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The London Bridge it has now become mired in politics we're asking you this lunchtime do you think it's wrong to use a terror attack like this for political advantage during an election campaign or is it perfectly appropriate when choosing a new government and a new prime minister to compare the records of Boris Johnson and Jeremy Corbett on combating terrorism also a think tank specializing in the experience of living longer in our society suggests that older people would be better off spending their own money and their savings while they have it rather than passing it on to their children after they die then after 1 o'clock today we'll be debating calls for cities like Belfast to appoint a night czar to lead on the development of a thriving nighttime economy. Call us on the 030. 5555 tweet b.b.c. Talkback text into 1771 or email the program. And b.b.c. U.k. Welcome to talkback Now let me just explain what. 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Political event to try to make political capital of the London terror attack during a campaign. 6 with this love I'm delighted to say our phone lines are now working again the got a technical fix which means that all you need to do is call the regular number 030-308-0555 extension 5 we'll get your voice on the radio this lunchtime you can text a 1771 with comments with your name on it or even questions that you think we should be asking but more than anything of course pick up the phone 03030. 805555 Boris Johnson the general Coleman have joined other leaders including the mayor of London Sunday can at this morning's vigil for the victims of Friday's London Bridge attack Jack Marat who was 25 and Saskia Jones who was $23.00 were murdered at a prisoner rehabilitation event at fishmongers hall which overlooks the Thames at London Bridge Jack and Saskia were both passionately committed to giving x. Offenders a 2nd chance in life and in a statement this weekend Jack's family said and I quote he believed in redemption and rehabilitation not revenge and he always took the side of the underdog we know that Jack would not want this terrible isolated incident to be used as a pretext by the government for introducing even more draconian sentences on prisoners or for detaining people in prison for longer than necessary end of quote and yet very quickly Friday's attack became embroiled in campaign politics the Tories are now running an online ad claiming that Boris Johnson is quote tough on terrorism while Jeremy Corbin is soft on terrorism and a political blame game is under way in relation to sentencing rules early release principles licensing conditions Boris Johnson on the Andrew Marr Show yesterday put the blame fairly at Labor's door how could he be out so early the answer is I'm afraid that he was out because he was on automatic early release when the judges reviewed his sentence in 2012 they had no option but to comply with the law that labor brought in in 2008 which meant affected you say labor you've been in power for effectively that he was out he was out that they had to comply with the law as it stood and he was out in 8 years Boris Johnson speaking yesterday to the. Andrew Marr as I say putting the blame firmly not fairly That's a matter of you to decide firmly at Labor's door then speaking on the Today programme Nick Hardwick the former chair of the Parole Board says this issue of terror attacks is too complicated and should not be turned into a political football politicians from both parties have very difficult choices to make this is simply not a suitable subject for. Political point scoring it's complicated it needs careful thought and it needs us to have access to all the facts of this case before we determine the response let's get your calls on this one do you think it's appropriate during a general election campaign that we should be embroiled in this kind of political conversation run who is to blame on terror sentencing and terror release programs this is the editor of The Daily Mirror Kevin Maguire is with us and I will bang studio and also Henry Hill from Conservative Home Welcome to both of you good afternoon afternoon and let's come to you 1st Kevin what do you make of the politics of all of this well I think it's appropriate to discuss it because it is an issue when it happen Journal lection come pain but I think the tone has been absolutely stomach churning and victims and their families. Say a moral authority when they've suffered like this they have no veto over debate but they do have a moral authority and David merit you mentioned him the father of John marriage to who died as did today denounced also the what he called vile propaganda as he was looking at the front pages near identical front pages of The Daily Mail on the Daily Express to Tory support in papers both hailing Boris Johnson's promise of a blitz against terrorists and he's accusing them of spreading hatred division. And ignorance and yes I. I watched the prime minister on a Morrow I was really and I was going to sound condescending but I've known him for years I was still disappointed by his tone instead of saying we've got to learn lessons how did this happen he went straight on the attack on his political opponents glossing over that he is a member of a party which in power 10 years you heard under most sane which abolished the preventive senses it's shaved 40 percent of the justice budget there are fewer police officers fewer courts fewer prison officers and sadly the prevention programs are so I just become box ticking particularly in universities which are seen as graduation schools by some Johnnies some has gone badly wrong here the system has failed 2 families who are mourning lost ones 3 other families who are worried about the injury suffered are the people who are traumatised lessons need to be made. But we didn't get that from the prime minister on us Labor's going on the attack to is not entirely on one side but I think the Labor tone on this occasion as being better I think they've gauged its sound than Boris Johnson and Henry in addition to that ad I mentioned from the Conservative Party line this morning another one has appeared today showing the picture of Boris Johnson in the picture of Jeremy Coben with the headline should convicted terrorists of their full sentences and then a quote from both under Boris Johnson the quote is dangerous terrorists should serve their full sentence and under the picture of Jeremy Corben quote not necessarily is this cheap politics and Rick. I think it's inevitable that when something like this happens during a general election it's going to become a political issue for all the it's possible if you work and you know if you work in the Congo or another nonpolitical element by the parole board it's very easy to sort of wring your hands a bit and say oh if only this wasn't you know this is politics it's how it is how it always works it's how it always has worked so I think there's something to the kind of pro-forma. Ritual complaint which which is which is a bit tedious The timing could obviously be better I do think Kevin is right that Boris Johnson could have shown a bit more contrition given that the government has been in office for almost 10 years about the role that both sides of played my actually think the public often respond better to that voters are often you know they can tell immediately when a politician is doing that whole climate when all of this is the fault of the oppositional the other side and I don't think that it goes down terribly well but on the question of you know is it appropriate to highlight the differing attitude of both of the candidates for prime minister on this issue in the immediate aftermath of this issue when it's high in public it's when it's high in the public's attention I think that is that is except when Boris Johnson Speaks lowered the summit is that this big of a a blitz on fried terrorist Well what should we take to Maine and Rick. When I saw that I can see what it means is that there is. An urgent review is being conducted of. Former terrorists prisoners who have been released and when they review I don't know what criteria this is based on but if they review consider them to be I don't care what the public and they're being called in some way and paid. Obviously I think that would probably be a privilege to a more direct going review of sentencing and point and you know all of once more facts and the problem that we've got it as we've seen is that previously there's been a great reluctance on the part of the government to introduce what would rich right to education which is that which is legal changes which apply to things which have already happened so one of the reasons I think that the breach at Taco was out with this point the fact that the Coalition came into government in 2010 when they brought in changes which ended automatic. They didn't apply that retroactively to this that it's already been handed down which meant that when he came up with it he was consecrated by the change but the law now it might be a case of federal protection do you think when but I think that what the conservatives are probably going to be doing is looking at reviewing those cases and then if necessary instituting retroactive registration where they think that's a threat of that and so some of the Tory spokespersons today Kevin were explaining what they're up to what they're doing in response to I think 74 freed quote unquote jihadi reviewing licensing conditions to ensure that people are complying with the licensing conditions and of course that he's a normal part of reviewing that goes on anyway that licensing conditions would be would be complied with and meeting with these individuals to check the doing so and we also learn that is something that was being done anyway but let me ask you about this additional suggestion that we heard today I ban on those x. Calling that. Attending the kind of event. Where this attack took place on Friday no that was an ex offenders rehabilitation event is that a good move to ban extenders attending a rehabilitation of Ed No we want x. Offenders to go to rehabilitation events by understand why that is initiated certainly as a temporary measure on this because it it's not in a controlled environment here in the fishmongers or anybody could go along it's not as if you're meeting with your probation officer who would know how to deal with anybody if they became became difficult I understand as a temporary move why they've done that and they'll assess health and safety what measures could be to be taken but a roadblock in the justice secretary seem to have a much better tone today he is a lawyer I think you understand these things much better than the prime minister and he wanted to come in to calm it all down but it is it is just just depressing and it was the it was this Sunday Times of the headline Boris Johnson lock him up throw away the key then it turns out to be 14 years it is just plain in. Public ignorance scaremongering reviewing those who are released is quite quite sensible in fact an associate of the terrorist is being rearrested on suspicion of plotting plotting terrorism all that is is sensible but there are huge huge issues that we have to deal with and the fitness of the public services which are straining. Breaking up the scenes creaking apart because they being starved of forms that was a very botched Private Eye zation of probation which is being reversed all these issues have to be looked at as well as how long. People are sentence for I've personally always thought it's very odd that you have automatic early release where I can see a thing. We have too many people in prison who are probably there for for the wrong reasons but terrorists usually are there for the right reason you should be released if you show good behavior or you successfully completed the radicalization program there is a great worry now that many terrorist in prison one refuse to engage with these programs and to just regard them as box ticking exercises when they do I think we have to take them more seriously but they can always be hope of turning people they get caught up in this jihadi mindset this ideology the virus takes hold but it doesn't hold them all forever you can you can turn them in that's what we need to do but something is going to horribly horribly wrong here and to see it cynically exploited politically for party purposes doesn't feel right at all in fact feels quite sick Henry Hill we are in the middle as we keep saying we are in the middle of a lection campaign and a terror attack has taken place is perfectly understandable reasonable the politicians will want to talk about terror legislation during the camp campaign of a many people texting into this program today it's also about which candidate for Prime Minister Vajpayee use that expression do you most trust when it comes to dealing with terrorism and Boris Johnson no doubt will be hoping that this will give him an opportunity to put the attention on Jeremy cordons record. Well yes precisely I think here that's about. What I said earlier fundamentally this is whenever something like this happens anyway it's always going to become a political issue because their politicians will say anything they touch turns to politics how it works but especially during the last 2 weeks of a general election campaign it is inevitably going to put security issues front and center and it's not as if this wasn't a line of attack a vector of attack the conservatives were using anywhere you know ever since Jeremy called in his 1st elected in 25 think they have been enacted labor later they have been going very hard on his record on national security already a friendship with a mouse and all about this is very well established conservative attack line and on top of which evidence for it Johnson became prime minister. Which is months before this attack one of the key conservative policy off but they've been building up and summer has been on Law and Order you know all of these promises of tens of thousands of extra police officers and all the rest of it was the tone of Certainly not been pretty and I think that there are always there are always ways in which politicians would handle this. Has happened Ben has played into if you like to preexisting conservative to pre-Christian conservative act I think that that's why it looks as if the party has been so sick to jump on top of it because actually they've been saying all of this stuff anyway it's just getting more prominent and it's getting more news partly because that point into this particular. Kevin 11 tweet in the program from Jonathan says Boris Johnson has a terrible record on terrorism and you waiting otherwise and this is an example of crass disgraceful bias others are saying well actually look at Jeremy Corman on terrorism and his associations over the years and what he said about terrorism over the years can he be trusted as a prime minister on the question of terrorism I think there are legitimate questions because of that friendship with Hamas specifically to the Ira and Sinn Fein up at that time. Explanations fall for both but I think it's fair enough to to ask it but what I come back and it was an attempt at deflection by Boris Johnson because his party has been in power nearly 10 years he wants to blame Jeremy Corbyn when he should be taking a long hard look in the mirror and wonder how his own party in government. Somehow created a system where this is happened I'm not saying you can actually blame them for for it you got to blame primarily the terrorist involved but could cold actions have been taken to stop this happening if there were better systems in place if you know. Asked for help which his solicitor claimed was then denied who is to blame for that well it's not Jeremy Coleman and it is the case with Boris Johnson he always goes on the attack he thinks that the best form of defense we know he's a stranger to the truth whether is a 350000000 pounds week for the n.h.s. On the side of the Bracks it boss or more recently on n.h.s. Spending building new hospitals nurses yesterday in the interview it claimed parliament had blocked is Queen's speech when it voted for it he blames others in Parliament for blocking Brecht's it when he voted against it twice then pulled his own bill for an election I'm afraid that question of trust and his response is absolutely a legitimate question too and on the question of Certainly Korvin get a DUI Do you trust personally do you trust Kevin Jeremy Coleman dealing with terrorism. I think I would sure he's going to going to make mistakes of his prime minister as Boris Johnson would but look there's no one more against violence and terror than Jeremy Corbyn I understand particularly in Northern Ireland where one half of the community in particular will be very hostile to him for what happened in the past sometimes I believe he could be accused of being rather well intentioned but somewhat naive there's no question about that but you had governments including the fact should government secretly speaking to people well he just did it more more openly. You know 30305555 we're talking to Henry Hill from conservative home and Kevin Maguire from the Daily Mirror pot symbolic isn't Hello Pat low with them. There's a question I think needs to be arsed and the question is Who proper Who benefits from that event. When you look at the fall of problems it's very clear that the Conservative Party or the weather. What a period of a mere provers. To base a major response to state the benefit of their campaign against what they call against. Sort of call them using this as a tool to be called them on the what they call on the terrorism but why do you think that the important question who profits politically from this event well. That the back of us are when you see something like that they're the best at it at all. The question God forbid that are there is some Ok but the question is the safety of how that is a very convenient very well because the laws are very appropriate. That in the circumstances was why when the discussion of whether called up the management of terrorism is called I'll show you Gulnaz a very convenient event it's an event carried out by as far as we can tell a lone operator terrorist Well that's that's what appears to be on the surface here what do you think it is. A conspiracy theories run far deep All right thank you Pat will mail a 10 foil hat to you as soon as the program's over B