For the health service Meanwhile the fallout from Labour's heaviest defeat since the 1930 s. Continues General Secretary Jenny Formby says Party officials are likely to meet early in the New Year to agree the timetable for replacing germy Corben as leader to enable his successor to be in place by the end of March yesterday Mr Corbin in the shadow chancellor John McDonald both took the blame for Labour's defeat New Zealand has held a minute's silence to mark the moment a week ago when a volcano erupted on an island popular with tourists 18 people are known to have died including 2 whose bodies haven't been recovered 26 survivors are in hospitals in New Zealand and Australia some of them still in a critical condition a long running legal battle over whether the n.h.s. Should pay for a woman to have surrogate children in America after a north London hospital failed to spot her cervical cancer is due should be heard later by the Supreme Court as the B.B.C.'s Andy Moore explains the woman known only as x x is seeking the certainty of surrogacy in the us where such agreements are legally binding unlike in the u.k. The woman who is now $36.00 became infertile after chemo and radiotherapy treatment in London she said she wanted Whittington Hospital n.h.s. Trust to pay for the cost of having $4.00 children in California where surrogate mothers are paid but are then legally bound to hand over the babies the high court initially refused costs of 560000 pounds saying the American practice was illegal in the u.k. And therefore contrary to public policy last December the a pill Court overturned that judgment today the Supreme Court will be asked for a final decision a man spent charged with murder following a stabbing in East London 49 year old rule Stefan died in Dagenham on Saturday night the sea life around who's 59 is due in court later the new winter rail timetable will be put to the test this morning as commuters head to work train operators who are up. Promising a 1000 extra services a week say its introduction yesterday went relatively smoothly but strike action continues on Southwest and services into and out of Waterloo but on top of that those disruptions through some unusual because of a landslide Prince William has revealed he talks about social issues including homelessness with his children as a young boy his mother Princess Diana took him to the London homeless center the passage and he says it's something he'll do when his children are older he's been discussing the issue with Mary Berry in a t.v. Special which will be shown on b.b.c. One tonight spoilers I was over to try to on the school run already very well 6 and 4 Whenever we see anyone who is sleeping rough or histories talk about it and I pointed out or explain why and there were various ago I wised up as a walk on the go home Ben Stokes who helped England's cricketers win the World Cup this summer has been named b.b.c. 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You mention a few quite a few changes on the chains today and Southwest in their way as well as the industrial action there's this land slip that means for placement buses of earning between Epsom and you'll west and then there's also a bus running absent to Wimbledon and it could take several days before the damage is assessed and we know how much needs repairing one of those Victoria embankment the mains closed from temple to Westminster for emergency vote works no word yet on how long it's going to be closed for some contractors are moving some of the cones and barriers so hopefully it's not going to be close for too long but Transport for London didn't have a clue when I spoke to them the cycle superhighway they'll be pleased to know that remains open and in the west end shops be avenues closed from High Holborn to Cambridge Circus for gas works any updates you can. Tweet me at speed b.c. Travel there's more travel at $615.00. To Radio 94.9 f.m. And b.b.c. Sounds this is this is b.b.c. Radio. Patry Hoskins. And a good morning to you this is b.b.c. Radio London Petry with you after the next 55 minutes or so this morning and then of course is the breakfast show Vanessa will be here with that at 7 o'clock so will that come this morning we've been talking this morning about of course about the results of the election I mean where else could we talk about really. An extraordinary day Friday very early on actually on Thursday night when late on Thursday on in terms of election calling it was cold wasn't it was cold the Tories had won really there were no surprises after that. I just wonder why I do wonder why they won always it that Labor lost so monumentally was it about Labor losing the paper certainly today or talking about why Labor lost as opposed to why the Tories won if you look at the Tories their manifesto was we can feel him z. And the thing really in it was that where was the labor my fester with huge and chunky and donkey and and lots of freebies in it lotsa giveaways lots of nice stuff lots of socially appealing stuff as well of course hugely appealing putting an end to homelessness putting it into poverty you know setting parliament subset outside of London so that's more reflective of the North not an extraordinarily ironically because it was an old not really that brought them crashing to their knees areas that had never voted never voted for the Tories in the history of collecting both sides. Voting tory the Tories now bizarrely the party of the working classes and the Labor Party is seen as the party for the London an elite I mean you couldn't make this stuff up it has been head spinning so almost can you today why do you thing Labor lost so badly so crushingly What do you think it was that the Tories won and in which case what did Boris Johnson do the made him win 80 over the top 80 seeds because from what I saw he didn't do anything so did the Tories win or did label is taking your calls on this is 107312000 Labor saying that they may have lost the election but they won the argument I don't even know what that means I mean not just seems to be absolute rubbish does how do you mean. Anyway we'll discuss all of this now with the head of politics at University of Surrey Professor Emilia I had fields a very good morning to you all morning to you see Vetri does that make me one my are your infusion yet does that mean does anybody know how good they win the argument and yet so monumentally lose the election year I mean it's a think a combination of looking at why they were lost it wasn't theirs to lose despite the fact that they had this this manifesto was sort of the Tories to win so if we look 1st of all why Labor lost I think there were there are real issues with regard to Jeremy Corbyn this is it now seems to be coming out I think over the weekend more and more and more people saying that he was very difficult to sell on the doorstep it just seems to be a real lack of popularity and that lack really cost them he did go into the campaign with the lowest net satisfaction ratings of any opposition later since the late seventy's and perhaps we didn't pick up on that that's I mean absent that critical mass it's going to make it sort of difficult to turn it over you talked about their you know the goodies that they offered and you know I would agree with the manifesto was it was incredible it was a huge amount on offer there and they dumped it you know it's time for real change but I think many candidates said that it was really difficult to kind of keep up with that they had this enormous shopping this that they had to kind of rattle through on the doorstep and some of these changed halfway through the campaign to member the slashed rail fares and it was the free free broadband Yeah and although these are all excellent ideas I think in a sense perhaps there's a bit of overload. Overload of people with commitments and I think perhaps people weren't quite sure what to believe and what not to believe I think the fundamental point is because labor has. Like the conservatives at that point failed to produce an agreement on Bracks it all the other promises. Against a backdrop of sort of disbelief if you like if they I think of people particularly the North said you know and these are sort of articulation president only he was you know we're in the polling I mean we're going to watch that in future and know what that is going and they was saying that the Jamie Colby was the most trusted of the 2 men he was the least slight but he was the most trusted except that nobody would appear trusted that he would follow through on these manifesto pledge is so I wonder how those 2 things can be true at the same time I do I don't know I think they trust him to be a labor leader and they trust him to be you know incredibly committed to to to to the labor theology but less trustworthy I think as as a potential private Mr I think there's no doubting his zeal but the the idea that I think he just didn't get his his personal trustworthiness over and the reason for that is I think is neutral stance on Bret's And I think people just simply found that an incredible. That that didn't materialize for him as as as as a way to say don't just believe in the party believe in me and so I think he drifted from the party and into that house and just poured thousands and thousands of votes I think also he was up against a very simple strategy from from the conservatives they had they had you know almost the total opposite where Labor promised to spend you know up in the in the 80 point whatever billions conservatives just basically didn't scratch the surface and said well we'll throw a few 1000000000 at it but the real point is to get bricks it done let's get that done and then we'll focus on the n.h.s. And that's astonishing because they promise not is a real number yet there was no manifesto really I mean it was it was written on the back of the fact back in almost that that's pretty much it but you know what it must have been easy to remember and I think the vast majority of people had conservative candidates who did who said listen they did the actual opposite they said I'm not going to rattle through this shopping list of things you don't need to you know pretend to believe in I'm just going to tell you one thing let's get Grex it done and that that surely was in the mess. Edge Yeah I think of the other question about Jeremy Cobain I have is it did you become a victim of his own belief because suddenly when he campaigned he's a campaign everyone's saying that he's a brilliant campaigner and the old the polls are suggesting a tightening of the of the pose between the 2 parties it was looking really you know couple of days before the election and he's now rode the late he's now at the late everywhere where they were singing Jeremy cope in song at Glastonbury you know when he 1st became later everywhere he goes the ideologue's were surrounding him did he did he do you think he was a victim of sun didn't look out Saeed that. Surrounded him I think that's a that's a really good point he certainly toward the country widely but he also toward it in places that were clearly already labor it deadly out it hot spots now I know they had a strategy to try to. Pick some marginal seats obviously and he tore those 2 but I got the sense that he was a bit of a self-selecting and he went in many places or at least let's put it this way the coverage was very clear in places where he had a warm reception and they showed I wouldn't I would say a sort of general generational unanimity there so you had old young alike enjoy the old Jeremy Corbin stuff and I wonder if Basically he just heard what he wanted to you know sense and neither he nor I nor the party faithful ever you know expected for for a moment the idea of the of the collapse of the right will and thought we don't really need to clarify it we're just labor they're going to come home to labor we don't need to pitch it beyond the the raft of promises we've made it the solutions made itself and you're right I think people ultimately maybe they even turned up to the rallies and supported him and slapped him on the back and then they went to the polling station I thought no I can't do it I just can't do it well which direction do you think Labor will go in now it has 2 very distinctive choices even in those. Might become a leader of the thorn brake or the comments he's made about stupid voters won't go down well but you know Ok stoma the most sort of centrist reflecting more of Tony Blair's history or will they go the other side and pick somebody in Jeremy Corbin's image and rather ignore the electorate and still continue on this policy which we're not using them that's a great question I really think it's very dangerous if they try to continue to retain much at all of the the corporate theology aspects of it have been great I think they've they've injected a massive amount of social conscience and awareness back into the Post New Labor catastrophe and I think that works for a while in a sense but now I'm up much of that I think has has not played itself out well particularly in the labor heartland So I think what's going to happen is a fairly gentle move back to the center left and possibly with a leader possibly a female leader who is more sympathetic to the sort of regional sway than Probably business has to be much more you know pro-business So I think names popping up here Rebecca long Bailey for example somebody who is going to be I'm sorry to say if actually what the politicians are saying but you know a uniting character because labor is I think very much at risk of splintering you're right to you know suggest that they've got more than one decision to to to go in at this point so they need to think about what they want to be not just as a 21st party but how are they going to be a credible opposition now with only 203 seats they need to really work hard to not go to the infighting exactly they've got a fairly r. And I'm get it and get it sorted out so if you around the world I mean it would be such an easy place to live you need to get a. Lot of harsh. Lovely speech here again as of a professor I mean you had failed that he's head of politics at the University of Surrey You're listening to b.b.c. Radio. Then let's catch up to date now with the latest travel and traffic. 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Labor supporting a cool been supporting newspaper one of the few actually because it does seem the most the press was leaning the other way about this is The View today as the mirror looks at the election and they talk to Labor voters around the country and I just give you a sample of the scale of Labour's defeat a staggering especially as it's supposed to be the party that represents ordinary working class people the movement was effectively betrayed by a large section of the working class who in turn were let down by deluded Labor leadership ideology. Ideologically stuck in the seventy's if labor even to survive it must come to the 21st century that's one of the voters another vote said Jeremy Corbin must resign now to allow a new lead time to bed in. Another saying Coburn should go now we need a younger stronger leader the party needs to keep the same policies but get rid of the old guard and the right wing back stabbers. This one says Labor failed because it lost touch with its grassroots supporters I worked as a g.p. Surgery and was raised in a family playing believing in social justice yet I couldn't connect to cope and credible So these are Labor voters. Let's hope but labor go back to the 1990s centrist Johnson j and elects a younger more open minded well rounded leader who can handle the next election it's time we had a decent candidates who lead this party back to glory we need someone like Jess Phillips who Angela Rayner who can unite the party needs both retract the wavering voters in the middle it's no good having policies you can't deliver So this is what this is what it was. People are talking about with the labor the labor votes and saying no it's they were stuck in the 1970 s. That Jamie Colby was a harking back to a time and all the votes are going in we don't want to go back to the seventy's we really don't want to go back to the seventy's we want to move forward in these policies could be updated but they needed to be updated by somebody who was themselves up to date and not Jeremy Corbin didn't they believes I'm Why did they lose or did the Tories wane I mean none of the papers are suggesting that the I know that they won the election but they are suggesting that they won with any great aplomb that it was actually people got to the ballot paper so I can vote for Jeremy Koeppen and 43 percent in a poll how much do we believe in polls anymore I don't know suggested that the problem was Jeremy Tobin 37 percent or 35 percent said it was Brett's it. Interesting Times Ben is on the line now morning been a morning. Member of the Labor Party. 'd always been concerned about the lack of action against. And he said as much in the party have never met anyone who sell it so much but but then again tiny minority that that are shouldn't be in the party at all the action should've been taken a lot earlier because they gave the Conservative Party and to have them over the head with basically people are confused about. The labor hit and sounds over the head with it didn't they I mean it was you know it was not just. In a way yeah I've raised. 'd herself up in a target during especially during that have. An election and he you haven't shown over the last few years have dealt with your hand. But they were totally confused 'd anyway about the difference between I'll defend them. And Israel and and. I mean. That your 'd home is one of the most racial discrimination areas in the world according to. People and Archbishop Tutu. Practices well again. You know that this was anti semitism you know this was not even even disco used as a Zionist problem this was this this was anti semitism I love the