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Radio Stoke my name spilled I was never the next hour want to hear from you about the state your team finds itself in where does stoke city go from here the 1st talk of relegation is read this weekend but Joe Allen insists that the team on treating the situation like I've been a total of no knight I know the players in the dressing room well are nuts that's not where we're at we haven't got those personalities of this club that would approach a game like that. 5 points from 9 for poor after that draw with Oldham at the weekend but there are still voices of discontent that 2 goalkeeper Scott Brown know thinks that the team definitely improving I've been in the club long enough now and I know the players in the dressing room well announce that's not where we're at we haven't got those personalities of this club that would approach a game like that no more Joe and playing for you twice but never mind I know going for crew at the weekend but David ourselves been talking about his forward options including cheap lack of game time so far so are telling. 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Radio Stoke fill by I was sitting in for the lead Lightman this week 8 minutes past 6 plenty of time to get your calls in we've got plenty to get through as well there's lots and lots of things to talk about tonight sort of very interesting stuff today about Stoke City on the 3 occasions that they've been relegated to the 3rd tier previously they've had a great to point total at this stage of the season than they have got now from listening to praise and grumble at the weekend and from Friday night as well the word the relegation word is starting to appear now so are you genuinely concerned about that do you have the look of the team that could go down we chatted in the office earlier today about if this wasn't Stoke City and we were looking at this club from outside another club in the country you'd be looking at them saying nailed on our next to go down this is so much going on there that would indicate relegation is a definite possibility with. Again lots of voices of discontent about this not being a very good team but you know there are 11th in League One sorry in league I wish that I'm the only 111th in the league too so it's not really a bad thing considering the last 2 seasons although the trouble and strife are there we'll hear from Scott Brown a little bit later on why he feels that things have changed there. Crew course didn't play but one of the things I wanted to get some crew funds to talk about tonight that the season's going great guns game against the white veil at the weekend top of League 2 but there's lots of scouts at your games and inevitably increase position they're going to attract interest so is the possibility of losing players in January really the only thing that's going to derail your season want to hear from you 801218881 trouble 3 Start message with the word Stoke as well you can get in touch on social media at b.b.c. Radio Stoke also got a Monday mind boggling for you which I'll give to you right now now this could absolutely be anybody we do have a couple of clues if you're going to get caught out by I won't give them to you just yet Ok if you want to go tonight this is the question which player has been caught offside the most in Premier League history and the person who sat there on the other side of the gossip is giving me an evil grin If you haven't seen Star Wars and seen Emperor Palpatine and that's what he looks like right now which player's been caught offside the most in Premier League history so if you want to go to Monday mind boggling that's what it is let's get to the phones now Mick from leak is 1st call it a not good evening mic fell good evening what do you want to say this evening well 1st of all I mean I was worried about the r word anyway and I think for quite a while before you read the test it just read out. And it just seems we're back to where we were a couple weeks ago when. A lot of people me included were were basically demanded in the poll say that Nathan Jones or to go after the voters feel defeat and then of course we have the 2 fantastic performances and wins and then Ok fair enough praise where praise is due to the team of of have turned out to a man and played as we expect them to play Actually every single game and got a couple wins is this the magical turnaround who all been waiting for as it's a flash in the panel fortunately seems like it's just a flash in the pan and the pattern it would seem is going to be that most games. Most or all of the teams own time slips show or don't actually start playing until well into the 2nd half although So in a reasonable performance and individual errors will cost us the game. And very very occasionally we will have maybe one or even 2 if we're lucky decent performances but that isn't enough. To get us out of the position where at the moment I mean somebody on the Ok. To end up a very interesting statistic that we can do partly Now Nathan Jones as it's been with Stoke City for a season's worth of games yeah yeah and I see it with the guys we've had last 4 wins yeah yeah now that interested think if you don't mind me quoting a little bit for what Nathan Joe said in the Sentinel. And he says I take responsibility for that meeting the situation now because I'm the manager but in-house there will be questions asked that's a lot of work nice to be done a lot of transitional work you know how much transition a work around what's transitional times of the need well this is the big question I think because. What what I like and you know our. Pivotable me I'm not you know I go and watch occasionally just to see how the day and the games I've seen since Nathan Jones has been in charge what strikes me is that they are a team that is very very fragile when it comes to confidence and the many something happens whether it be a sending off whether it's conceding a goal whether it's one at it just seems to me that the entire team is stuck like a house of cards and go to many the many Something even insignificant goes wrong and when you're in the situation I think you know you it's really difficult to see how you can change that without doing what they have done and that's completely ridiculous for the squad out on the money to probably and getting so and getting a manager and a set to play as it would just go to bit more belief in themselves because they look like they've not got any Yeah they agree with me or not I mean I think it's also Yeah I mean you could I mean as far as your point goes about the collapsing like a house of cards when even one tiny that allow women to shade of a good look at we're not the to the victory against ones that have actually got it's fallen I watched the game again Sheffield Wednesday on the television last week and I was ecstatic. Kind of to come out of the blocks like a you know 11 greyhounds and go at Sheffield Wednesday and be filled with some kind of confidence. On the back of the 2 went on to really go out and after the 1st 20 even before the 1st injury. They loot like you know Nathan Jones again posted that much that he didn't think they lose leg Well I certainly thought they looked like you they didn't seem to have any kind of momentum any kind of confidence or passion of course the thing that a change that pretty much was it had to take not brutal mountains and out of the equation to to l. Miss an even that tiny that will change the use of thought enough to upset their equilibrium for them to call miles not be the confident side to and in the performances of swans in fall and as you just said if that's all that takes because at the end of the I know it's easy to just to say if you're just a spectator but at the end of the day these people professional sportsmen They're professional athletes and the title money yeah yeah and to do and to do that job and to do it well mystically paid the money to get him paid you've got to be physically and mentally robust enough. To take the knocks and support talk with the pressure and not add a little thing knock you out of your stride I mean I wouldn't want to do or I wouldn't be the person for it but I'm not on the pay $40.00 grand to wait for what everything is to do the job and they said and they sent out and got it and fortunately. You know Nathan Jai was basically says in the end is a nice sentiment of the only night he says just another day where he says and of a time we have to get results otherwise it will be a continual slide that has to change I mean he's been saying that for a long long time yeah I know I. Could I mean I think we'll have to move on in just a sentiment because we've got lots of colas pull the one thing I do want to just ask you very quickly if Stoke Nathan Jones do you think they will get out of trouble at the bottom No because there's no indication that there will are set up before the pattern is what we've already say you know over this season's worth of games and one also saying nothing you mean you were just top of the 4 if any so not the point are very large to make as. You were saying really what we need is for them to read out the manager and the squad pretty much I would agree with that because they're clearly not up to the job on the basis of the performances so far but also we've got a problem with the chairmen the people behind all that I mean. I was listening to all praising grumbles I hadn't listened to when they were actually on the air I went into the archive recently and then I came across as very only one. Interview that label even that with Peter codes who are back I didn't realise it was on at the time probably and it one point in the interview Liebman such a pizza guy was do you and Nathan Jones share the same vision of Peter Coutts iconic the exact wording but Peter Cote said something along the lines of I don't do the Asian vision is for dreamers. Yeah that really kind of set it all that we've got a channel and it doesn't have any kind of station or concept for this float then you know really how we're going to get out of this mess that was those 3 those are kind of the 3 pillars that we stand and I feel like the chairman the board the people in the background the manager and the team and they're all totally shaky Ok we've got to we've got to move on but thanks very much for the call that's Mick in Lake County to say office call Andy is our next caller just no fun as well and you're right I'm trying to thanks Mike Yes What do you want to say listen I put the blame for this fairly and squarely down to the manager I'm old enough to remember the days of gloom Akari and he had 3 but when he 1st came in he talked about 3 things 1st of all the system to the players you've got 2nd of all the fitters and everyone else that you're playing and thirdly judgment on whether you see month on month improvement and I'm afraid after 3536 games Jones is the best I can give on any of those 3 is probably to our 10. Players I was at Sheffield last week and Millwall and the players have said don't clearly don't buy into the system we were promised young young hungry players and we've got all have things and people who are over the hill some evidence by the fact that they are I think the 9 players that came in over the summer. The only 2 were playing on Saturday and month on month improvement there has been no improvement I think most folks supporters when Gary wrote that was sacked last month lost last January thought but was about as low as we could go we have gone plenty back from that and we are getting worse month on. I agree with the previous caller the 2 wins were clipped and I think what with what finished off from a listening to. The post match interview on or about for Millwall with that there was there was some suggestion that Jones thought we were top 6 sides with absolutely where we are exactly where we deserved to be there was another comment around the fact that my things don't play this way they play on well I'm a sorry but I have watched 25 of your 35 games and your play your things do play that way but you think you are on what you think in terms of how they are on the pitch and we talk about this time information and fullback someone not but if he is simple is that the way setting the more poor is there or is there a lack of confidence in the place from your perspective is there a lack of ability because on paper it's a decent squad and he should be getting something out of the chimney he's a cool he shows like a comeback there aren't many players in that squad the other managers in the Championship get given a given you know given a fair run wouldn't want from from Jack Butland up the front so people lack of focus and you can sign for lots of money. Come back to the point you've got to fit the system to the players that you've got and the players don't fit the system so it's a long Saturday diamond diamond suggests that you want full backs bombing all. Of them down the way and you've got to send a house full back to Tommy Smith was signed for 4000000 pounds the Muslim woman squad was that the reason like you can go on the Tommy Smith. Paolo where people go oh I mean it's lit it's it's it's it's utterly shambolic the manager said judge him after 10 games after 10 games the time came with the hardest real game which was which. Was that which was dreadful always look at us I only got a couple of wins on Honestly Aung sat south of the mall was probably the 2nd worst overall performance talk saying 40 odd years watching Stoke and to the worse by the way was the milk for the fate on both articles we can back in the early early ninety's I think it was it was it was genuinely It was a lot but then to come on the matches come on the side or to leave delusion on his post match comments it's got to go might it really doesn't go we're down he sounded very angry after the game on Saturday and you know there's plenty of times where he sounded a exasperated but that's the 1st time I've ever heard him sound angry Is there a point do you think where he'll go before he's very good before somebody takes action further up well I'd like to know if you had anything about him you know he's a he's a man of great fights like Jones not Myron so that. You could argue and late last time I looked up and created the 8th commandment was that shalt not steal. You know you could argue when he's been stealing a living off of Stoke for a play with a time if he looks himself in the mirror he will know that he's not doing the job he's not getting the job he's not delivering on on what he's been asked to do and if he's got anything about him if you fall on the sort of move on the side that you know what this is just going to pick from a let's turn to someone else other go and and probably like most fans I'd wish him all the very best in the future I'm sure will be successful somewhere else but not certainly not during a horrific 4 wins in 34 link and yet they're pulling it's dreadful What can save you and what can save you at this point I think in your question a change of direction from the top the manages the players are clearly lost a lot. Of the want but the one of those I wouldn't want in the long term but if he was happy to come back and welcome attorney police back and. I think he would it would instill he would instill a discipline and he would get in a point to get is that we are in a relegation fight let's make a note. To get him to get promotion like most folks on the take for bottom come out could honest with. You want a good old fashioned said look this is going to rain in the side short term to keep us out Ok Andy thanks very much for your call tonight that's underway in Trenton I think we're going to get appeal this buzzer in to be honest with you because I've got a feeling that name is going to come up quite a lot over the course of this season we're going to be talking to call of fun in just a sec I'll just remind you of the of the Monday mind boggling which is which player has been caught offside the most in Premier League history if you want to go at that hour 801 to $1880.00 people been in touch so far right answers from Josh on the tax Peter in which church John and al the Stoke as well Simon me of that was the 1st one to get it wrong today says Jim Maine Defoe I do believe that you main Defoe is 2nd on the list and let's just go through a few texts as well this one says Well don't spot on and he was just on with his a few moments ago few more texts here Jeff in kids' Grove says Nathan Jones says that players errors have cost defensively there is a sorry player's errors of cops defensively but he doesn't have a go Gregory we all know he runs around a lot but his job is to score goals one and play with a doz