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i love hunting down bad guys and ending them. we wanted to make a statement, hence the choice to use a detonator and a bomb. you had people sitting on the street, drinking chai. you had al-qaeda on every street corner. as soon as the vehicle stops, the doors open and it's showtime. would you say that it was a successful operation? yes. yemen's armed factions have an impact throughout the middle east and beyond, most recently as the houthi group attacks ships in the red sea. report: the us and uk hit around 30 sites across yemen... _ this film is about the complex roles western and regional powers have played in yemen's war... ..and the story begins with an assassination mission. i first met isaac gilmore in 2020. he's a former navy seal, who later became second—in—command of a private us military firm called spear operations group. i was surprised isaac agreed to speak to me because, at the time, human rights lawyers were trying to prosecute spear for war crimes. one of the reasons that i agreed to participate in this and be part of this documentary is to be very clear about what we're doing and why. this isn't, you know, innocent until proven guilty. it's war. how did you get involved with the operation in yemen? so ultimately, i met abraham, abraham golan, who's a brother and a friend. abraham developed a relationship with mohammed dahlan and that was our path through to the uae government. we met with the appropriate bodies within the uae government. the pitch was to put pressure on isis and al-qaeda in the state of yemen and make sure that it didn't become another chaotic hub of terrorist activity, especially with the proximity to the horn of africa. in 2015, yemen was gripped by fighting on several fronts. a group called the houthis had taken over the capital, sana'a. they also briefly held aden, before a saudi/uae—led coalition — backed by the us and the uk — recaptured the city. al-qaeda had long been a presence in the south and were now gaining territory. the us feared they might plan terrorist operations beyond yemen's borders. the uae took over security for southern yemen and became the us�*s main counterterrorism ally in the region. that was the circumstances that set the stage for us to be involved in yemen in the first place. we had had the sign—off, simply a handshake, and then we had to manage the business side of it. how much were you offered? the requirement was 1.5 million per month. the next step was then to recruit guys. gun fires if we were going to target somebody that was on this list, then we made sure, in our minds, that we're not going to go out and murder somebody because this guy doesn't like that guy. we would do our own due diligence. who gave you the targets? we received the target intelligence from the uae government. how did you receive them? in intelligence packets. cards? cards. and one of them was ansaf mayo? yes. the initial operation was to go after the head of the snake, so to speak, and so it was targeting the al—islah leader. al—islah is the yemeni branch of the muslim brotherhood. three years later, when the uae�*s drone footage was leaked to the international media, ansaf found out that spear had been hired to kill him. ansaf fled to yemen after the attack and now lives in exile in saudi arabia. 0n ansaf mayo in particular, what was it that made you decide that he is a terrorist? well, there's a couple of things. 0ne, we already know that he was being financed by the muslim brotherhood, and i can tie it all together... but the muslim brotherhood aren't... they're not a terrorist organisation. yeah, they are. the united states government doesn't believe the muslim brotherhood is a terrorist organisation. yeah, they did. at one point, they did. yes, they did. ansaf�*s party, al—islah, or the reform party, is one of the biggest political organisations in yemen. its policies are inspired by the muslim brotherhood, a popular international islamist movement. the muslim brotherhood is banned in several countries, including the uae, where their political activism and support for elections is seen as a threat to the rule of the royal family. but the us has never classified the muslim brotherhood as a terrorist organisation. if your handlers, the uae, said they are definitely terrorists, you had to trust that? yeah, absolutely. it's how it works. the mercenaries will talk about their attempt to kill ansaf mayo because their cover was blown, but they're still guarded about the rest of their list. so tell me about one of the other targets you pursued, other than mayo. i'm not going to mention any names. yeah. 0k. yeah. so we had another target. all right, this one was kind of interesting. now, this guy was in a walled compound. it was a three—storey house. not very big, but three storeys. guys were asleep, but as soon as we started coming in, they heard the gunshots, everybody got out of bed. and we went in and executed the targets. it was a fair fight. 0k? _ the story of assassinations first came to my attention while i was documenting human rights abuses in yemen. hey! how are you? baraa shiban is a yemeni caseworker with reprieve's investigative team. what you see here is basically tens and tens of assassinations. the team has been compiling a list of assassinations in southern yemen. between 2015 and 2018, they've counted 102. they've all followed the same pattern, placing ied bombs on doors or on cars, and then someone comes after and starts shooting the individual. if you see, then, here, you see a surge in assassinations that are happening throughout 2016. this happens after the arrival of spear into yemen. 25 of these assassinations took place during the months that dale and isaac were in yemen. they said they assassinated a person with all of his bodyguards? yeah. this fits in. one of the names on baraa's list is ahmed al—idrisi. he was assassinated the day after spear�*s attempt on ansaf mayo. ahmed al—idrisi had his security detail around him all the time. what we understood is there was an assault that killed him and everyone around him. the details of this assassination match what dale told us about the target he refused to name. isaac and dale told me that they'd made visits to the port because they were surveilling someone there. so it fits the description, fits the date. ahmed al—idrisi was a leader of one of the yemeni forces that helped drive out the houthis. at the time of his death, his group had control of the port in aden and refused to hand it over to the uae—backed forces. aden�*s port is a key strategic asset. uae—backed forces took it over immediately after idrisi's assassination. were you involved in the assassination of ahmed al—idrisi, which happened on december 31st, 2015? no. reprieve was one of two human rights organisations that the assassination. both told us they now believe spear were behind it, as do other sources. how many targets were you given? um...over 40. yeah. and how many targets did you execute? not answering. by early 2016, dale and isaac's time with spear was coming to an end. i left spear and came back to the us. do you know if spear is still active now in yemen? no. we asked the us department of defense and the state department to talk to us about spear, but they declined. siren wails throughout 2016, assassinations continued to dominate the local news in aden. at the beginning, when those assassinations were carried out, people kept saying, "this is operations done by isis," and so on. it was not until 2018 when we started to pinpoint that actually, this is part of a systematic targeting policy. when you don't have a unified definition about who is a terrorist, you have this chaotic situation. these are extrajudicial killings, and the most important thing is that it's still happening until today. so after we started to look closely into evidence of... reprieve has obtained what they believe is a financial statement from the uae�*s foreign ministry. it states how money described as aid for yemen has really been spent. that shows here quarterly payments being paid to spear operations group. and this is the amount in saudi riyals. mm—hm. this comes to close to $17 million. we know that spear were there at 2015. this is 2020. what have they been doing there for the last five years? i think that's the main question. what were they doing? to answer that, you'd need to have been inside the uae bases in yemen where spear operated. i found a whistle—blower who was there. this man is a senior yemeni officer from aden who worked directly with the uae. he's asked us to conceal his identity. i asked spear�*s founder, abraham golan, whether his mercenaries had trained emiratis in assassination techniques, but he didn't respond. in 2017, the uae set up the southern transitional council, or stc, in yemen. one of its roles was to run security in the south. its forces included an elite counterterrorism unit. i met the head of the stc, aidarus al—zoubaidi. he's one of the most powerful figures in yemen's government and works closely with the uae. quiet speech in background off—camera, zoubaidi's media adviser intervened. zoubaidi denies that the uae is sponsoring assassinations of its political enemies in yemen, but after months of trying, i've managed to obtain a uae kill list. it's from 2018 and is seven pages long. it was leaked by a source who was working with the emiratis and was horrified by the names he saw on the list. it includes this woman, huda al—sarari. huda's in geneva to receive an award for her work investigating the uae�*s human rights abuses in yemen. applause and cheering in the end, it wasn't huda who was attacked. it was her son. after a month in intensive care, mohsen died. he was 18. eyewitnesses told the prosecutor that they recognised the gunman as a member of a counterterrorism unit funded by the uae, but nobody was charged. huda now lives in exile. she's still in fear of her life. the yemeni officer who witnessed the uae�*s counterterrorism operations had a further allegation about the men hired to kill. the whistle—blowerjust sent me this document that has a list of names. these are all guys that worked with isis or al-qaeda in yemen. he said most of the 11 men on the list had been serving sentences for terrorism. we were unable to verify all of them, but further evidence has emerged. this is nasser al—shibah. once a high—ranking al-qaeda operative, he was jailed for terrorism, but later released. a yemeni government minister who'd investigated the case told us shibah was a known suspect in the attack on the uss cole, which killed 17 american sailors. despite this, the uae recruited him to command one of the military units they're backing. he's pictured here with the head of the stc. multiple sources have confirmed shibah is working with the uae. the yemeni government minister who'd investigated the case told us he had informed the us authorities of shibah�*s suspected involvement in al-qaeda's attack on the uss cole and his current role. we put our evidence to the us state department and the department of defense, who declined to comment. peace is still out of reach in yemen. the houthis maintain their grip on the north of the country. their attacks on red sea shipping, which they say are to support the palestinians in gaza, have broadened the conflict. the uae continues to control the security apparatus in the south. despite the evidence that the uae is pursuing its own agenda, undermining stability and making it harderfor the yemeni government to return, the uae is still a key ally for the usa. we put a series of questions about spear operations group to the cia. a spokesman said, "the idea that the cia signed off on such activity is false." us laws covering mercenary activity are unclear. no—one from spear has been prosecuted. ok, so i guess, you know, the last time we met was, how long ago, three years ago? yes, february of 2020. you know, did you feel like the operation you took part of was legal? yes. is that because there was some sort of nod from washington? no, it's because we were in line with the us�*s mission in the region and we were participating with an ally of the us. one thing we discussed last time is the kill list. one of the names that was on the list that i've seen is huda sarari, who's a female, a human rights lawyer. not on my list. so the list you have is something different. i would absolutely remember if that name was on the list. to date, spear have not been prosecuted for their role in the uae�*s assassination programme, and the families of victims of the assassinations in southern yemen have yet to receive justice. hello there. sunshine may have been rather limited today but it has been a warmer day than it was yesterday. the average temperatures range from six to nine but today has been significantly milder, 15 degrees likely in the moray firth and around north wales. all due to a strengthening southerly wind which has been picking up ahead of a band of rain. still very gusty through the irish sea into the central belt of scotland. windier in the north—west of scotland but this evening the winds are beginning to ease and the winds will fall lighter elsewhere as the band of rain moves through scotland and northern ireland and comes to rest across northern england and wales. to the north it is going to be colder, north of the central belt there could be frost early on monday morning. south of the band of rain it is much milder. the rain could be heavy over the hills particularly in the north west of england, much of scotland and northern ireland could be dry with some sunshine, significantly colder than it is today, temperature taking quite a tumble. across the midlands, east anglia and the south—east where it is still dry with mild air, temperatures 1a or 15 degrees. wet weather in some places, and after dark we could see some snow falling in the southern uplands leaving icy conditions by tuesday. by tuesday morning, the area of low pressure will have taken the wet weather out of the way, leaving a cloudy start for england and wales but we will have sunshine for scotland and northern ireland pushing its way south during the day and introducing colder air again. it might be 12 degrees for a while in the south—east but eight or nine nearer the mark on tuesday afternoon. lighter winds in southern parts of the uk into wednesday but further north a different story, wet and windy weather driving in on that weather front and windy across the far north of scotland, gales widely into scotland, northern ireland and the north of england, over the hills in the highlands there could be a couple of inches of rain on wednesday. the wet and windy weather sweeps through northern ireland, england and wales look dry, some sunshine and temperatures are still ten or 11 degrees. as that weather front takes the rain southwards, the rain dies out, and then we will see a weather front bringing that milder air. live from london, this is bbc news. zheng qinwen the head of the un begs countries to continue supporting its palestinian aid agency after claims 12 staff were involved in the hamas attacks on israel. the british warship, hms diamond, shoots down a drone, fired by the iranian—backed houthis in their latest attack on ships in the red sea. turkish police hunt for two gunmen who attacked a roman catholic church, killing one person. and, britain's business secretary explains why she sacked the head of the post office — following the it scandal that left hundreds wrongly convicted of fraud. looking at the governance around the post office, and that is where my deciding that we needed a new chair of the organisation was important. it just wasn't working. and two boys aged 15 and 16 have died after being stabbed in bristol last night. a murder investigation is under way. hello, i'm rajini vaidyanathan. we begin with breaking news in the uk, and that is that a murder investigation has been launched after two boys died in a stabbing last night in bristol in the south—west of the uk. let's

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