Welcome to our viewers on pbs in america and around the globe. All eyes are on the impeachment process in the United States after Vice President , mike pence confirmed he will not invoke the 25th amendment. In a letter to speaker of the house, nancy pelosi, mr pence said i do not believe that such a course of action is in the best interest of our nation or consistent with our constitution. Calling on ms pelosi and members of congress to avoid actions that would further divide and inflame the passions of the moment and adding a plea work with us to lower the temperature and unite our country as we prepare to inaugurate president elect joe biden as the next president of the United States. We can now speak to our washington correspondent Barbara Plett usher, who is on capitol hill. Just who is on capitol hill. To be clear, all eyes are now just to be clear, all eyes are now on the impeachment process because mr pence has put an end to any moves to declare the president unfit for office. He will not start that process. In answer to your question, mike, yes and no in terms of all eyes because you are right, mr pence said he will not take that route which is what was expected all along but he has now made that clear. The energy will now be put into the impeachment drive. The House Speaker nancy pelosi has already appointed the members of congress who will serve as lawyers in the senate trial. But here we are still involved in the formality of this move, asking the Vice President to invoke the constitution to declare mr trump unfit for office. Even though he said he will not do it, what is happening at the moment in the houses that members of voting on whether to go ahead with this, they probably will do, they have the majority to do it if they want to, and then they will probably still vote on it and that is a formality that will be completed and then tomorrow morning, wednesday, they will start the debate on they will start the debate on the impeachment leading to a vote probably by the end of the day tomorrow. In vote probably by the end of the day tomorrow. Day tomorrow. In effect, barbara. Day tomorrow. In effect, barbara, the day tomorrow. In effect, barbara, the process day tomorrow. In effect, barbara, the process we | day tomorrow. In effect, barbara, the process we see at the moment in the house is a gesture. They are going through with it even though they know it will not have the impact they hope for. It is interesting as well in the idea that it may give us an idea of how many republicans may move against mr trump how many republicans may move against mrtrump or how many republicans may move against mr trump or is it a free hit for republicans, they can vote in favour of this knowing it will not happen. I think probably they would focus more on their own minds on what they will do about the big vote, the impeachment vote. There have been various opinions expressed about whether mr trump should leave office or not. I think only one republican, to my knowledge, has actually publicly said that this is the route that should be taken. The one being voted on right now. The bigger question right now is what they are going to do when it comes to the impeachment vote. And there we have had some indication that the dam is breaking, the republican dam is breaking, the republican dam is breaking and a number of lawmakers in the house have said they will vote to impeach, including liz cheney, the third Ranking Member and the daughter of dick cheney the former republican Vice President. That is significant. The question after that will be how the senate responds because that is where the trial will take place in terms of whether mr trump will be convicted or not. And the new york times, again, has reported that the republican in the senate, mitch mcconnell, does believe that the president committed acts that are impeachable and if that are impeachable and if thatis that are impeachable and if that is the case and he has not said that publicly but he has also not denied it, that may provide coverfor more republicans to support the process because what it would lead to, really, if mr trump were impeached and convicted, is that it may in some way purge the party of him and they could try to rebuild it without him. Of course he has strong support in the base, in the grassroots, and that is why he has been able to get support from the broader republican party. But if he is seen as such a liability by enough members of the party, perhaps this move will go forward. Something we cannot call at the moment, of course, as we try to read the tea leaves but there are indications a number of republican lawmakers will make that break. , that break. Understood. It is complicated that break. Understood. It is complicated but that break. Understood. It is complicated but you that break. Understood. It is complicated but you have. That break. Understood. It is i complicated but you have made it clear. Just a thought, mr trump is not helping his own case. His lightest statement is unrepentant and shows no reports robert morse zero rollback. He says everything he said was entirely appropriate. Yes, that is right and he is not making it easier for his party. He has not taken any responsibility for what happened. He said his remarks were appropriate. He did not even associate with what happened nor acknowledge that the people who marked on the capital and attacked it where his supporters. He came out strongly against the congress moves, he said the impeachment proceedings that were a witch hunt, that they were something causing anger and pain and it was dangerous for the country. Again sounding somewhat threatening that his supporters, perhaps, may respond. He said he did not want any more violence but he sounded quite forceful about his opposition to impeachment and as he is saying these things, of course, Security Officials here are warning that there are active security threats are donald trump supporters, if you look at what they are saying online, they have been talking about wanting more attacks against lawmakers, not just more attacks against lawmakers, notjust here in washington but in the capitals of all 50 states. Mr trump has not done anything to try and quell that kind of threat or activity. Thank you very much, barbara. We can now speak to Suzan Johnson cook, a former Us Democratic president ial advisor and theologian who served as the United States ambassador at large for International Religious freedom. Good to talk to you and thank you for your time. What do you make of what is going on there on capitol hill . On capitol hill . Firstly, i think the on capitol hill . Firstly, i think the word on capitol hill . Firstly, i think the word inappropriate for the president sitting right now has been his mojo for the, his mantra for the whole time he came in. If we remember even as he was a candidate to be a president he used inappropriate language, he spoke about women and body parts in a way that was just vulgar. And that has been the stamp of hiS Administration. He has been disgusting and vulgar full of he is supposed to provide leadership and this is a whojumped ship, who never steer the ship. He has put people out in these deep waters and though a lot of lives have gone and many lives have been heard and our police force at in our us capital were attacked. How do we say anything positive about him . I say inappropriate is the appropriate word to describe him. ,. ,. , him. Indeed, people died, of course. Clearly him. Indeed, people died, of course. Clearly you him. Indeed, people died, of course. Clearly you are him. Indeed, people died, of course. Clearly you are not. Him. Indeed, people died, of course. Clearly you are not a| course. Clearly you are not a fan of mr trump yet this is not the way thatjoe biden would use to start his term, is it . However this process that we see at the moment on our screens pans out, it will not heal the wounds we saw some exposed last wednesday and it may well get in the way of the things thatjoe biden really wants to do such as the stimulus bill to deal with the pandemic. It stimulus bill to deal with the pandemic pandemic. It was already on their way pandemic. It was already on their way because pandemic. It was already on their way because our their way because our legislators and lawmakers had to hover under tables and be in a room together, fearing for their lives. They were not protected, our us capital was not protected. So it is already affected. Everything in terms of all eyes on the inauguration next week, all lies in terms of making sure our Vice President elect and president elect and president elect are protect it, our legislators are protected, anything that they have to do to protect themselves is going to protect themselves is going to take some time away from the very focus of whatjoe biden� S Administration wants to do. He has the support of over 75 Million People who voted for him and the issue is that there were 71l Million People who voted for trump and so we have a real divide in america. Usually the loser concedes and moves on they say they had their turn and the winner proceeds and is able to administer what their legacy is going to be. In this case, the loser did not lead, did not concede and did not even say sorry for the lives that were lost. He watched it on tv as people destroyed the us capital, the centre of our democracy. Capital, the centre of our democracy capital, the centre of our democracy. Capital, the centre of our democra. , democracy. Given, as you say, that 74 million democracy. Given, as you say, that 74 Million People democracy. Given, as you say, that 74 Million People voted i that 74 Million People voted for President Trump, more people voted for him four years earlier, they had for years and liked it and they wanted more, more people did. How does president biden. How does he reconcile with those people . We know some of those people are prepared to use violence to overturn his election when. It is not easy and i dont say it will be easy. We saw marks of this movement, actually, when they were about to kidnap the governor of michigan. I think we have a real serious problem. Im not sure it is going to be easy. I have been reading bishop tutu and many of the south african riders when they had a terrible divide with apartheid and they had to set p apartheid and they had to set up reconciliation and truth hearings. We may need to do some of the because we are not of the table together but we will have to be if america is to go forward. I pledge my support to thiS Administration and i will work with them and serve with them as well many. We will make sure that he gets a good start but he will have a hard toll ahead of him. As a theologian and a faith leader we are praying for him but certainly as Business Owners and ambassadors that we will make sure that we surround him so that he can do the job he can do and reparations with other countries. I wear my badges ambassador because i went all over the world fighting for freedom for other countries. Now we have to fight for freedom countries. Now we have to fight forfreedom in our own countries. Now we have to fight for freedom in our own country. So we want to make sure that all of the ties and bridges that have been torn down overseas with diplomatic engagements that we can help rebuild those and so i pledge my support to help him get this back up again and not falling into the deep deep waters. Titer . Into the deep deep waters. Very interesting into the deep deep waters. Very interesting to into the deep deep waters. Very interesting to hear into the deep deep waters. Very interesting to hear from into the deep deep waters. Very interesting to hear from you. Thank you. Right now, indonesia is waking up to the start of a mass Covid Vaccination programme. The country has one of the worst outbreaks in south east asia. Meanwhile malaysia has introduced a state of emergency to deal with the pandemic as paul hawkins reports. No other country in Southeast Asia has seen more people die and more people infected by covid i9 than indonesia. Today, the fightback begins using the chinese vaccine called coronavac. Translation the vaccine makes coronavac. Translation the vaccine makes the coronavac. Translation iie vaccine makes the requirements of the who have a minimum efficacy of 50 . An efficacy rate of 65. 3 from the clinical test in bandung shows that this can decrease the rate of infection on top of ongoing protocols. Infection on top of ongoing protocols infection on top of ongoing rotocols. �. ,. Protocols. But achieving herd immunity protocols. But achieving herd immunity in protocols. But achieving herd immunity in the protocols. But achieving herd immunity in the worlds protocols. But achieving herd | immunity in the worlds fourth most populous country is no easy task. The government set itself the ambitious task of vaccinating all 180 Million People in 50 months. Because indonesia is a young population, working age adults get priority. The idea being that the economy rebounds faster and herd immunity protects the elderly because young people transmit the virus. ,. , virus. The principal is using the highest virus. The principal is using the highest efficacy virus. The principal is using the highest efficacy vaccine possible and to vaccine as many people as possible. So if you have a vaccine that is 90 effective you can achieve herd immunity by vaccinating 66 of your population. Immunity by vaccinating 66 of your imputation immunity by vaccinating 66 of your population your population. Meanwhile in malaysia. Your population. Meanwhile in malaysia. A your population. Meanwhile in malaysia, a monthlong your population. Meanwhile in malaysia, a monthlong state| your population. Meanwhile in l malaysia, a monthlong state of malaysia, a month long state of emergency has been introduced to deal with the pandemic. Translation translation covid19 infections translation covid19 infections are translation covid19 infections are on the rise and show no signs of decline in the nearfuture. Therefore show no signs of decline in the near future. Therefore the government needs to have certain powers to ensure this outbreak can be curbed more effectively. Outbreak can be curbed more effectively effectively. And that means suspending effectively. And that means suspending parliament. Effectively. And that means suspending parliament. But because the government has a thin majority, some suspect state of emergency could be away for it to cling onto power. Translation i away for it to cling onto power. Translation i feel this emergency power. Translation i feel this emergency has power. Translation i feel this emergency has nothing power. Translation i feel this emergency has nothing to power. Translation i feel this emergency has nothing to do emergency has nothing to do with the pandemic. Maybe it was imposed because of another in gender. Maybe politics. That is what i think. There are some good to this emergency but look at it from the angle of finances it is not good because we are forced to stay at home, to go out to work would be difficult to any people would be left with no work. They would be fired because of things like this. Would be fired because of things like this. The prime minister. Things like this. The prime minister, however, things like this. The prime minister, however, insistl things like this. The prime i minister, however, insist the state of emergency is not a military coup and the curfew would not be enforced. He promised a general election once the outbreak is under control but when that happens is anyones guess. Dr Sulfikar Amir specialises in risk and disaster at the nanyang technological university. He joins us from singapore. Tell us more about these vaccine rollouts. Unusually, the vaccine has not been universally approved but it is going out specifically to frontline workers and then to working age in young adults rather than the first as in many other countries. That is not really many other countries. That is not really true many other countries. That is not really true because many other countries. That is not really true because last l not really true because last week the ministry of health in indonesia has released the Vaccination Programme in which the first phase will include healthcare workers, Public Servants and continue with the second phase which focuses on the elderly and senior citizens. We understood that there were calculations being made, however, that many young people of working age making them is protected as possible would help the economy more. That is probably included in the Public Servants group. Because in the second phase the government is going to vaccinate about, i think, 17 Million People in the public sector, and the public sectors. So it is most likely that the working age group is included in that group. 5 working age group is included in that group working age group is included in that group. As i understand it, clinical in that group. As i understand it, Clinical Trials in that group. As i understand it, Clinical Trials of in that group. As i understand it, Clinical Trials of this it, Clinical Trials of this vaccine only involve people aged 15 18 59. There is concern about the data for elderly patients. Elderly patients. That is absolutely elderly patients. That is absolutely correct. Elderly patients. That is. Absolutely correct. There elderly patients. That is absolutely correct. There is some medical constraints among people in indonesia regarding the efficacy of sinovac at the moment. People are aware about the high efficacy of other vaccines such as pfizer and they were disappointed that the government, the indonesian government, the indonesian government has decided to use sinov