjust looking after someone and doing their shopping and feeding them, it is much, much more complex than that and carers are fearful of burnout. it's how much longer the lockdown will continue, sofa jackie, these meet ups will be her only respite. alice porter, bbc news. —— so, for jackie. if you're old enough to remember the live aid concert of 1985, you'll know that one of the highlights of that day was the band queen performing we are the champions. such a brilliant moment. now that track has been re—released to help victims of covid—19 around the world. this time it's sung by the band's new frontman, adam lambert, who we'll speak to in a moment, and the lyrics has been given a slight twist. # you are the champions, my friends... # and you will keep on fighting incivility and —— keep on fighting until slbm. # you the champions, you are the champions! no time for losers, because you are the champions... of the world! adam lambert joins us now from los angeles. adam, thank you, what a turn. it must have been so much fun to rerelease it? yeah, and to change that lyric, which is so iconic, to change it to "you", for the people on the front line putting the lives on the front line putting the lives on the front line putting the lives on the line every day of this fight, we we re very on the line every day of this fight, we were very excited to get behind this cause. obviously at the start of the clip we showed we saw roger taylor's daughter who is an energetic doctor. yeah. was an inspiration for the lyrics when you quys inspiration for the lyrics when you guys talk about this? —— an nhs doctor. i think that was an afterthought. roger said hey, doctor. i think that was an afterthought. rogersaid hey, let's put rory in. how does she feel about it? from what i heard, she was really proud to be part of the video. it's unbelievable to me, the bravery with which everybody is at the front line, displaying for this thing. i mean, it's unbelievable. i think that, you know, in the human spirit and the unity we are all kind of being forced to experience right now is really the one thing that is getting us through this. how you coping with lockdown where you are? what is it like? i'm at home in la. have a dog. luckily, i have two friends that were staying here while they were relocating from new york right before this lockdown started. so, when everything kind of went into quarantine, i said, you so, when everything kind of went into quarantine, isaid, you know what, why don't you just stay here? it has been a blessing to have them both here, i have people around me, i'm not totally isolated. i'm very lucky. do we get to see the dog? because we were just talking about backgrounds. he would start barking. he is downstairs was that if a leaf fall is in front of the door, hugh will bark. he is doing his job, as he thinks. how is music being created in your world, in terms of lockdown? well, with this you are the champions situation, it was very interesting. brian was on a streak of putting covers up on his instagram stop so he had done a we are the champions cover and then roger change in and we added his drum parts to it. they sent it to me and said hey, let's change the lyrics and make this a dedication. they just saying it lyrics and make this a dedication. theyjust saying it in my office to a blank white wild, which you know, i had to carefully imagine what it feels like to be on stage with roger all over the world and saying that. i also took a second to put my hands in —— put myself finishes are people fighting this virus what would they need to hear to feel strong and appreciated and that they could fight another day? and we are the champions is a song everyone knows, the lyrics are about overcoming obstacles, it's about banding together, community, it's the perfect anthem for its time. it's interesting you are imagining being on stage, because you announced a tour of some shows in september. do you have any idea if they are going to happen? what is the planning when it comes to that? well, with queen, we we re it comes to that? well, with queen, we were meant to be doing a summer tour of europe, we would be at the 02 tour of europe, we would be at the o2 arena for ten shows. all of that has been moved a whole year from now, so, hopefully we will keep that as intact as possible, the rousing of all of the different cities. myself, i was supposed to do some solo touring after that. everything is sorted up in the air and i'm fine, iwant is sorted up in the air and i'm fine, i want everyone's health and safety to come first, but when things do get settled and we are safe and healthy again, people are going to want to party and come and watch some great music. so i'm looking forward to those days!|j think you are right. it's lovely talking to you, adam. thanks for taking time out in los angeles to talk to us. thank you, so much, my pleasure. he seems in good spirits. how fortuitous having friends come over to stay and have company during lockdown? it's 6:27am. let's take a look at the weather. hello, sarah. i'm very well, thank you. good morning. many people are waking up two scenes a bit like this one this morning with lots of beautiful rainbows out there this morning. we had lots yesterday as well, so if that real mix of sunshine and some heavy showers giving us all of these members at the moment. the perfect recipe for more of them today as well. some heavy showers and hail today. heavy pressure is still with us, gradually moving towards the east but it has brought unsettled weather over the past couple of days and we have further showers rotating around that area of low pressure today. so, we started with plenty of heavy downpours. in the south—east, heavy downpours. in the south—east, heavy showers and downpours around the english channel, they will tend to fade away, drying up for southern england and wales. plenty of showers that will be happy across northern england, central and southern scotland, it is here we most likely to see those thunderstorms. there we re to see those thunderstorms. there were showers across parts of scotla nd were showers across parts of scotland and temperatures today are a few warmer than recent days, so that 11- 16 a few warmer than recent days, so that 11— 16 degrees this afternoon. as we head into this evening and overnight the showers will gradually start to ease away but one or two heavier ones will continue overnight. so you could hear the odd rumble of thunder for north—east england, scotland as well. clear skies and lighter winds further south but temperatures still generally about 4—8d, so a frost—free start to your weekend. how about the weekend, then? things are going to be gradually drying up and improving for many of us weather—wise, a weekend of sunny spells, it will be less blustery thanit spells, it will be less blustery than it has been over recent days. there one or two showers on the cards, or parts of northern eastern and scotland, north—east england as well, on saturday you are likely to see those hours. elsewhere, a lot of dry weather, a lot sky to be enjoyed across our gardens or out on your daily exercise. the cloud will increase from the south—west later on in the afternoon. but, to purchase tomorrow will probably be a little bit warmer, so about 15 or 16 degrees for most of us. a little bit cooler for northern and eastern parts of scotland, and a similar picture for sunday as well. a bit of a northerly breeze bringing cloud and a few showers northern scotland into the north—east of england as well and a bit more cloud for sunday, encroaching from the south—west. so we could see a shower from the far south—west, too, but the most of us a largely dre, less blustery than it has been an warmer to —— blustery than it has been an warmer to——a blustery than it has been an warmer to —— a largely dry day. as we look ahead into next week, high pressure sta rts ahead into next week, high pressure starts to build, so we're losing all of those heavy showers that have been with us for the past couple of days. sunny spells, quite a lot of dry and reasonably warm weather, but you will notice things into next week turning a little bit around the east coast so a breeze coming in from the east but generally quite a lot of dry unsettled weather to be looking forward to as we head on into next week. thank you very much! hello. this is breakfast with charlie stayt and naga munchetty. it's we'll bring you all the latest news and sport in a moment but also on breakfast this morning... another day on the frontline. we'll bring you the video diary of a police officer trying to keep order during the lockdown. you are husband and wife. ladies and gentlemen, the bride and zoom. we'll talk to the newlywed couple, who got married via a video conference call. also this morning... we'll meet the woman, who went to a ve day street party in 1945, and now finds herself on a new royal mail stamp. good morning. here's a summary of today's main stories from bbc news. the prime minister borisjohnson says the uk has "past the peak" of coronavirus and can see light at the end of the tunnel. in his first daily briefing since he recovered with covid—19, mrjohnson promised to reveal a detailed plan next week for how the government will ease the restrictions. he said facemasks will bea restrictions. he said facemasks will be a useful part of the strategy. most people in the uk would not want to go out, even if the government officially ends the lockdown soon, according to a new survey. 60% of those asked said they would be uncomfortable about going to bars and restaurants or using public transport. and more than 40% would still be reluctant to go shopping or send their children to school, according to the poll by ipsos mori. us president donald trump says he's seen evidence that suggests coronavirus originated in a chinese laboratory. his claim — made in a press briefing overnight — contradicts a statement by his country's own intelligence agencies, which said that covid—19 was not man—made. china has rejected the laboratory theory and criticised the us response to the pandemic. victims of domestic abuse can seek help at all boots pharmacies across the uk from today. consultation rooms will be used as safe spaces, where victims will be put in touch with specialist services. it's time now for us to explore the latest coronavirus developments and see how you are dealing with your medical issues with the help of a gp. today we can say hello to dr amir khan, who is in bradford. how are you? not bad, charlie, to be fair. iam how are you? not bad, charlie, to be fair. i am getting ready to go to work but thank you for asking. work sta rts work but thank you for asking. work starts when? i will leave soon after this interview. we are working very differently now. we took quite a bit when we talk to doctors about things they are getting questions about and what is concerning people. yesterday, in borisjohnson's press conference, the crossover between the political announcements and medical announcements, scientific announcement is interesting. yesterday he talked about face coverings. what he said was face coverings. what he said was face coverings will be useful more next week. are you getting many people asking you about this? facemasks or any kind of face covering? we are being asked all the time by patients if they go out, should they be wearing a face mask? evidence suggests facemasks are beneficial, if you are wearing them you are protecting others against your bags. if you cough or sneeze it prevents other people from getting it. —— bugs. it is not adequate protection for you, preventing bugs from getting into you and it is not instead of things like social isolation and hand washing. if people do all of these things together, you are protecting others. surgical masks, medical masks should be reserved for those on the front—line, key workers. there are lots of videos people can watch on how to make their own masks at home using pieces of fabric and kitchen paper. we are familiar with the situation regarding key workers. what may change next week is a new dried about the economy, trying to get the economy moving. —— a new drive. face coverings are almost certain to be part of that equation. there will be many questions about that. there will be. it will be hard to get everybody up to speed with that and everybody wearing a mask because not everyone will have a mask. i have seen films are people in germany of people who are handing out masks to the general public. i do not know if we have enough in the uk to do that but that may be considered. i do think masks in the workplace will become normal when we start to go back to work. the prime minister referenced this directly, it is partly about confidence. there area it is partly about confidence. there are a lot of anxious people. one of your areas of interest is mental health and how that is being affected during the crisis. there has been a lot of talk around mental health. people will be anxious. we have been told to stay indoors for quite a while. we have been told how dangerous the virus is. we understand we're over the peak and thatis understand we're over the peak and that is great news. it will be a real shift for a lot of people to hear they can go outside in certain circumstances, being very cautious. what i am seeing a lot of now over the last few weeks, i have a lot of patients who are key workers, where they work in supermarkets, postal workers, that kind of thing. we talked a lot about mental health for people at home in lockdown of the best way to address that. what has been lacking is the mental health of key workers. i am getting a lot of calls from patients who are worried about mental health, who are already in work, on the front line, doing key jobs in work, on the front line, doing keyjobs and how in work, on the front line, doing key jobs and how stressful in work, on the front line, doing keyjobs and how stressful it is for them. we have to bear that in mind when others start to go back to work, it will be very stressful for them as well. there have been real concerns for people in care homes now. those figures are part of the bigger picture now. you do some of your practice in care homes. there must be additional problems related to that kind of work. for weeks, we have been seeing the devastating effect that coronavirus has had on our care homes. i had been into care homes as a gp where coronavirus has ravaged the residents. sadly, what generally happens, an elderly person goes into hospitalfor something which may be coronavirus related or it may not be but they are tested positive for coronavirus and sent back to the care homes and it spreads. has been the hardest part of myjob over the last three months. i have looked after these patients full ten years. i expect some of them to get poorly that this is very different and their numbers are something like i have never seen before. i am doing a lot of virtual walk crowns but i am going in there as well. —— walk rounds. the hardest pa rt as well. —— walk rounds. the hardest part is telling relatives that their loved one has coronavirus. i'm having to do that over the phone, which is not really how we would ever do something like that. it has been really hard. i had talked about mental health and talked to my collea g u es mental health and talked to my colleagues about how they are making those calls and seeing people dying and everyone is feeling the effect of those kinds of calls where i work. this is such an important area. when you lose a loved one, you will have spent your whole career doing this, getting people very bad news sometimes, the fact he can be with them and read body language, it makes a huge difference, doesn't it? 0ut makes a huge difference, doesn't it? out of necessity, it is taken out of your hands. you cannot do it like that. throughout medical school, throughout my early years as a doctor, you are taught how to deliver bad news. it is always face to face. i had done it in a&e, in my ca re of to face. i had done it in a&e, in my care of the elderlyjobs in hospital, in nursing homes and it is all about the nuances of the conversation, reading body language. might need a hand held, they might need an arm around them and we deliver that gently. there are lots of warning shots before we deliver the news was that we cannot gauge the news was that we cannot gauge the reaction is enough to break that news as we wait. it is hard for them and not ideal for anyone news as we wait. it is hard for them and not idealfor anyone really. like i say, it has been a really tough part of the job recently. thank you forjoining us once again. good luck with the day that lies ahead. we will speak again in the near future. we are going to talk about sport now and obviously coronavirus impacting us and obviously coronavirus impacting us all. there has been so much chatter from football fans, sports fa ns chatter from football fans, sports fans all around the world who want to see big games, big events back on the screen, even if they had to be played behind closed doors. that is not to say the players do not see any risk in going back, especially in the more active cardiovascular games. that is the big news this morning. sergio aguero has said he and his team—mates are feeling apprehensive and scared about the season we're starting because of the risk to families. it raises really big question ahead of the two macrobid meetings today. the whole question of whether to try and start the season again, is certainly dividing opinion, and is the biggest dilemna facing the premer league, in its history. plenty then for the clubs to wrestle with when they meet via video call later today, while medical officers from various sports are also meeting with the government to discuss what might be feasible. austin halewood reports. it has been seven weeks since a premier league ground looked like this. now organisers are keen to get the season back up and running behind closed doors on the 8th of june but are the players on board? the manchester city striker sergio aguero told argentinian media that the majority of players are scared to return because they have children and families and he is not the only one who is worried. it would be hindering ourselves with certain things, like face masks and things, it's going to be off—putting. it's not going to be natural. it's quite farcical. i understand why people are desperate to get football on, i am one of those people, i'm desperate but i think it's got to be done in a sensible way. there is also concern about the availability of testing and whether a return will place unnecessary extra pressure on public services. with liverpool on the brink of a first title in 30 years, even the city's own mayor is not keen on a restart. i would guess that a lot people would turn up outside anfield to celebrate and i can understand the police's concerns around that, even if it was at a neutral venue. it would be really difficult for the police to keep people apart and maintain social distancing, so i think it is a nonstarter. the club though have to distance themselves from that point of view and the government thinks a restart would give the country a much—needed boost, while the league's organisers know the huge financial implications of not restarting. they'd have to pay three quarters of a billion pounds back to rights holders. with other competitions around europe already cancelled, the government and the premier league know whatever move they make next, they will have to get it right. we are not expecting any announcements today. it's an ongoing process and cricket's medical officers are also involved in the project restart discussions today. cricket‘s new 100 competition has been postponed, as we predicted yesterday, it will now be launched next year. rugby league in the uk, has been given a chunk of government money to keep it going through the pandemic. £16 million have been given to the rugby football union, as an emergency loan. they say it'll secure the immediate future of the sport with next year's home world cup to plan for. and finally, andy murray has another title to his name — not quite the same level of blood, sweat and tears. however, to achieve this one, as he won the virtual madrid 0pen. but he showed plenty of emotion — those murray facial expressions, as he beat belguim's davide goffin, in the final on a tie break. it obviously means something to him by the way he celebrates. virtual madrid open champion, andy murray. 0ne madrid open champion, andy murray. one thing, it does keep players together and gets people interacting over the web, having rivalry that they must be missing. yes, they are obviously missing it. i wonder, mike, fitness levels. i wonder if fitness levels will be the same when all sports people return to work because they are restricted. i know we saw some football training pictures. a lot of people have said this. i do a little run every day, five kilometres, not as much as i would normally do. if you are playing virtual games at home, you might get mentalist stimulation and social interaction but physically cannot be the same. —— mental stimulation. many people say they feel less fit than before the lockdown. i caught a glimpse of mike busheu lockdown. i caught a glimpse of mike bushell jogging lockdown. i caught a glimpse of mike bushelljogging yesterday lockdown. i caught a glimpse of mike bushell jogging yesterday very briefly. you are going like the wind. idid briefly. you are going like the wind. i did a personal best, five kilometres. i think we are competing against ourselves in lockdown, which is interesting. there are so many things you can do at home. turn your lounge into a gym, a playground. there is a brilliant picture of matt whitlock standing on one leg on the sofa. so much to do to keep fit. i am impressed you are running each day. even if the last few weeks have been a bit of blur, with weekdays and weekends merging into one, you can probably remember exactly where you were for the last six thursday evenings at eight o'clock. last night, once again, millions of us took to our doorsteps, windows and balconies to applaud our nhs staff and other key workers. adam mcclean reports. every week, everywhere, it is the moment a country says thank you. families and neighbours briefly stepping outside to let carers knowjust how much they are valued. this is what thursday evening has become, a chance to stand distant yet together. as captain tom's family celebrated the first day of his second century, applause filled the streets of his village, the home of a £33 million fundraiser for the nhs. here on the wirral, families stood in the streets to show their appreciation for those who choose to care. it is great, you get people with their pots and pans and it is people that you've never even seen before. i think, just the modern way is that you don't speak to your neighbours, so it is nice to see people's faces, even if they've got a big pan or a spoon in their hand. 8pm, my daughter is asking me, "can we go out and clap? can we go out and clap?" she almost asks every night if she can do it. it's such an exciting thing for her to do and she understands why we are doing it as well. this is now a familiarfixture — the silence on our streets broken as an entire country claps for its carers. the towns, villages and cities across the uk joining in a remarkable applause. i think it is very emotional. we have a care home at the back here and they change shifts at eight o'clock and so the carers are actually coming out at eight o'clock to change shifts with the carers that are going in and they all clap each other, and they say thank you to us for clapping. it's just amazing. ijust think they are amazing people. and for carers themselves, it is a moment to reflect. it is very loud here, everybody is out the windows, shouting, cheering, clapping. it is such a proud moment. your heart isjust bursting with emotion and things. it is great. the pandemic has revealed so many helpers in our communities and from front—line workers to those whose lives depend on them, this is just what we do at eight o'clock on thursdays. the aviation industry is really suffering at the moment, and now they have another issue to deal with, as the government considers imposing quarantine measures on new arrivals. sean has more. shown is interviewing someone from the aviation industry in an hour. good morning. good morning. we've had so much this week from that industry alone. 0ne had so much this week from that industry alone. one question from so many people has been, why aren't there more checks going on at airports with people flying into the uk. we have had the transport secretary now saying that quarantine rules are a live discussion in government, particularly as the numbers get smaller every day. nicola sturgeon has called for health checks on arrival. airport bosses have raised concerns about safety of staff and passengers. and the kebet for them as well is about the kebet for them as well is about the longer term confidence of people's willingness to take flights. that is what we have seen have a ripple effect through the industry. british airways, this week, they have said they are starting plans to lay off 12,000 of its 42,000 staff. we had that news a few days ago. yesterday afternoon we hear from them that actually british airways now questioning whether it will reopen at all at gatwick, where all its flights are suspended at the moment. it may be it suspense all of its flights out of heathrow right now. they've still got some flights coming in and out. then you look at the likes of ryanair, most of its planes grounded, easyjet the same. she had to have plans to start flying again midjune. she had to have plans to start flying again mid june. there is one airline actually. whiz air, a hungarian budget carrier, started operating 15 roots from luton from today. the things they are putting in place, face masks for passengers, extra cleaning being put in place as well. will that satisfied passengers right across the board if we are all able to start flying again? will you give us the confidence? and will airlines be able to make money out of social distancing rules that need to be put in place, keeping us safe and being able to fly their planes? michael 0'leary says if he has to have empty seats on ryanair planes thatis have empty seats on ryanair planes that is not financially viable. somebody else would have to pay for those empty seats otherwise he is not going to be flying. i'm going to be talking to the boss of heathrow airport in an hour. what will it be like for all of us who walk through an airport and want to get on a flgm? an airport and want to get on a flight? is it going to cost more? is the experience going to be drastically different? plenty to get into. this is an industry that is really under pressure right now. into. this is an industry that is really under pressure right nowm certainly is. look forward to that. thank you. policing the streets can be a tough job at the best of times. but patrolling a city when most of its residents should be staying at home, poses a whole new set of challenges. with more than 9,000 fines issued in england and wales for breaking lockdown rules, and reports of anti—social behaviour doubling, one officerfrom devon and cornwall police has been keeping a video diary for us. take a look. police siren sit down! oh, my god! you're not going that way, mate. we're going to disperse you out of the city. stop banging your head! i'm a police sergeant with devon and cornwall police. so here we are, week five of lockdown britain. i'm in exeter. i just wanted to talk about the police's experience of what's been happening the last few weeks. i've just arrived at exeter custody. i've come up here cos a male's been arrested for spitting in a paramedic‘s face. the gentleman's in the cell here with four officers in ppe, after he'd kicked off. he's been restrained for a period of time. he's assaulted a couple of officers, causing injury to them. he's attempted to spit at officers as well as paramedics at the scene. we've had an absolute flood of reports from the public, who are saying there are street attached people, people who are street drinkers, drug takers. we have struggled a little bit because in the law it allows for someone to be homeless and to be out, because obviously they've got nowhere to get back to. but there are, as i've said, lots of people who are housed, who are currently going out every day, congregating in groups, drinking, taking drugs, causing anti—social behaviour, who are really causing a sort of problem. so we've had a report of a group of six people drinking and congregating in an area just down here. so where are you guys off to then? are you going to taser me? i don't want to taser you. are you guys housed somewhere? yes. yes? 0k. right, so you need to be back there, don't you? i need to be at probation. all you guys are doing being out and about is causing more issues for people. it's a problem that increasing the longer the lockdown goes on, because they feel more emboldened to go out and act in a way which intimidates a lot of people, frankly. i wasn't resisting arrested, she had hold of me! how can i be resisting arrest when she had hold of me?! we're taking proactive action as best we can without trying to stigmatise those people or become overzealous, as i know the police have been accused of being recently. so yeah, it's a difficult one really, because the law is quite grey, unfortunately. you're a bully. this shift started with someone spitting in the face of a paramedic. and now it's ended with another emergency service worker being spat out again. now ijust don't understand people, i really don't. yeah, it's been a trying shift. hi, guys. how have you coped with the lockdown so far? it's nice here, to be fair. most people have been absolutely fine. like yourselves. the whole point of it, and ouronly realaim, is to keep people safe. it sounds cliched but it's true. really interesting seeing how they are trying to do the policing work in what they themselves say is a grey area around what people think they should be doing and what they are doing. how frustrating as well. iam are doing. how frustrating as well. i am desperate to be out and hug my friends and socialise but there is a reason we are doing this. it's so frustrating for them when people are just absolutely resistant to helping each other. four minutes to seven. good morning. iam each other. four minutes to seven. good morning. i am going to bring you a rainbow. well, so it is. that's what she does, brings the jov- good morning. good morning. some beautiful rainbows across the uk this morning. this one is enrichment. we have a mix of sunshine out there but also some heavy showers. that recipe for rainbows will continue through the course of the for many. another day of sunshine and heavy showers. the heaviest of these showers will bring thunderstorms, hail and some squally winds at times with those heavy showers. not as windy today as it has been in recent days. low pressure still driving the weather. it is gradually shifting away towards the east. we've still got those showers rotating around this area of low pressure. particularly in the northern half of the uk. heavy showers across parts of southern england first thing. they will ease away. the area is likely to see torrential downpours that they will be across parts of the northern midlands, the northern england and northern ireland. further north across scotland, fewer showers. mostly drive further south. some blue sky and sunshine and temperatures out there warmer than recent days. many on around 13 to 15 degrees. as we move through into this evening and overnight we keep some of those showers. they will ease away. there could be the odd rumble of thunder tonight across north east england. clearer skies and lighter winds towards the south and lighter winds towards the south and south—west. for most of us it will be frost free. temperatures between five to 8 degrees. how is the weekend shaping up? things are gradually improving. the weather was dry out compared to recent days. sunny spells, less windy. still a few showers. not as heavy or thundery as yesterday. the gardens have been grateful for some of that rainfall. into saturday still a few showers on the cards for parts of northern and eastern scotland. the cloud will increase towards the far south—west later. but for most of us we are looking at a dry day with long spells of sunshine and temperatures generally in the mid to high teens through the day on saturday. a similar day on sunday. a few showers dotted about here and there, especially in northern and eastern parts of scotland. cloud increasing from the south—west, the odd shower out of that cloud. temperatures on sunday in the warmer spots up to 18 degrees. typically mid—teens for most. next week high pressure starts to build. a change in the theme to the weather as we head through the first week in may. drier, brighter and warmer, although we do have an easterly breeze that ta kes we do have an easterly breeze that takes the edge off those temperatures towards the east. something drier and brighter on the way. good morning. welcome to breakfast with naga munchetty and charlie stayt. 0ur headlines today... the prime minister says britain is "past the peak" of the outbreak and is promising to set out a plan for gradually lifting the lockdown. he suggests facemasks could play a part when restrictions are eased. face coverings will be useful for epidemiological reasons and getting people confidence in going back to work. the government says it's confident it's met its target of 100,000 coronavirus tests a day by the end of april the future for heathrow. with airlines struggling and quarantine measures for arrivals considered — i'll speak to boss of our busiest airport to see what he wants in place to handle it all. the majority of footballers are scared of returning to action. ahead of two crucial meetings today, manchester city's sergio aguero says players will be worried about returning due to concerns over the health of their families. it's friday the 1st of may. our top story. borisjohnson says the uk is "past the peak" of coronavirus and can see light at the end of the tunnel. promising to reveal detailed plans next week on how his government will lift lockdown restrictions, the prime minister said that facemasks will be a "useful" part of the strategy. 0n today's programme we'll be getting reaction from a professor of global public health and a health psychologist who advises the government. we'll also be speaking to the housing minister, robertjenrick, and hearing from business leaders including the chief executive of heathrow airport. first, danjohnson rounds up the latest developments. for a nation cut off, closed down, hurting... applause. ..this is notjust about gratitude, it has become a regular act of communion, in the name of the carer, the medic, and the vital key worker, kind helping hands that have kept the country on its feet and saved lives. cheering and applause. and here's a reminder that, in the crossfire of coronavirus, heroes can be patients too. you saved my life. west midland police chief superintendent, phil dolby, spent more than two weeks on a ventilator. see ya, bye! now, the next generation training for the front line are being named after the miracle workers of our nhs. also bouncing back, the prime minister, with his own reasons to be thankful and a message of hope... i can confirm today that, for the first time, we are past the peak of this disease. we are past the peak and we are on the downward slope. that may be but hundreds are still dying every day. 674 in the last 24 hours. across the uk, the virus has taken someone special from 26,771 families. more 15,000 people are in hospital, trying to shake it off. so it is still too early to lift the lockdown. the infection rate and the number of people each of us passes the virus to must stay below one. more detail on that next week, but here is a hint of what our future may hold... face coverings will be useful both for epidemiological reasons but also for giving confidence to people that they can go get back to work. testing numbers have dobbed the government's response. and we'll find out later today whether the 100,000 was met. wednesday's latest figures were still 18,000 short. at the beginning of the week, we only had 5000 home tests available, this is now 20,000 available and it is the reason why we are quite likely to get very close to or meet the 100,000 target. 0ur worries and our strife are shared in this new expression of community. thursday, eight o'clock, is about togetherness, through torrid times. humanity‘s challenge means more pain, more suffering and more fear but, as nature inflicts its worst, it can reflect our very best, and there are signs of better days ahead. dan johnson, bbc news. the information that came out of the press co nfe re nce conference yesterday. there was quite a lot of new information coming out of the press conference. boris johnson's ability to say we're past the peak of the virus was a moment. we had ministers talking about passing through the peak but it was a moment to say we are past it was a moment to say we are past it was a moment to say we are past it was that does not mean people are not still transmitting the virus, falling seriously ill in and sadly in some cases still dying from the virus but it does mean that government can start to think about how to control it in the next phase beyond the blunt lockdown measures we have now. we heard from boris johnson he will be setting out more detail on the exit strategy next week. labour has been pushing for this. he will set out a menu of options about how the future will look. he made reference to face masks. until recently ministers talked about the evidence are not being mixed, they are studying evidence given to them by scientists. the message is, it is not clear whether they have that much impact and it can give people a false sense of confidence. interesting to hear borisjohnson saying that will give people confidence in getting back to work. evenif confidence in getting back to work. even if the data and information about how widely the viruses transmitting says it is safe to release some of the lockdown measures, they were hard to stop persuading people it is safe to get back to some sort of sense of normality. —— to start. us president donald trump says he's seen evidence that suggests coronavirus originated in a chinese laboratory. his claim — made in a press briefing overnight — contradicts a statement by his country's own intelligence agencies, which said that covid—19 was not man—made. david willis reports. the p4 pathogen lab at wuhan's institute of virology. did the deadly coronavirus emanate from here? china strenuously denies such suggestions. the president of the united states believes otherwise. mr trump says he seen evidence linking the virus to the lab, although he wouldn't be drawn on what that evidence consisted of. he told reporters either china couldn't stop the virus from spreading, or it didn't try to. this is something that could have been contained at the original location, and i think it could have been contained relatively easily. china is a very sophisticated country and they could have contained it. they were either unable to or they chose not to and the world is suffering greatly. whilst laying to rest one of the more extreme conspiracy theories surrounding the virus, that it was man—made and unleashed as a biological weapon, the us intelligence community didn't contradict the president's theory, saying: this country has already seen more cases of the coronavirus than anywhere else in the world, overa million, and more than 60,000 deaths. the virus has also devastated what was once a booming economy, leading to long lines in cities such as houston, as people queue for free food. although he's avoided direct criticism of china's president xi, with whom he's maintained cordial relations, president trump has talked of making china pay for the harm the virus has caused to the american economy and, by extension, to his chances of re—election. relations between the world's two largest economies could get very frosty indeed. david willis, bbc news. earlier we spoke to our china correspondent stephen mcdonell about how the authorities there have reacted to president trump's allegations. todayis today is a public holiday in china and now foreign ministry briefing. we have been in touch with them, trying to get a statement out from them. we will bring that to you if and when we get it. the interesting thing here about comments from us intelligence agencies that the coronavirus was not man—made in a lab, we are having a situation where chinese nationalists are kind of celebrating that but if it is not man man—made, it also poses a problem for their conspiracy theory that it was a us bio weapon made in the lab. i guess it is sort of putting a stick in the spokes of conspiracy theorists around the world claiming this is some sort of bio weapon, that it was man—made and it got out. i am looking at the life and traffic flowing behind you. i have not spoken to you for a little while. what is the picture regarding china returning to any kind of normality? big changes in beijing in the last day or so. we were so used to coronavirus lockdown life, it is alarming how quick it happened. these masks, i do not have to wear in public any more but i had it in my pocket. in a building you are still supposed to wear one. in a park, outdoors, the beijing government is saying no need for a mask. no more quarantine for internal travel arriving in beijing, except for these hotspots. also you can go to visit a family member if they live in a different housing compound. that also prohibited. all this information off the back that a meeting of the people's national congress will be held in may. today isa congress will be held in may. today is a public holiday. the transport ministry is expecting 170 million trips. that sounds like a lot but actually only a third of how many trips there were for this holiday last year. it shows people are getting out and about any increase in numbers but there is still cautioning china as to how safe it is. most of the trips are people travelling nearby, maybe to a smaller city near where they live or something like that, not getting on planes and getting across the country in massive numbers. recycling in parts of england may be able to take their extra rubbish to their local tip this weekend. some areas have reported a rise in fly—tipping since the coronavirus restrictions came into force, prompting a government plea to council to reopen them. but some councils have said further measures are needed before refuse sites reopen. wizz air is to resume some flights from luton airport starting today. destinations will include the canary islands, hungary, israel and portugal. the airline says enhanced health and safety measures will be in place, and the cabin crew will be required to wear masks and gloves on all flights. i should actually say on the topic of the aviation industry, sean will be talking to the head of heathrow airport at 7:50am. we as speaking to the communities minister, the housing minister later. 0ne the communities minister, the housing minister later. one of the areas of interest is in relation to the construction industry. we know there may be a drive on thursday next week in connection with the economy, trying to get more people back to work. if you have specific questions, if you are in the building industry, go back into the workplace and let us know. robert jenrick speaking to us at 7:30am. we've had to start using a whole host of new words and phrases recently — from "herd immunity" to "self—isolation" and "ppe". the latest one you'll be hearing a lot over the coming weeks and months is the "r—rate", which is the measurement of how rapidly covid—19 is either spreading or dwindling. so how does it work? well, if the rate is one, that means anybody infected is only passing to one other person, so things are stable. but anything above one means the outbreak accelerates. so if the rate is two, each infected person is passing it on to two others. get to a rate of three and things are even worse — that's where we were a month ago. at the moment its estimated the rate is between 0.6 and 0.9 — that's crucially below the line of one person infecting only one other. it's estimated by imperial college that re—opening schools could add about 0.2, but nobody can be sure. allowing public gatherings again might add 0.5 — that would take us above the line of one. and scientists say that relaxing the lockdown entirely would add two to the rate — taking us right back to the worst of the outbreak. which is why that will probably only happen in careful stages. let's explore this further with tom solomon, who's a frontline doctor and also director of the uk's emerging infections research unit. we're alsojoined by devi shridhar, who's chair of global public health at edinburgh university. good morning to both. debbie, first of all, we heard in the press conference yesterday from boris johnson those words, past the peak. can you give us a sense of what that means in layman's terms? well, guess what he's referring to is that the uk, looking at the data so far, hope that we are past any increase in daily deaths and daily new infections. so the fear now, and this is why there is such concern, our number is about increasing again because we don't want to relax these measures and people go back to some kind of daily life, and then actually we see it creeping up, daily new cases, which means we have to lock down again at some point. nhs capacity would be breached. on the r rate, and we are all on the learning curve, what are the critical factors there that will be most relevant to whether it stays, increases or drops? well, we have seen actually that the waves bring it under one, which is essential to ensure we don't have exponential growth. it is strict measures that allow us to stay one. one potential way to do is to have a test, trace and isolate strategy, isolating those who are invited from the general population rather than a general population rather than a general quarantine. right now there is modelling being done looking at potential scenarios. all these are estimates. expert guesses are what opening measures could look like in terms of that value. tom, let's pick up terms of that value. tom, let's pick up on that. the term is used there we re up on that. the term is used there were modelling, looking at modelling, estimates, expert guesses. where are we learning from, what are we looking at, what is science looking at in terms of what is happening around the world, to effectively keep that r rate at one or below? well, you have to remember this is still a new virus. we only first heard about it at the end of december. everything is new. we do have experience from other outbreaks. and we know that, for example, with this virus at its worst, the r rate was about three. so for every one person infected they would in fact three. those three would then infect another three, which gives you nine and so on. you can see how the outbreak grew very quickly. now we have got this number below one, so that means one person will, on average, in fact less than one person, which means the outbreak is coming down. that is what we are seeing. what we have learned is that of the way that we have got this r rate down, the way we have got it under control, was by social isolation. if everybody sits alone at home there aren't many people they will pass it onto. the critical question now is how do we ease some of these restrictions while still keeping this below one? i think the kind of things that will happen is that we will perhaps allow the schools to open up a bit more. we have shown that within food stores, supermarkets, people can visit fees and keep isolated, keep two metres apart. and i imagine some of those measures will then be used in other shops and other workplaces. so we are using what we have learnt to give the outbreak under control while also easing some of the restrictions. yesterday we heard in the press conference at downing street boris johnson the press conference at downing street borisjohnson laying out the ground work, i suppose, and suggestions of what easing restrictions could involve and face coverings were mentioned. how effective would have those be and where? where would they need to be more? well, the evidence on masks is very finely balanced. clearly if they had a big impact then everybody would be told to wear them all the time. it seems there is a small impact. if they are worn by somebody who is infected and they are coughing and spluttering, it stops them passing the virus on to so many other people. that is the only solid evidence. but i think there is also a feeling that there's probably no harm in others wearing the mask if they find it reassuring. i don't think there will be any strong legislation to say you have to wear masks because the evidence isn't there at the moment. the other thing i would come back to is, we talked about what measures might help us out of the lockdown. 0ne about what measures might help us out of the lockdown. one of the exciting thing is, if we can get it to work, is this idea that we will use bluetooth technologies in phones so use bluetooth technologies in phones so that people can enable their phones with an app. they will let you know during the day who you have come into contact with. if somebody discovers they have been infected with the virus, they will be able to send a message automatically to everyone who has been in near them, without actually, no names, nobody... all you will know is that you get a message that says some time during the day you may have been close to somebody who has been positive. that is a trigger for me to get tested. those technologies in other countries have proved really effective, especially in asia. if we can get something like that working here, that would be really useful. professor, i saw you nodding in relation to facemasks. also, a number of reports about how children do not transmit the virus. there has been quite a lot of research into this. it becomes more relevant now as we are expecting some sort of development in connection with how schools may reopen. no dates, of course. what is the evidence there and how might facemasks play into that? yeah, so children have been one of the areas there's been a lot of interest in. there was a large study out yesterday from germany that children can the virus. i think there is generally a consensus that there is generally a consensus that the children, there are questions about whether they can carry the virus, they can. the next question is, are they setting enough of it to infect other people? it seems like they are, at least from looking at contact tracing, which is going back and seeing who could have been infected by others, they found very few cases of actually children infecting adults. this of course plays an important decision in schools because we have seen the effects on children are quite small. they generally have mild symptoms. they generally have mild symptoms. they run the risk of infecting their pa rents, they run the risk of infecting their parents, their teachers, the educational community. this is a crucial question to nail down. the cost of getting it wrong is very high. i cost of getting it wrong is very high. i think it's very smart right now to be cautious, it's a new virus, we don't fully understand everything about it. just to kind of get absolute, probably not absolute certainty, but as close as we can to a good not feeling about how much reopening schools could affect this r rate. it would be no good reopening schools and seeing an increase in cases and having to take more drastic measures to pull back. listening to debbie there, we are hearing that switzerland has said its children under ten can safely hug their grandparents. now we're very mindful here on bbc breakfast of following the advice the government is laying out and the science is telling us as well. but any grandparents and grandchildren hearing that today, they'd be encouraged by that, is that right? well, i think there are different data suggesting different things. 0ur data suggesting different things. our approach is to be cautious until we know things are absolutely safe. as debbie was saying, there are new studies coming out about the children's role in becoming infected and passing the virus on. at this stage it is not completely clear that it stage it is not completely clear thatitis stage it is not completely clear that it is safe for children to hug their grandparents. so for that reason my children will be staying away from their grandparents until we know otherwise. but it has been a fascinating time in many ways. there's so much data coming out. there's so much data coming out. there's so much interest from the public in the science, which is a positive thing. i would never have imagined in my career that we would end up discussing the r rate on bbc breakfast. this means people are trying to understand and get a better understanding of the science behind some of the decisions which are made. these are difficult and nuanced decisions. i think it's helpful for people to understand how tough some of the decisions are. thank you very much. i am sure we will talk again another day. thank you. 24 minutes past seven. thank you. 24 minutes past seven. thank you forjoining us. around 70,000 babies have been born in the uk since the lockdown began nearly six weeks ago. and while bringing a child into the world should be a moment ofjoy, the shadow of covid—19 has loomed large. keeley donovan has been speaking to new parents about their experiences. born into a changed world. babies bria, nelly and hope. the happiest of moments at the most difficult of times. currently, pregnant women in the uk are allowed one birthing partner in the labour suite with them, provided they are not showing any symptoms. we first met clare on bbc breakfast a month ago. she is part of the mums and bumps club we are following for the next few months. she had planned for her mum to be her birthing partner because her mum is vulnerable, she has had to self—isolate. claire was induced earlier than planned and gave birth to little eliana by emergency c—section. she was without her family but in good hands. it was scary but also i think there was a sense of everyone is trying to do their best and you kind of want to be in and out as quick as possible. everything really i was focusing on was about whatever is the safest for me and her. i feel more for my parents because i think they struggle more than i do because i get to hold her at the end of the day. these are special moments that families everywhere are missing out on. this is how matt's parents met baby 0shen for the first time. it has been really difficult, we both have big families. it has been really hard. we've got lots of friends as well we have not been able to see. it has been really difficult. it is obviously a really emotional time for new parents and nothing is going to replace face—to—face contact but there are lots of virtual alternatives. this morning i am joining a new bumps and babies class, set up by midwife louise. louise, why is it important to have sessions online like this when new parents cannot meet face to face at the moment? what is really important both before and after you have had your baby is some sort of continuity and a feeling that you are not necessarily going through this alone. all these electronic things have just been a godsend. while critical checks on newborns in the uk are continuing, maternity services are offering a combination of face to face and remote postnatal follow—ups, according to the woman and baby's needs. it is nice that not everything about lockdown has been negative for these new parents. i went into hospital and i had the most amazing experience in hospital. they just went above and beyond. it has been lovely because andy has been off work. we have been together six weeks now. having a nice family unit because we will never get this time all together again. babies will continue to be born in lockdown and while, for now, they must wait to see grandparents, extended family and friends, we will have stories too to tell our little ones about their moment in history. keeley donovan reporting. here's sarah with a look at this morning's weather. anyone looking out their windows yesterday, there were a lot of rainbows, where there not? loads of rainbows, where there not? loads of rainbows around yesterday. many of them came out just rainbows around yesterday. many of them came outjust in time for the cla p them came outjust in time for the clap for carers at eight o'clock. they will be lots more rainbows out there today. we have got that classic makes of some sunshine and some really heavy showers. these quys some really heavy showers. these guys a little bit like this producing those rainbows. heavy showers. some thunderstorms. we are likely to see hail, lightning and some squally winds, similar to what we had yesterday but fewer showers, especially in the south. low pressure still with us. it is slowly going to be easing a way towards the east. higher pressure is gradually going to be building. showers easing away in the next couple of days. heavy showers across the board. the ones in the south are tending to ease away. the most frequent showers will be across parts of northern england, central and southern scotla nd england, central and southern scotland and northern ireland as well. some drier conditions in the far north of scotland and further south across england as well. temperatures today warmer than they have been in recent days. around about 11 to 16 degrees. still some gusty winds. not as windy in the south as it has been recently. into this evening and tonight we keep some of those showers that will eventually ease. they could be the odd rumble of thunder especially in eastern england, northern and eastern england, northern and eastern scotland. clearer skies and lighter winds further south. for most, a frost free night. temperatures between five and 8 degrees on saturday morning. the weekend will be gradually drying out. a lot of dry weather with sunny spells, less windy, still some showers. the areas most likely to see the showers on saturday and sunday are across northern and eastern scotland to the far north—east of england as well. most other parts of the uk seeing quite a bit of bright weather. not as windy as it has been and a little bit warmer with temperatures in the mid to high teens. it well. thank you. see you later. just a reminder in a few minutes we are going to be talking to robertjenrick from the government, the communities housing secretary. we will get your thoughts to him as well. the construction industry in the latest announcements from the government. back in a short while. hello. this is breakfast with charlie stayt and naga munchetty. the prime minister borisjohnson says the uk is "past the peak" of coronavirus and can see light at the end of the tunnel. in his first daily briefing since he recovered from covid—19, mrjohnson promised to reveal a detailed plan next week for how the government will ease the current restrictions. he said that face coverings will be a "useful" part of the strategy. we can speak now to robertjenrick, the housing, communities and local government secretary. he joins us from westminster. plenty to get through this morning. if we can start with testing figures i know we had been talking about fa lsetto i know we had been talking about falsetto long. yesterday was a key day, there pledged to reach the 100,000 figure of tests. what can you tell us? i do not have the figures that matt hancock will be announcing today. it looks like we will meet the target or come close. we will have significantly increased the number of tests from 2000 at the end of february, 210,000 at the end of march, to either 100,000 at the end of april or close to it. it is an important stepping stone, a stepping stone to more. we had built the beginnings of the network we we re the beginnings of the network we were in need of testing, tracking and tracing for the next phase of fighting the virus. we have laboratories across the country producing equipment at pace and we are beginning to test essential workers, nhs workers, residents in ca re workers, nhs workers, residents in care homes, including those who are asymptomatic and others across the country. most local government workers now can apply for the test. a lot of progress achieved and, in that sense, setting a challenging target was the right thing to do because it galvanised government and got thejob done because it galvanised government and got the job done but there is a lot more to be done and we need to increase that figure, whether it is 100,000 or thereabouts, much higher in the days and weeks to come. number of significant things emerged yesterday from the press conference with borisjohnson. yesterday from the press conference with boris johnson. he yesterday from the press conference with borisjohnson. he used the phrase, we are past the peak and talked about practical measures we had not heard before. borisjohnson said on face coverings, he said face coverings will be used more next week which is when we are expecting further announcements. can you give people some indication of what that means in practice? we have taken advice from experts and the prime minister will set out next week but the advices and how it might affect us the advices and how it might affect us in ourdaily the advices and how it might affect us in our daily lives. —— what the advice is. advice in the past is facemasks have only made a modest difference in helping to protect us. it might be useful if you are asymptomatic and do not know if you had symptoms but could still be spreading the virus. the benefits are modest but they might be a way to give people confidence. many are anxious about going out, returning to the workplace in a safe way. they might bea to the workplace in a safe way. they might be a way to give us more confidence to go about our business ina confidence to go about our business in a safe way and that is what we will be setting out next week. clearly something has changed. if people are listening carefully to that and i had a face mask at home today, they might think if it is good on thursday when the announcement comes, why is it not a goodidea announcement comes, why is it not a good idea today? it is a personal choice. if you have a face mask and you want to use them, if you walk around towns and cities today you see more people using them than ever before. the prime minister will set out more detail next week because we are going to bring forward a broader package to explain how the future might look ina package to explain how the future might look in a number of different settings like schools, workplaces, outdoor leisure and high streets that it outdoor leisure and high streets thatitis outdoor leisure and high streets that it is right to bring it together and set out as one piece. the advice today is the difference and face covering makes is quite modest. it does not make a huge difference but it makes sand. it is your choice if you want to use it and it might be a way to give people more confidence as we have passed the peak to encourage people in a very safe way to begin to go back to work, for example, if they cannot work, for example, if they cannot work from home. a couple of these questions specific to the construction industry... 0ne questions specific to the construction industry... one from kate. a construction company building houses behind our house are still working. i thought this was not allowed. there seems to be a grey area about what construction is allowed and what is not allowed. can you clarify for us? absolutely. at the onset of restrictions we said you can go to work. if you can work from home you should do so and you should really try hard to make that work. if you cannot do that, you can go to work. 0bviously, housing construction falls into that category. when you go to out you need to follow social distancing guidelines and the heart of that is trying to stay is trying to stay two metres park, washing your hands and using hand sanitiser. —— apart. we have worked with public health england as to how they can make site safe for people who work in them and we will be doing more of that in other sectors, so more employers and working people can read that and understand how it is safe to return to work. we do want to see housing and construction continue. we think it can be done in most parts safely, not in every case but in most part safely because it is outdoor work and the rate of transmission is much lower outdoors than it is indoors. it is important to keep that work game because it is employing a lot of people and fulfilling a lot of other important things for the country. we live in a country that desperately needs more and good quality housing. we do not want to see all of that coming to an end if it can be done safely and medical advice is that it can be. duncan has beenin advice is that it can be. duncan has been in touch saying that i had noticed various sites in my area that were closed and are working again with no noticeable precautions in place. a lot of people questioning how in practice, on a building site or people working together, how possibly they can work within the guidelines he had talked about and who will make sure they are. if you get to your place of work we are working on a construction site, they are requiring you to write that you are thinking i do not have the right precautions in place, i do not have a mask, did they have the right to walk away? all your usual employment rights are the same. your employer still is the same duty to you to keep you safer make sure the site is operated in accordance with the guidelines. —— safe and make sure. if you have concerns, raise them with your employer. you should not have to work in a setting you feel is unsafe. there is guidance on the government website about how sites can be run safely. we have set out detailed guidance, available online. not every setting is possible to be run and sites will not be run in the same way they were in the past. a lot of things like groundworks, where workers are generally two metres apart, that sort of work can and should continue. can i ask how people are abiding with the restrictions in place at present? i know it is a huge issue. we had been doing work with devon and cornwall police about how they as a force had been trying to deal with people every day. i was not resisting arrest. she had hold of me. they are taking action without trying to stigmatise people of being overzealous. it is difficult really, the law is quite grey, unfortunately. i am not sure if he had that properly. a sergeant saying the law is quite grey. he is trying to enforce the law, approaching people, saying, what are you up to? ina very people, saying, what are you up to? in a very gentle way but there is an issue, isn't there? police forces have had to grapple with something they have never had to deal with the full. we had brought in the measures relatively quickly and they have had to react to it. —— deal with before. they are asking people to comply with the rules and the vast majority of people across the country have done so. sometimes it has taken time. you saw at the beginning of the emergency lots of people congregated in parks. that led to some parks being closed. all bar a handful of parks in the country are open and people are behaving very responsibly. it is a small minority of cases you are referring to. no doubt it is difficult for the police to try and enforce something which is an entirely new way of working and we all feel uncomfortable with it. we do not want to see lockdown continue for a day longer than it needs to. at the moment we can see that it does. we will set out how we can ease it as the rate of transmission. white can you clarify the situation in relation to tips? —— can you clarify? not all will open this weekend. some are now opening. 0thers open this weekend. some are now opening. others will open over the course of the next couple of weeks. there is no reason why you cannot travel to a tip to put household waste there or do we cycling. council should have confidence to reopen them as soon as possible. —— do recycling. we have spoken to the police and made them aware this is perfectly legal and people could be going out for those journeys. perfectly legal and people could be going out for thosejourneys. lots of people have rubbish, recycling and boxes from deliveries people are getting piling up in homes and it is right we manage that make lives bearable by getting out of the house. i encourage councils to get on and plan an orderly reopening of the site. because there will be a lot of demand for some councils will do that in a staged way over a couple of weeks. some councils might ask you to book a time slot and that seems sensible. we do not want to seems sensible. we do not want to see half mile long queues of people trying to get to the tip. the longer we delay it, the longer the keys will be when these sites are reopened. i had two things to tell you. we will be talking to the chief executive of heathrow airport in about eight minutes. also we will be talking to michael 0'leary from ryanair at talking to michael 0'leary from ryanairat 8:20am. talking to michael 0'leary from ryanair at 8:20am. lots of talk about how people get moving again, if and when restrictions are easing. if you want to get moving again, do you want to be playing sport if you area you want to be playing sport if you are a professional sports person? sergio aguero, said he and other players felt a bit scared returning to match action. you have to think about how they go in for crunching tackles if they feel scared. a lot more needs to be done to restart the premier league so they can feel safer. 0n the one hand you have entertainment for the fans and the government has recognised a morale booster could give to the country and the millions of pounds of it raise for the clubs as well but on the other hand you have the issue a player and public welfare. i have had strong views from sergio aguero, who has been speaking to the media in his homeland of argentina. he said the majority of players are scared to return because they have children and families. that is the main concern. he is not the only one raising concerns. we would be hindering ourselves with certain things, like facemasks and things. it is going to be off—putting. it is not going to be natural. people are going to ripping them off in the middle of games, in training. i think it is quite farcical. i understand why people are desperate to get football on, i am one of those people, i am desperate but i think it has got to be done in a sensible way. so, as the premier league pushes on, paris saint germain have already been crowned champions of france. that's after the rest of the football season there was cancelled earlier this week. psg were 12 points clear at the top of the french top flight when the season stopped, and they've dedicated their title "to healthcare staff, and all the everyday heroes on the front line". we are not expecting any announcements today from the premier league web call meeting, or indeed the project restart discussions between medical officers from sports and the government. it's an going process. maybe more next week will become clearer. cricket‘s medical officers are involved in those discussions today. and cricket's new hundred competition has been postponed, as we predicted yesterday, it will now be launched next year. rugby league in the uk, has been given a chunk of government money, to keep it going through the pandemic. £16 million have been given to the rugby football league as an emergency loan. they say it'll secure the immediate future of the sport, with next year's home world cup to plan for. it is a far cry from roland garros or wimbledon, but professional tennis will return in germany today. it's the first in a series of planned exhibition events, and will feature eight players outside the world top 100, but there'll be no spectators, linejudges, ball kids, or handshakes. meanwhile andy murray, has won a virtual title from his sofa. 0k, not the same amount of blood, sweat and tears, but he showed plenty of emotion, and those murray facial expressions, as he beat belguim's davide goffin, in the final, of the virtual madrid open on a tie break. look what it means to him. i'm sure andy murray will be watching that exhibition event going on in germany today, where nonplaying staff will have the option of wearing gloves and also face masks, but not the players. thank you very much. let's talk to sean. i told you he would be talking to the chief executive of heathrow airport. good morning. some big numbers, maybe not unexpected, from heathrow this morning. passenger levels expected to be down 97% at our busiest airport in april. heathrow has put certain things in place to keep things going. two terminals... we have the chief executive with us now. good morning. cani executive with us now. good morning. can ijust executive with us now. good morning. can i just ask you first, what do you think needs to be in place for passengers to have the confidence to walk through your airport again and get on a flight? well, it's exactly the right question to ask. i think for the next couple of months we are going to see minimalflying as for the next couple of months we are going to see minimal flying as we get this big health crisis under control. but we need to start thinking about what happens next. how do we start to get people flying ain? how do we start to get people flying again? unless we get people flying we can't get the uk economy moving again, because uk exports and the goods coming their supply chain, common passenger planes to heathrow. i think the kind of measures we are talking about will be a package of measures. we will see fantastic hygiene as you go through the airport, less contact between passengers and colleagues, we will see some health screening coming in. we have already got health screening for some destinations. i think that may become the standard. perhaps as you come into the airport everybody else will be a low risk passenger. this has to be a set of measures thatis this has to be a set of measures that is not just this has to be a set of measures that is notjust agreed as being safe in the uk, it has to be standard in all countries, so that people know that if you are arriving from the uk you don't know —— need to go into quarantine because you have been well looked after. equally passengers arriving from other countries into the uk, can travel safely and get on their way and spend money that we need them to spend. think of all the tourist and the students that will need to come into the uk to help our hotels, restau ra nts a nd into the uk to help our hotels, restaurants and universities. but also, all of those factories that rely on goods travelling through heathrow. we want to get the uk economy flying. we need heathrow. on the topic of temperature checks, with every passenger that comes into the uk and lands at heathrow airport and other airports, would you say they all need temperature checks? that's exactly what happens in many other countries. if you go to asia, in china they have had a temperature checks as you travel through the airport for years, since the sars crisis. i don't know if that is the right answer. it is something we need to work on with his government and other governments. i think it will be a package of measures which will be a package of measures which will include some kind of health screening. we will make sure people travel safely and confidently through the airport and we can get back to business as usual as quickly as possible. given that long list of things you say need to be in place, are you disappointed that there have been no additional checks to the level that a lot of people would like to see at airports since this crisis began? well, there are checks in place that public health england put in place. they are not as visible as they might be in other airports. i think this lack of consistency does create uncertainty with passengers, a sense that they are not being as well looked after as they should be. that's why we need to move from having each country having their own way of doing things, to a common international standard so people can travel in comfort. unless we can get that system in place in the next three to four months, we will not be able to get the uk economic engine firing on all cylinders. the planning needs to start now, even when we are at the height of the health crisis because it will take some time to put in place and to agree with other countries. that is why we're calling on uk government today to help work with other governments to set that common international standard for health screening. can social distancing work in airports and on planes, or do you think there is going to be a situation with other people who are going to be excluded from going into your airport and getting on a plane? social distancing can't work in any form of public transport. it is com pletely form of public transport. it is completely impractical. if you can imagine going on your last summer holiday, if you are flying somewhere, can you imagine social distancing in that circumstance? we are not designed for that. that's why we need to have a way of making sure that only people who are very low risk are allowed into the airport and low risk are allowed into the airportand can low risk are allowed into the airport and can travel. that will make sure that as many people as possible can live their lives as normal. it's not just possible can live their lives as normal. it's notjust about passengers. it's about the goods that go in the cargo holds of passenger planes from heathrow, the lifeblood of the british economy. we need passengers and goods to be able to travel all over the world to give the british economy firing on all cylinders. you had your busiest year last year. british airways say it will be several years before we see the kind of usage levels by passengers we had in 2019. therefore, has your argument for a third runway disappeared ? therefore, has your argument for a third runway disappeared? the last thing i am thinking about at the moment is a third runway. i am just focused on making sure heathrow stays open to serve the uk economy and we protect as manyjobs as possible and protect our business. but the things that we see here, just how vital long haul flights are from heathrow, that is exactly the argument why britain needs a third runway. while i don't think we will be meeting that capacity in the next few years, in ten to 15 years time if we are successful in rebuilding the economy, we will absolutely need it. that is an argument for another day. now we just need to focus on getting the economy moving again. day. now we just need to focus on getting the economy moving againm much of that is about people being confident going through your ipod. how will things change price—wise, for example? we have heard michael 0'leary, the boss of ryanair, saying it is not financially viable to have an empty seat on a plane. do you think we will see prices go up for airlines and airports to be able to afford to make money and have us travelling safely? that depends entirely on what kind of health regime we have. if we are able to have a sanitary cord and travelling through airports and on aeroplanes, then we can have all seats being full. but unless we can come up with a package of measures, that common international standard, if we can't have that and have to rely on social distancing, then not only will prices go up, there will be far fewer flights. aviation is prices go up, there will be far fewerflights. aviation is a low margin business. it relies on planes being as full as possible. most of us being as full as possible. most of us have been able to benefit from... we have all been able to enjoy flights on the back of that. but if only the wealthy can afford to fly, we would see a much smaller aviation sector. that would have notjust a massive impact on jobs sector. that would have notjust a massive impact onjobs in sector. that would have notjust a massive impact on jobs in aviation, it will have a massive impact on jobs across the uk economy. that image of people congregating around bars and airports waiting for the next flights, all densely queued, is that an image of the past? not necessarily. i think it's hard to imagine the day given that we were —— are at the height of the crisis. i think we can have relatively normal social mixing when this is over. it is hard to imagine today but in three to four months' time, provided that we have first of all got the infection rate down in the uk and other countries, and secondly, we have got this common international standard for health screening and old airports around the world, so people can travel with confidence. the chief executive of heathrow airport, thank you. that thing about only low risk passengers needed to be in those airports for heathrow to feel it can do what it needs to do, that will have a big impact on how a lot of people view where they can travel in the coming months and years. i think it was a fascinating interview. give me your opinion, sean, and how clear he was in terms of social distancing and how it will not work on public transport? yeah, it is something we are starting to hear more from the airline industry, including airport buses, there is going to have to be something else in place from government for people to feel confident about having a different experience at an airport than they would in day—to—day life. you are talking to michael 0'leary at 20 past eight. see you later. thank you. we had a very special programme yesterday as we joined captain tom moore, the war veteran, fundraiser and current number one pop artist, to celebrate his 100th birthay. what a day it was. thousands of cards, a military promotion and an england cricket call—up were all in the mix. let's have a quick look back at a truly memorable day. it started as a bit of a family joke, really, to give tom something to do in isolation. that was then, this is now. bunting, birthday cards and bells. bells toll. on behalf of bbc breakfast and everyone who has celebrated your achievements across the uk, let me wish you a very happy 100th birthday. the first birthday cards started to arrive, more and more came. the numbers grew, the numbers grew, the numbers grew and now take a look at this, more than 125,000 birthday cards! # happy birthday to you...#. there is a letter here from the chief of the general staff that conveys your appointment to become the honorary colonel of our army foundation college. applause. happy birthday, captain tom, or should i say, colonel, from today. # happy birthday to you, happy birthday, captain tom, daddy, grandpa, happy birthday to you!#. cheering and applause. i have never ever anticipated ever in my life anything like this. it really is amazing. and i want to say to everyone, thank you very much to everyone wherever you are. it really is fantastic, isn't it? it really was fantastic. that quote ina way it really was fantastic. that quote in a way sums everything up. fantastic. lovely. i hope he is having a good rest. rainbows were out as well. there we go. we are zooming into those rainbows. good morning, sarah. good morning. loads of rainbows around yesterday. lots more today. many people are waking up to scenes like this because we have got that classic mix of sunshine and heavy showers. that is going to be the story of the day. spells of sunshine, some pretty torrential showers at times for some. not as frequent or as heavy as they were yesterday, particularly in they were yesterday, particularly in the south. we have still got low pressure. we will see more of those showers rotating around this area of low pressure, especially in the northern half of the uk. that is where we will see the heaviest and most frequent showers. some heavy ones across the english channel will clear away over the next few hours. a little bit drier for much of southern england and south wales. the heaviest of the downpours will be through parts of the midlands, northern england, central and southern scotland. thunderstorms bringing hale and squally winds with those downpours as well. some sense and in between the showers. temperatures from most in the mid teens. a little bit warmer today than in recent days. into this evening and tonight the showers gradually ease what some of them will continue. they could be the odd rumble of thunder across parts of north—east england into northern and eastern scotland as well. further south, clearer skies. temperatures between five and 8 degrees overnight. for the weekend the weather is gradually going to be drying out. some spells of sunshine. less windy than it has been. 0ne drying out. some spells of sunshine. less windy than it has been. one or two showers on saturday and sunday. the areas most likely to see the showers on saturday and sunday will be across northern and eastern scotland, and the north—east of england. sunny spells elsewhere. temperatures creeping up. the mid to high teens. it continues to warm up into next week. headlines coming up. good morning. welcome to breakfast with naga munchetty and charlie stayt. 0ur headlines today... the prime minister says britain is "past the peak" of the coronavirus outbreak and is promising to set out a plan for gradually lifting the lockdown. he suggests face coverings could play a part when restrictions are eased. face coverings will be useful, both for epidemiological reasons but also for giving people confidence that they can go back to work. the government says it's confident it's met its target of 100,000 coronavirus tests a day by the end of april for all you guys off too? are you going to taser me? i do not want to taser you! policing the lockdown. we go on the beat with officers trying to enforce social distancing the boss of heathrow has told me what needs to be in place for passengers to fly. it isjust com pletely passengers to fly. it isjust completely impractical and if you can imagine going on your last summer holiday, if you're flying somewhere, can you imagine social distancing in that kind of circumstance? we are just not designed for that. in the next 20 minutes i'll be talking to the boss of ryanair. good morning. it's friday the 1st of may. our top story. borisjohnson says the uk is "past the peak" of coronavirus and can see light at the end of the tunnel. promising to reveal detailed plans next week on how his government will lift lockdown restrictions, the prime minister said that facemasks will be a "useful" part of the strategy. dan johnson reports. for a nation cut off, closed down, hurting... applause. ..this is notjust about gratitude, it has become a regular act of communion, in the name of the carer, the medic, and the vital key worker, kind, helping hands that have kept the country on its feet and saved lives. cheering and applause. and here's a reminder that, in the crossfire of coronavirus, heroes can be patients too. you saved my life. west midlands police chief superintendent, phil dolby, spent more than two weeks on a ventilator. see ya, bye! now, the next generation training for the front line are being named after the miracle workers of our nhs. also bouncing back, the prime minister, with his own reasons to be thankful and a message of hope... i can confirm today that, for the first time, we are past the peak of this disease. we are past the peak and we are on the downward slope. that may be but hundreds are still dying every day. 674 in the last 24 hours. across the uk, the virus has taken someone special from 26,771 families. more 15,000 people are in hospital, trying to shake it off. so it is still too early to lift the lockdown. the infection rate and the number of people each of us passes the virus to must stay below one. more detail on that next week, but here is a hint of what our future may hold... face coverings will be useful both for epidemiological reasons but also for giving confidence to people that they can go get back to work. testing numbers have dogged the government's response. and we'll find out later today whether the 100,000 was met. wednesday's latest figures were still 18,000 short. at the beginning of the week, we only had 5000 home tests available, this is now 20,000 available and it is the reason why we are quite likely to get very close to or meet the 100,000 target. 0ur worries and our strife are shared in this new expression of community. thursday, eight o'clock, is about togetherness, through torrid times. humanity‘s challenge means more pain, more suffering and more fear but as nature inflicts its worst, it can reflect our very best, and there are signs of better days ahead. dan johnson, bbc news. 0ur political correspondent leila nathoo in westminster. from press conference yesterday, a number of new lines emerging, one of which has been said to one side for some time, the issue of face coverings? yes, i think boris johnson ‘s acknowledgement that we have passed the peak of the virus has allowed the government to start thinking more closely and putting into us an idea of what is going to come next so we have been promised an outline of what borisjohnson called a road map, menu of options about the second phase of tackling the coronavirus outbreak that allows life to get on its way to coming back to normal although that won't happen for many months. but a little start of that. and the monks that, he was asked about the use of face coverings and said they could be a useful tool going forward. —— and amongst that. here's what the community secretary robertjenrick told us earlier. the advice in the past has been that face masks only have a modest difference from a health perspective, they do help us to protect others and it might be particularly useful if you are asymptomatic, you don't know if you have symptoms but you could still be spreading the virus. so the benefits are modest. but they might be a way of giving people confidence because many people are understandably very anxious about going out, returning to the workplace in a safe way. they might be a way of giving us more confidence. i think this is going to be something that ministers are going to be grappling with more broadly, even if the data says that scientists advising the government can offer advice to the government about starting to think about releasing some of the lockdown measures, even if the data and information is there that allows them to do so, how can they persuade people who have so far been very fea rful of people who have so far been very fearful of the virus spreading in their communities, how can they persuade people that it's safe to go back to normal, children starting to think about going back to school, people going back to work in a meaningful way? i think the use of face coverings is going to be something we are talking about increasingly in the coming weeks. thank you. us president donald trump says he's seen evidence that suggests coronavirus originated in a chinese laboratory. his claim — made in a press briefing overnight — contradicts a statement by his country's own intelligence agencies, which said that covid—19 was not man—made. china has rejected the laboratory theory and criticised the us response to the pandemic. victims of domestic abuse can seek help at all boots pharmacies across the uk from today. consultation rooms will be used as safe spaces, where victims will be put in touch with specialist services. recyling centres in some parts of england are re—opening this weekend. fly—tipping has increased since the coronavirus restrictions came into force, prompting the government to urge local authorities to re—open them. but some councils have said further safety measures are needed before the centres can re—open. the town now is eight minutes past eight. so, quote from borisjohnson yesterday. we can see sunlight and pastures at the end of the tunnel. that's how prime minister boris johnson described the situation facing the uk as he promised a "comprehensive plan" on how — and when — things will begin to get back to normal. let's get an idea of how that plan might shape up. susan michie is a professor of health psychology at university college london. she also contributes to sage, the government's scientific advisory group for emergencies. good morning to you and thank you for joining good morning to you and thank you forjoining us. what are your thoughts in terms of how the restrictions could be eased in a sensible and safe way? just to say on the behavioural science subcommittee of sage and i'm also speaking here in my independent capacity. in terms of lifting the restrictions i think it will have to be done in a very phased way if we are not to see an increase in transmission again. that's going to be quite a challenge because when the restrictions were brought in, it was the same restrictions for everyone and i think it's going to bea everyone and i think it's going to be a challenge when there are different restrictions lifted for different restrictions lifted for different sections of the population because the collective solidarity has been such an important part of adhering to and making the strategy successful. it's also about clarity, isn't it? every time we say to our viewers, get your questions and, for example, the construction industry, people are confused about what is and isn't allowed. do you think the message gets through clearly enough that people know these clear boundaries and clear instructions? from the feedback i've been getting and looking at the polls, i think there's still a confusion about what is all right in terms of work and what isn't right. i think it's quite ha rd what isn't right. i think it's quite hard when there are messages saying stay—at—home and also, at the same time, people are coming back into work, often with quite a lot of anxiety about whether the said conditions will really be guaranteed at work. and quite a lot, especially construction work, being seen as non—essential. and apparently, some of the guidance around it is less strict than it is for other places of work and other situations, which some people in the construction industry are quite worried about. it's interesting, we were also talking to the head of heathrow, i don't want to go through every industry and how it's approaching it but i think the impression that many of us are getting is that different industries require so many different standards of safety. yet there is this top—level approach to it that's going to be very difficult to abide by? i think it's going to be really important is having a system of surveillance in place and also, really encouraging people in the workplace to have an easy way of reporting if there are any infringements of a safe working environment. because unsafe working environments not only put those people at risk, it also puts their household, the people in their households at risk and a lot of people are concerned about bringing infection back into their families and their households. but also, a lot of people are concerned about their incomes, you know? look at health psychology, you want to keep yourfamily, your health psychology, you want to keep your family, your loved ones health psychology, you want to keep yourfamily, your loved ones safe. but you need to earn a living in order tojust but you need to earn a living in order to just live, but you need to earn a living in order tojust live, in but you need to earn a living in order to just live, in order to survive. who's going to take the risk of complaining against their employer if they feel fortunate enoughjust to employer if they feel fortunate enough just to be working? absolutely, it's a huge problem and there are millions of people who are still not covered by sufficient finances to give them financial security so people are going back to work and have been, self employed people, not because they wanted to but because they've had to and we know from the evidence that financial insecurity and low income is one of the reasons why people don't adhere to government guidance so the sooner we can make people as financially secure on a population wide level, the better. a little earlier we saw a diary from a police officer from devon and earlier we saw a diary from a police officerfrom devon and cornwall and he was taking us through his day and looking at those who perhaps aren't abiding or don't get the measures of lockdown and social distancing. how impressed, unimpressed, surprised, unsurprised are you without the british public has coped with these measures that have been imposed?” think people have been really pleasantly surprised at the overwhelming support there has been by the british public for what are very, very challenging situations, for a lot of people, especially those living in crowded conditions and with no outside space. and when we first heard about wuhan, a lot of people said that china, it could never work here. and what we've shown is it can work here and you know, we are a very adaptable species. if people understand the severity of the situation and understand why the measures will be helpful in protecting themselves and the people, then people do rise to really serious challenges so i think it's been deeply impressive. give me your view on masks. we heard from the prime minister yesterday at the press co nfe re nce , the prime minister yesterday at the press conference, and we heard from robertjenrick today, the housing, communities, local government secretary, talking about whether or not the introduction of masks will be suggested, not necessarily imposed, next week. if it is, psychologically, what would you be thinking now, maybe next week i will be told i should be wearing masks in certain situations but now it's ok to not to? it's a difficult one. the evidence is very equivocal. because on the one hand, either masks or face coverings can catch droplets which, if you are infected, can help stop infecting other people. however at those droplets on the mask stay on the mask and could be infectious for a long time. and so unless the face covering, for example, is put straight into hot, soapy water, it can't be put on a service which contaminates the service, which can be touched by other people and therefore, the transmission increases. and this will be especially so if people are wearing it into work when there's not going to be probably facilities or maybe there will? maybe employers will set up there will? maybe employers will set up routines for everybody puts their facemasks straight into hot soapy water and washes them. the other problem that's been cited as false reassurance. and the prime minister yesterday said it gives people confidence about going back to work. the issue is not confidence that's needed, it safety. and the problem is if people feel that they are less infectious because they are wearing a face covering, which has usually quite a lot of ways in which virus can leak out, then they may pay less attention to the absolutely crucial measures of physical distancing of at least two metres, keeping your hands regularly washed with soap, not touching your eyes, face and nose and using tissues or coughs and sneezes. these are going to be even more vital as the restrictions get eased, bit by bit. it's been really interesting talking to you, thank you very much for your time this morning. let's get a view now from two business owners. sarah squire runs 16 garden centres across london and the home counties. and ed stanbury is the chief executive and founder of blok gyms. welcome to you both, good to speak to you. let's start if i met with a garden centre business, this is such an interesting area. can you establish, are you open, are you allowed to open, what the law in relation to your business? our understanding is that we are not permitted to be open and we are not open to customers. we are carrying out some small local deliveries but for us to open, we would have to be absolutely certain that we are legally allowed to do so and we would also very much want to be sure that we have got the measures in place to make sure that we can bring back teams safely and also welcome our customers back safely. so those are the two tests that us as a business, would want to satisfy before we were open again. just to clarify a couple of things, i com pletely clarify a couple of things, i completely understand the decision you made about your staff and your customers, keeping yourself safe and your customer site. butjudging by your customer site. butjudging by your first answer, are you actually not clear yourself whether, if you tomorrow were to say, you know what, i'm going to open. do you know whether you are breaking the law or within the law? i think we are pretty clear that the law states that garden centres cannot be open. and we have been taking advice from our trade bodies on this we have taken legal advice. our trade bodies on this we have ta ken legal advice. having our trade bodies on this we have taken legal advice. having said that, we know that diy stores are permitted to be open so to a degree, it doesn't feel like a total level playing field. having said that, of course we are not underestimating in any way, shape orform, the course we are not underestimating in any way, shape or form, the critical nature of this public health emergency. and indeed, we are very much behind the lockdown when it happened and, you know, obviously the first priority is to protect people's health but clearly, as a business, our duty is to protect our staff and our customers but clearly, also, our duty is to protect the viability of the business and to make sure art staff have jobs to come back to and the business is secure going forward. it is a very critical time for us and that is exacerbated because spring is the busiest time for us, for all multicultural based businesses, spring is when it all happens, that's when you have to take the income and make the income that you do during the rest of the year. the most critical months of the year at the moment. —— horticultural based businesses. let's pick up at the gym business. it's particularly difficult for gems, each industry facing issues, gyms, social distancing, all of these industries —— issues will come into play but how is it looking for you at the moment? it's very hard, we close our sites on the 19th of march, took that decision a few days before the official lockdown came into place, when the advice was that by being open we would be putting lives at risk. and i think, my understanding is at that point it was not a legal requirement but it was a decision we took it was the right thing to do. we are a class —based gym, we don't have an open space, all workouts are donein have an open space, all workouts are done in our closed environment and it's very difficult. as far as the guidance we've seen, it's quite vague on what happens next. which makes it very difficult to plan for the business. at the moment, we have no clear idea when we can reopen. and start operating the physical side of the business at all. we are now focusing purely on digital in the short term, we are launching our tv service this weekend. it's interesting, we were talking to the aviation industry, the boss of heathrow, he was cleared social distancing cannot work on public transport, for example and you must be thinking ahead as to whether or not, ina be thinking ahead as to whether or not, in a gym class situation, can it ever work? what are your thoughts on that? yes, again, it's so difficult, until we have clear guidance on what social distancing will mean and when, there was guidance, comment last week, to expect some social distancing until the end of the year. if that means two major distancing until the end of the year, that will affect, you couldn't reopen classes, anything like a normal capacity and with our normal business model. so we would have to open on a purely personal training basis. and as i say, focusing on the digital side, from saturday we will be running 20 live streamed workouts every single day. and we have a video on demand service as well. but obviously, you know, we want to get our site back open and start servicing customers. ed and sarah, thank you both for your time ed and sarah, thank you both for yourtime and ed and sarah, thank you both for your time and good luck in the weeks ahead. thank you. charlie was mentioning the boss of heathrow, saying social distancing at airports com pletely saying social distancing at airports completely impractical, we hear ryanair is completely impractical, we hear rya nair is cutting completely impractical, we hear ryanair is cutting 3000 jobs, and sean is talking to them now. good morning. you can add that to the list, british airways, 12,000 of the 42,000 workers being made redundant, ryanair is saying pretty much most of the 3000 jobs they could be cutting could be pilots and cabin crew. we got the chief executive michael 0'leary with us. good morning to you. good morning. you talk about 3000 jobs could well go at ryanair, do you think that is the limit of what might be needed or could you see yourself having to cut more jobs further down the line? genuinely, we are not sure, it depends on how long this covid19 closure last. the situation we face now is we've carried almost no passengers for the last three months. we carry less than 140,000 passengers in april, may and june against originally 42 million passengers. for the full year we will carry less than 100 million passengers, the budget was originally hundred and 55 million, we will carry only about a third less passengers than we planned for this year and while we expect to be back flying some services injuly and august, we think the buildup will be slow, passengers will be wearing face masks, temperature checks at airports, there will be those kind of controls. we are cutting, we announced this morning we are cutting 15% of staff, we think that's the minimum we need to survive the next 12 months. if a vaccine is found clearly the recovery will be stronger, if a vaccine isn't found we may have to announce more cuts and deeper cuts into the future. one of the unique challenges that the airlines face is when we come back, we are going to be forced to compete with airlines like lufthansa which has received 12 billion instead, france, 10 billion. alitalia has been renationalised. not only do we have to struggle through this but we will have to compete with airlines who have limitless funds, state aid funds to enable them to engage at below cost selling. it's going to be a torrid couple of years for airlines like ryanair, british airways, and others who don't get state aid, it's going to bea who don't get state aid, it's going to be a great couple of years for passengers, you will see lower airfares, ithink passengers, you will see lower airfares, i think certainly this summerlower airfares, i think certainly this summer lower hotel prices in places like spain, portugal, italy, as they try to recover something of the tourism season but we feel we have no choice this morning to announce 3000 job cuts, that's about 15% of the workforce. we will be closing some bases in the uk and spain and other places across europe. because by the time we get out of this, we will be entering their winter schedule anyway. and it's going to be very difficult. on that point of base closures, have you got an idea of which bases are most vulnerable in the uk that you will be closing? some of the regional basis will be vulnerable. you know, we can reduce aircraft numbers a bigger basis like stansted, manchester, birmingham, but some of the other regional basis will be very marginal, certainly for this winter. have you made a decision already about which bases will close? we are going to start a consultation process with the unions over the next couple of weeks but we will expect to be making decisions and announcements on finalising these job cuts and there will also be pay cuts for everybody as well, by the 1st ofjuly. we heard the chief executive of heathrow telling us earlier that social distancing doesn't work in the airline industry and transport in general. is it possible for a budget airline like ryanair, like easyjet, the ones that so many of us are familiar with using, can you make money and keep passengers safe ? using, can you make money and keep passengers safe? i think we can but firstly, we should dispense with this notion of keeping empty middle seats, it doesn't achieve any social distancing, the aisle and the window seat or two and a half feet away with each other, not two metres, there's no way you can have social distancing in at you, whether it's an airline, the london underground or the train. sol an airline, the london underground or the train. so i think what we will have to do when we do return is temperature checks of people entering airport terminals and train stations, anybody with a temperature of over 38 degrees will be refused entry and on board, we will have face coverings or masks for passengers, cabin crew, we are disinfecting the aircraft, every aircraft every night so yes, we can keep people safe but the challenge is going to be the return to some degree of normality, normal tourism volumes, will take us probably a year, maybe even three years at this stage. sorry, go ahead. do you think we are going to get to the point when people who are having to social distance for their own health, in day—to—day life and have been told by the government that they are higher risk, we are going to see many more people being excluded from flying? i doubt it, i mean, ithink there's different things, on shorthaul flying, in essence your flight shorthaul flying, in essence your flight is in error, an hour and 15 minutes, no, idon't flight is in error, an hour and 15 minutes, no, i don't think you will be excluded from flying. i think long haul, when you are in a 248, ten, 14 hours will be a more challenging proposition. we think the european union will see a return to flight services in july and august, we think people will on the back of very low pricing, tried to grab back of very low pricing, tried to gmba back of very low pricing, tried to graba quick back of very low pricing, tried to grab a quick holiday, some sunshine, they've been locked up for three months, this point in time. we think shorthaul flying will return pretty quickly but only on the back of very low pricing. many of your customers will be looking to get their money back right now because they had flights booked that will not be taking off. can you promise them if they've not been able to get on that flight they've not been able to get on that flight because of coronavirus that they will get a cash refund quickly? no, i cannot promise cash refund quickly, i can't promise cash refunds, there is a complete misunderstanding here about the scale of the challenge we are facing. in normal times we process about 10,000 refunds every month. these aren't normal times, or offices are essentially closed yet we are still, we managed to increase the processing capacity to about 10,000 refunds a week, processing 10,000 refunds a week, processing 10,000 refunds a week. the challenge however we face is that we had to cancel about 5 million seats in march and about 12 million in april and may, we have a backlog of about 25 million refunds were stopped they cannot be processed automatically because it's individual customers money so we are working through this backlog at incredible speeds compared to normal times. backlog at incredible speeds compared to normaltimes. so backlog at incredible speeds compared to normal times. so within what period of time every customer will get a cash refund if they want a cash refund but they will have to bear with us. it is going to take many weeks and months to process this backlog of refunds. and there is no other way of doing it. so within two or three months, get your cash back? i mean, certainly we will have all the march refunds done within a month or two, the april refunds will have been done within two or three months, they may refunds may take three to six months. we simply have a gigantic problem, we didn't cancel these flights out of choice. these cancellations have been imposed on us by government. almost out of nowhere. but we will, i can guarantee you was ryanair, every customer will receive a cash refund if they wanted, we are also offering vouchers which at least help us to delay or eliminate this huge backlog. most of our passengers fly with us frequently and therefore, ta ke with us frequently and therefore, take a voucher, we can process those automatically because it's not sending a customers cash out the door but cash refunds will take many months to process and there is nothing we or the consumer agencies can do about it. michael o'leary, chief executive of ryanair, thank you. just indicative of the whole broad spectrum of people who are being affected one way or another by this, the cabin crew, the pilots who are hearing this morning thatjobs are hearing this morning thatjobs are on the line to those customers, who are waiting for money, they may well need it right now, it could be up well need it right now, it could be up to six months, michael 0'leary says there, before you get a cash refund but he is promising that people who want one will get one. thank you. very interesting. it's just coming up to half past eight, a little later than billed, sarah, we are joining little later than billed, sarah, we arejoining you for the little later than billed, sarah, we are joining you for the weather. not many people flying everywhere but we can look up and see those gorgeous rainbows of late. absolutely, good morning to you. some beautiful rainbows out there, to be viewed from your window and your garden. weather watchers out picturing these. lots of them yesterday, ready this morning, we've got a real mix of sunshine and heavy showers. it might be the 1st of may but the april showers are holding on a little bit longer. today, some brightness, blue sky in between the showers, some of the showers will be heavy and also thundery, thunderstorms with hale and squally winds for some of us but the showers won't be quite as heavy or frequent as we had yesterday, particularly in the south. things are starting to dry up but low pressure still in charge. showers rotating around that area of low pressure. the areas most likely to see the heaviest and most frequent dampers are across the midlands, northern england into central and southern scotland. 0ne or two for northern ireland. at the northern half of scotland and the fat south of england, drier weather through the course of the day, don't rule out some showers here but temperatures a little bit warmer than recently, most of us between 13 and 16 degrees. touch cooler across the far north of scotland. into this evening and tonight the showers will gradually start to ease away, some of them will continue overnight, especially for eastern england and scotland, you may well hear the odd rumble of thunder. clear skies and fairly light winds further south. chilly started saturday, around 55 and 8 degrees. be frost free. the weekend shaping up to be not to bad weather wise, spells of sunshine, drier weather, less windy than it has been, still one or two showers around on saturday and sunday. the areas most likely to see those showers are across northern and eastern parts of scotland in towards the north—east of england. elsewhere on saturday, mostly dry, some sunshine, top temperatures reaching 18 degrees in the warmest spots. very similar day on the cards for sunday. some showers across the north—east of scotland, perhaps north—east of scotland, perhaps north—east england as well, bit more cloud also working in from the south—west. some sunny spells, lighter winds than we've seen recently, things looking a little bit warmer. back to you. temperature is still higher than usual we are back to about average for this time, the 1st of may, pretty much where they should be, warming upa pretty much where they should be, warming up a little bit into next week. colour is grateful for that. policing the streets can be a tough job at the best of times. but patrolling a city, when most of its residents should be staying at home, poses a whole new set of challenges. with more than 9,000 fines issued in england and wales for breaking lockdown rules — and reports of anti—social behaviour doubling — one officer from devon and cornwall police has been keeping a video diary for us. take a look. police siren. sit down! oh, my god! you're not going that way, mate. we're going to disperse you out of the city. stop banging your head! i'm carlo towl. i'm a police sergeant with devon and cornwall police. so here we are, week five of lockdown britain. i'm in exeter. i just wanted to talk about the police's experience of what's been happening the last few weeks. i've just arrived at exeter custody. i've come up here cos a male's been arrested for spitting in a paramedic‘s face. the gentleman's in the cell here with four officers in ppe, after he'd kicked off. he's been restrained for a period of time. he's assaulted a couple of officers, causing injury to them. he's attempted to spit at officers as well as paramedics at the scene. we've had an absolute flood of reports from the public, who are saying there are street—attached people, people who are street drinkers, drug takers. we have struggled a little bit, because in the law it allows for someone to be homeless and to be out, because obviously they've got nowhere to get back to. but there are, as i've said, lots of people who are housed, who are currently going out every day, congregating in groups, drinking, taking drugs, causing anti—social behaviour, who are really causing a sort of problem. so we've had a report of a group of six people drinking and congregating in an area just down here. so where are you guys off to, then? are you going to taser me? i don't want to taser you. are you guys housed somewhere? yes. yes? ok. right, so you need to be back there, don't you? i need to be at probation. all you guys are doing being out and about is causing more issues for people. it's a problem that increasing the longer the lockdown goes on, because they feel more emboldened to go out and act in a way which intimidates a lot of people, frankly. i wasn't resisting arrest, she had hold of me! how can i be resisting arrest when she had hold of me?! we're taking proactive action as best we can without trying to stigmatise those people or become overzealous, as i know the police have been accused of being recently. so yeah, it's a difficult one, really, because the law is quite grey, u nfortu nately. you're a bully. this shift started with someone spitting in the face of a paramedic. and now it's ended with another emergency service worker being spat out again. now, ijust don't understand people, i really don't. yeah, it's been a trying shift. hi, guys. how have you coped with the lockdown so far? it's nice here, to be fair. most people have been absolutely fine. like yourselves. the whole point of it, and ouronly realaim, is to keep people safe. it sounds cliched but it's true. and thank you to sergeant carlo towl from devon and cornwall police for sharing his video diary with us. some of those words, we had in reflecting on his patrol, i really don't understand people sometimes. yeah. even if the last few weeks have been a bit of blur, with weekdays and weekends merging into one, you can probably remember exactly where you were for the last six thursday evenings at eight o'clock. hard to forget, shouldn't forget! last night, once again, millions of us took to our doorsteps, windows and balconies to applaud our nhs staff and other key workers. adam mcclean reports. every week, everywhere, it is the moment a country says thank you. families and neighbours briefly stepping outside to let carers know just how much they are valued. this is what thursday evening has become, a chance to stand distant yet together. as captain tom's family celebrated the first day of his second century, applause filled the streets of his village, the home of a £33 million fundraiser for the nhs. here on the wirral, families stood in the streets to show their appreciation for those who choose to care. it is great, you get people with their pots and pans, and it is people that you've never even seen before. i think, just the modern way is that you don't speak to your neighbours, so it is nice to see people's faces, even if they've got a big pan or a spoon in their hand. 8pm, my daughter is asking me, "can we go out and clap? can we go out and clap?" she almost asks every night if she can do it. it's such an exciting thing for herto do, and she understands why we are doing it as well. this is now a familiarfixture — the silence on our streets broken as an entire country claps for its carers. the towns, villages and cities across the uk joining in a remarkable applause. i think it is very emotional. we have a care home at the back here and they change shifts at eight o'clock and so the carers are actually coming out at eight o'clock to change shifts with the carers that are going in and they all clap each other, and they say thank you to us for clapping. it's just amazing. ijust think they are amazing people. and for carers themselves, it is a moment to reflect. it is very loud here, everybody is out the windows, shouting, cheering, clapping. it is such a proud moment. general coming out and general... your heart isjust bursting with emotion and things. it is great. the pandemic has revealed so many helpers in our communities and from front—line workers to those whose lives depend on them, this is just what we do at eight o'clock on thursdays. it isa it is a market in the week that i think very few people can object to. it works every time, doesn't it? we are going to talk to one of those people for whom we are clapping. we've heard some amazing stories recently about the bonds that can form between covid—19 patients and the medical staff who care for them. but what's it like to treat someone who was already a good friend before they fell gravely ill? that's the situation which drjosh hill and simon fan found themselves in. they can join us now to tell us more. we can say hello to both of them this morning, a very good morning to both of you. i am not quite sure where to start with the tale, probably the best place is at the beginning, simon, you were starting to feel a little bit ill, you two are very to feel a little bit ill, you two are very good friends, pick us up at the beginning of the story. about ten days prior to me being hospitalised, i was getting a high temperature, coughs, i knew! hospitalised, i was getting a high temperature, coughs, i knew i was coming down with something, the 111 helpline told me to stay at home and self—isolate, not what i wanted to hear, exactly five weeks ago yesterday. josh rang me in the morning, i said, i am yesterday. josh rang me in the morning, isaid, iam not yesterday. josh rang me in the morning, i said, i am not doing good, i need some help. he said, come to hospital, i will do some tests. so i went to the good hope hospital, did some tests on my lungs, and he said we need to get you in asap, that was five weeks ago. simon, just so people know straightaway, how are you now? because i am sensing you are still a little bit breathless.” because i am sensing you are still a little bit breathless. i was released yesterday after five and a half weeks, i have had five weeks, so still a bit shaky, i have lost just over four stone so still a bit shaky, i have lost just overfour stone in so still a bit shaky, i have lost just over four stone in weight. so i'm still a bit shaky, still disoriented, but i am on the mend, on the mend. simon, what i will say is thank you for talking to us, just the whole duty of care — if you feel ill at all too shaky, do not worry, we will carry on, we want you to feel well completely! drjosh we will carry on, we want you to feel well completely! dr josh hill, there are some brands that you are grateful for having allowed, and i imagine you are one of those for simon, because he described getting into hospital, having the tests, and then what happened, quite a rapid decline in his health? yeah, that's right, i spoke to him on the morning of one of my night shifts, he said he wasn't getting on well, and the hospital i was working at doing my night shift was simon's closest hospital, so i said, if he comes in in the morning to the a&e department, i will stick around and go and see him there. sol department, i will stick around and go and see him there. so i went to see him, and he was indeed very breathless, i measured his oxygen saturation, to put it in context, they were worse than somebody who smoked a pack today for 40 years, which is obviously abnormal for someone like simon, he was fit and well, eat well, has never smoked, doesn't drink alcohol, trains every day, owns his own gym. he got a chest x—ray, he had to be a change is related to the covid virus, so we put him onto oxygen, and then when i came back into my subsequent night shift, as i came in to see him, he was surrounded by the anaesthetic team, they were preparing to intubate him and move into the intensive care department, because he had maxed out the amount of care we could deliver on the ward. he was now requiring more oxygen, and so basically in the course of one day, he came from someone who could get a taxi into hospital to someone who couldn't even survive with the maximum oxygen on the ward. from then, he spent about three weeks in intensive care, one in good hope hospital, a few weeks in the queen elizabeth, where he received good ca re elizabeth, where he received good care in the icu. it was a bit of a long ordeal for him, a few ups and downs, came close to not surviving ona downs, came close to not surviving on a couple of occasions at least, but thankfully he managed to be extradited, taken off the ventilator, without the need for a trackjust to meet. it is such a dramatic decline in health, were you surprised by that, i know you know his history, and i don't want to scaremonger, but we know this is a really serious condition, is that typical of how quickly people can deteriorate? i think that notjust myself, but speaking to other medical professionals, when reports of the virus first came out, lots of the reports work... talking about the reports work... talking about the elderly or frail, and i'm not sure we really appreciated that it could have such a devastating effect on someone he was young, fit and well, and i think simon's story is a wake—up call, if you like, good evidence to suggest that people in the lockdown was really necessary, and even if you are young, fit and healthy, you can still get the virus and become critically ill. simon, i know you are very good friends, but it is only right to give you this opportunity, in a public forum too may say thank you to your friend, but also all the other people who may be helped you along the way. yeah, if it wasn't forjosh, he did say to me that if you didn't text me that morning and i hadn't gone in, i probably wouldn't be here to tell the story, so i want to say tojosh, massive thank you, i owe you my life, and all my friends who have supported me along the way, it has been truly humbling. ijust want supported me along the way, it has been truly humbling. i just want to say a massive thank you to everybody who has sent goodwill messages. no—one could come and see me because of the lockdown, but i had so many m essa g es of the lockdown, but i had so many messages from all over the world, truly humbling, so thank you. josh? yes. i think simon is a genuinely nice person, and i think the biggest thank you that anyone could have as a doctor or medical professional is to be able to use your skills to help someone you know. so for me, it was so fulfilling to be able to actually save someone's life that you actually know, a friend of mine, andl you actually know, a friend of mine, and i think simon's story, not only is it worrying to see somebody so fit so unwell, but it is also a story of hope, because i am sure lots of people have friends, family and loved ones who are critically ill with the virus, they might even be in intensive care, and if the story is anything to go by, it shows you that you can keep out, even with three weeks on a ventilator, you can still come round and make a full recovery. so a really positive thing, you may see negative press, but it provides help for people in similar situations. gentleman, lovely talking to you today, and i am always coming in these interviews, we have a roller—coaster of emotions, and you have been through an awful ordeal, simon, but cani through an awful ordeal, simon, but can i make one observation, which i am cautious about making. simon, you said you had lost four stone during the process, i am looking at you, dr josh hill, i do not know how big your arms were before... but you don't seem to have lost much weight during the process, did you guys meet in the gym? i will let simon answer! yeah, i run a gym in birmingham forten answer! yeah, i run a gym in birmingham for ten years, josh is one of the members, we have been good friends, he sort of followed me, we have become good friends. you sort of looked after me plus two weeks, i sort of looked after me plus two weeks, lam sort of looked after me plus two weeks, i am forever grateful. this has been a rather extraordinary experience for you... has been a rather extraordinary experience foryou... sorry, has been a rather extraordinary experience for you... sorry, josh, say that again. no, i wasjust going to say, simon has always owned gyms in birmingham, it is quite a close—knit community, we all try and look after one another, and the amount of support he has had from people he trains with, people who don't even know him, it has been amazing to see, you know, from an outside perspective, while he has beenin outside perspective, while he has been ina outside perspective, while he has been in a hospital, he has had such great support. well, look, it is obvious that you are great friends, probably even better friends than you were before, because why wouldn't you be? someone saved your life. simon, i really appreciate you talking to us, just released yesterday, we wish you all the best with your recovery and return to health and returned to the gym and fitness and all that, do take care of yourselves. josh, thank you for looking after us all. thank you, thanks for talking. always interested in hearing there was a story from start to finish, when someone feels ill, the process they go through. how it affects everyone so differently as well. look after out there. a week today — on the 8th of may — the nation will come together to commemorate the 75th anniversary of ve day. the planned street parties and parades had to be cancelled, of course. instead, the day the second world war ended in europe will be marked by lots of other poignant events, including a televised address (pres)we're planning lots of special coverage by the queen. we're planning lots of special coverage here on breakfast next week, and as part of that we'd love to see pictures your pictures from that time. let's look back now at some beautiful pictures sent to us by the imperial war museum. big band music plays the royal mail has produced a set of stamps to mark the occasion, based on archive photographs. one of them features a teenage bette williamson, who got caught up in a street party on her way to work. we can speak to bette now. bette, very good morning to you, how are you? good morning to you. are you 0k? carry out yes, thank you. what story you have to tell, there was a moment in time captured in an image, and can we see the stamp? i think you have already seen it, haven't you? maybe we can all have a look at it, so if we could bring that up now... no, can you just help us with who you are on the stamp in that picture? this is me by the flag. so just that picture? this is me by the flag. sojust behind that picture? this is me by the flag. so just behind the flag, smiling, clearly very happy. yes. explain the occasion, how was it that you are caught on camera in that you are caught on camera in that particular moment? well, that is my sister, and a friend of ours, dolly, we was all going to work, and she said, the war is over, we haven't got to go into work today, and it is free on the underground, so we are going up west! we all went up so we are going up west! we all went up west, that is how i came to be there. and you obviously knew that a photograph had been taken at the time. oh, yes! but! photograph had been taken at the time. oh, yes! but i didn't know nothing else until somebody came into work on the friday, i think it was, and! into work on the friday, i think it was, and i said, you are in the picture post. that was the first time the photo was on show. and then how did you discover that the image had been used in a stamp more recently? my son found me, and he said, your photo is going to be a stamp, and! said, your photo is going to be a stamp, and i said, i don't believe a word you are saying. but it is true. when you first saw it, what did you make of it? uh... ijust can't believe it has happened, anyway. the thing about it, bette, if i may say, it is one of those pictures that is sojoyful to look at, it is one of those pictures that is so joyful to look at, from a time when clearly society was going through a very difficult time, and maybe that is the bit of equivalence with what we are going through now. yes. yes, definitely. how have things been for you? what, at the moment? yes. not too bad at all, it doesn't bother me too much. i have a little singalong all by myself. come on, i need to know now, what is your song that keeps your spirits up? pardon? what is the song that keeps your spirits up? there are no seeing as we go and let the world go by... here we go! i am very happy for you to give us one more line, this is your moment. # seeing as we go and let the world go # seeing as we go and let the world 9° by # seeing as we go, we marched along the highway # say goodbye to sorrow, there is a lwa ys # say goodbye to sorrow, there is always tomorrow there is no saying as #a as # a song and a smile makes like worthwhile #so worthwhile # so sing as you go along. # i love that, bette, you are getting a round of applause in the studio! lovely talking to you, you stay well, really nice chatting to you! thank you. that is how you do it, if you are isolating, sing, it'sjust naturally makes you feel better, there is a reason people send one in the shower. so ve day, the 75th anniversary is next week, please do send your pictures in, we would love to see a picture of you back then and one of you today. most weddings have been put on hold during the current situation. but where there's a will, and a wi—fi connection, there's a way. 0ne couple decided that true love couldn't wait, so they got married via the video conferencing platform zoom. let's take a look at the virtual ceremony. 0k, well, congratulations, you are about to make history. at st andrew's church, this is the first time we have ever done an online wedding. for the rest of the family who are watching, welcome to abu dhabi, where we're going to be celebrating the marriage of liam and solene. solene, i give you this ring. as a sign of our marriage. liam, i give you this ring. as a sign of our marriage. i therefore proclaim, with the authority given to me by the church, that you are husband and wife. you may kiss the bride! cheering. oh, 0h, solene and liam bekjoin us from abu dhabi, let me first say good morning and congratulations, how are you feeling? how is married life treating you? it is great, yeah, we have certainly spent a lot more time in each other 's company we thought we would! but yes, tolerating each other so far. how long have you been married now, to use words like tolerating? two weeks, but in a locked down environment, you can multiply that by ten! solene, how do you feel about that in terming i don't want to start any marital act, but i am don't want to start any marital act, butiama don't want to start any marital act, but i am a bit concerned? no, it is all good. tell us how this came about, you obviously couldn't get married in person, so you got in touch with who, how did you tell yourfamily? touch with who, how did you tell your family? ok, well, all the wedding plans has to be cancelled, wedding plans has to be cancelled, we had a church wedding planned here, and then we were going to have a big party in france in the summer. we had to cancel both of those, the church wedding was cancelled due to social distancing guidelines in the uae, and so we were very upset about that, solene in particular was very upset. and then she actually thought, she read something in the local press about online weddings for muslims, so she contacted the reverend at st andrew's and asked him if it might be possible to do something similar for us. so you manage to do that, time is against us, we arejust manage to do that, time is against us, we are just seeing the pictures of the celebrations, so you did get to have family celebrate with you both of you. yes, we got about 100 people joining, both of you. yes, we got about 100 peoplejoining, attending, who were the people we invited for the big ceremony and party injuly in france, which is going to be postponed. so it felt like... it felt like a real wedding, it felt like a real reception, and they hang over was pretty real as well! do you know what? the sign of a good wedding, always! you have brought us love and joy, i am glad you are tolerating each other! solene and liam bek, congratulations, thank you for talking to us. thanks, naga! we are back with you tomorrow from six o'clock. have a lovely day. this is bbc news with the latest headlines... the government says it's confident its target of 100,000 daily coronavirus tests by the end of april has been met. setting a challenging target was the right thing to do because it galvanised government and got thejob done 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