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Last finals day Ravi Bopara hit for 6 years off his last 6 balls to be by 6 wickets and seal a semifinal place and at a press conference in Saudi Arabia and the Ruiz Jr says he wants more than 15 minutes of fame he went head to head with Anthony Joshua for the 1st time in the run up to that December 7th rematch this is B.B.C. Radio 5 Live on digital B.B.C. Sound smart and on. The weather now in a largely dry started to the day with sunny spells but want to take showers along the North Sea course cloud across northern island and western Scotland will bring some light rain that will move side for a given the day into Sylvanus Scotland and Northern England to bring in a risk of showers B.C. 5 lines James and John Robbins are best mates or someplace that you'll wrong in all of the recent. Sickest Steves those choices don't dovetail deals and get angry nothing ever comes between them so might kill your sorry ass over you know he's got an imagination. That listens and is James and John moving east in perfect harmony he will be taking care of what he took Friday from one old B.B.C. Radio 5 life terms the best chance to fix. Good morning. Family U.K. On digital and online Roger Sharpe were up all night in the shire once more. Thanks have changed if you're just waking up as things changed in a big way the House of large agreement has been reached to process the. Bill. Will encourage. The House of Commons to pass it and time before procreation I'll explain that a bit better in just a moment we'll also be talking about a statement from China and Washington but the U.S. And China have agreed to resume trade talks. All realized at the explanation and indeed the news which we broke here on a poll night earlier tonight members of the House of Lords had been faced with a least one all nighter not several debating around 90 individual amendments to Hillary bans bill to block a no deal Breck's and that's the ban bill one Peter plan that Jethro Tull party in his office that was Lord would tween votes while others brought duties but passed one this morning the government abandoned its plan to filibuster the bill passed by the Commons yesterday Lord cares like as a former cabinet secretary he spoke to me from the upper chamber minutes after the larger turned so I've been talking to or in my pajamas but in fact a deal has been done between the parties show that has followed has adjourned shut up shop for the night and it will come back again tomorrow morning and then there'll be another procedural motion that's what we've been debating all day that will allow for the bill to go through the House of Lords by 5 pm on Friday and then be finished in the Commons on Monday morning and the crucial point is that all of this will happen before Parliament shuts up shop shelf Treasury case as it's described so this delicious you shift we are not going to have to rush through the night and the question you might be asking is what Spain offered in return Well let me tell me how do you get from a you know a stance opposition in the government benches detachment to hold this up where you are. The question I asked what's been traded in the answer is nothing I'm sure you know it is a complete climb down by the government and the reason they've tried that is partly because it was frankly terracing. In the Lord said I they were losing consistently by a margin of 3 to one. Never mind the one of the party going to high school getting increasingly frustrated by the. Nature of the Senate the strings delaying tactics they used. The opposition parties who are thinking seriously of values in my because I knew they were thinking of using a completely novel procedures to bring the freshest to a head and people were worried about. The precedent that would create in the end those things combined are saying to lead to the government to say OK we're going to have to give in on this point or that means that the veil should be 10 act next week before Parliament current case which is what the hold of a is really. I'm going to have to ask you to repeat because it is. Just so really. The deal has been done you know back in the in the largest tomorrow morning yeah 11 o'clock and you move it through how quickly should 2 days which was well the motion that we spent the whole. Of the evening fighting about a century ago conceded the process that will do the same thing in. Basis and then complete comes on. It's what the opposition parties last benches have been seeking and become having 44 hours literally from. Talking about. 333 to one evening every section of the time. But extraordinary writer credit remarkable turnaround how much of this direction was coming from Number 10 and how much of it was being done by the leadership in the law it's a good question I think number change bigger prints were all over this process I think the lawyers again showed itself capable of in the most difficult circumstances acting to gather a result relation I've been in the end I suspect the government side needs to get approval from the return in order. So the matter as they have done I don't think this would have happened simply through the launch and the peers there let me ask you now with them as a former head of the civil service do you see a way through this for the negotiating team David Frost and the rest of them in Brussels and away to a deal. Well I don't think there's a quick way to a deal and I have to say I never have done in good part that's because I don't think. The government most focused on the new government focused on it's only very recently that anything could be told you go she ations have started and so I think the chances of achieving a gale by the 31st where very very slim anyway and threatening to go ahead with ads at the old was not going to make those chances a lot greater I think that's the conclusion and my personal view backed up by a lot of former cabinet ministers to be said was that to go out without a deal would be a disaster for the country for a whole raft of reasons that have been well explored so I think I don't honestly believe it changes the chances of getting a deal because I think there were very very low anyway and I don't see this threat was ever a real threat in any sense what do you think that the best possibility I don't mean bastard you know the question I think what is. I think everybody wants to end this device If period in this country's history the most divisive in my lifetime and I think what they want is to see whether there's I don't agree to a crisis now what does that mean I think negotiations are going to continue but over a longer time scale on the 31st of October Personally I think if there isn't a prospect of a better deal then we should be putting back to the country basically a decision by the parliament can make you smile and so we should really ask the people in this country do you want to take the best year on offer which at the moment is to return values to 0. Or do you want to stay in you know I think it says we've run out of options I said. SPECTER And it actually is inevitable really if you don't issue that will result we could end up with a hung parliament again and that would just prolong the agony we've had. For sorry go on there are just going to say can you see the Labor Party saying to the country can you accept the best deal it's available that happens to be Tories amazed deal I think I could see the Labor Party being willing to put the choices to the country and I can't say I know whether they would if they could get the deal with they was the right one they might say that's what should be their position but I think at the moment it's more like. Tourism a option which they did not like to course to the country and we backed I can't speak on their behalf of but that would be my guess as to where my. Balance of this is quite a night that they should extraordinary and I absolutely strongly not an extraordinary day each day using the drama can get bigger but it does. Even further and. I know it now I know that you spent a bit of the night sitting next to a lot of hassle to know what was he making of all this here is a. Person have enormous admiration for he has done more I think this country than many valuable additions. And I think he was in genuine disbelief Actually I showed him what I think was probably the tree to the from David gull who was informing a city of sin tells that he would no longer be a member of the Conservative Party not just lose the weight. And I think he was just. Astonished and hovering quietly he didn't say this but in a certain level of despair actually still waiting to reach for a man who spent much of his life trying to bring things together make things happen you must be very difficult time. Lord Curtis lake for the civil service to our. Little bit there earlier in this program go to Flushing Meadows where Russell for. Rafa Nadal Hello Russell how wrong this been very entertaining so far because of Diego Schwartzman who at 5 foot 7 inches tall would become the shortest male Grand Slam semifinals since the French Open in 1980 he says it's no big deal to him being small and even though it is not the biggest serve he hits the ball very very hard very very effectively from the baseline but just say that he thinks he instinctively gets the support from neutrals in the crowd because everybody likes the underdog and quite often maybe not against Rafael Nadal tonight because of who to dollars but quite often they support the small guy on the court and he pushed the doll very close in the 1st set came back from Fall of down to level up for all had to further break points but adults save them and won the set $64.00 and the DA now does have the break in the 2nd set as well leading by 3 games to one both players dripping with sweat it's one of those broiling nights at the very high levels of humidity. A fair. Different way I mean given. Yeah I'm not sure the age is so much a factor other than the Darley is one of the sweatiest human beings I've ever encountered we sometimes complain about the use of the towel the over use of the towel at times on a very cool day players it's a habit after every single point they go to the back of the court and they ask the ball boy a ball girl for the towel on the poor boy oh boy oh boy or girl has to hang over this soppy sweaty mess and it's unnecessary at times because it's just not hot enough but on a day like today I don't think I'd be able to hold the racket there just be puddles of sweat at his feet as he was preparing to serve if he didn't reach for the towel after every point it is just absolutely dripping off him. With us so. In. The scheme of things at the moment he's cruising as your estimation Well yes he's had a few difficulties along the way but a set and a break up if you hold serve here he'll lead 6441 the best of 5 sets but a heavy favorite in this match in his 40th grand slam quarter final Diego Schwartzman of Argentina is in his 3rd part the dolls' won all 7 meetings and if he does win this match will play Matthew no better T.V. Of Italy very much an outsider he's into the semifinals after beating feasted 5 sets and clarity is an emerging plays only 23 years of age but that's all with all his experience if he wins this will be a heavy favorite to reach the final because Novak Djokovic and Roger Federer are out he is very much the favorite to win in 1000 titles. We do to enjoy the 2nd very much. Has failed to get enough M.P.'s the backers call for action on the 15th of October but are there any other routes he can pursue to dissolve parliament Rafael Hogarth associate Institute for a government think tank and a leader writer at the types in the vote on a general election the opposition abstained So the government in a sense won the vote but it just didn't win by enough under the fixed term parliament sacked the government needs a full 2 thirds of the entire House of Commons to vote for a general election and it didn't get anywhere near that it would need the support of the of the main opposition the Labor Party in order to secure that general election. What was your understanding from labor I mean why did they decide to abstain after driving carbon said they were ready to fight an election but they wanted to make sure that the Benbow actually passed yes it's this difficult interaction between the process of bringing about an election and the process of passing this bill which is intended to prevent a new deal Brix it on the 31st of October because the argument of the labor front bench is that if they vote for a general election now before that bill has passed through all stages of the parliamentary process and got locked down onto the statute then there might be ways for the government and for Boris Johnson to play some tricks and end up scuppering the bill dissolving parliament and taking the U.K. Out of the you know deal on the 31st of October in any event and it's certainly true that once parliament votes for a general election in a sense the ball is in the government's court in that the government elects a date the government appoints a date for that election I think the real question now is what exactly is the Labor Party's condition for supporting that general election motion Will it support the motion once the Ben bill has become law Will it support general election once the prime minister has sought an extension under the Ben bill will it only support an election off to October 31st when all aspects of that bill have come to pass and the prime minister has missed his deadline I think tonight those questions are still quite live for the prime minister the desire to get a snap election on October the 15th is still very much alive as you say but what can he do about it can can he work out some other way of making that happen. I suppose the prime minister has got 3 options in principle one option is to have another go at securing a 2 thirds majority in the House of Commons for a motion to have a general election and he could try to make some political promises to the opposition around that about when the election would be and what progress he allow in the Ben bill in order to try to secure their support for that it's worth noting that they picked because the question has already been on asked in this session of whether there's going to be an early general election. The prime minister might need to persuade the speaker that it's legitimate to ask that question again but that's that's one of a little rate the 2nd available rate is that the prime minister could try to sort of navigate his way around the fixed term parliaments Act which is the legislation these days normally governs the calling of early general elections and just try to pass a new piece of legislation which covers the conditions of the next general election and I suppose the advantage of that as far as the opposition is concerned is that it can put down conditions in that legislation about what that date might be or things like that that would then be legally binding on the prime minister the 3rd potential option or the 3rd route to a general election would be in a sense the most politically paradoxical of all would be would be for Boris Johnson to call a vote of no confidence in his own government because under the fixed Tempah limits act one reach to a general election is if the House of Commons votes no confidence in the government and then doesn't vote confidence in any government within 2 weeks so if the prime minister still wants a general election those are his 3 technical roots but I think the real question is what Carrot he can offer to the opposition to persuade them. That there they're going to get in a sense a general election of a kind that they're satisfied with the prime minister proposing a vote of no confidence in his own government would invite Mr carbon to do some very fancy footwork Wouldn't it be if he didn't want to vote no confidence in Mr Johnson it would I mean that's why it would be such a political paradox it would obviously be unprecedented to have a situation in which the government was arguing for no confidence and the opposition was trying to argue that it did have confidence in the government I think to be honest everybody's going to want to avoid that quite unseemly spectacle and go about this another way but the question remains how they can get there given the current political stalemate over what needs to happen before that general election is agreed we all understand that there is a deadline of Monday before the fraud or a geisha of Parliament takes place now that's received the Royal Assent Is there any possible way that the prime minister could send his Privy Councillors back to the Queen and tell him tell him tell her majesty that he's changed his mind and he doesn't want to provoke parliament because he discovered he's still got Always business and needs to get done. We're in quite unusual constitutional territory here but in principle I don't see any reason why the Prime Minister wouldn't be able to do that I mean in a sense if if he can avoid the Queen he can advise the Queen to you recall and indeed he can advise the queen that he's changed his mind about parading in the 1st instance at the moment we haven't heard much about that but of course if the opposition does drag its heels on agreeing to a general election and the prime minister finds himself in a position where he has to choose between sticking to his purgation and getting his general election then those kinds of many of his might come into play the other sort of law Eve development on the probation of course is that this week a slew of court cases is being heard across the U.K. On whether that purgation is in fact Norful the 1st of those was heard in Scotland and it went down it failed That's right the challenges failed in Scotland that's being appealed and there is a further court case being heard before the high court tomorrow morning and it's difficult to say exactly what's going to happen with that so that's another moving part in terms of when parliament is going to end up sitting a lot of. Skeptical journalists and cynics in the world at large have said. Quite unfairly I suppose that the prime minister is making this all up as he goes along. Where is he getting his advice from any question that he's he's turning to different people or is he turning to the same very small group. I think at the end of the day the prime minister bears responsibility himself for the political strategy that his government is pursuing I mean there has been obviously a huge amount of speculation since he entered number 10 about the role of some of his advisers and in particular his chief of staff Dominic Cummings but ultimately whoever's advising the prime minister they're there at his pleasure and by virtue of his appointment and so the political strategy here water ever it is and obviously it's quite hard for all of us to divine has to be his responsibility. Raphael Hogarth from the Institute of Government know. Has been in Bristol last West Additionally a marginal constituency between the 2 main parties which currently has a Labor M.P. In the 2016 referendum 60 percent of voters in Bristol wanted to remain in the European Union while Rory asked people yesterday if a general election does happen who they would like to see leave the country on their own a chance with him but equally how I'm tough to tell. Because something has gone way beyond. Distance about stopping. A dangerous bricks and dangerous reckless prime instant recall to my side I think that cuts rally behind the opposition and the person who is most likely to seem. To be the person next to something about Jimmy hoping it's a perspex democracy and he follows Emma consecration says he's going to take the forest elephants and if you know sing them to desist I'm sorry I think that that's you intent from Morris Johnson or Jeremy for songs c

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