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awful lot of confidence that they would get there and they would get their man, and now they have. i suspect at the end of the day, lots of officers will regard this, despite the three or so days, as a test book —— textbook operation. they got their man before he was able to critically leave the country. there are so many unanswered questions they will want to know. they will want to know if it was an inside job, what help to know. they will want to know if it was an insidejob, what help he got. we now know he had a change of clothing, what was that about? where did that come from? was that something that was given to him, or did he steal it from somewhere? we don't know. all those questions need to be answered by the police so they know where to go next in terms of understanding. bbc news: breaking news: daniel khalife, who escaped from wandsworth prison on wednesday it has been arrested. there has been a four day manhunt for him. take us back to those moments when he escaped, and what we have learned. there are several investigations under way into how he could have escaped from not a top security level present, but a category b prison, and huge questions about why a terror suspect was not in a more secure unit. just on that last — was not in a more secure unit. limit on that last question, i was not in a more secure unit. lmit on that last question, i know it sounds unusual, but not all of those offenders are always held in high security prisons. there are different levels of terrorist offending. it is not common, but we have seen are the suspected terrorists held at wandsworth, that is the first and you have to take into account. we're not quite clear why they have been using wandsworth, in recent years for those purposes, but this is certainly not the first person who has been held there. what we know is that thejustice secretary may have already... by the end of the week about the categorisation and statement of daniel khalife at wandsworth prison, and by that, he means: what kind of risk as he categorised as being, and clearly, being held on remand. and deciding he should not be given bail in the first place. that is the first question. but also, once somebody is actually in prison, there are options about how you manage them and about the freedoms that you have to operate within the prison environment, and the key issue with that is that daniel khalife was allowed to work in the kitchens, which is a pretty funjob, as one former prisoner governor described it, because it requires a high level of privilege and access, essentially, dangerous items. also, it gets you a degree of freedom others do not get. because the kitchen is also effectively part of the very, very tight access opportunities, they have to take three deliveries from a larger delivery vehicle, it is also, everybody knows it in the prison's world, one of the weakest, if not the weakest part of the prison security apparatus. in this situation, daniel khalife was in the kitchen, which then ultimately lead to, it appears, kitchen, which then ultimately lead to, itappears, his kitchen, which then ultimately lead to, it appears, his opportunity to escape, and he strapped himself underneath this food delivery lorry as it left. now, following on from that, there are real questions about what went wrong with the security at wandsworth, about the cheque to the vehicle went through. they should have been an under vehicle mirror check. that is a standard british thing. anyjournalist who has been in a person... i and other colleagues have seen those kinds of checks. they are pretty standard thing. if people go through the port of dover, will have seen this happen, the border force use mirrors underneath vehicles. why did that check not take place? did it take place? did theyjust not notice? the second issue is about how long it took for the police to be notified that he has gone missing. he disappeared at seven .32. it was only later that the prison effectively raised the alarm. and it is around 25 minutes after that that the police are called in to try to help tracking down, and then rapidly after that, they found the vehicle about three miles away from the prison. but, by that point, he had escaped. there are lots of questions, there. that is why alex chalk, justice secretary, said that prison governors have been given a preliminary report about how daniel khalife was categorised in the prison, and also some additional review into those offenders. he wants an independent inquiry into the circumstances of this, he has to have confidence asjustice secretary that the prison is secure and a safe place to hold people.— place to hold people. getting reaction from _ place to hold people. getting reaction from rishi _ place to hold people. getting reaction from rishi sunak, i place to hold people. getting. reaction from rishi sunak, the place to hold people. getting - reaction from rishi sunak, the prime minister, he says he is pleased that daniel khalife has been arrested. he has praised the police and public for their work. investigations under way into how he escapes, but also into wandsworth prison itself. as we've known for many years, many of the present system have been complaining of understaffing and overcrowding. questions will now be raised about how these issues may have contributed to this. you dro ed have contributed to this. you drapped out _ have contributed to this. you drapped out a _ have contributed to this. you dropped out a little - have contributed to this. mt, dropped out a little bit. the signal is quite poor where i am, i am on the edge of chiswick. please say that again. the edge of chiswick. please say that aaain. �* , the edge of chiswick. please say that again-— that again. i'm saying that questions _ that again. i'm saying that questions over _ that again. i'm saying that questions over the - that again. i'm saying that questions over the last - that again. i'm saying that| questions over the last few that again. i'm saying that - questions over the last few days going forward for this government have been about how overpopulated and understaffed prisons like wandsworth are, and how those issues may have contributed to daniel khalife's escape.— may have contributed to daniel khalife's esca-e. ~ ., , ., , khalife's escape. wandsworth prison holds around — khalife's escape. wandsworth prison holds around 1600 _ khalife's escape. wandsworth prison holds around 1600 people, - khalife's escape. wandsworth prison holds around 1600 people, well- khalife's escape. wandsworth prison holds around 1600 people, well in l holds around 1600 people, well in excess of standard operating capacity. and, a lot of people in the prison system, and a lot of experts on the outside say that this is a kind of prison which ultimately has to be closed, it is dark, victorian, unfit for the modern world. they said that the sooner it closes, the better. but of course, the building programme is a very complicated matter. the government is committed to building more prisons. there is also the matter of morale. there is a high turnover of prison officers across england and wales. high levels of sickness. there has been a loss over the last few years, an awful lot of experienced prison officers leaving. lots of those staff are inexperienced because they have not beenin inexperienced because they have not been in the profession very long. a lot of people who go to prison do not say very long, as well, so professionally, the culture of prison management moved away from what was essentially a job where you would say in it for 20—30 years, a substantial duration of your career, to one where you train as a prison officer and then leave after a much shorter period. you can see how the staff turnover goes on, there. there are real problems. one has been repeatedly criticised by the chief inspector of prisons. there have been real concerns about it down the years. what the watchdog will say more broadly is that we are in a very unusual situation where there are so many problems across so many presents. we have had three serious warnings to ministers in recent weeks about commissions at the re—prisons, just for example. they say that there hasn't. .. re—prisons, just for example. they say that there hasn't... there needs to be more investment into how these places are managed. what we don't know, of course, and i think we need to caution here, is what specific role anything around resources in wandsworth may have played or not in what happened with daniel khalife. so, the critics have already predicted... and before we see that report, we can't say for certain... it may have been a catastrophic error, it may have been an exploitation of some security aspect no one else had ever tried before that he was able to exploit, sorry, my headphones dropped off. something like that, it is very unlikely we will hear the full circumstances of the escape, that would give other prisoners ideas to follow themselves. very, very complicated picture about what is going on. generally speaking, prisons are not in a great place. there are a lot of challenges there, and an awful lot of people on the inside trying to do their best in very difficult circumstances.— their best in very difficult circumstances. ~ , ., ., circumstances. we will let you go, thank ou circumstances. we will let you go, thank you very _ circumstances. we will let you go, thank you very much _ circumstances. we will let you go, thank you very much for _ circumstances. we will let you go, thank you very much for being - circumstances. we will let you go, | thank you very much for being with us, and taking us about. a reminder: 21—year—old prisoner daniel khalife has been arrested by the metropolitan police just before 11 o'clock this morning he was arrested in chiswick in the west london area. he escaped from wandsworth prison on wednesday morning. he had previously been charged with terror offences and has been in wandsworth on remand pending trial while they conducted a four day search. a reward was offered by police of £20,000. a couple of hours ago, the police released a statement saying that there had been sightings of him in there had been sightings of him in the west london chiswick area. they said that this came after intelligence led activity and son confirmed sightings. they said that they were very much concerned with focusing their search on that area and quickly developing before 11 o'clock, they announced that they have arrested him. daniel khalife has been arrested. the prime minister, rishi sunak, at the g20 summit in india gave his reaction to the news of this arrest a few minutes ago. the news of this arrest a few minutes ago-— the news of this arrest a few minutes ago. the news of this arrest a few minutes ao. �* , , ., minutes ago. i'm very pleased about the news, minutes ago. i'm very pleased about the news. my _ minutes ago. i'm very pleased about the news, my thanks _ minutes ago. i'm very pleased about the news, my thanks to _ minutes ago. i'm very pleased about the news, my thanks to the - minutes ago. i'm very pleased about the news, my thanks to the police i the news, my thanks to the police officers for their fantastic work of the last few days, but also the public, who came forward with an enormous number of leads help the police with their inquiries. it is good news we have captured the person concerned. as people always know, the justice person concerned. as people always know, thejustice secretary has initiated an inquiry into the circumstances of his escape, that work will continue. this is obviously very welcome news, my thanks to the police and the public for their help. we thanks to the police and the public for their help-— for their help. we now go to a retired police _ for their help. we now go to a retired police sergeant. - for their help. we now go to a j retired police sergeant. relief there from the prime minister, no doubt, the metropolitan police, after this four—day manhunt. how big an operation will this have been for them? it an operation will this have been for them? ., , ., , , ., them? it will have been massive. you have to consider _ them? it will have been massive. you have to consider that _ them? it will have been massive. you have to consider that every _ them? it will have been massive. you have to consider that every police - have to consider that every police officer in the country will have been briefed with that individual being wanted. so, congratulations to the mat for actually doing that. i'm sure that behind that, there would have been public involvement as well. the sightings, the information. the public still do have faith in the police, it shows up, and they will provide that information merit is required. hour information merit is required. how well an operation _ information merit is required. how well an operation like this have unfolded? this well an operation like this have unfolded? �* , i. well an operation like this have unfolded? �* , , ., ., unfolded? as i say, when you get an esca -e unfolded? as i say, when you get an escape from — unfolded? as i say, when you get an escape from an _ unfolded? as i say, when you get an escape from an establishment - unfolded? as i say, when you get an escape from an establishment like i escape from an establishment like that, it is all about following the trail. obviously, the reports come out about the person having escaped, and having been involved in something like that before, it is all about tracking where that individual men. as we know, from the maps you have provided, we have seen the roots that the vehicle took, individuals got out of the vehicle and calmly walked away, heading into richmond, i think it was, casually having something to eat. it kind of shows what the individual�*s intent was. was he intent on going on a big run? being a fugitive continuously? probably not. he's been apprehended in three days not that far away from where he escaped from. it is interesting what his motives were. they have had police helicopters up for hours and hours overnight every richmond park and chiswick. certainly, aerialfootage richmond park and chiswick. certainly, aerial footage will come into play. how many police officers you think would have been on the ground, door—to—door inquiries, that kind of thing? iiii ground, door-to-door inquiries, that kind of thing?— kind of thing? if i'm honest, i wouldn't _ kind of thing? if i'm honest, i wouldn't be — kind of thing? if i'm honest, i wouldn't be able _ kind of thing? if i'm honest, i wouldn't be able to _ kind of thing? if i'm honest, i wouldn't be able to tell - kind of thing? if i'm honest, i wouldn't be able to tell you . kind of thing? if i'm honest, i i wouldn't be able to tell you how many police officers. as you know, the mat are the biggest police force in the country. but a lot of resources would have gone into this. we have an individual who has escaped from prison, we know what he has been charged with. we know what he has been remanded with. let us put it in perspective: it has been said before, the individual, and quite rightly, the police did say that, he is not a danger to the public in relation to the public. he would not harm someone. that is why there was not this massive panic but out in relation to the individual. he is charged with serious offences, we know that, that will come out in the fullness of time, but the good thing is, and i think that credit to the mat, they have not called major panic and alarm in the communities. the individual is on the run, we know what his on a run for, and we have been able to apprehend him. police officers in the situation are part of a team which is now entrusted to try to find this prisoner. how does it work? basically, like you said, and i have said this before, he rely on the goodwill of the public and a bit of luck to get that gain an advantage to go right. you know that the person is there, and then you start to play catch up, and surly, you try to play catch up, and surly, you try to reduce the time gap. it is three days. so, you are closing down that time, getting closer and closer and closer. and as it gets closer, the chances of that person being apprehended to do get better. but, what we also have to remember is the hard work of the officers. they are out there on foot knocking on doors, they are getting that information. there will have been a lot of officers out there putting in a lot of hard work and hours trying to find that individual. other people will be sat putting that information together, putting that together, coming up with strategies and ideas on how that person can be upended, and it has worked.— and it has worked. there was a reward of— and it has worked. there was a reward of £20,000 _ and it has worked. there was a reward of £20,000 that - and it has worked. there was a reward of £20,000 that the i and it has worked. there was a - reward of £20,000 that the police offered. is that significant? how do they then rule in or out people who have true and authentic leads? i honestly cannot say. that is not something i really got involved in during my career. i think that will be down to the organisation, they will look at how interactive that evidence was in relation to the person being apprehended. it will always be organisational, meaning, how much they get in relation to the reward that was put up. the important thing is: the individual has been caught. i said yesterday it only ends one way, and it has ended the way that it normally ends. he is a young man, hopefully, he goes to court, he has dealt with appropriately, and at some point, he looks back on his behaviour and see that it wasn't correct, and he learned something.— learned something. really interesting _ learned something. really interesting to _ learned something. really interesting to get - learned something. really interesting to get your - learned something. really - interesting to get your perspective. thank you. interesting to get your perspective. thank ou. . ~ interesting to get your perspective. thank ou. ., ,, i. we now go to a former met police commissioner, thank you very much a being with others. what are your thoughts now that this 21—year—old man has been apprehended by the police, arrested just before 11 o'clock in chiswick in west london? samantha, that afternoon. you have over promoted me. i was a mere superintendent. the key thing here is the 72 hours in relation to the resources. the longer it goes on, the more difficult it becomes apprehend this individual. there would have been an intelligence cell in place he would have looked at all of the intelligence coming in, and from there, the police would have looked at all of the resources. i think that the key thing here is that they had a credible siting in chiswick, west talked about him coming out from underneath a lorry. i think that that was crucial. from there, they will be able to look at cctv, push resources that might have beenin cctv, push resources that might have been in other areas, for example, going back into chiswick and with, and i think the police have worked incredibly hard and i've managed to find this individual. the key evidence was a member of the public who said: i have seen this individual couple of miles away from the site where he escaped. and then, it stops all of the wild goose chasing that people would have been doing, people saying i saw him going into a taxi. it gives credible evidence so that the police are able to focus more on something like that. i think another thing that is important is: the police have had a lot of bad publicity recently, i think that this is an example of the good work the police can do, and i think that we ought to understand and respect the hours that the police officers would have been working in order to find this man very quickly. i’m working in order to find this man very quickly-— working in order to find this man very quickly. i'm sure that we will aet more very quickly. i'm sure that we will get more details... _ very quickly. i'm sure that we will get more details... actually, - very quickly. i'm sure that we will get more details... actually, i'ml get more details... actually, i'm not sure if they will release them. in your experience, when it comes to manhunts like this, we have had four days of it. on the first day, there were very few leads. they were not sure if he had left the country. what was the turning point? was it the footage received of him underneath a vehicle? and then they could track him from that point on? precisely. there are lots of stories, i was listening to people saying that they had in him get into a taxi several miles away. the crucial thing was credible evidence from one witness who talked about him getting out from underneath a fan. from there, the police could concentrate their efforts on cctv, car footage, concentrate their efforts on cctv, carfootage, bus concentrate their efforts on cctv, car footage, bus footage, concentrate their efforts on cctv, carfootage, bus footage, cctv. they were able to focus specifically on that area and then move forward and concentrate their search in that particular area. concentrate their search in that particulararea. i concentrate their search in that particular area. i think that the boat crew with a member of the public —— track i think that the breakthrough was a member of the public. there was a reward. this was... we will have to go back and look at how significant bits of information were, then the decision will be made by the metropolitan police who have offered the reward, to see if the reward will be paid. as you said, the police need to rule out time wasters and people who have inaccurate information. how can they do that quickly?— do that quickly? they have an intelligence _ do that quickly? they have an intelligence cell, _ do that quickly? they have an intelligence cell, information | do that quickly? they have an - intelligence cell, information comes in, you have a group of staff who will be looking at the intelligence and making... we will be looking at the intelligence and making---_ will be looking at the intelligence and making... will be looking at the intelligence and makina...~ and making... we lost your sound. i think ou and making... we lost your sound. i think you might _ and making... we lost your sound. i think you might be _ and making... we lost your sound. i think you might be back. _ and making... we lost your sound. i think you might be back. you - and making... we lost your sound. i think you might be back. you will. think you might be back. you will have fixated _ think you might be back. you will have fixated people, _ think you might be back. you will have fixated people, people - think you might be back. you will have fixated people, people with | have fixated people, people with mental health issues. people who want to disrupt the investigation. the police will look at the information and make a determination very quickly. i think that the police will have learnt a lot from previous occasions when they have been hoodwinked into following false leads. i think that the classic example if the yorkshire ripper case where they followed dead end leads. i think that they will make the decision into whether or not they are going to follow it up. tell decision into whether or not they are going to follow it up.- are going to follow it up. tell us more about _ are going to follow it up. tell us more about your _ are going to follow it up. tell us more about your thoughts - are going to follow it up. tell usj more about your thoughts about are going to follow it up. tell us - more about your thoughts about the fact that he managed to escape in the first place. i fact that he managed to escape in the first place-— the first place. i think that there is inevitably _ the first place. i think that there is inevitably going _ the first place. i think that there is inevitably going to _ the first place. i think that there is inevitably going to be - the first place. i think that there is inevitably going to be an - is inevitably going to be an investigation, i think my experiences more around the manhunt as opposed to what goes on inside the prison. inevitably, they will be looking at the staffing levels, where people appropriately trained? it is really, really important to look at the wider picture, and i'm sure that they will be before they make any decisions. haifa sure that they will be before they make any decisions.— sure that they will be before they make any decisions. how much of a triumh is make any decisions. how much of a triumph is this _ make any decisions. how much of a triumph is this for _ make any decisions. how much of a triumph is this for the _ make any decisions. how much of a triumph is this for the metropolitan | triumph is this for the metropolitan police? how much pressure would they have been under show five as a rest this man as quickly as possible? they have been going for four days. —— to find out arrest this man as quickly as possible. -- to find out arrest this man as quickly as possible.— quickly as possible. this has dominated _ quickly as possible. this has dominated the _ quickly as possible. this has dominated the news - quickly as possible. this has dominated the news for - quickly as possible. this has dominated the news for the | quickly as possible. this has - dominated the news for the last four days. it is in parliament, it has been on the front pages, it has been the story that the bbc, sky, itv have been kneeling on. it is a massive story. from there, from that perspective, it is quite an important coup for the police have found this individual. i think and more people were beginning... there was some management of expectations of the police, they were talking about how this person was trained, they were soldier, how he would be very able, so there was management of whether they were able to find him. and i think that the first six hours of any missing person situation is absolutely crucial. we are in the fourth day, and the longer it goes on, the longer it is that... it makes it more likely that they will get away. the fact that he has been caught locally would suggest that it was not a big pre—organised attempt with lots of parties involved, more an individual escape, as opposed to other people being involved.— escape, as opposed to other people being involved. when other people do esca -e being involved. when other people do escape from — being involved. when other people do escape from prison, _ being involved. when other people do escape from prison, as _ being involved. when other people do escape from prison, as they _ being involved. when other people do escape from prison, as they normally| escape from prison, as they normally caught? escape from prison, as they normally cau~ht? ,., escape from prison, as they normally cau~ht? , ,., escape from prison, as they normally cau~ht? , caught? prison escapes are very rare. caught? prison escapes are very rare- even _ caught? prison escapes are very rare. even when _ caught? prison escapes are very rare. even when we _ caught? prison escapes are very rare. even when we have - caught? prison escapes are very rare. even when we have ira . rare. even when we have ira prisoners escaping, they have been caught very quickly. it is incredibly rare. i think the independent reviewer of terrorism legislation have asked questions around whether it was an appropriate place for him to be. i think you can be fairly confident that he won't be going into category b prison when he goes back, he will be going into category a, the most highly secure prisons where escape is almost impossible. prisons where escape is almost impossible-— prisons where escape is almost imossible. ., ,, ., ., ,, ., impossible. thank you for talking to us toda . impossible. thank you for talking to us today- just _ impossible. thank you for talking to us today- just a _ impossible. thank you for talking to us today. just a reminder— impossible. thank you for talking to us today. just a reminder that - us today. just a reminder that police have confirmed that they have arrested missing terror suspect daniel khalife following his escape from prison four days ago. officers have been focusing on the chiswick area after confirmed sightings overnight, including calls from the member of the public. the family of the 21—year—old who escaped from wandsworth prison on wednesday urged him to give himself up. rishi sunak is at the g20 summit in india and gave his reaction to news of the few minutes ago. gave his reaction to news of the few minutes ago-— gave his reaction to news of the few minutes auo. ~ ., , , .,, minutes ago. well, i am very pleased with the news. _ minutes ago. well, i am very pleased with the news, and _ minutes ago. well, i am very pleased with the news, and my _ minutes ago. well, i am very pleased with the news, and my thanks - minutes ago. well, i am very pleased with the news, and my thanks to - minutes ago. well, i am very pleased with the news, and my thanks to the | with the news, and my thanks to the police officers for their fantastic work over the last couple of days, but also, the public, who came forward with an enormous number of leads out the police with their inquiries. it is good news is that we captured the person concerned. as people already know, justice secretary has initiated an inquiry into the circumstances of his escape. that work will continue. this is obviously very welcome news. my this is obviously very welcome news. my thanks to the police and the public for their help. litre my thanks to the police and the public for their help.— my thanks to the police and the public for their help. live now to the chief constable _ public for their help. live now to the chief constable of _ public for their help. live now to the chief constable of north... l the chief constable of north... welcome, thank you for being with us. tell us about the scale of this operation that the met has undertaken over the last few days. it will have been a very difficult operation. any manhunt is a difficult operation. particularly this one. the metropolitan police were not actually informed that daniel khalife was missing for around one hour. although that sounds like a very short time, in policing terms, it is a very long time. it gave him the opportunity to make good his escape from the immediate environment. take us throu~h immediate environment. take us through what _ immediate environment. take us through what would _ immediate environment. take us through what would happen - immediate environment. take us through what would happen oncej immediate environment. take us - through what would happen once they were informed. thea;r through what would happen once they were informed.— were informed. they would have immediately _ were informed. they would have immediately gone _ were informed. they would have immediately gone to _ were informed. they would have immediately gone to the - were informed. they would have immediately gone to the prison l were informed. they would have l immediately gone to the prison to try to find out what had happened, how he had made good his escape. then, they would have been asking and looking through all of their intelligence in relation to the case that he was actually on remand for. they would be looking at his contacts, any addresses locally or, as we had, in the stafford area where he had previously been based. and they would be using every intelligence and investigative approach that was available to them to actually make sure that they were able to apprehend him quickly. they then put out very important messages to the public, saying that he wasn't a danger to the public, but asking the public for sightings of him. perhaps they could have set up an individual hotline to get people more confident in phoning in. but, needless to say, they have had good brakes, the intelligence from members of the public, and they were able to go on from there. de think it is increasingly _ able to go on from there. de think it is increasingly impossible - able to go on from there. de think it is increasingly impossible for. it is increasingly impossible for anybody to hide in these days of social media, mobile phones, cctv? that it was inevitable he would be caught? that it was inevitable he would be cau~ht? ., , ., , caught? nothing is ever inevitable. it has caught? nothing is ever inevitable. it has taken — caught? nothing is ever inevitable. it has taken a _ caught? nothing is ever inevitable. it has taken a great _ caught? nothing is ever inevitable. it has taken a great deal _ caught? nothing is ever inevitable. it has taken a great deal of - caught? nothing is ever inevitable. it has taken a great deal of hard i it has taken a great deal of hard police work and support from the public to actually find this man. if it at all in about cctv, they would have got him straightaway. regardless of what people think, there are still spaces, whether it is a new cctv situation, and that is why the public were contacted. and it is the public, and many thanks to all of those who got touch, who ensured that this man was apprehended. the police work by the metropolitan police and the security teams was excellent. what metropolitan police and the security teams was excellent.— teams was excellent. what are the challen . es teams was excellent. what are the challenges in _ teams was excellent. what are the challenges in a _ teams was excellent. what are the challenges in a manhunt _ teams was excellent. what are the challenges in a manhunt like - teams was excellent. what are the challenges in a manhunt like this l challenges in a manhunt like this for the police?— challenges in a manhunt like this for the police? trying to make sure that they can _ for the police? trying to make sure that they can get — for the police? trying to make sure that they can get across _ for the police? trying to make sure that they can get across a - for the police? trying to make sure that they can get across a message to the public, having staff available to undertake searches, as you are aware, the helicopter was up for the last two nights looking in the area. the metropolitan police is lucky to have a great many resources that they can actually deploy into operations like this together with support from colleagues around the country. but, the biggest issue is people starting to feel frustrated when the person has not been apprehended within one hour full stop unfortunately, as i know to my cost, police in large—scale operations if it doesn't resolve in one or two hours, as they always do one or two hours, as they always do on era. ., . , , , on era. how much pressure will the met have been _ on era. how much pressure will the met have been under— on era. how much pressure will the met have been under not _ on era. how much pressure will the met have been under notjust - met have been under notjust internally, but from the government? the metropolitan police and the prison service will be under significant pressure. this man is clearly a danger, not to members of the public, but for what he had done, and the metropolitan police would have been under pressure to find him as soon as possible. and, the prison service, now the investigations, will be undertaken investigations, will be undertaken in relation to how he was able to get away as quickly and thoroughly as he did. this get away as quickly and thoroughly as he did. a i. ., get away as quickly and thoroughly as he did. a ., as he did. as you have said, the information _ as he did. as you have said, the information from _ as he did. as you have said, the information from the _ as he did. as you have said, the information from the public- as he did. as you have said, the information from the public is i as he did. as you have said, the i information from the public is often crucial in these situations, the police offered a reward of £20,000 of their help. how do they come up and information comes in, possible sightings, how do they quickly sort out what may be useful and may not? what they have to do out what may be useful and may not? what they have to d— what they have to do there is no eas wa what they have to do there is no easy way to _ what they have to do there is no easy way to do _ what they have to do there is no easy way to do that. _ what they have to do there is no easy way to do that. that - what they have to do there is no easy way to do that. that is - what they have to do there is no easy way to do that. that is why | easy way to do that. that is why they have to use only resources and it take so much time. people have to go and check on every call. when we had our investigation, we had people checking the west midlands. it was unlikely he would be down there, but when you have a piece of intelligence, you do have to get to the bottom of it. find intelligence, you do have to get to the bottom of it.— the bottom of it. and also, in the initial hours _ the bottom of it. and also, in the initial hours and _ the bottom of it. and also, in the initial hours and days, _ the bottom of it. and also, in the initial hours and days, they - the bottom of it. and also, in the initial hours and days, they were | initial hours and days, they were unsure if he had fled abroad. absolutely. but, again, that is something that good

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