Transcripts For BBCNEWS BBC News At Five 20170412 : comparem

Transcripts For BBCNEWS BBC News At Five 20170412

And the First Lady Melania Trump receives an apology and damages from the daily mail over allegations about her work as a model. A meeting is underway in moscow between russian president Vladimir Putin and us Secretary Of State Rex Tillerson just hours after President Putin claimed relations between the two countries was at its lowest ebb since the end of the cold war. Earlier Rex Tillerson held talks with his russian counterpart Sergei Lavrov. Rex tillerson wants russia to withdraw support for president assad following the chemical attack ona assad following the chemical attack on a rebel town which killed more than 80 people. Our correspondence is travelling with Rex Tillerson and sent this report. This is not the kind of meeting that once seemed to be on the card. Long gone talk of a grand resetting of relations with russia, producing is encouraged by donald trump was replaced by tensions over the Chemical Weapons attack in syria and russian anger over the military response from america. Translation is important for us to understand your intentions. The intentions of the us and the real intentions of this administration. The theft of state said both sides have some explaining to do. We can further clarifying areas of common objectives, of common interest, even when tactical approaches may be different. And to further clarify areas of sharp difference so we can better understand why these differences exist. The Trump Administration has raised the stakes by publicly and strongly blaming russia for the actions of its syrian ally. It is a major shift in approach and not clear what the larger strategy is. Relations have never been easy but moscow says they have not been this low since the end of the cold war. The strike on a Syrian Air Base seemed like a game changer but the americans said they we re changer but the americans said they were taking a stand against the use of Weapons Of Mass Destruction and not taking sides in the civil war. Yet President Trump is now pressing the russians to back away from support for the syrian leader bashar al assad. Support for the syrian leader bashar alassad. Frankly putin is backing a person that is truly an evil person andl person that is truly an evil person and i think it is bad for russia, bad for mankind and very bad for this world. That has reinvigorated Western Allies who met yesterday. Theyre hoping this means the us will make a more forceful step in pushing for a solution. But in moscow President Putin has only deepened his show of solidarity with assad and blames the rebels for the chemical attack. The relationship between the us and russia is as bad as it has been in a long time in the aftermath of these air strikes. Russia is of course a key backer of assad and Rex Tillerson is going over with the hope he can somehow persuade russia of the critical importance of the us and russia not come into conflict in syria. Rex tillerson has a lot of experience working with the kremlin but in Cutting Business deals when he was head of energy firm exxon mobil. His task as the american top diplomat is a whole different matter and this trip will be an important test of whether he is up to the challenge. Lets just take you to that News Conference is scheduled to begin in the last hour but clearly delayed with news that the meeting about underway between president clinton and Rex Tillerson. Also attended by Sergei Lavrov we understand. We can speak now to the news editor of bbc russia. Vladimir putin is involved in talks and that must be a positive . The understanding is that he would not meet Rex Tillerson and generally the visit to moscow was under question altogether. But at the moment they are meeting which is good but there is a long way before we can get closer to any possible agreement at all. That said, for Vladimir Putin it is all going his way of the moment. Can he afford to bea way of the moment. Can he afford to be a bit more magnanimous perhaps . Magnanimous is not the way to describe the tactic, the political clout they use when they deal with abroad. Russia has invested too much in syria and the assad regime to give up and to compromise too much to the americans and the west. 0n the other hand the us is watching how dominant russia is becoming in the middle east and syria as now it is time perhaps for russia to leave some site some space for the us. The russians are frustrated with the west, and it is about what would happen if the west got its way and removed assad. Well there is a point, there has to be a plan if you move someone out of power, point, there has to be a plan if you move someone out of power, what will fill the vacuum. Weve seen what happened in iraq and libya. And that is what the russians have always said. The point is there has got to bea said. The point is there has got to be a plan and seems to be nothing like a plan at all. The Body Language is going to be important because Rex Tillerson is known but not as a diplomat, which she now is. So it is going to be interesting to see how the role changes. Well he has been dealing with russia for quite some time and he knows how to negotiate with the russians. He is probably not a personal friend of mr putin but he was awarded a medal of friendship and so that is quite important. The fact that mr putin has also actually met him is also important. We lived in the Body Language from Sergei Lavrov, smiling and quite relaxed, so i understand the businessman and Master Dealer will meet and have something to discuss. And possibly with a positive result. For now, thank you very much. Pj crowley was an assistant Secretary Of State under president 0bama. He now teaches Public Diplomacy and Crisis Communications at George Washington university. Do you think the fact that there is this meeting now between president clinton and Rex Tillerson suggests there may be room for progress. Clinton and Rex Tillerson suggests there may be room for progresslj think there may be room for progress. think it is important, i think it is a useful meeting, i would not necessarily suggest it is an indication of progress. Barbara a moment ago talk about the past of Rex Tillerson as a deal maker but here it is unclear that there is a deal to be made. Prior to coming to moscow Rex Tillerson said he wanted to see if russia would make a different choice. The fact is russia made a different choice and number of years ago when it chose to back the assad regime and theres no indication that russia is going to change that view. In fact the russian strategy has been successful from their point of view, assad is a Fa Ct Of Life from their point of view, assad is a fact of life in syria and notwithstanding the setback of the Chemical Weapons and the us strike, there is no indication hes going to leave the scene any time soon. President putin some would say appears to be running rings around everybody because after the chemical attack he pointed out that actually this had a familiar ring of the wmd debate before the iraq war and he questioned what the west would want after an assad regime and he appears to say anyway that he knows better than they do what would happen. think for russia, the nuns is better than the unknown and that is a fair point. When you talk about the Syrian Opposition and the west and support for the Syrian Opposition we do not see a clear alternative to assad. We see alternatives, but not the case of if not him then what. For russia then what is chaos and they think in the broader fight against violent political extremism thatis against violent political extremism that is the worst thing you could do. I do think the Trump Administration has turned the corner, the rhetoric, that a number of figures including nikki haley had been using in trying to oppose impose a cost on russia for its blind support for assad and try to rush on the defensive. I think that isa rush on the defensive. I think that is a worthy strategy but it does not necessarily mean that russia is going to change its point of view. It isa going to change its point of view. It is a difficult strategy because donald trump criticised the 0bama regime about a red line being crossed and no action being taken. He wrote a book about it. But in terms of what happened last week, donald trump was that a game changer, the american response . donald trump was that a game changer, the american response . I do not think it was and on the one hand the administration was clear that this was for a specific person, a specific purpose, to deny syria the use of Chemical Weapons in the syrian war. And in Factjames Madison reinforced that line yesterday. I do think it is interesting that donald trump in his most interesting that donald trump in his m ost rece nt interesting that donald trump in his most recent interview spoke about the fact that assad is an evil person. That has been clear for a number of years. But i wonder if he is backing himself into the same frustrating corner that barack 0bama found himself in in saying rightfully that there is no future in syria led by assad. But not having a clear path as to how to actually change the status quo on the ground. Is thisjust then a pr exercise . I do not think it is, it is important to keep the channel of communication open between the us and russia. It is a significant relationship, it is going to have to be managed. I think this is going to be managed. I think this is going to bea be managed. I think this is going to be a test of Crisis Management over the next four years. Certainly the events of the recent past has dented the Trump Administration narrative that there can be a constructive relationship between the United States and russia. Perhaps donald trump is beginning to recognise the bad things to be highly unlikely, it does not necessarily make the us choices any easier to take. We are waiting for this News Conference, we have already discussed the Body Language. Rex tillerson is a known quantity to Sergei Lavrov and President Putin, what do we want to see, a lot of smiling . I think the opposite. Certainly as we have seen prior to the meeting between Rex Tillerson and Sergei Lavrov, Sergei Lavrov started quickly in terms of restating the russian view that the us strikes were illegal and they do not want to see a repetition of that. Rex tillerson has got to be more forceful in public in reinforcing the United States points of view. That has not been his experience in a first couple of months in thejob, hes experience in a first couple of months in the job, hes tried to ta ke months in the job, hes tried to take a lower key approach to being Secretary Of State and now this is the moment wearer as Sergei Lavrov bushes, Rex Tillerson is going to have to aggressively pushed back. Thank you very much. The moment where as Sergei Lavrov pushes. The Health Secretaryjeremy hunt has ordered a review at an nhs trust, after concerns were raised over a cluster of baby deaths. The bbc has learned there have been at least 7 avoidable deaths over 20 months within the shrewsbury and Telford Hospital trust in shropshire. Five of the deaths were contributed to by the same problem a failure to properly monitor the babys heart rate during labour. In response, the trust say their Mortality Levels are in line with the national average. 0ur correspondent, michael buchanan, has this exclusive report. Basic errors of this trust have caused healthy babies to die. As a mother i do not want to feel this, i do not want any other mother or father to put the lid on gotham. Promises to learn lessons have not been kept. They were interpreting my heart rate as her heart rate. They missed the opportunity to see that there was any distress. But now a family long denied justice themselves have prompted the Health Secretary to act. How many more babies need to die at this trust before someone somewhere says enough is enough. We now need to investigate. It is all ive got left. Bits of hair is not enough. A memory box is all that kellyjones has offered twin girls. Her daughters were stillborn in 2014, the trust admitted that the deaths we re the trust admitted that the deaths were avoidable. But failed to spot their heart rates were deteriorating so their heart rates were deteriorating so the twins suffered fatal brain injuries. That midwife came in crying saying, im so sorry, im so sorry. Too late. Damage is done. My girls are gone. Hospital staff ignored kellys repeated calls for them to deliver the twins leaving her now utterly bereft. They had for missed opportunities to deliver my girls. And they did not. So now i get to spend the rest of my life going, what if, what if. Following the death of the twins the shrewsbury and Telford Hospital trust promised kelly that they had improved how they monitored Baby Heart Rates during labour but the m ista kes heart rates during labour but the mistakes continued. Errors with little Heart Monitoring contributed to the deaths of five healthy babies. The most recent of which was ivy morris. I never saw her smile, it wasjust something ivy morris. I never saw her smile, it was just something that she could not do. Ivy died last may aged just four months. A brain injury at birth gave her a little quality of life. The hospital had mistaken her Mother S Heartbeat for her daughters and failed to spot the baby was in distress. I have had an apology from the hospital, i had assurances that this will not happen again and i acce pt this will not happen again and i accept those. But other families have had those assurances and those apologies. And if they were followed up apologies. And if they were followed up in the way that they said they would, in the way they had assured those families then i would not be sitting here talking to you and i would have my daughter. Foetal Heart Monitors are commonly used in women in labourto monitors are commonly used in women in labour to ensure that the baby is not in distress. Mistakes are made but the repeated errors at the shrewsbury and Telford Hospital trust have prompted the Health Secretary into taking action. Jeremy hunt has ordered a review of death that other maternity units, a move prompted by the tireless campaigning of one family. Richard and rhiannon has fought the trust for years following the avoidable death of their daughter kate. Isabella s big sister died in 2009 the following numerous mistakes during labour. After seven yea rs numerous mistakes during labour. After seven years of fighting their determination eventually got them a full apology. They say the trust could have avoided more deaths if they had not been ignored. They have not just killed my they had not been ignored. They have notjust killed my daughter, they have disregarded the value of her life, her memory, her life had value and meaning because there was so much from it that they could have learned and improved on. The shrewsbury and tougher trust have promised they will cooperate fully with the upcoming enquiry. The medical director admitted to me they had made mistakes. Sadly there are cases where losses occur. What families expect when that occurs as a minimum is that lessons are learned. I would acknowledge that in the case of foetal heart rate monitoring, we have identified a number of cases where that has not been fully implemented and where we have lent both in terms of human error and in terms of analysis of monitoring. Too many families have been failed by this trust. The upcoming review will hopefully stop such upcoming review will hopefully stop such unnecessary upcoming review will hopefully stop such unnecessary heartache. This is Bbc News At Five the headlines. The us Secretary Of State and President Putin meet in moscow following comments by putin over at the deter

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