To talk it's male dominated culture is a hitch or director employment lawyer it's important for employers to suss out what the boundaries are issue a communication before the costs it because it is about extension of the what place so they feel chords behave as a. Behavior needs to continue into the evening and in sports in the evenings football mobile home to Nottingham Forest the visitors came from behind to late to one but the Lions earned a point with an injury time equaliser from substitute it no Brian London's weather winds are easing and any showers will gradually fade to leave a mostly dry night with clear spells tomorrow breezy but dry for much of the day with a mixture of sunny spells and cloud with temperature of 11 degrees Celsius 52 degrees Fahrenheit b.b.c. Radio London it's 3 minutes past midnight on digital radio 94.9 f.m. And on b.b.c. Sounds this is longer than the b.b.c. Radio and Sonny and Cher a very good morning it is Sonny and Cher here on b.b.c. Radio London we're here with you tonight until 2 o'clock this still a lot to come on the show so if you plan to give us a call 87312000 we are taking your calls on the leaders debate also off to one of course we've got the good news out to come straight off this we're going to get final thoughts and stories with our paper of you know James that can talk a little bit more I think about to talk as well. As my. a pride and he gets back and they do it but the song is called life and life and all that was like from. The album was yeah I thought you were and you'd be a freak I had all day would I would let myself that I was Ok the 1st time I put you on the spot if you did right you know the artist right I've got that right off the top Yeah later or I can come apart. And now you change it in 7 minutes past 12 Sonny and shy he would be tonight until 2 o'clock if you've just tuned in this well big thanks to James asking for staying with us he's all pay per view it's not been discussing in delving into his stories of which by the way feed lots of details for him to James asking on Twitter and you can get all the information now. You want to put extinction rebellion on to the agenda you want to do say that how important they were to this year's conversation. About Global Warming and also you defend most of their tongues most of their actions but nothing criminal yet you know you don't support that element of it but they are part of the same brush Ok Yes Jenny from Hay not who we haven't spoke to in a while want to speak to you tonight. Hi How are you going to Jenny. She is very well for us to take it she's doing a lot better thank you Jenny she had quite a temperature last week I think there's been a very bad virus going around but she's a trooper she's doing well so thank you for asking. Yeah. That was a teething at that time is just part of things that we're learning every day we think we have to with amazing time with her and then the only time we have a you know feel that life is good disrupted when she's in pain and then we feel the pain more than her because you can't take it away from a. Yeah you can understand whatever the pain is there anything that will go for a child to tell us about. This earth and I have to take issue with it because I'm not so happy with what is said about a r I think there is a criminal and I and I really am quite angry about them all in the summer my husband had to have an emergency trip to St Thomas' where we are still on my. And when he got. In from Sicily trying amazing I didn't even have to why because I was so he has a condition the lack such a great it was not so it was it was really bad and very serious. Lycidas And 2nd how I. Couldn't even if you didn't drive or even get an ambulance you can get out of Westminster Bridge one Tom everybody thought was booked Knoblauch just thought and Mr Erskine Not that I feel whether an air ambulance in the West and not only lands on one spot and not that 19th century circus was that's why it's called a circus and that is the only place they can because the place will get everybody out of the wire and all the traffic if it's a serious accident and not an eye as you probably don't know if you can I'm surprised it's a polka journalist that we haven't noticed how many changes happened suddenly and now if there's a road accident all of the high society. The country the climate we live in at the moment a tax payer starting good vanishing or. A are far as I'm concerned all personally are just you know a lot of expression if you are my sunshine now you can tell it like Nicholas what Jenny one moment here because we appreciate completely that and I said sadly I journey to be a lot of people who feel. Jambs Well yes it was to what Jenny's that's a real event in view life when some was affected directly by their actions so this is where perhaps mild human gets a little shy Jenny obviously when they causing disruptions real lawyer starts having a detrimental effect to anybody it's not something I can contend it's not something that I can see the stopping the Arab Guillen's landing I hey. I do think however that finding new innovative ways to communicate a message to us Londoners is vital because. I don't think Bob Geldof's got through I don't think Al goes through I think to a point Gretchen has got 3 children but what's what are we doing Johnny what what's going to change our minds on Thursday that aside. Having said. No So my question is people you know you and Sunny said I could decide maybe syllables out of a total month off the stick and I could also see the tension. Especially at the time. Because I have been a faithful do not so don't look like you know Johnny I thought you were going by saying a guy on an island won't feel. The cut will chime do something we can conclude that he'll be out and face but you know they face people that aren't serious will have the same pace a sequence span so that Johnson That's it he cried take it all and I don't I don't and so they gave something about it there's no need to so stand on public shoot trying I mean that is just asking for trouble Thank you think places forgive me. I think it might be 2 things here because one is extinction rebellion are there is the point I made earlier is there's no central control so lots of people are calling themselves extinction rebellion and they trying for change that we've all seen or get where it was is yet was deplorable and you don't need that on your way to work but what I would argue is that those that still do have control of extinction rebellion fighting a good fight than the ones that are making protests where they have thought about the facts and they have protested so the bricks in 3 central London was really well organized protest there was a great protest and it spike a really really important message and things like that public action not public disobedience that's the sort of thing has to happen and the only way you're going to get cut through is by doing it in a different Why so it would do then you to rebrand this wing of the people that you respect and the ones who are actually doing in the right way so they can to get away from what Jenny's troublemakers beavering got no time for work and and disrupting and actually putting lives at risk so that they can't be associate with the same people so that they be a clear distinction that Ok We're not those people we are head so we are you know the only thing I take issue in your summary with Sunny is the word disrupting because actually people talk about disruptions in industry people talk about. Well it was in their lives I drew a protest and therefore you can't take your husband or you can't spend the final hours. Of your father's life in this on this planet and you are stuck behind a protest which is not organized you don't know when is going to be over you don't know how it's going to be and if there is if there is a route around you know like Jenny said they research and routes that are planned when you are protesting so that there might be services can still provide services they couldn't during the course of those one week I completely agree with everything you just said that the only thing is that she thing to disrupt life as in real life is in getting to work because in buying something from Top Shop on Jerry had to take a husband. That Israel life yeah I'm saying let's not just dropped emergency services right let's just. Buy newspaper let's just say other thing let's just just fine and completely pre-show James you're giving your thoughts he's not representing extinction in Berlin you know not. If you don't mind and sorry Jenin this on not a journalist I'm no I'm on the on the guest terribly Now let's talk about the news initially this is my opinion and it's kind of through the prism of marketing social media p.r. All of that yes fan he's a businessman as well but Jenny I want to ask you Was there a I do know. About $900.00 I know it's going to. Cost Yeah. Yeah yeah I mean Jenny I want to ask you quick just a quick final question actually if I can just I just I mean yeah yeah just to ensure. Think that oh well but still obviously very well I got to know how she can make a career. And I'm sorry I still get back to the fact that you and sunny sky and I and my house that was. Good about. So what do you have to say about the so-called face of. Extinction rebellion I think we will see move faces of extinction rebellion and I think some of the people at the top of extinction rebellion have got respectable jobs Yeah I think to be fair Jenny I think what you are saying is extinction rebellion need to be more logistic Yes I need to behave themselves they need to get better and then I think we're completely along and I had I leave it right because I think you've made Thank you John you seem poised. And appreciate the mistakes of the trial. Day on the Thursday thank you for having. Me You know it's difficult for the current look at the post. We have received the other cars that you have to. Wait. That we could have actually said thank you yeah we've received. You know. Every I know thank you Jenny really appreciate it you would cry out for a show that you take care take care now if I'd like to give us your thoughts not over 807312000 we're going to get final thoughts from James on the other stories that he wanted to discuss but you could tell Jenny's really passionate she's really annoyed by extinction rebellion actually says when anything to do with the feedlots tell us your thoughts about 807312000. That was that Rita Ora b.b.c. Radio London very good morning it's 1221 Sonny and Cher he tonight in till 2 o'clock big thanks again to all paper if it's staying with us this evening we have James again he is a businessman entrepreneur a podcast and also a managing director of Rock it he can get further details for him on James askin And also you can just head to his website we all rocket to Kerry and James quickly for your court costs how can people get out of your part cos then you know what would be covering your pockets nice of you to us it's called Rocket Fuel Yeah and we broke it the business is looking to reach young people and I always say commission research to find out what young people think Rocket Fuel is a podcast where we talk to anybody that's affected youth culture loud youth monk sing to ask them for some insights into how they've changed by some so we've had the black run snapshot in the United Kingdom we've had somebody from Global Action Plan an environmental charity Well we've got an artist coming up we've had a behavioral economist school Rory Sutherland I'm going to have a pair radio present to see that we get out yeah yeah really yeah I know of creative field fun so fulfilling because I've just learned I'm going down wind so far in some of the conversations that you had reason to be Jules was the thread that they all have in common because it's just like you guys don't like sleeping so that's why I do what you do they. And once you are in a safe space you're thinking I'm too safe let me just gone reinvest everything and risk again disrupt something I get home and you have to strike next Yeah that's. The device is about that how we define Disrupt is actually understood by say if it is common things with the guest some rocket fuel is being tough because some are entrepreneurs some yes big corporation of course where the commonality comes from is some of the things they've said about how they mobilize children and you feel what Ian says broadly 2 things one don't patronize them good and true. Involve them in the process so I speak to the founder of fun kids radio if I'm allowed to mention I am station on hand radio station for children and his thing is we don't do anything fattish because they'll see that but we want to involve them in the sorts of things that we make with Snap Chat Les involved create a community that might cleanses for them might different things for them so that's one thing that I found really interesting the lady from Global Action Plan was very much talking about how you can't use scary language when talking to children of a primary school age was a really fascinating stuff wow offing kids you know that as much as Sunny I completely love the read the medium of radiate there is a real connection isn't there with protocols at the moment it's the real the only is now I mean radio is the only way we used to consume and have that conversation and you can feel part of the conversation like we do here on b.b.c. Radio London but podcast you go on anytime anywhere at your leisure I think it's less true of the show and other shows on b.b.c. London but broadly people listen to radio. People here right listen to podcasts and it's the active engagement I mean we've tried to keep the rocket fuel polkas sure for now it's 40 minutes depending on how much the guest talks but. At the minute we're any getting. 3 or 400 people listen to each episode but that's fine that's yeah because it's all gonna growth isn't exactly to be the organic growth of that accurately and that's what's great about podcasts at the moment if one takes up it just kind of builds momentum and yeah I know guys and guys definitely. Just before we let you guys I will keep it a bit longer but you had to find you had a couple stories didn't you were trying to do one guy with I've got one final story and there is a big boxing match tomorrow night on here I'm not so huge boxing fight and all that I think Sonny early on I told him off on of that distract Yeah I don't think it was no not that I don't like boxing I'm just not massively in sweat but I do know that and sneak Joe sure is fighting here and Sonny Joe sure should win because he lost it in the present you know saying he was supposed to win the last time with it was a no brainer right we can't write anything off but actually it's not the fights I was really kings talk about Ok it's where the fight is Ok and some are night it's in Saudi Arabia. And it's a fascinating tell it costs me hearing even b.b.c. Correspondents talk about that they had to cover the fight because it's in Saudi Arabia would they choose to go to a country like Saudi Arabia there's also thing my 7 year old son Fred probably too young a little bit of World Wrestling Entertainment and they now do touche huge events in Saudi Arabia every year and when I'm watching it yeah I'm shocked Bali I'll be honest I'll come out and say the word the propaganda so the World Wrestling Entertainment people say where hair from the progressive city of Jeddah they. Said the Saudi Arabian or forty's or investing so much money to position their country as forward thinking as a future gazing I just wonder can a country rehabilitate itself what is the moral dilemma will we'll be going on holiday to Saudi Arabia and Turkey is sharing. Everybody our face has an artichoke account kind of like to buy a bra you know it's just fascinated by an entire country changing what it's trying to be about but whether that's true or not but have we not seen country change like this before you mentioned it is not the body and what's wrong with a country trying to you know you show that we are now in a comfortable position that week are looking to open up and we are looking to change in certain ways it shapes and forms but there is not going to be change overnight I mean we have conversations in this country all the time about our leaders and our our you know our parties that are dealing with Islamophobia and also to do with the Jewish community and so when you when you see all of these things that are happening in this country and yet we have got the family at the same time we are inviting people who say look at us we're brilliant So you see your point is a really good one of the sound here a b. An oath or spending money on western sports and big events to drive that progressive change that would be what they would say I would argue with some of the human rights cases yes journalist case 3 years ago that women have been able to drive out there I think 2 years yes something like that yes not so well they slowly catching up Ristal my own What's wrong with the if we if we look a like this who are they catching up to who do they have to prove themselves to what's to say this standard or what they believe in what's right for their of their citizens works for them yeah and what works for us and our citizens works for us for example I mean like I mean you're saying that you know they're changing for the better but for who I mean we had a conversation here right now about the n.h.s. At 3 we pay for the n.h.s. And we want that not to be lost but at some point we have to have that conversation where it might get privatized so would we ever talked about this 20 years ago. No it wouldn't just been happening but they might be thinking you are charging people to heal other people we've got that for free we give people free electricity because we can afford as a country to do that so when we look at how we judge the other countries and their coaches at what point do we take off this gloss Yeah glosses that we think oh no this is the moral way of doing it I had that like to hear that it's a really good point so the best quote I was catching up with. Yeah I completely get that and I get the name I think human rights thing is probably the warm climate of fly in the ointment isn't it they do need to rebut them where if we look at their human rights and then we look at what happened with America and then they bring in extreme torture or extreme advance was it called advanced. Interrogation yet show so when we look at a moral ground what country do we then use and say oh hold on it's Ok when they do it but it's not Ok when they do it but it's not Ok for stop anyone does it so as right those then the question becomes is investing in sporting occasions on things like that the right way to communicate their message to an audience like cause all is a cynical attempt to say that they are changing it do you not see that in those said countries we had the Olympics here and before the Olympics game here nobody wanted the Olympics and soon as the flame came on to our shores everyone got behind the flame and you know we have really got to go with both and there's a lot about us for that Mandela part of the country together and then also we had the World Cup also reeling in Russia and Russia has its own human rights problems you know what really dull can really amazing facts about the Olympic games go on have to hold it because it's not our USA for anyone who wants this docking amazing fact is going to keep listening to the show oh I'm so evil I'm making you wait Ok in sin you will get behind it because the j. 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