Transcripts For BBCNEWS BBC Newsroom Live 20170130 : compare

Transcripts For BBCNEWS BBC Newsroom Live 20170130

Good morning and welcome to bbc Newsroom Live. Downing street has rejected calls to cancel the state visit to the uk by President Trump, which is expected to ta ke President Trump, which is expected to take place this summer. An online Petition Calling on the Prime Minister to withdraw the invitation has gathered more than a million signatures. Government sources say it is in britains long term interest to maintain links with the us. Foreign secretary borisjohnson will give a statement to mps this afternoon after the us says britons who have shared nationality with one of the seven Middle Eastern and african countries would not be stopped from coming into america. The Uk Foreign Office has advised that only those dual nationals travelling from one of the blacklisted seven countries would be subject to extra checks and those travelling between the uk and us would not be affected. Thousands have gathered at us airports in protest at the measures. President trump says the ban is an interim measure. But Attorney Generals from 16 saito said they will fight what they call an order. Man chants no ban, no wall new york for all. In a country built by immigrants, many find Donald Trumps travel ban unpalatable. They took to the streets in cities across the nation, as the crackdown sparked chaotic scenes at some airports and prompted criticism from senior members of the president s own party. Neal behgooy and his wife underwent several hours of questioning after touching down in texas from iran. Over the weekend about 300 people were either prevented from travelling or detained. They asked her about her family, about her brothers and sisters and her parents. What they did. How long we stayed. President trump issued his controversial order without input from or giving notice to the Government Departments that will need to implement it, hence the concern of officials here and elsewhere in trying to interpret it in the face of a flurry of lawsuits and the concerns of leaders around the world. The Foreign Office says the ban only applies to people travelling to the us from one of the seven countries on the list. Travellers from the uk wont be affected and neither will uk citizens travelling from any of those seven countries to america, unless, that is, theyre joint citizens of one of the seven nations, in which case theyre likely to face additional checks. For all the confusion, mr trumps aides have deemed the travel ban a success, and they issued a Statement Seeking to dispel suggestions that it amounted to a ban on muslims. Whatever needs to be done, has to be done. This is for the safety of everybody. We are living in a dangerous world and Donald Trumps job is to protect the American People. We live in a democracy and of the majority of people feel threatened, we should be able to have things in place. Despite the backlash, donald trump knows that many of those who voted for him did so specifically because of his promise to combat the threat of so called radical islamic terrorism. To them, this just represents another promise kept. Norman smith is in westminsterfor us. Good morning. No sign of the controversy dying down final following Donald Trumps travel ban. There will be a statement to the House Of Commons this afternoon by borisjohnson. There are calls for an Emergency Debate. And the Petition Calling on the government to suspend the planned state visit has now had more than1 million signatures. Mps will decide tomorrow if that should be debated. Downing street are rebuffing any suggestion at the moment that the state visit should be scrapped. Their argument being that the invitation has been issued and accepted. Were they to withdraw it, they say that would undo everything that theresa may has achieved during her visit to washington. This morning, the Foreign Secretary was tackled over the trump travel ban. I will be speaking later this afternoon in the commons. You will have a statement later on. Should mr trump be banned from coming to the uk . Will be talking to you in the House Of Commons. That is place. Be there. What about the clarification you were given at the weekend . would ask you to be so kind as to contain your impatience. Rather less forthcoming was the Prime Minister, in cardiff to attend a joint Ministerial Council with the leaders of the welsh and scottish assemblies. She was loquacious on the subject. Should President Trumps state visit go ahead . Will you condemn his Immigration Policy . No response from the Prime Minister. Meanwhile, labour have stepped up the pressure, with Shadow Attorney General Shami Chakrabarti accusing theresa may of appeasement. We should not be rewarding Human Rights Abuses by rolling out the red carpet in this country. Theresa may has said america is a huge and important ally and Great Britain needs to think long term. Ally and Great Britain needs to think longterm. Im afraid that sounds like appeasement to me. The word is in a very precarious situation at the moment and we will not make this world a safer or fairer by appeasing bullies like mr trump. Im joined by fairer by appeasing bullies like mr trump. Imjoined by the chair fairer by appeasing bullies like mr trump. Im joined by the chair of the Home Affairs Select committee, yvette cooper. This is all synthetic indignation. We knew President Trump was going to do this. He is doing it. I think what doing is very dangerous, to say that he will have a Ban On Refugees and target muslims in the way that he is doing, i think has huge repercussions notjust in america but across the world. Implications for the Geneva Convention on refugees, but also the whipping up prejudice and hatred. He signed this order on Holocaust Memorial day, a day on which we should be reminded for the reasons for speaking out against hatred. That is why it is so important that countries across the world, as well as so many countries across the world, as well as so many people across the United States, are speaking out against what he is doing. Downing street say they are standing by the invitation. Realistically, the invitation couldnt be withdrawn now, could it . You are right to say that some of the signs of what President Trump is doing what they are on the campaign. I think theresa may was unwise to have offered such an early ceremonial state visit to President Trump in the first place, without knowing quite what he was going to do and where he might take things, and what really Dangerous Things he might enterup doing. And what really Dangerous Things he might enter up doing. Of course you need meetings between heads of government. The Prime Minister and the president needs to be able to meet, maybe in the United States, maybe here or elsewhere. But to accord a ceremonial state visit at this time would be very inappropriate, very wrong. And youve seen the strength of feeling there is. If you were in government now, surely it would be impossible to rescind the state visit because of the damage it would do to us uk relations . Like it or not, the visit will go ahead. I think a lot of damage would be done by trying to hold a ceremonial state visit in the circumstances. Of course they can have meetings. Of course President Trump should be able to come to britain to have those discussions, so we can britain to have those discussions, so we can make those points to him as part of democratic debate, so we can argue and so as part of democratic debate, so we can argue and so we can put as part of democratic debate, so we can argue and so we can put the pressure 011. Can argue and so we can put the pressure on. But the problem with a ceremonial state visit is that it is a celebration of french ship and shared values, at a time when President Trump is ripping up some of those shared values. I dont think it is right there for two accord him the sort of privileges of accord him the sort of privileges of a state visit and all of the with that, and that i think, would be seen that, and that i think, would be seen as an endorsement that, and that i think, would be seen as an endorsement of some that, and that i think, would be seen as an endorsement of some very seen as an endorsement of some very damaging seen as an endorsement of some very damaging things he is doing. And yet the policy itself only applies to seven out of Something Like a0 muslim majority countries. Its only in force for 90 days. Is it really so controversial . I think it is extremely damaging, yes. It is built on prejudice. The countries he has chosen are based on being muslim countries. We know that this is what he sees as the fulfilment of the muslim ban he called for. What are we saying to british muslims across this country if we are not prepared to speak out against this . That is what he is starting, that is what he has done in his first few weeks. People are prepared to stand up and speak out. What will happen next . What do people think its acceptable Going Forward . At a time when there has been so Much Division and some the tension is notjust across america but across the world, it is really important to challenge these kind of thing based on prejudice. For a country built on refugees coming to the United States over very many generations, to turn its back on all refugees, i think is a tragedy. Yvette cooper, thank you. That statement by Boris Johnson, tragedy. Yvette cooper, thank you. That statement by borisjohnson, we are expecting that about 3 30pm. And when that is over, we should expect a ruling from the speaker as to whether to allow a subsequent Emergency Debate. If granted, that roll on for another couple of hours. There could be considerable debate in the commons this afternoon. We will have coverage of that. A little bit more detail on the travel ban and how it is affecting people in other countries. We are just hearing, via the Facebook Page of the us embassy in berlin, that it is advising nationals and dual nationals of iraq, syria, somalia, yemen. Not to apply to visas for the us as Visa Issuance has been suspended. It seems that in germany the situation that is applying there, and the one with National Dual nationality with those countries, travelling here would be 0k. It is countries, travelling here would be ok. It is not the same in germany. There is a lack of clarity in how it is actually being applied. The us embassy in berlin is saying that the issuance has been suspended for a dual nationals of those country. Initially green card holders were exempt. Then it didnt. It has been a fluid situation. We will keep you updated. Our correspondent, alex forsyth, has spent the morning at the un refugee offices in beirut, on the first working day after trumps ban has come into force. Im at the un refugee agencys reception centre, always a busy place. Busy this morning. Among the people that have come here to talk to the un about their prospects, there is a sense of hopelessness among some, the news coming out of america. Of those refugees in lebanon, only a small proportion would have been resettled in the us. Still, people are feeling there has been another door closed. With me is kathleen from the Un International refugee assistance project. What are you hearing about the impact of this Executive Order . We provide legal aid to refugees in resettlement. Many of our clients are devastated. These are people who have worked with american forces, many people who have us Citizen Family members. There have been lengthy and rigorous process applying for entry into the United States. At the last stages they are being told this option no longer exists. President trump us claim is there has to be better vetting. Do you accept that . My experience has been that when people are afraid of Refugee Admissions, they dont know the details of the process. When they examine it further, they change their mind about refugees. Refugees entering the United States are the most abetted individuals who will ever enter the country. They go through rigorous interviews, have biodata taken and that is run through databases at fbi, the department of defence. These agencies are not messing around. If anything comes macro messing around. If anything comes macro comes up messing around. If anything comes macro comes up that s affiliation with a terror organisation, that application will be immediately halted. The number of refugees who have resettled in the us isa refugees who have resettled in the us is a small proportion of the total number of refugees. The symbolism aside, will this have a big impact . The impact is devastating. The thing to understand about Refugee Admissions is that only 1 of refugees worldwide will be resettled. Most of them will have to make do in the country their first lead to. But that 1 , that have typically enter the United States. That door is no longer open to them. These are the most at risk refugees in the world. That is why they are being considered for resettlement in the first place. Thank you. A sense from people that there is an element of keep confusion about what this will mean for individuals. People here are feeling angry and hopeless about the prospect of leaving lebanon and other countries in the region and starting a new life in the us. Kate allen, the director of Amnesty International uk, joins me. What do you think about this Travel Ban Due i think it is shocking. you think about this Travel Ban Due i think it is shocking. I think it is an appalling thing that President Trump as enacted over the weekend. It isa trump as enacted over the weekend. It is a travel ban against seven majority muslim countries, but it is also, as you havejust majority muslim countries, but it is also, as you have just heard from the unhcr official in lebanon, it is a block on all refugees entering the United States. At this stage and at a time when we are in the worst Refugee Crisis since the end of the second world war, we have seen the United States close its doors. And although President Trump says this isa although President Trump says this is a temporary ban, ourfears must be that becomes permanent and other countries start to follow. It is something we deed really do need to oppose. It is a time when we need to oppose. It is a time when we need to stand up for the values we support. That is why amnesty will be calling upon our government to do everything we can to change this policy, to oppose it. And why i am so pleased that people across the uk will be demonstrating today, to say that they are standing up for the values of supporting refugees, and making sure that we make our voice is very clear at this time. You say that your fears are that this becomes a permanent situation, but donald trump has been explicit in saying it is temporary, it is being done what secure policies are put in place to in order to protect the safety of americans, and that visas will be issued once again once security has been reviewed . You heard from the unhcr official in lebanon about the process by which people get refugee status. Before a refugee sets foot in the United States, they have gone through that process. It takes between 18 and 2a months. It is hugely rigorous. It involves intelligence and security agencies. I am involves intelligence and security agencies. Iam not involves intelligence and security agencies. I am not sure how we make that a stronger process. It feels to me that President Trump is either not listening to his advisers, or he is absolutely specifically closing the doors to refugees, and we need to fear that that continues. The devastation of it is enormous. These are some of the most vulnerable refugees. Of all the refugees in the world, the people that get resettlement, half into the

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