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BBC Radio York BBC Radio York November 22, 2017 040000

This. 4 o'clock news comes from so he used the menus on 5 Live Zimbabwe's been celebrating after Robert Mugabe resigned and installed Liverpool are left with what to do after losing a 3 goal lead to draw in the Champions League. That's been euphoric scenes overnight in Zimbabwe after Robert Mugabe's resignation as president he was in power for 37 years our correspondent Ben Brown is in the capital Harare for the younger people of this country they've never lived under any other kind of leader they've always lived under his increasing make other brutal dictatorship and not only the political repression but the economic chaos it's been destroyed economically it's on its knees and somehow now people hope and pray it's a new era a new dawn for Zimbabwe his resignation that was greeted with cheers in Parliament which was starting impeachment proceedings against him among those celebrating was Peter free a white farmer who was forced to abandon his farm and Mr Mugabe's moves to distribute land to block Zimbabweans were just worried about obviously what's going to happen next his trusted left tenants are the ones that carried out his business for him and they will be the ones in power in the future and it's a question of of what happens in that transition whether we get to a place where there are free and fair election. He stepped in a week ago following Mr Mugabe's decision to sack the vice president and the cement He's expected to return to Zimbabwe to be sworn in as president later this week. David Cassidy has died he was 67 he was admitted to a hospital in Florida last week with Martin multiple organ failure a correspondent is Peterborough he had been ill for quite a long time in fact it was earlier this year that he announced that he was essentially retiring he was ending his 50 years in the business he'd been suffering from memory loss he had dementia and arthritis which he talked about the time that actually made it very difficult he said for him to perform who has admitted covering up a security breach last year that affected $57000000.00 riders and drivers the company paid the hackers $75000.00 pounds to delete data including e-mail addresses mobile numbers and the license details of drivers the chancellor Philip Hammond says who used today's budget to invest to secure a bright future for Britain he says the government will commit to supporting families struggling with the cost of living has a political correspondent Ben right on the Andrew Marr Show on Sunday there was a restatement of the target the government has wanting to build $300000.00 new homes a year but only nudges and winks about how they might actually try and get their possible cut to stamp duty for 1st time buyers there was talk from the chancellor about intervening to get money to smaller house builders Labor's urging him to call time on a stereotype and boost public services they Argentine Navy says it fears oxygen is running out on one of its submarines which has been missing in the southern Atlantic for nearly a week $44.00 people are on board and c.b.s. Has sacked one of America's best known presenters Charlie Rose after he was accused of sexually harassing 8 women the allegations appeared in The Washington Post. That's the news has this Bush level manager you can club says he has no problem with the mentality of his players suffer they threw away a 3 goal lead in the 1st half to draw 33 with survey in the Champions League they now need to avoid defeat when they have sponsored Moscow to make it to the last 16 top them in Manchester City were already through they've ensured they topped that group's Spurs came from behind to win 2 want to Dortmund while city the final one nil their hat trick for both teams that bromelain was Sheffield United missed out on the chance to go top of the Championship after being beaten fined for by Fullam Well Chris Coleman's 1st game in charge of Sunderland ended in a $21.00 defeat at Aston Villa England captain Joe Root says the 1st Ashes Test at Brisbane's Gabba will be hostile and intimidating but that his players should not be scared of Australia will have ball bubble commentary on far flung sports an extra on coverage on the b.b.c. Sport website an up from midnight and in the Be Union in women beat Canada 4912 at The Stoop to secure a series victory with a test to spare this is b.b.c. 5 live on digital on the smartphone and stop that kind of quick look at the weather though the heavy rain across northern England Wales and Scott the later but at the tryouts where bells are expected across England and Wales highs of 10 degrees in Belfast and 15 in Cardiff the last life 6 days easier to say shit with more Champions League come attraction this week 2 nights the same hours allowed to Manchester United States kick on $745.00 in the build up stumps in Fife life still goes from 6 the same you can also download the release podcast from around the biggest cities to a serious elite club competition to share music base a slightly 6. Being sold as slaves. To crimes against. At least. Taking migrants across the border. And. There was. A day in which he crossed. Like a cat. But we begin with a memory. And 7 days heartthrob David Cassidy who as we have heard has died at the age of 67 some of his biggest hits. That last song I write the songs you may have thought this was a song in fact they formed by a man with a record that David Cassidy had a hit list that David Brown joins us his contributing at a sort of Rolling Stone and I think you wrote about it they had Cassaday in the 1990 s. So David there are you very good very good how do you how do you remember David Cassidy How did you meet him. I met him about yeah I guess it was about 25 years ago he was doing one of his kind of perpetual comebacks and he was putting out a new record and he was it was an interesting point his career you seem like he was in some ways coming to terms with the Partridge Family success I think that often haunted him and he was he even had his hair back and that shag haircut in this in the seventy's. I mean for a lot of people is no joy to have been a child star is it I mean it takes a lot of people a while to come through that you know I think you have Miley Cyrus and another it's not been easy. It was and I mean I think David was an example of that be careful what you wish for thing in some ways because he grew up in a showbiz family wanted to be a singer and make music and he got this great great jump you know as the star of The Partridge Family Network show about music. And he was his massive teen idol but it came with a price for him which is that it wasn't the kind of music he loved you know when I interviewed him back in the day he said you know I'm a child of the sixty's he grew up he loved Jimi Hendrix and cream and Eric Clapton and he could play guitar and that's the music you really always wanted to make and now he was kind of typecast as this you know teen idol pop star and it was something you know he grappled with that kind of kind of stereotyping as it were for the rest of his career even though people familiar songs to say I mean he was it was instant Wasn't it kind of success it was and it was overwhelming for him in so many ways and it was even a horrible incident over in the u.k. Where you know a fan of his I think with 174 girl was it was crushed to death at one of his concerts and it was it was it was a Justin Bieber type situation in the early seventy's with this guy and and I think . You know again it's it's it's what you want but at the same time you know there's always a dark side to that I mean off the pot his family could have just just headed for the hills going to be and be like Bob Newhart or somebody. From the Sea Right right but he you know he yeah he came from a showbiz family you know his father jackass and his step mom showed Jones who were you know entertainers and actors and I think it was it was just in the blood you know and so he kept trying other t.v. Shows and kept making records and did Broadway and. I mean he did keep he did keep active I mean you have to give him credit for that he kept trying to reinvent himself and and get away from that partridge family thing and I think to some degree succeeded and I think you also eventually did come to terms with the fact that hey people love i think i love you and I'll meet you half way and all those songs and he did Vegas didn't he for a long time to do ever see the biggest show I I never did see the Vegas show I think I saw him when I saw him in the ninety's he was trying to be more of a rock guy again you know which was again not an easy thing for him to convince people that he could he could make sort of you know harder rock and roll music you know it was even though it was in his blood but but people didn't want to see him in that way and it was it was a source of frustration for him and his little known fact by me. That he hung out with Alice Cooper he went through a phase there yeah after the parser's family in the seventy's he was hanging out in Hollywood and and he kind of became part of that whole whole l.a. Scene there and made you know made records with some of those people. He even wrote a song for the pop group of Asia you know so you know he he he as you said before he did the 1st version of I write the songs so he discovered that song before other people insist that he didn't have a hit with it he always had bad luck like that. I mean I always seeking out heads over him or I was saying well he did he did amazingly well and you know he was a product of his time but he was I think were shaking our heads over you know the. His age and what he suffered from to to to be to deal with dementia all these things when you're just in your sixty's is something I think that is just adds a sad layer to the whole story you know that there are parts of his life the same kind of and last few years he was really suffering that you saw he was he was forgetting lyrics on stage and all kinds of embarrassing things were starting to happen and. Now we know what it was but you know I think we're I want to hand the did have a pretty pretty long and full career for 14 Idol that doesn't always happen those people and he really did you know he was pretty well rounded as an entertainer but it's also sad too because he I mean he he struggled with his identity and dimension the sixty's which is just too soon horrible Yeah David thank you famous sure Rocketeer Thank you David broad from Rolling Stone Well of. The Mugabe resignation has been a huge topic of ours tonight as we know Vice President Imus non-God was good to succeed him and after the resignation lawmakers roared in jubilation. Makushi Mugabe as a spokesman for the opposition m.d.c. The Movement for Democratic Change based in the u.k. And he was watching the celebrations in Harare yesterday said it was bittersweet if I see all those people all my compatriots celebrating I can understand their frustrations and their celebrations that you know finally Mugabe is gone because he had become you know the personalized. Their suffering so much to him so I can understand very well why they would celebrate the way they are doing but. I really feel sorry for them because what's going to happen. I cannot anticipate anything really good coming out of it. It would appear wouldn't it I mean Mr Bernanke was Mr Mugabe's head of security so he has been very involved in this administration yes in fact in the current period he was. The justice minister for the last 4 years now as the justice minister he was also responsible for supervising the. What we call the isn't Bob way Electoral Commission military commission really which runs which runs the elections so we've had. We had a constitutional. Upgrade recently and some of the recommended. Changes which were actually made in the Constitution included changes to the Electoral Act which would make the electoral commission more independent. And allow for and. Don't allow for cheating and so on and put in a make make it really impartial. And he was the Minister for Justice and he's supposed to implement those changes in the can even if you totally So we have still got this electoral commission that's very impartial that's very partial to your party I say 10 yes yeah it was an appeal Yeah well you see we have not had this the elections in September 28th and the Zanu p.f. Say that they will be held but are you telling us that. You think that they won't be very fair there will be a level playing field that same election is the one that we have been trying so we have been trying just about everything to get them to implement the changes to their constitutions which were actually passed by the constitutional commission but they've been refusing and they woman who. Is running the commission she's called the justice micros is actually the judge she just pretends like she doesn't know what is going on and she doesn't respond to complaints we have. All kinds of complaints people being intimidated when they come to register to vote the voting system itself. There's no way that we did a Political parties either political parties can check on the computers where they actually were that they were actually clean before they started registering voters because not supposed to be implementing and you voters will but in the previous. Elections devoted throws were corrupted with names that were just made up by the by the previous electoral commission so that's so that you that's what they used to cheat so is there no chance that no chance of Zimbabwe I see how they are government of reconstruction or a government of national unity Well this is what we're hoping that I was a subduction is writing in editorial for. Each. Saying we want to hear him from his inauguration speech or whatever when he is also saying that he was under duress by Mugabe like everyone else claims all if so then is he going to implement these changes which he was supposed to have implemented as minister of justice that would be a good start so we really want to hear from him we would give him let's give him the benefit of the doubt. I'm sure was the tone of the tone by the soldiers sounded like they really wanted a national inclusive. Sort of. Way of going about things but we really don't know where that is going to depart from his. Take a little tedious I thinking. But Mugabe who tells me he is a proper Mugabe and nothing to do with the former president all of that name 20 years after the Zimbabwe became officially independent in 1980 Peterhead lard Hain was Africa minister in the Labor government and dealt with both Robert Mugabe and the man who's likely to become the new president Emerson and Gaga I asked Martin if Britain used sinful insufficiently in his opinion when Robert Mugabe's abuses of power became apparent remember Britain started from the wrong place we didn't actually support the freedom struggle in fact there were quite a lot of people that didn't including government ministers who tacitly backed in Smith's white minority regime and so when McGarvie was swept to power on that massive landslide that many of us for example myself involved in the empty opponent it struggled greeted with delights he was seen as the leader of the freedom struggle and from the time onwards when he started going bad and exterminated so many thousands of people in much of Billie land because they pose a threat to his political power base and then continued to become increasingly corrupt and despotic I think Britain lost any kind a real traction with him but it derives from the fact that. At an establishment level we were not part just as we were not part of supporting the anti appointed struggle that many people in Britain did do so but the establishment didn't. But you know enabled to some extent you know by by people in Britain you know who carried on commercial interests. Oh yes exactly people did business with him he had a lot of support from the business community including the white business community that initially he treated quite treated with their canoe Missy and then as he became increasingly dictatorial started seizing farms and the point of up the farms was not just that the white farmers who lost their farms but also $100.00 black workers on average per farm who lost their jobs and what was even more criminal was that those farms went. Cyd and soon became barren and Zimbabwe from Big being the bread basket of southern Africa became its became reliant on imported food aid so I think that whole lost support from Mugabe lost support within the the white business community and indeed the contacts abroad here in Britain as well. What's Britain's role now that in trying to to see if reconstruction is possible trying to see if Zimbabwe can somehow turn a corner. Well we'll have to see I mean China is much more influential in Zimbabwe than Britain is much more influential and has been for years but what Britain can do and certainly the European Union can do whether we are part of it or not is try is try to revisit that program of assistance that for example when I was Africa minister from 9099 to 2001 we were trying to do as a Labor government in support through millions of pounds of tens of millions of a lable for the land transfer in an orderly lawful and proper basis rather than the criminal basis that ended up in the farms becoming in 1st of all and largely abandoned because they were handed over to Mugabe's cronies or all of them to be. Who knew how to form a proper programme of land reform could still and I think should be supported by different Britains International Development Department and by the European Union and rebuilding the country should also be supported because it's in our interest as a British nation that we have a Zimbabwe with which we have generations of links family basis and in other ways it was a British colony to actually support it to rebuild itself provided that the government of Zimbabwe the new government is not siphoning left money off corruptly as Mugabe and his henchmen have been doing do you think Britain will be actually reaching out to Mr Monk. Well I think they should I think the British government should do that of course he has a bloodstain history alongside Mugabe is his henchmen but I think he's a much more pragmatic individual I remember meeting him when I was Africa minister as indeed I had met Mugabe but quickly fell out with him when he started making ridiculous accusations. About me and. About I thought. God is as a much more savvy in a global sense individual with contacts more broadly on a global level that I think will enable him. To rule in a much more effective way I was I wasn't good to see inclusive way because he's no democratic pluralist and it remains to be seen whether he will go into the next general election g before July next year in a way that is in a way that excepts a willingness to the to agree to the result whatever it is Mugabi would never agree to. Losing an election as he did in the 1st round of the presidential elections in 2008 and one on God well was one of the people who made sure the missile attack on the opposition meant that the opposition the victorious opposition leader over Mugabe in the 1st round Morgan Shangri-La I withdrew from the 2nd round so there was no contest because he feared for his life and that of his that of his party activists and so we need to see whether my non-God is prepared to accept a democratic verdict that goes against him not necessarily that it will do if he rules in an in an inclusive effective and efficient way and brings in the international community and reaches out to investors in a way that McGaughey with Mugabe it turn them away and if he puts an end to the corruption and that's arcing then then I think they wind in a better place but that's also seeing a lot because remember this this change this party Putsch as I think that's a

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