This is bbc world news, hello, this is breakfast with the headlines Charlie Stayt and Naga Munchetty. It is owed 30. Here is the summary of the morning cosmic mysteries to 0ur our main stories on the bbc news stop doctor are wearing that abides the Health Secretary has been a Personal Protective Equipment are criticised for suggesting some a Personal Protective Equipment are a dangerous low levels in parts of a healthcare criticised for suggesting some healthca re staff were criticised for suggesting some healthcare staff were misusing protective equipment. Matt hancock gun. The bma has accused the told yesterdays briefing that good morning. Everybody needs to treat ppe like a government of the chronic failure to welcome to breakfast with Naga Munchetty and charlie provide front line staff adequate stayt. Our headlines today Precious Resource. The government ppe. Yesterday the Health Secretary doctors accuse the government has faced mounting pressure over a said there was no netiquette to of a chronic failure to supply nhs staff with the right shortage of equipment like masks and everyone, that the hospitals will protective equipment. Well speak to the Health Secretary gloves. Receive a daily delivery of matt hancock just after 8 00. Supplies. We can speak to the health donica now is the chief executive of the easter message hits home as millions stick to social the Royal College of nursing. Thank secretary matt hancock now. Thank distancing rules, but the lockdown you for your time this morning. Faces its biggest test you for speaking to us on breakfast yet this weekend. This morning. Donna kiner. Your yesterday you said very clearly in the press conference there is enough the uk has hit its highest daily reaction to those comments by matt ppe to go around. Many people are death toll, but most patients hancock yesterday in relation to the are surviving coronavirus. Use of ppe by nhs staff . Well, i well hear some of their stories. Saying it does not reaching those who need it. What is the problem . ta ke offe nce use of ppe by nhs staff . Well, i take offence that actually, we are saying healthcare workers are set out a plan yesterday to get ppe sir Kenny Dalglish has tested abusing or overusing ppe. I think positive for the virus. The former liverpool player what we know is that we dont have and manager was taken to hospital to everybody who needs it. We to be treated for an unrelated enough supply and not enough regular infection, but then postive delivered in the last few weeks 761 supply of ppe. We are going to be for coronavirus, although his family
million pieces of ppe and the say hes showing no symptoms. Talking to matt hancock a little later on, just after eight oclock. But his words were is, everybody challenge has been to make sure that those deliveries get to every single should use the equipment they thanks, captain tom thanks, captain place, every Single Persons face, clinically need in line with the guidelines, no more and no less. Why tom yesterday we brought you the do you think he felt the need to say set of gloves to peoples hands over story of captain tom moore, who is trying to complete 100 laps of his 1. 4 garden before he turns 100. Today we that . Obviously he has been advised set of gloves to peoples hands over 1. A Million People in the nhs, and over 2 Million People who work in had a wonderful reaction from those that . Obviously he has been advised that some overuse of ppe going on, social care. So it is a herculean in the nhs. Good morning. Another largely dry but actually, in my experience and logistical effort. There has been a day ahead and again, it will be what i am hearing on a day to day warm, with temperatures into the basis, that simply isnt true. There massive effort, including with the mid 20s. Not dry across the board. Is in fact not enough ppe, so 0ne mid 20s. Not dry across the board. One or two showers around and they army, with private delivery businesses and with the nhs could be the odd thunderstorm later suffice to say we have nurses and this afternoon. Ill bring you all themselves. And now with local the details coming up shortly. Doctors and other healthcare workers working in communities, working in councils as well to help get ppe to social care. The challenge is one of its saturday the 11th of april. Our top story this morning doctors are accusing the Government Social care, delivering care to of putting the lives of frontline patients without the right distribution. At the same time we medics at risk by failing to give equipment. My inbox, on a daily them the protective are paying huge quantities from equipment they need. Later this morning well be speaking abroad, mostly from china, and to the Health Secretary, basis, this is the number one issue matt hancock. British companies are starting to notices are bringing to my make it. But the central challenge attention, that they dont have adequate supplies of ppe. Talk to is one of distribution rather than yesterday he insisted a herculean effort is being made to ensure nhs one of supply, and going, business
and care workers get me, donna kinnair, when you look in the supplies they need. Yourinbox we will be also be getting the views me, donna kinnair, when you look in your inbox and you hear these cries for help, talk to me in numbers. Of the Royal College of nursing. As usual, normal, relatively low thats just after 7 30. What do they need . We have first, this report from simonjones. Interviewed matt hancock before and he said that laurie loads are being levels of ppe distribution, to the unprecedented use of ppe now has delivered to nurses. Is a load 0n the front line in the fight been a big challenge and we have still got work to do. People enough . What numbers translate to against coronavirus. But the british understand it is a challenge but the safety . If you just think about it, bma for example are saying they are medical Association Says staff need tired of hearing about plans, what more equipment now, and if those there are 7a,000 people that have they want as a result. Can you be a treating the disease are not appropriately protected, the nhs bit more specific, because if faces a disaster. The government been identified with coronavirus. Now, in order to look after that delivery is the problem, what is the amount of people or even a fraction insists more than 700 million pieces nature of that problem, do you not of protective gear have already been of that amount of people, we need have enough drivers, not enough delivered. This is a herculean the right equipment, in whatever trucks . What is the reason why, if logistical effort. We have brought setting they are in. Healthcare professionals, whether they are the stock as there, it cant get to together the nhs, private industry nurses, doctors, physios, we can the stock as there, it cant get to the front line workers . It is a and the army, in fact the armed become vectors or transmitters of forces, to create a giant ppe this virus and therefore we need the question of complexity of logistics, protective equipment to stop us from so in the past, traditionally when Distribution Network on an doing that, but equally we are also unprecedented scale. That network is vulnerable ourselves. We know that 110w unprecedented scale. That network is now delivering daily to our ppe has been used largely for frontline heroes. Every nhs hospital there is no care delivered under a insta nce ppe has been used largely for instance in operating theatres but has received a delivery of critical foot away from somebody with not really in the rest of the covid 19, so actually, if you are hospitals, we have had to supply ppe ppe once every 72 hours, and over going to deliver care up close and
the next week, we are making a personal, you need to be protective to 226 organisations, and now daily. The latest daily death toll equipment in whatever setting you are in. How is this translating into has risen by a record 980 people. Because of coronavirus we have to supply ppe to 58,000 organisations. But is higher than spain and italys tone among the nurses you speak to . Worst days, and that number doesnt so setting up that logistical supply include people who have died of promises have been made, commitments so that ppe gets to everybody is have been made, goals have been set, coronavirus in care homes or in the targets have been set. Do they trust incredibly implicated. The number of community. It brings the total number of deaths in hospital in the people who have been raising uk to 8958. One of those to lose the government, do they trust matt concerns which we track obviously, hancock as Health Minister to deliver . We have seen in recent days that number has been following which their lives is east london doctor and weeks improvement in the is good news, that i wont rest delivery. But we are not there yet. Until everybody gets the ppe they abdul mulder chowdhury. He had raised concerns on social media need, because people who are on the so of course, as matt hancock about the lack of ppe. He was a front in the nhs and in social care himself says, there have been huge brave, courageous man, and that is effo rts himself says, there have been huge efforts to get the equipment out something he has passed on to us. He there. But actually, the nurses and are themselves putting themselves at risk in order to care for others, so saw that nhs workers didnt have it is ourjob to get this equipment. Enough ppe and he made the call for doctors on the ground, we need every that. Maybe at the time it didnt single one of those places to have in your press conference yesterday you said there was enough ppe to go get the attention it deserves, but the right equipment so they can deliver care to patients at the round only if it is used in line now, for sure, it will get the right time. We wont start to trust attention it deserves and were not with our guidelines, we need going to stop, we getting this eve ryo ne with our guidelines, we need everyone to treat ppe like the everywhere. The british medical until we are psychologically and physically safe. When do you think Association Says doctor chaudhry is Precious Resource that it is. This that will be, realistically . When we morning we spoke to the royal one of 11 doctors who have died. The couege morning we spoke to the Royal College of nurses Donna Kinnear and have the right equipment in every chief nursing officer wouldnt place that we are delivering care. She said, i take offence at nhs and
confirm the numbers, saying she and when you think will be . Well, my would need the permission of their families to talk about them. Some view is that it should be now. Ca re she said, i take offence at nhs and care workers she said, i take offence at nhs and ca re workers are she said, i take offence at nhs and care workers are abusing or hope is being taken from this graft, which it isnt. Which it isnt. And showing the number of occasions in overusing ppe. That is how she Critical Care appears to be as matt hancock has said, he is beginning to plateau. That it comes interpreted your comments. Well it with this warning. We are in a hoping to go to daily deliveries. We need to see that in effect now, so is really important to stress that dangerous phase, still, and i need that actually, we can have the right people use the protective equipment, to reinforce that again to you, but the right amount of it, so for this is not over. Thats why once equipment. Donna kinnair, last week again there are please for people to you are on bbcs question time. Matt insta nce the right amount of it, so for instance having looked at the stay at home this easter weekend, evidence, the guidance was changed, hancock was sitting with you in the with another woman sunny day studio and you brought up the fact with the support of the royal forecast. 0n the beach in brighton couege with the support of the Royal College of nursing and others last week, to say that you need, you can yesterday, some were still that the number of nurses who have died has not been counted, and at barbecuing. I would suggest every 50 that point, four doctors had died use a gown for a whole session, a metres they would be someone trying whole set rather than changing it to sunbathe on the beach. Whether and some nurses, in the words of thatis to sunbathe on the beach. Whether that is inadvertently not matt hancock. He said that when you understanding that they cannot be on when you treat individual patient. The beach, or that they shouldnt that is an important change, because be, we are having to explain to people that really, by one person keep asking for the stats on nurses it means that we get through them being down here it sets a bad which are ill, he said that you example, other people think they can havent had them, and he said he less quickly and it saves precious then come and take part as well. Would look into that. We would sort 0verall, locum people do seem to be that out. Those are his words. Has equipment. And so it is very staying at home. This was the scene he done that . I believe he has. I am important to stress that point. Im in scarborough. Keswick also aware of nurses who have been ill, not impugning anybody who works for resembled a ghost town. And patrols andi aware of nurses who have been ill, and i am aware of those in the in this park in birmingham were the nhs and i think they do an ensuring people stuck to social nursing family that have died. Amazing job. But what i am clearly we do need to do this, to distancing. Sitting on the bench, you are all right walking around, reiterating, stressing is the know this, so that we can monitor importance to use a right amount of but staying stationary. Are you from the same household . But the and look at them and look at these ppe, but to have enough and also to deaths to see if they could have government admits this easter will bea government admits this easter will been preventable, because theres no be a test of the nations resolved, with no end to the lockdown inside. Point in coming out of the situation use it as the Precious Resource that it is. Health secretary, you have lets speak now to our political and trying to understand afterwards. Correspondentjessica parker. The government is promising daily been very clear throughout this deliveries, but frontline staff say we need to understand in the moment. They need proof, not pledges process that trust is hugely and in the words of florence when will they see the equipment arrive . Nightingale, it was her observation important in the relationship between the government and people, that changed the face of medicine, and it was observing doctors going from patient to patient, medics in that equation also. Donna there are still many stories of kinnear at the Royal College of transferring the diseases and frontline staff saying they do not bacteria from patient to patient. We nursing we spoke to this morning have what they need . Addressed the issue of whether her frontline staff saying they do not have what they need . |i frontline staff saying they do not have what they need . I think if you have to understand what is happening in the face of this disease at this remember, quite recently, matt profession, nurses and front line hancock, when the government was moment in time and we will do that workers, still had trust in the under particular pressure over testing, the Health Secretary if we can analyse the deaths of presented this big new plan, this government. Just listen to what she new target of reaching 100,000 tests those in the nhs family. They are by the end of the month. Went some said. There have been huge efforts our colleagues, and we need to know to get the equipment out there, but way to at least temporarily and understand how we can prevent actually for nurses and doctors and alleviate the pressure that the others on the ground, we need every more deaths. So you want analysis, government was under on that issue. But just to be more deaths. So you want analysis, butjust to be clear, do you have i think the Health Secretary perhaps the numbers, of nhs workers who have single one of those places to have the right equipment so they can again trying to do that yesterday died . Are they now publicly with this issue of personal deliver care for those patients at available . They are not publicly the right time. So we wont start to protective equipment, things like
available. I have been kept abreast trust until we are psychologically masks and gloves and gowns, by the chief nurse when a death has resenting this 3 point plan. Talking and physically safe. Can i ask you happened, but i have not seen the about identifying who needs the ppe, publicly available at this time. Do to respond to that . I completely making sure it is distributed, and you think they should be . Yeah, i beating up supply, working with agree with donna about the need and i have been working with her on do. 0bviously different families suppliers both abroad and at home to will have different reactions to exactly this. I think Donna Kinnear make sure those supplies continue to that end we do not want to bridge does an amazing job leading the come in. The problem is, as you Royal College of nursing through one family confidentiality, however, we allude to, this potential sense of a should know, and look into, the of the most difficult challenges in mismatch. Yes, the government deaths of those in the nhs family. Acknowledging to have been issues, are you able to tell me, to give me particularly with distribution, but the peacetime history of nursing. They are also saying they are a number of those who have died in distributing millions of items of the nhs . I cant. Iwould she is an amazing woman who i have ppe, but then you still have reports a number of those who have died in the nhs . I cant. I would be enormous amounts of respect for and that some frontline workers are not estimating. So i wouldnt be able to give you a number at t