He is ordering a Major Investigation into voter fraud, still convinced that illegal votes affected the election result. And gun violence in chicago the president says he is considering sending in the feds would it help . Well have reaction from the city. Hello it is wednesday afternoon here in washington, donald trump has promised a big day in the reform of Americas National security laws. The president is outlining changes to immigration, visa controls, and a crack down on gun violence in chicago. And of course there is the promise, which he made throughout that election campaign, to build that wall. Hes also given his first tv interview as president , here is what he said about that wall to abc news. Ultimately we will start negotiations relatively soon with mexico and we will be reimbursed by mexico. So the american taxpayer will pay for the ball first. We will be reimbursed at a later date from whatever transaction we make from mexico. The mexican president said mexico. The mexican president said mexico will not pay and added it goes against their dignity as a country and as mexicans. He has to say that. Im just telling you, there will be a payment, it will be perhaps in a complicated form, and you have to understand what im doing is good for the us and also good for mexico. We want a stable and solid mexico. When does construction begin. As soon as we can physically do it. Within months . I would say within months and certainly planning is starting immediately. Our north america editor jon sopel is here. He needs to be seen to be moving on this issue . It was the Signature Mark of his campaign and whichever rally kuwait to it was, build a wall. Then he would ask who is going to pay and the crowd would say, mexico. Except of course initially it will be the us taxpayer. Possibly mexico, maybe. Because of course the us taxpayer is going to fund this. He is saying there will be some payment, it will be complicated. What does any of that mean. He has got to get going on it but quite what is going to be because during the campaign will lead to the it would be a 20 foot high wall stretching 2000 miles. I do not think he is quite envisaging that corrupt part of it will be offence, Pa Rt Corrupt part of it will be offence, part of that reinforced wall, not quite all but it seems. Maybe that is something got used to when dealing with donald trump. He starts from one position, we end up up somewhere else. Theres the issue of whether the president wants to review the american Policy On Black Site prisons and Interrogation Techniques. Two or three hours ago i felt i was reliving an episode of homeland. Extraordinary rendition. Water boarding, black sites. All the rest of it, enhanced Interrogation Techniques. He left it open in the abc interview and throughout the campaign. He said he would do tougher stuff than water boarding. So it came to the white house briefing, which ended 30 minutes ago and the president s Spokesman Sean Spicer was asked about it. Can you shed light on the draft memo going around about interrogation practices. It is not the white house document. Those who have reported on it, ithink document. Those who have reported on it, i think this is the second day we had a document that was not a white house document reported on as a factual document. I have no idea where it came from. But it is not a white house document. Does that clear it up . I would have thought if it was complete baloney, he would have had hugejoy in saying it is Com Plete Have had hugejoy in saying it is complete baloney. Instead of which he said it is not a white house document, to my knowledge the president has not seen it. So i think there is an area of ambiguity is still in there somewhere. It clearly is not about to be an Executive Order that is going to be signed tomorrow. But if you read the document there has been a lot of careful work gone into drafting it, what it would mean, what it would not mean, changes to the army manual. So perhaps it is something on the back burner but not the full force, white house document, publication tomorrow or the day after. Yesterday we spoke about Special AdvisersStephen Bannon who of course was critical of the 0bama attitude towards tackling terror. But we heard from the Defence Secretary james mathis who has a more relaxed view on this. So is there going to be tension . I think there going to be tension . I think there is tension between the populists and the old guard, i think there are tensions between radicals and more traditionally conservative elements. James mathis the Defence Secretary thought he had convinced donald trump that actually the whole issue of torture, forget the Human Rights Aspect of it, he says it is simply not working. Much better to give someone simply not working. Much better to give someone you are simply not working. Much better to give someone you are interrogating a couple of beers and the cigarette than to start trying to water board them and hope you will get information that way. So it seems there is a tension within the administration, but not a white house document according to sean spicer. And has been more news, about the voter fraud issue. President Trump Tweeting again about this issue. We spoke of it yesterday. Is it now becoming a Political Tool with which the president and the Supreme Court will be able to look at Voting Rights issues in america . That is leaping a lot of logical steps down the way but not unreasonable. Lets hear what the critical voices are saying. It is simple, he is the thin skinned narcissist and cannot accept that he lost the popular vote to hillary clinton, all driven by that. But other people, what happens if there isa other people, what happens if there is a review and it does not come up with the conclusion saying there was voter fraud but there with the conclusion saying there was voterfraud but there is with the conclusion saying there was voter fraud but there is to eliminate any perception that there is voterfraud, in eliminate any perception that there is voter fraud, in future elections there should be people having to produce identity before they are able to vote. That could have the effect of suppressing Voter Turnout especially amongst poor African American communities, who are most likely to vote democrat. That story is dominating American Media this morning. Lets get reaction from former republican governor of virginiajim reaction from former republican governor of virginia jim gilmore. You trained on the arizona border before you went to work in Us Intelligence in europe. Do you think it is actually possible to build this wall, 1900 miles long, along the us, Mexican Border . It is pretty long and when i was their training as an Intelligence Agent there is a lot of vast desert space. The thrust of what the president is saying is that the days of open borders are over, we must be able to control our borders and that means hes going to build a wall, at least some barrier, across the southern border of the us. It is going to control people just walking across the border either with drugs or dangerous situations and that is built thrust of what the president is saying. Technically where the bricks go, where those monitors go, that will be left to the department of Homeland Security. And what about reimbursement, we heard President Trump saying there will be initially american taxpayers paying for this and then they will get reimbursed by the mexicans. How is that going to work in practice, how do we know the mexicans had said theyre not going to pay for this, are going to say fine, we will do so . Well first i would say this, the Mexican Government needs to understand it has an obligation to control its side of the border and prevent people who are dangerous to the United States from simply walking across the border. Theyre not doing that. They do nothing to protect their neighbour to the north. Therefore we have an obligation to the American People to protect ourselves up as far as how that is financially going to be handled, the president will be in discussions with our mexican labourers on trade issues and a variety of other issues and im sure there will be some Horse Trading and swapping going on to make sure the American People are protected as they protect themselves. I spent a lot of time in the last year on the borders in europe, we had a migrant crisis for some time and there is evidence that fences do work. Looking at hungary and bulgaria, migrants have been directed around those countries and perhaps those governments would say they do work. But you will know all it really does is to channel people through a different direction and people take more risks to get to where they want to go. It happens but the alternative is simply not to have any kind of Border Control of any kind. No winning you in europe should really be doing that. For the uk part of the impetus Towards Brexit was to make sure they had control of their own borders and did not have to live in a regime where they had to accept anyone from within the eu willy nilly. So because of the middle east crisis and the terrorist war weary and internationally, there is much more ofa internationally, there is much more of a move now for civilised countries to begin to force more protections on behalf of their own people. So fences can at least bring some control and make a focus on who is going where and give us a better handle on movement of people. Thank you. And we will of course bring pictures from the department of Homeland Security word donald trump is currently, as soon as we get anything from that. Well there is speculation about the reopening of black sites centres. And of course christian it comes at a time when the president s relationship with the Intelligence Community is already a little strained. The president s feud with the Us Intelligence services began before he even took office. He dismissed the need for a daily intelligence briefing, a convention stretching back tojfk. He attacked a report by Intelligence Agencies that said Russian Hackers meddled in the us election with the aim of getting trump elected. He wrongly accused Us Intelligence of leaking and unverified dossier that alleged the russians had Compromising Material on him, and then in a tweet, he compared the same Intelligence Agencies to nazi germany. That may have been an insult to far. The very first day after his inauguration, mr trump went to langley in a bid to make amends with the cia. I want to say that there is nobody that feels stronger about the Intelligence Community and the cia than donald trump. There is nobody. Nobody. But even that visit didnt go so well. Mr trump used the occasion to brag about his victory and complain about the Press Coverage of the inauguration. John brennan, the man who led the cia until resigning last week, called it a despicable display of self aggrandisement. It is not unheard of for the white house to have a confrontational relationship with the cia. After all, sometimes a president might want to do something for his own political reasons that doesnt really work from an intelligence standpoint. And that has caused inherent tensions. President bush clashed repeatedly with the agency over iraq. 0nce Dismissing a report on the course of the war as just guessing. One of his most controversial decisions was the sanctioning of so called black sites, secret overseas cia interrogation centres. President 0bama ended the practice in 2009. Now according to us media, mr trump is reviewing both that decision and future interrogation methods. Ive been speaking to leon panetta who served as both head of the cia and later the Defense Department under president 0bama to get his views. Hejoined me from california. In 2009 as director of the cia you gave the water to the agency to close the black sites prisons. Mr trump is now reportedly reviewing those black sites and enhanced Interrogation Techniques or torture, if you call it that. Do you think that would be good for National Security in america . I think it would be a serious mistake to take a backward step on those issues. The reality is we do not really need black sites, we do not need to use enhanced interrogation in order to get the information that is required. General matters believes that, i think others in the intelligence business believe that. The fbi believe that. So i think it would be a mistake to go back to that and i think it could be damaging in terms of our image to the rest of the world. In an interview with abc news mr trump appears to have said that whilst he was surprised that the new Defence Secretary does not think that enhanced Interrogation Techniques, torture, work, he has spoken to people in the Intelligence Community in the past 2a hours who have a different opinion and hes very much living it on the table. What you make of these differences of opinion . It is hard to know what exactly is going on. Within the mind of the president right now. He has talked about going back to torture, but i think a lot of people regard that as not only a violation of our values in this country but a violation of the constitution. So i think it would be a mistake in fact to even raise the possibility that we would go back to those methods. The reality is that we have been successful at being able to get the intelligence that we need in order to protect this country. We have not had another attack since september the 11th. We have been able to protect this country and do what is necessary in order to deal with terrorism. And we can do it not only in ways that protect our security, but that also protect our values. Even you yourself have the time suggested some of the information that america has got on planned terrorist activities came from these methods of interrogation. You have left that door open yourself, that some of these methods may work . The reality is that in the process of conducting some of these interrogations there is no question that information was produced, how valuable it was, how much of an impact it had, whether we could get from other sources, is a question. My from other sources, is a question. My view is when president 0bama in his Executive Order said we would not continue enhanced procedures, that we would not engage in torture, that we would not engage in torture, that that was a very important step for this country to take. Because it was a symbol to the rest of the world that were going to adhere to our values and to what we believe in and soi our values and to what we believe in and so i think that is the proper course for the United States to take it up to go back on that, to resurrect all those procedures again, ithink resurrect all those procedures again, i think would be damaging not only to our image in the world, i do not think it would be effective in terms of our ability to protect the security of our country. You raised the constitutionality of this process , the constitutionality of this process, senator mccain said this morning that the law is the law. What position would this put cia officers in potentially, if the president were to ask them to use these techniques . We are going back toa these techniques . We are going back to a process that we went through in the period after september the 11th. And in order tojustify the period after september the 11th. And in order to justify what they would do, they would need to have a legal opinion from the Justice Department that in fact came to the conclusion that is doing these kinds of procedures would be constitutional and would be legal. If that does not happen, theres no way in the world that an Intelligence Officer is going to proceed with those procedures knowing that it could violate our law. It is just knowing that it could violate our law. It isjust not going to happen. But you know what lawyers are like and presumably if you want to find a lawyer who says this is constitutional, President Trump would do that. It is not that simple to say that if you can find a lawyer in some basement who can come to that conclusion, that that would be sufficient for the cia and other Intelligence Agencies to act upon. The reality is this would have to be an opinion that a number of lawyers at the Justice Department would have to agree to. The Attorney General would have to agree to. And i th