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This is don't tell me the score of the podcast that uses sport to explore life's bigger questions I'm Simon Monday and this week I'm talking to Caitlin Jenner once the world's greatest athlete after winning a limb pick decathlon gold and now the most famous transgender woman in the world the theme of our conversation is honesty Caitlin was born Bruce Jenner has struggled with gender dysphoria which is where there's a mismatch between someone's biological sex and their gender identity Caitlin's greatest sporting moments came at the $976.00 Olympic Games in Montreal where as an amateur American athlete she saw off the Soviet challenge at the height of the Cold War to win the capital on gold smashing the world record in the process fame and adulation followed including nearly landing the role of Superman that eventually went to Christopher Reeve but the gender dysphoria was always bubbling away under the surface the eighty's were a particularly tough period and after a couple of decades as part of reality T.V.'s most famous family the Kardashian clan in 2015 Caitlin finally came out as a transgender woman in this episode we discuss some of the lessons Caitlin has learned throughout her incredible journey we talk about the importance of honesty and Big true to yourself and your family around you about not judging a book by its cover as someone who apparently has it all may well be suffering inside we discuss the importance of hard work and why you've got to have a sense of humor about life and why it's all about the challenges you overcome not the heights you attain we recorded this episode of Don't tell me the school at Kaitlyn's house in Malibu in Los Angeles it really was a pleasure spending time with Caitlin she was warm welcoming friendly and funny and her message about the importance of being honest to ourselves is a lesson relevant to each of us. Caitlin Jana I'm here how are you you know what I'm doing great thank you for asking how are you doing yeah I'm pretty good thank you I'll go either way I have to ask a question that is everybody from the u.k. Named Simon there's a lot of I know I know I know I know Simon Callow know where you every time I'm running into somebody I don't know if it's weird he said we're not exclusive to each he's becoming less coalmines the old school oh but yeah I think there was a peer you're at the end of an era that's it Ok yeah thank you very much for having us my pleasure I mean it's not London. You know there's the ocean and we've got the mountains it looks actually quite nice now but as you probably saw even over there we had fires come through here and I stayed until about a minute before it hit because it was coming up that canyon road so when tensely tornadoes 200 feet in the air of flames coming out shed at the last 2nd I always stay with the House because the big fire goes through so quickly you just stay in the house for the coast through and I looked at that and I said. You know what if it burns it burns I'm out of here so we went down the hill and videotaped it and it was pretty frightening but it didn't affect the house. Well there was about $300000.00 worth of damage I said little bit in that pool there had to be probably close to 15 dead rats dead dead Rapids So I mean everything had to house had to be sanitized it was it was a mass you know a lot of the things on the outside got you know what looks pristine now you've got you know various trophy sales so you'll get this World Records the fastest ever to form a 1000000 Twitter followers and I think 4 hours and that was it 3 minutes or something like that that you know who I beat I think I did Barack Obama Barack Obama you're a good yeah I've been to more research this is very good so I didn't look twice as good start for this interview the book and I'm glad we're off on the on the right foot so it's fair to say Kate and you've had an interesting life well yes when you I have the great double Olympic Kathlyn champion and glamours woman of the year I hope nobody ever has to go through that in their lives please. But yes it has it's been quite a journey quite a journey or intern interesting perspective as I look out on life and all the things that I've done. But there was. You know I'd give speeches and talk about the games I would stand up there. And look at the audience and just think Will I ever be able to tell my whole story I had so many more things going on in my head things that I was dealing with that. I was hoping at some point in my life I would be able to tell that story and now I've been able to do that and we're going to recap Ok a lot of it today and then try and dissect the lessons because you learn a lot I'm sure I've been fine no more over the course of a life that is relevant obviously to you to the trans community but just people generally as well and I think you know you've been through a lot of change but one thing that's clearly remained constant what you could walk in the middle here real fear one minute anyway go on one thing that's remained constant sense of humor. You know what if if you don't have a good sense of humor about life. And about people and about all the things that goes on around you I think it's a pretty dull life I love to laugh I love to look at the fun side of things. And just recently I did Alec Baldwin's roast and I knew when I signed up for it that I was would be a target and boy I was a bigger target than Alec Baldwin and it was his roast so. But all the response from people how well I took it and it's not because I love to laugh I don't take myself seriously you know I mean I'd there are serious things that I do but I don't take myself seriously and. And I think that's important in life and I think it's important that we smiled We laugh we enjoy life and at short you know we're here more gong Yeah so enjoy it absolutely great mantra now Ysaye you've spoken about those 2 days in Montreal but you know what I have brought the some people have brought that up in my life yeah that's about it and I'm going to bring it up again but also the thing is it's not just those 2 days you know the run up to the games as well but also there's a new generation of people who perhaps are aware that you know you wouldn't be champion but don't realize what went into it when it took place the relevance of it how it to me stands riot the top in the pantheon of great Olympic achievements so it's a key point your story and it's always you know the whole story but it's possible that we're going to do that we're going to cover a lot but the best place to start of the sea is at the beginning when you're a young you struggle with dyslexia Now bit we talk about gender dysphoria not being well understood now and then but even dyslexia at that time was not well understood all into they didn't even have a name for it back that the bigger problem was not being dyslexic The bigger problem is self-confidence. New you think you're. Not smart that simple process is not working like it does with everybody else you lose interest in school . You kind of you know go hide and that was more me I didn't want anybody to know I had the problem I can remember somebody you know some psychologists giving it or being dyslexic my 1st impression is well I got to get a dollar. Don't sound so terrible so that really hit your self-esteem then the slowest time made it yes and that's why in 5th grade we had a running race in gym class out in the parking lot we had to run around all these chairs and they timed every kid in school and I wanted up having the fastest time in the whole school and everybody's coming up and saying you know I didn't know you were that fast and everybody's give me a pat on the back and I beat everybody in school I wasn't getting out of the classroom so you had a states a sort of a sudden and so all of a sudden I kind of go what's this thing called sports and that's where kind of it all started and this is the 5th grade so how what how old is that because we done in the u.k. So $1011.00 yeah somewhere in there and this is around the same time that you'll drill into your mother's clothes as well. People's suffering from gender dysphoria they basically you're born that way just like your right hand or your left hand you know it it's kind of just who you are so Ok there's diversity in the world I think it's great all all humans aren't the same you know and that's good especially if you know you're growing up in the fifty's in the sixty's you don't understand those tendencies you don't understand why and but yeah I used to sneak in there and try stuff on and do this and that go out I just felt comfortable doing it I was just afraid I was going to get caught that's all you know did you have a sense of shame around that as well. I did shame because obviously I didn't tell anybody so but back then nobody knew anything about it and I didn't know anything about it you know being dyslexic gender dysphoric you know these types of things going on in my life kind of struggling in school a little bit that's what made me who I was later on down the line because for me when I got into sports. It became. More important for me personally to succeed at sports and to work part of sports because of all these issues they say success is not measured by how to tain but by obstacles overcome is going to quote that to you later but yet mostly I beat you to it. If you read the book they read they do so you excelled in various sports but college she fell for the decathlon and you burst onto the scene in 1972 you won even expected to make the u.s. Team in 7 it's not even close maybe I know my name but like 20 seconds in the 1500 . Actually yes baby beach Steve Goff by 2121 the 2nd I can't it's uncertain so the figures I had to beat him by 18 seconds to make it into 3rd place and I ran an 8 2nd personal best time that one race changed everything in my life that was the 1st time I had to dig down really deep and come up with a performance right at that moment I always knew if it came down to the 1500 metres the last event I would run any time I had to to win 72 Munich Olympics right so you came 10th and I was happy with that you have very very bad that you're only 22 at the time but then you say there was that click moment so soviet of Nicholai of it off yeah I got that right he won the gold in 72 and when he stepped up on the podium you had that decision it wasn't a dream is to write I'm going to get on an ever fair well I was never obviously been to Olympic Games before I go there it's overwhelming how big it is I had never seen an Olympic gold ceremony live happening right in front of me but I basically said to myself I'm watching this my heart's pounding you know what I'm watching this and I just go you know what I never expected to get this far. But what if I take the next 4 years of my life and every minute of every day I test myself just to see how good I can become at this Ok I'm going to do this for 4 years if I can't do it in 4 years I'm not going to do it in 8 years yeah so there was finality for me in that 4 year period I had an end I could give up everything else I was living on $145.00 a month apartment driving a $63.00 v.w. Bug I paid $175.00 for and training my butt off and I train 68 hours a day every day I started that night at midnight Yeah I couldn't sleep pounding the streets of Munich Brown on the streets in Munich I couldn't sleep I was so pumped up I was more pumped up after the competition was over with because it was so clear in my head I would do 70 mile weeks in the offseason and I'd be running along and sometimes that have to do it at night obviously would be in my head because I knew if I'm running at night it's his morning so he's probably out for a morning workout I'm still running here on the other side of the world and I would think to myself you know what I'm not making a dime doing this Ok At best you've got a gold medal said at the at the end of the rainbow not even real gold Ok what it symbolizes is everything but it's you know there's no material reason if you win the gold it doesn't mean you're going to get a job or it doesn't mean you're going to do this for that after it's over with it's a medal. But I thought I felt like I was so rich inside because I was so motivated every day and I thought to myself I never want to lose that in my life I never want to wake up in the morning and kind of dread the day you know I always want that enthusiasm for life when I get out of bed in the morning and there has been times in my life since then that I have just totally lost it yeah I mean I spent 6 years in a house down here because I didn't really want to come up as I never felt like I fit in anywhere. And there's been a lot of dark days since then and I always think about those times what am I going to do to make this day exciting I want to live this day and only get so many oh Ok So 76 I put in the context I forget rocky for Sylvester off against the vendor I go yeah the Russian machine I mean you really were up against the Russian machine so you're an amateur and because of the communist system of that sign they essentially were professionals and this is also it's almost at the bison center of America it was the height of the Cold War sport was a metaphor for war and you decided that you know you were going to compete again all 76 all the pressure was on the in some sort of what it meant to you and what it meant when else in the pressure you under I mean it's mind boggling I was nervous coming here to chat to you it's you know I was reminding myself as you should be. Yeah the games in $76.00 were actually very special it was kind of the last year of the amateur athlete it was the highest rated Olympic games of all time and will always be because there was no cable t.v. No cable t.v. That actually was the reason it works 70 percent of the u.s. Population was watching the games there was so many American flags inside that stadium so decathlon you say it's all about you know the into no. Because it's all about hitting p.b.s. Way you ran like trying to hit you so I was 100 made his 1st event p.b. Then I knew it was over I ran 1094. At 9 o'clock in the morning I didn't tell anybody because I didn't want it to come off you know it was my little secret but inside I said it's over it's done just don't make a mistake long jump p.p. Shot yet again the finger that very good hair then little tendon right there so you had to be trained so I really didn't practice it that you know the shot on the day you had like to haue with the 3rd and final throw you know put that little finger right there who cares I don't need this finger in today's Ok put it where it's supposed to go and let's just get back to me I didn't let it go and yeah I had a personal best high jump next personal best kind of out of role you've I mean even attempt by the way I don't believe the ball go and then the 400 mates is so Fred Thompson who was on the American scene with you right he said he normally used to be you in the 400 and this day you came burning out of the corner absolutely to come apart so if want to call I ran that race in my head for 4 years and my whole year of training was to pee on that day take off Excel or write as fast as I can to get to my pace relax go down the back stretch. At that pace don't lose it but stay relaxed Relax relax relax relax go go go go go and as soon as you hit that turn go and I couldn't see anybody around me was going to look back but I didn't care it's only my time I'm trying to get and I kept waiting for somebody to go to your home you know and nobody did the whole way I got to the finish line and I wanted to run 475 and I ran 4751 you practiced in your mind and then produced it exactly as you planned it I consider the competition 80 percent of mental challenge . Ok 20 percent of physical challenge training is 80 percent physical 20 percent mental You just do it do it don't even think about it do it do it train train physically once you get in the competition works out on now it's just let the mind let it happen so they want you knew is in the bag you didn't sleep a huge amount that night you know you didn't wasn't rained did that no one could see the next events the hurdles on day 2 of course I was petrified of that yet rained all night poured all night long wake up the next morning look out it's not raining but it's solid overcast clouds a touch in the top of the stadium tracks wet from the rain the night before a couple of flights in front of me Fred Dixon one of the other Americans in good friend great person slipped down a one in the hurdles. Oh oh. What a great 1st day oh I want to do is survive I don't even care what my time is Ok I just want to live through this but when I read it I just stayed on my toes stayed on those bikes and just zoomed in the of the room got down there lean at the tape and I had such a sigh of relief. That I got this thing I want to get Ok I made it through the night I made it through the hurdles the last 4 events are my best events so you wrote through the discus the Polvo What's your favorite venue Jeff it's a 1500 the last event the last one you a crying before the race sets off I was going pretty teary because it was the last 11500 meters of my life to me that the 15 or meters always represented the decathlon how tough you were a lot of guys don't run it that fast or run it maybe fast once and then on oh I don't want to run it you know to me that's a weakness. And it's the ultimate test you've been out there for 2 days you've been on your feet competing for 20 hours and now they want to run a 1500 meters you know the metric mile for time the last thing in the world you want to do Ok your legs are kind of dead. But to me that's when it all came alive so the 1500 metres cardiovascular I was just more gifted that way at this one which was going to be my last 15 or metres I was certainly not going to run it slow Ok I didn't run 70 miles a week to run the 1500 meters slow Ok but on the other hand I had already won it I was in the lead going in and if I just had I didn't even have to run my best time just a good time I would go over 8600 points because I want to be the 1st guy to do that and then walk away and so I decided I'm going to go out kind of slow and then pick the pace up on the 3rd lap and then at $300.00 metres to go just. What have you got left wide open and if you watched the video soon as I look and see the time it was one second slower than my fastest time ever at that point in the race with 300 meters to go I said here. Put it in the next here and says well get down the back stretch as hard as I could and