Hello, im katty kay in washington. Christian fraser is in london. Its 3pm here in washington the last polls closed 1a hours ago, and we still dont have a winner. Joe biden is now 32 Electoral College votes of winning the white house, while President Trump needs 58 to push him over the line. In the seven states the bbc is yet to project, the Biden Campaign is optimistic in enough of them that matter. But last night, mr trump also claimed victory although hes now said the margins he was winning in key states have dissappeared as if by magic. Whichever way the cookie crumbles, President Trump has already won three million more votes than he did in 2016. No blue wave materialised. Americas future still hangs in the balance. So lets go have a look at the board. It has changed significantly in the last few hours. When i left here at 9am, these key states in the midwest, wisconsin and michigan, we re midwest, wisconsin and michigan, were in the red column, as was pennsylvania, heavily. But through the course of the morning, as more and more of these mail in ballots have counted, they have been tipped towards joe have counted, they have been tipped towardsjoe biden. Have counted, they have been tipped towards joe biden. What have counted, they have been tipped towardsjoe biden. What i am good to do is take you through the map in an anticlockwise fashion, to get a clear idea were the race is. We are can assert in North Carolina, were 96 of that vote has already been counted, during a 27,000 votes to be counted, and Donald Trumps lee december lead is 70,000. We can say that one is leaning donald trump. George isa one is leaning donald trump. George is a different story, still quite a lot forjoe biden to do. He is 79,000 votes ahead, donald trump, and where the votes to count . They are in the atlanta suburbs, up in the sort of Northeast Corner of georgia, so in areas where democrats could do quite well. And remember, they are processing the absentee ballots, so when you look at the absentee ballots, you see that it heavily skews forjoe biden. I think it is leaning just slightly towards donald trump, but that one very much in the balance, 0k . Arizona is a different story. 0k, arizona, they have counted 88 of the vote. I am looking at my figures here, i can see theyre still around 15 of the vote to come in maricopa, which is the area around phoenix. It leans heavily towards joe biden, the area around phoenix. It leans heavily towardsjoe biden, 52 46. There is also some of the count on the border in pima county to vote, which heavily liens joe biden. The border in pima county to vote, which heavily liensjoe biden. What about nevada . Which heavily liensjoe biden. What about nevada . 2007000 votes still to count in the fatah, there are two big urban areas, there is clark cou nty big urban areas, there is clark county which essentially is las vegas, there is about 84 of the vote counted in las vegas. That means 53 45 to joe vote counted in las vegas. That means 53 45 tojoe biden. The other is reno, washoe county. They are counting that, it leans heavily towards joe counting that, it leans heavily towardsjoe biden. Counting that, it leans heavily towards joe biden. We counting that, it leans heavily towardsjoe biden. We are putting that slightly into the blue column, then. A lot to decide still in nevada, the data looking partey good. Wisconsin, 99 of the vote counted, our sister station cbs have just called this in the last 15 minutes, so we can probably put this in blue. It is within the margin, joe bidens lead is 20,000. That is under i , donald trump well within his rights legally to count for a recount, call for a recount in wisconsin, that is what he is going to do. Michigan, lets have a quick look at michigan. We have around 81,000 votes to count in michigan, and most of those are in wayne county, which is around detroit. That goes 67 31 for county, which is around detroit. That goes 67 31forjoe biden. 81 of the vote counted in wayne county, but if i show you the absentee ballot, processed today, they are processing through it, leans heavily towards joe processing through it, leans heavily towardsjoe biden, processing through it, leans heavily towards joe biden, so processing through it, leans heavily towardsjoe biden, so you see white michigan and pennsylvania, wejust can do pennsylvania. 1,300,000 votes to count, trump has a lead, but again they are counting in areas where joe but again they are counting in areas wherejoe biden but again they are counting in areas where joe biden does but again they are counting in areas wherejoe biden does pretty well delaware county, philadelphia county, Allegheny County so there is still about 30 of the budget, each of those counties. Absentee vote, there is not really a tradition in pennsylvania, but youll see that it does break heavily forjoe biden post has to 90, heavily forjoe biden post has to go, though, in pennsylvania. Here is like pence venue does not matter. Lets go back to our map and colour in some of these, you will see why philadelphia and pets vania not as important any more. And pennsylvania for that put North Carolina into red. I said it was leaning towards donald trump. We will put georgia in red, leaning towards donald trump. We are going towards donald trump. We are going to put arizona in blue. They are not conceding this, the Trump Campaign, but it is leaning heavily towards joe biden, so too nevada. We could put wisconsin in blue because they just called that, cbs. Also, fox news has called that, so that is in blue pending the recount. Michigan going more and more towardsjoe biden. And there we are 270. He does not even need pennsylvania at this moment to get over that line, and that is why katty and i were saying, if you were with us in the middle of the night, why that was so important, and nebraska too. If we have that any balance and give that to donald trump, that is the chaotic scenario, because we can put alaska infor scenario, because we can put alaska in for donald trump, 0k, and scenario, because we can put alaska infor donald trump, 0k, and if scenario, because we can put alaska in for donald trump, 0k, and if he wins nebraska two, 269 269. A whole lot of chaos. Butjoe biden is home with these states and pennsylvania does not matter to him. I have two questions for you. Did you get any sleepless night, and if you did, we re sleepless night, and if you did, were you dreaming about the number 270 and the electoral maps . I could not get that idea out of my head, the 269269 not get that idea out of my head, the 269 269 result, whoever came up with the idea of a type needs a talking to. Can ijust quickly chat about this recount business, christian . We know that the Trump Campaign has already asked for a recount in wisconsin, back in the 2016 election, the green party candidate, jill stein, called for recou nts candidate, jill stein, called for recounts in wisconsin, michigan and pennsylvania. It is not at all unprecedented. As you said, the candidates are quite within their rights when it is very slim margins, as the states are, to call for recounts. Does that mean in terms of. We are putting it up that cbs is calling wisconsin forjoe biden, but the Trump Campaign say they want a recount. Do we have to take it back on the board ain . We have to take it back on the board again . What is the process . We are speaking to some officials later on, so speaking to some officials later on, so they might have more clarity on this, but doesnt mean we are to put yet more hold on things . There certainly is uncertainty. That margin is roughly the margin that Hillary Clinton lost wisconsin by 2016 and she conceded wisconsin, but hes legally within his rights, as hes legally within his rights, as he is in any state where the lead is within. 1 of the two candidates, and so, yeah, he is well within his legal rights to do that. The fact of the matter is, they dontjust start recounting right now because what you have to get from each of the counties is official certification of the count theyve already processed, and that could take several days. We could be into, ive seen dates of the 12 for the 15th of november, next week, so it is going to hang any balance and the of Donald Trumps that we watched at the early hours of the morning, when he came out to say that the vote was being taken away from him is that he is going to contest everything. They are contesting arizona, they contesting nevada. Iam are contesting arizona, they contesting nevada. I am showing you the maths in nevada and arizona for some looks difficult i know when fox news called arizona, for. The white house called and they said, ta ke white house called and they said, take that off the board, because they know without nevada and arizona, the president is finished, because he might win pennsylvania but then he needs one of the other big states. And there is some inconsistent here because the white house called for the voting arizona to carry on being counted, while that has been calling for a stop to the count as we heard last night from the president and some of those states up in the rust belt. Lets go over to white house. 0ur senior north america reporter anthony zurcher. Not any white house in the bureau there. Anthony, it has been a very long night. 3pm in the afternoon here on the east coast, what is your ta ke here on the east coast, what is your take away . Which way do you think this is going . At this point, it seems like momentum is heading towards joe seems like momentum is heading towardsjoe biden. Seems like momentum is heading towards joe biden. When seems like momentum is heading towardsjoe biden. When we were talking overnight, but we were looking at was donald trump having leads in states like wisconsin, michigan and pennsylvania, we were wondering, there are boats out there remaining to be counted. Are there enough votes out there in favour of joe biden that he can class way back oii joe biden that he can class way back on top . And about 4 30am this morning, joe biden did exactly that in wisconsin, at 6am this morning, joe biden did that in michigan. Wisconsin has been called forjoe biden. Now michigan is trending his way. Pennsylvania is a heavier lift, but description put it out, there are a lot of ballots that look like theyre going to go over warmly to joe biden remaining to be counting, and if that is the case, joe biden could even pull ahead and pennsylvania, but the bottom line is joe biden does not have to lead anywhere any more. He is had in michigan, he is ahead in arizona, he is ahead in nevada for all he has to do is hold on their and he will be the next president. 0r do is hold on their and he will be the next president. Or he could pick up the next president. Or he could pick up pennsylvania, pick up georgia and hedges bets a little bit. There are more paths now forjoe biden the donald trump. Donald trump has to be perfect and that is something joe biden does not have to now. In the early hours of the morning, donald trump said they were going to launch a supreme trump said they were going to launch a Supreme Court challenge, but katty has highlighted the intellectual inconsistency, really full study cannot say, lets stop the 0kanese midwest states, but keep looking down in nevada and arizona, there must be some boats down here for us. Surely the Supreme Court looks at that and says it cannot be one or the other. Right. Back in 2000, if you remember, during the big controversy in florida, the race between al gore and George W Bush was also close in new mexico, but George W Bushs site decided not to contest that new mexico result, because they did not want to seem hypocritical about pushing for a recount in one area and not pushing for a recount in another state. Here i think donald trump and his campaign have no problems with allegations of hypocrisy, they purely looking at this from a word we have it managed . Work we press our bench in each state . Theyre gonna fight every single one of them in whichever way they think they can prevail. Anthony zurcher, thank you very much, lets go to wilmington, delaware, where joe biden very much, lets go to wilmington, delaware, wherejoe biden is going to be speaking any moment now. The bbc cosmic Barbara Plett usher is there. We heard joe biden in middle of the night, speaking before the president did, calling on everybody to be patient. Now that the president has already started to launch lawsuits, trying to get a recount in wisconsin and came out in the middle of the night indeed saying that he believed he had already won the president , credential election, do you expect a different tone from the Biden Campaign . I think he will probably still call for a bit of patience, but the campaign has already this morning very much clearly said it believes thatjoe morning very much clearly said it believes that joe biden morning very much clearly said it believes thatjoe biden has morning very much clearly said it believes that joe biden has won the presidency. They said, similarto anthony was saying, wisconsin, mr biden was in the lead. That has since been called. He was in the lead in michigan. They expect that to be clear by the end of the day. They expect them to hold onto nevada. They believe they will take pennsylvania, although they dont need to, and they told us they believe they will have 270 electoral couege believe they will have 270 Electoral College votes by the end of the day, so College Votes by the end of the day, so they came out sounding quite confident about that. When mr biden speaks, i would look section to arrive shortly, Kamala Harris has just come, her motorcade hasjust passed by, and we expect mr biden to passed by, and we expect mr biden to pass by shortly, he will give us an update we understand on the situation, speak board more more definitively about the state of the race in the states. He will not declare victory, that is not what we have been led to believe, but i expect he will express a similar confidence that he is going to be the next president of the United States, and his team has also signalled very strongly that they are prepared to face the republicans in court forany are prepared to face the republicans in court for any legal challenges. That is the point, isnt it, barbara . When you say he is going to saveit barbara . When you say he is going to save it separately that they will challenge anything that the republicans lay down, some of the democrats that we have talked to overnight were saying, he really needs to lead from the front on this, the leg which has to be a very strong, is equally strong as the language we have heard from the other side, from donald trump. Yeah, i think hes going to choose language that will try not to diminish peoples faith in the credibility of the electoral system. His campaign was asked about this morning, if he declares that he is the winner, if you is not diminishing peoples belief in the cut ability of the election system . I think he will choose his words carefully, but asi as i have said, theyve already said they believe they have won enough electoral votes. This is going to drag on for a while, as you have explained, with the legal challenges, devote recount so on, and the democrats have been purring for that since 2000, when they felt that the republicans legal tactics had outmaneuvered them, so they are ina had outmaneuvered them, so they are in a position to do that. I think what we will need to be looking for in the next, maybe not the next days but weeks, is what mr biden will do well this is ongoing for some of the ta ke well this is ongoing for some of the take steps to start a transition . Will he start to name people he believes should be his cabinet appointments . And sort of behave as if he is the president elect . That is going be something to watch. But asi is going be something to watch. But as i said, the campaign itself came out quite strongly this morning, saying that they dont believe that donald trump has a case and that they are quite prepared to challenge him at every level. Barbara in delaware, take you very much indeed for that. The legal challenge, should it come, as we anticipated welcome will be about what a legal ballot is. We should remind our viewers, those ballots they are counting today are those that may have been cast before polling day for some these are the mail ballots that are every bit as legitimate as the in person, on the day vote that was counted yesterday, and we should also remind people that donald trump encouraged his supporters to turn up at the polls, he talked about the mailing filled being rigged, whereas the democrats were much more cautious with their vote, encouraged them to use every element of voting that they could, whether those early in person voting or mail in voting because they did not want to put that risk to the pandemic for stock this is what we were expecting right from the get go, and we should also stress, shouldnt we, that in michigan, in wisconsin and pencil venue, state law stipulates that you cannot open these mail in ballots until the day of the election, and you have said to the course of the night how complicated that processing of the ballots is . Yeah, and it is also completed because each state has slightly different rules, and each county in each state can have slightly different rules, so can have slightly different rules, so in pennsylvania for example, some counties in the states tonic states started counting the ballots on tuesday morning, at the polls open on election day, some states in pennsylvania did not start those ballots until wednesday come so you can see why it is confusion. It is understandable that everybody is confused, im a little confused by the process, because you have to not know just the the process, because you have to not knowjust the rules the process, because you have to not know just the rules for the country, you have to know the rules for the state. And the rest for the county. And youre right about the process, it is time consuming and it is labour intensive, because everything one of those ballots, youve got to open the envelope. In the case of pennsylvania, youve got to open a second envelope outside the envelope as well, youve got to unfold the piece of paper, youve got to scan that ballot and check the signature, the signature on the mailing out has to match the signature that is on the registry, and you can never havent left alone with one person, there have to be two people with