and clearly this hasn't been made up, she clearly raised it, the government acknowledges she raised it at the time. you know, mark spencer says he didn't use these words and he saying it is defamatory, and she has clearly raised in a previous form whether it is anything to do with mark spencer or someone else. but she is making it public now, and we are in the middle of one of the most dangerous times for the prime minister's leadership, and she is one of those who backed jeremy hunt against him in the last conservative leadership contest. there will be those who are saying this is being used to blacken the reputation of the government politically and to damage boris johnson. there will be people who think and say that. i think they need to slightly look beyond these kind of conspiracy theories and look at the issues that she's raising, which are very serious. it can't be easy for her. it's not easy when you are experiencing this