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Our news correspondent helena humphrey. Helena, after a long wait, an aid bill for ukraine has now passed its biggest a vote in the house. Thats right, carl. Very much long awaited. Just to paint a picture, it was back in september that ukrainian president zelensky went to the white house to speak to President Biden about the need for this day will do particularly with regards to things such as air defence, missiles and so on. It took this long to actually come to the floor. That was because there was a growing chorus of opposition from republican congressional lawmakers, particularly in the house with regards to aid to ukraine at a time but there hadnt been stricter legislation when it comes to immigration, bordersecurity and legislation when it comes to immigration, Border Security and so on. Nevertheless it appears that speakerjohnson appears to have A Change Of Heart. Potentially after a rounds attack that we saw on israel last week. It came to the floor. Were seeing over 60 billion in funding going to ukraine. Also provisioned to the tune of 25 Billion Us Dollars going to israel with humanitarian aid for gaza as part of that. Also part of that package over 8 billion going to Indo Pacific Region as well. I was speaking to lawmakers, there was ukrainian flags in the chambers and i spoke to a democratic lawmaker and she told me that allies have been pleading with them in their committees to take up this legislation important to a vote. Take a listen to what she told me. The fact that we took up these votes with overwhelming democratic support shows with overwhelming democratic support shows were knocking to continue to sit on shows were knocking to continue to sit on the shows were knocking to continue to sit on the sidelines. It has been tense sit on the sidelines. It has been tense and sit on the sidelines. It has been tense and therefore an affair committees because republicans continue committees because republicans continue to share chinese and russian continue to share chinese and russian propaganda when were all looking russian propaganda when were all looking at russian propaganda when were all looking at the same kind of intelligence that tells us that iron, intelligence that tells us that iran, russia and china are working together iran, russia and china are working together in iran, russia and china are working together in partnership to continue together in partnership to continue to create together in partnership to continue to create regional instability around to create regional instability around the globe. It happen in africa, around the globe. It happen in africa, the middle east, south america. Africa, the middle east, south america, in europe and we have to take a america, in europe and we have to take a stand america, in europe and we have to take a stand. We america, in europe and we have to take a stand america, in europe and we have to take a stand. ~. ,. , take a stand. We heard about some of the uruent take a stand. We heard about some of the urgent two take a stand. We heard about some of the urgent two urgency. How urgently is this aid needed in ukraine what kind of impact could this bill have once its expected to fully pass . The pentagon has been watching some of this political infighting. Its been pre positioning weapons in an effort to get her on the ground, hopefully within days as opposed to weeks once its got its final sign off from President Biden. I think the ukrainians would say that what is happening on the ground makes the case for them, continued attacks on energy infrastructure. We heard that warning this week from ukrainian prime ministers speaking to bbc news saying without this us weaponry we risk losing to russia here. Really, that case being made. I think speakerjohnson appears to have A Change Of Heart after receiving a us house intelligence briefings. He is also a person of faith. He has said to have prayed about this and came to the conclusion ultimately that was the right thing to do, despite the fact that it could put his own job injeopardy. The fact that it could put his own job in jeepardy job in eopardy. How likely is it that job in jeopardy. How likely is it that we might job in jeopardy. How likely is it that we might see job in jeopardy. How likely is it that we might see a job in jeopardy. How likely is it that we might see a vote job in jeopardy. How likely is it that we might see a vote over| job in jeopardy. How likely is it that we might see a vote over Mike Johnsons as speaker, could he lose hisjob over this . Johnsons as speaker, could he lose his job over this . His job over this . There is definitely his job over this . There is definitely the his job over this . There is definitely the potential. His job over this . There is| definitely the potential for his job over this . There is definitely the potential for that. Its like it happen today. Congresswoman Marjorie Taylor greene of georgia has filed a motion for his ousting but says she will not put it to vote today. Shes going to go back to georgia, speak to constituents for her. She has managed to pull support from two other republicans on the record. That might not sound like very many but it could just be enough to push that over the line if she was to trigger that boat. I think there is still very much the potential for that. You will remember the chaos that. You will remember the chaos that we saw in october with the former speaker of the house kevin mccarthy. How difficult it was to find a replacement, how that stalled all sorts of progress with regards to bills through congress. I think perhaps wanting to know it is there might be republican squeamishness for that, might be republican squeamishness forthat, bearing in mind might be republican squeamishness for that, bearing in mind that this is a president ial Election Year and not wanting to be seen as the party thatis not wanting to be seen as the party that is involved in that kind of chaos. We do know that the former President Donald Trump says shoulder with the speaker mikejohnson saying that he has my support. It is not off the table. That he has my support. It is not off the table. , i. ,. Well the vote had been delayed for six months, causing ukraine to run low on ammunition and lose more territory to invading russian forces. Ukrainian president Volodymr Zelensky expressed gratitude on x, formerly known as twitter, for the passage of the bill saying this decision will keep history on the right track. Live now to anatol lieven, director of the Eurasia Programme at the Quincy Institute for responsible statecraft. Great to have you here. What is your reaction to what we saw in the house today . This passage of a very large aid bill for ukraine. This today . This passage of a very large aid bill for ukraine. Aid bill for ukraine. This aid is indeed absolutely aid bill for ukraine. This aid is indeed absolutely critical. Aid bill for ukraine. This aid is| indeed absolutely critical. And aid bill for ukraine. This aid is i indeed absolutely critical. And it will help ukraine to hold its existing positions. Through this year, i think. Existing positions. Through this year, ithink. 0f existing positions. Through this year, i think. Of course it will take time for a lot of this weaponry to be delivered and for ukrainians to be delivered and for ukrainians to be trained to use it. Its not given that this will prevent more russian victories this year. What we have to be more sceptical about is whether it will help ukrainians to attack or counterattack in theatre turn. We have to remember that last year massive amounts of us aid did not infect help the ukrainians break through. I think that this aid will preserve a stalemate, it wont be a Decisive Game changer. What preserve a stalemate, it wont be a Decisive Game changer. Preserve a stalemate, it wont be a Decisive Game changer. What do you make of the Decisive Game changer. What do you make of the state Decisive Game changer. What do you make of the state of Decisive Game changer. What do you make of the state of the Decisive Game changer. What do you make of the state of the war Decisive Game changer. What do you make of the state of the war right i make of the state of the war right now . Weve been hearing some fairly dire warnings from leaders in ukraine saying that theyve had to retreat, they are rationing weapons. Is this right now the stalemate . Do you see that continuing into the future . I you see that continuing into the future . ~. , you see that continuing into the future . ,. , , ~ , future . I think that is very likely, es. Future . I think that is very likely, yes because future . I think that is very likely, yes. Because as future . I think that is very likely, yes. Because as weve future . I think that is very likely, yes. Because as weve seen future . I think that is very likely, yes. Because as weve seen so i future . I think that is very likely, i yes. Because as weve seen so often from experts recent technologies favour the defensive. In the first of the war when the russians were attacking the favoured ukrainians for the last year if very much favoured the russians. These weapons will not fundamentally change that equation. The other thing i have to keepin equation. The other thing i have to keep in mind is, while the west can give weapons to the Ukraine Russia is greatly out producing the best in terms of Artillery Shells. And even more importantly, russia now has almost five time ukraines population. We cant create men of the Ukrainian Army unless we send our own troops, which the great majority of western leaders have categorically ruled out. I majority of western leaders have categorically ruled out. Majority of western leaders have categorically ruled out. I guess at the same time categorically ruled out. I guess at the same time as categorically ruled out. I guess at the same time as many categorically ruled out. I guess at the same time as many are the same time as many are questioning how much longer ukraine can hold out, that same question could be asked of russia. Of course they are on the warfront, producing more Artillery Shells but there was a bbc investigation that recently revealed 50,000 dead at least on the russian side. Is there a political impact of that within russia . I impact of that within russia . I think there would be if russians thought the chance of compromised peace. At the moment the peace terms being set out by the ukrainians, which they have said are basically non negotiable are not lease terms for total ukraine victory, complete withdrawal from for total ukraine victory, complete withdrawalfrom Russia Including Crime year, war crimes, trials, reparations, there are very few russians, and nobody within the russians, and nobody within the russian establishment who would accept those terms. And they would require complete Ukrainian Milik Cherry victory which does not look at all likely. Military victory. Youve written that the United States should seek negotiations to end the war diplomatically. Why do you believe that . You believe that . Simply because i think it should you believe that . Simply because i think it should be you believe that . Simply because i think it should be quite you believe that . Simply because i think it should be quite obvious think it should be quite obvious that time is not on ukraines side. As you reported it has taken eight months to get this aid bill through us congress. Months to get this aid bill through us Congress Months to get this aid bill through usconuress. ,. , us congress. Somebody may ask about now that its been us congress. Somebody may ask about now that its been approved us congress. Somebody may ask about now that its been approved why now that its been approved why begin to negotiate now, the eight is potentially on its way for ukraine to take the fight to the battlefield and said . This to take the fight to the battlefield and said . � , and said . As i said, it will help the ukrainians and said . As i said, it will help the ukrainians to and said . As i said, it will help the ukrainians to hold and said . As i said, it will help the ukrainians to hold their the ukrainians to hold their existing positions put but given the odds against them i do not think given what we saw in their offensive last year that it will help them actually to break through the russian positions. Remember, for every weapon or shall we give the ukrainians the russians lay another mind. There are multiple lines now of russian minefields and defensive. Very difficult to break through. If its taken this long and a majority of republicans still voted against this bill in the house, can anyone seriously guarantee that the aid this level will continue next year . Especially of course if trump wins the election or the year after that. This aid will undoubtedly help ukrainians to hold out but i cannot see it helping to win on the terms that they have defined victory. Of course when the russians first invaded we would have regarded a situation in which the ukrainians held achieve, drove the russians back, held onto 80 of their territory he. United in resistance, we were regarded as a tremendous victory for the i do not think that serious Military Analysis would suggest that complete ukrainian victory is possible. Unless russia suffers internal revolution. Taste unless russia suffers internal revolution unless russia suffers internal revolution. ~. ,. , revolution. We will have to live there for the revolution. We will have to live there for the both revolution. We will have to live there for the both sides revolution. We will have to live there for the both sides say revolution. We will have to live i there for the both sides say they intend to fight on. Thank you very much for your perspective. Alongside money for ukraine, the aid package would also see the us send 26 billion to the middle east. 17 billion of which would go to israel to buy things like air defence missiles and advanced weapons systems. And 9 billion will go to humanitarian relief for gaza something democrats insisted be included, over the objections of some conservative republicans. That boost in aid and in weapons comes as unrwa, the un Agency Responsible for getting aid to palestinians, says the risk of disease in gaza is rising. The un warns the situation could deteriorate if israel goes ahead with a planned offensive against hamas in the Southern City of rafah where an estimated 1. 5 million displaced palestinians are sheltering. Wyre davies reports. The effect of six months of war has created a desperate humanitarian crisis in gaza. But amid the ruins of conflict, in some areas, aid is now getting through and can make the difference between surviving or dying of hunger. A flour delivery, organised by the world food programme, allowed this bakery in gaza city to reopen for the First Time Since the war began. Translation finally, i there is something to eat. You can go to the bakery and buy bread. Just a few days ago, it was hard, we were looking for wood, flour and you couldnt find anything to feed the children. But for most gazans, the brutal reality of war is a constant companion. At the najar hospital in rafah, parents and siblings consoled each other after several civilians, including children, were reported killed in overnight air strikes. Israel said fighterjets and other aircraft struck dozens of terror sites. Among the targets, it said, was Military Infrastructure, compounds and armed terrorists. The us has repeatedly urged israel not to launch what is expected to be a major offensive in rafah. We cannot support a Major Military operation in rafah. We believe that a Major Military operation, with a large presence of a civilian population, would have terrible consequences for that population. Words that seem to have little impact on benjamin netanyahu. He has repeatedly said the offensive in rafah must happen if hamas is to be defeated and israeli hostages released. For most gazans, survival is still a daily struggle. Retrieving food parcels from the sea after an air drop shows how chaotic the delivery of aid often is, as agencies warn of a worsening humanitarian crisis. Wyre davies, bbc news, jerusalem. More from wyrie, now, on the latest developments in the region. The very real threat seems to diminish after both sides play down or completely ignored the events of recent days. Events and tensions in the region remain very high. Unless 24 the region remain very high. Unless 2a hours and Iranian Military base in iraq appears to be attacked. Nobody is claimed responsibility for the attack in which one person is said to have been killed. Images seem to show the aftermath of a big explosion on israels northern border theres been exchanges of fire across the frontier with iranian allied militants engaging with israeli troops for the palestinian occupied west bank israeli troops have been involved in a two day operation which is left apparently ten people dead, including a Senior Commander from palestinian islamichhad. Its events in gaza after six months of war which are again coming to the fore of a night where israeli tanks and aeroplane attacks, military jets, bombing places in central gaza and insulting dowser in particular, the city of rafah for the apparently nine people were killed including several children. Israel said it was targeting Military Infrastructure armed terrorists. Saturday marks twenty five years since the 1999 Mass Shooti

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