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Still wanted to see Mr Falk practice just lingering on especially around the vial of York bias but also tend to clear away and the showers across Scotland that also clear away its north as well store else nice to come without maximum temperatures today and when I pick it up about $48.00 Celsius summing up whether on b.b.c. One this is an opportunity of a lifetime leadership a say May I take it in a nutshell. Absolutely. I've got a back a very big decision I've got to decide which one of you is down to like 260000 pounds of investment this is one vision and. This is your last day to convince me it should be here The Apprentice define Wednesday night at 9 am on b.b.c. One thing you can say this is b.b.c. 5 live with Adrian Chiles. It's 6 minutes past 12 Michael Gove's insists the u.k. Will get a trade deal with the e.u. By the end of next year the government announced it intends to legislate to add a new close the breaks a bell preventing the transition period being extended beyond 2020 Labor have voiced fears it means Britain could leave with outright agreement bollix junctions been speaking to its 1st cabinet meeting since the election has been signed how much he wants to repay you dogs who voted for the conservatives the voters of this country have changed this government and party for the better and we must repay their trust by working flat out to change our country for the better and we should have absolutely no embarrassment about saying that we are a people's government and this is a people's cabinet and we are going to be working to deliver on the priorities of the British people and that's what they want us to do we must recognise the people who lent us that bites at this election it was a quite extreme. It was a seismic election but we need to repay that trust and work 24 hours a day flattered to deliver a thanks of course of the 1st 100 days were very busy $140.00 days or whatever it was you may remember was a very frenetic time. But you ain't seen nothing yet. Europe correspondent Kevin Connolly joins us from Brussels So Kevin this this legislation sort of banning themselves or make it illegal for an extended me any further how does that go down in in Brussels among say in the Goetia community Well we haven't quite have the time for an official talk to the British take yet on this particular stage of the negotiations Adrian but of course they're going to feel a similar anyone who's listening to this thinking the danger of a no deal breaks in the lead the lack of enough time to do a deal the lack of enough time for negotiations is going to feel that's pretty familiar from the buildup to the withdrawal agreement and there's a danger that the whole of next year is going to seem like the whole of last year that it's all about the feasibility of the deadline the viability of a negotiating process all that sort of stuff broadly the reaction here is going to be a bit skeptical about whether a single year is enough to do work of this level of complexity or an enormous number of loose ends to be tied up the British view obviously is partly that things should be made a bit easier because you're starting off from a position where you are already synchronised I think there's obviously a belief on the British side in the new government that setting deadlines making deadlines hard removing the option to do there and delay and to extend is going to concentrate minds and that in itself will help towards a deal so say here they're not going to want to say anything to upset the new government of course they're not they're negotiating partners but they would view it with a degree of private skepticism I mean you can easily see it as a chest beating really well and you know what however much we beat naturists in the past by sector on the and the 27th never seem to blink it just doesn't seem to bother them they just seem better at it than us I'm sure about that I mean. You know there is I think you know on the on the e.u. Side there's a belief that they are taken collectively by have more money on their side they have more negotiating power on their side and they have important college on their side you know Britain needs a trade deal with the European Union but of course it's equally true the e.u. Needs that trade deal with Britain as well and I'm not sure they're going to see this as saber rattling or chest beating more of an attempt to make sure that the threat of constant extension is removed so that the whole process will be more disciplined look they are going to drive a hard bargain and the argument that's coming up this year Adrian is a very simple one if you want access to their market and that's the big car they've got to play it's a huge market a huge free trading area then you have to somewhat stick by their rules so if you want to sell meat pies and you want them to be pretty cheap you can't make them cheap by importing meat from countries that have got lower agricultural standards than the European Union making a pie in Britain and then flogging it in France or Germany they're not going to allow that to happen that's this talk about the level playing field if you like they're not going to allow themselves to be on to cut but of course if you look at it from the British point of view diverging from e.u. Regulations to some extent is the whole point to Bragg's it so that's the paradox the e.u. Is going to want to make sure that there's not very much divergence on the British side the British side has to have a convincing answer to that and has to know how much divergence it's prepared to accept in return for access to the e.u. Market that meat pie metaphor will come back to edge and I just thought of it as we were going on I'm quite pleased with it yes well I am as well and there's much to work with their different failings and different strains. And I look forward to sharing. With you all year Kevin thanks very much Kevin Connelly. In Brussels the number of people sleeping rough in Greater Manchester has fallen by more than a 3rd in the year according to the city's mayor The figures suggest around 150 people in the region who spend the night sleeping outside that's compared to 4600 across England as a whole or part of 460-4600 costing as a whole Andy Burnham is the is the mayor of of great amount Chester and a us President the 150 of my congratulations on this but the 150 people. In Manchester I mean at least they seem to be centered I think I'm right in saying a round the station is quite a compact. Yet true age and afternoon by the way these figures represent real progress but we've got a lot for the it's ago and you know 150 people out there right in the winter is still on Didn't 50 too many but as you say we're beginning to really make inroads into this into this challenge and as you say the problem is becoming more focused in particular areas within the city and far as I'm concerned we need the names not numbers approach where we need to go and those individuals personally of those 151 and we need to find the solution that's right for them because I'm on a mission so I didn't grow sleeping here I've said it from the beginning I won't give up until we've got that because nobody should be out on the streets in this day and age at this kind of weather and there were a couple of catch 22 is always came across when I spoke to people been doing this work for 5 or 10 years on your part and one was if they got addiction issues then they were in a generally allowed to go into hostels unless they work unless they were clean so Dot was one reason they stay down and also this thing about pets he couldn't really type dog with you into the hostel Ada So they slept rough I mean what if you don't to go and you recognise those 2 things and one of you don't to try and help me out I certainly do so we've launched a big scheme agent called a bed every night it's all big response and this is the reason why the figures are coming down every single night ingrates much to regardless of the temperature around 450 people are in our shelters across across quite small and what we try to do is improve the quality of those places spawning species you just right so for instance in odd ways there's an organization called supporting people in the and they have a number of very high thought that dog kennels or something is that is that cold so people don't need to be separated now. But inside. Institutions have to have different rules around. Around alcohol all of the substances so you know what we're trying to find solutions for everybody so that everyone can make this journey away from the streets and show what getting sober but we've got. To go on is the resistance as to actually coming off the street so. The impressions of the trial. So stay there because it's staying on the streets because it's the lowest of the low and they just can't seem. To some of them there was something that was an appalling thing. Yes a whole range of complex reasons Sejanus know why people choose not to come inside I think it's often the case that you can feel safer on the street than in an enclosed space with people they don't know so there's a whole range of reasons why people may not may not leave the streets and job is to find the reason that will help them make that journey so we are looking at both single room provision for instance creaks security for people who are concerned about that we want to put more mental health support into all of our locations because that's an important part of things as well what we're trying to do it is kind of come up with a solution for everybody and my guess is that it's really the government because we don't get any direct government funding to run about every night scratching saving kind of using the good offices of Mr Vincent Kompany. To help us raise. It we've still not showing now we can make a real difference and do it quite quickly so the government the election week or so ago with a pledge to sleeping by 2025 now aged I ask you what use is a place like. Anybody sleeping on our streets to die is the worst kind of all. You know so far in the distance nobody will remember it when we get round to the time we are proving that you can change things right now my call on the government is if you care about the often. Forgotten places around the country whether I'm betting many more people now that always of those like you can do something right now you should release funding to spread about every night right around the country. You'd make an excellent. Without the last almost the hosting using Stephen h. R. How many times and I. Mean what you want what are your thoughts on what kind of what kind of leader does the Labor Party need in most you know and they want to find Laden it wouldn't do any harm just go for it and. How to find evidence leading . Right twice such a loss twice so you know I've been there I tried I did not not have a of course so you know I can't stand in the in the current right now that I would because I'm very committed to what I'm doing here I will be standing to the greats muncher again next year but once your question where does the Labor Party go from here they thought he's always been a coalition between traditional supporters and working class communities and a university educated let's say liberal left. And the Labor Party succeeded when he spoke and some folks at those. Those constituencies so take a common Tony Blair many years ago. So from the causes of crime that was labor its best really because it was uniting those those 2 core constituencies and speaking to the whole country my feeling is that I've got to keep the policies become more a bill of goods 100 days it's increasingly only speaking so warm i.e. That the city living liberal last and most urgently. Address the issues. Concern to people in those former mining areas that went consensus last last week and the problem with that. Was it didn't look like they were just listening look like they were actively trying trying to thwart what people vote for the referendum is what I think led a lot of people to focus in the way that they could and it was also that they just didn't like they just didn't like the leader or they might even if they didn't dislike Jeremy Cole when they just couldn't and did not mean the imagination to see him in Downing Street know somebody like you kind of a modernizer kind of a sort of a bull my some sort of approach perhaps you wouldn't like you wouldn't. That I mean you could you know you could appeal to you couldn't you could do the thing you talking about and paled to the color like divide with out front in the middle classes off to death so you know if not now when I mean going to allow you to because you know you can you can get to high office Viola I'm a ship going it was the current prime minister is shown so it's not like. I'm obviously interested that this whole idea of a man becoming a prime minister was obviously thinking that I was a bit so maybe that is me somehow some sort of force in time and when it's not now wait no I mean you got to do tonight it wasn't like time was it because you you mentioned you know wouldn't. Accept you know looking very presentable Well maybe I was that was distinctly out of fashion I think Ok but now. I'm sure you're going for it so when well you white and fall I wouldn't really pop sometime in the future but I'm very committed to what I'm doing. I'm not using this as a stepping stone I'm very committed to building the evolutionary Great so much so you know the idea that Westminster fixes everything and everything sorts it out well it's never worked and what we're doing here on real sleeping is building a different way of making change happen possible change where we're working with people across the city. I think that I with good results here were really making strange how what I would say it's almost like the members of labor is grieving as a result of what happened last week the message is simple you don't need a Labor Government Labor policies and if you can make sure if your communities now and we are cruising are great some are just you know well it's actually. More rewarding. To work in the way that work because this is impacting on people's lives and you know I'd rather be doing a lot rather than sitting in the rollers thanks very much and date is the matter of the Metro Man of my stuff might region Burnam a lot of things but joins us not specifically about but alone anything you want to say about what you heard from on the Burnham it was an interesting to hear him there I remember covering those Labor leadership contest when he was trying his luck always someone sort of widely liked in the Labor Party but I remember you know as he was saying that they were all a bit out of fashion all standing there in their suits I remember the 1st Labor leadership hustings which we did for Newsnight actually back in the day when Jeremy Corbyn appeared as the real life so I do are but of course all the things that happened since then when he captured the leadership and then stayed on and then if you know gone down to this sort of historic defeat and just you know made me think maybe as I did barn was actually suggested by not quite really himself and for some time in the future that the the answer to Labor's woes may not be scratching their heads and looking around each other in Westminster not trying to get used to this defeat and the challenge for the person who might really make an impact might be someone who's willing to think in a completely different way you know to be no sorts of ideas knocking around privately by different kind of Labor party maybe they should have come kind of federal structure maybe different chunks in the north in Scotland and all around the country. And it could be a real blank sheet of paper if anybody's got the bottle really to go in and shake the whole thing up now I'm looking forward to your program the brig's it storm continues that somebody she too annoying to talk tonight yeah now what do you do. Looking out what's been you know what's been happening there in the well or indeed badly those negotiations going to looking forward and where we go now yeah well it started but it feels now like we started filming about $100.00 kids to be honest I think I've aged about 100 years in the period anyway so the film starts when Boris Johnson won the Tory leadership and of course he won that in controversial circumstances after to resume his government fell apart for the agony for the conservatives that you know months and months and months for her to eventually realize that the game was up so we followed the journey of whether or not he was going to be able to get a deal with the e.u. He was told again and again he wouldn't be able to do that and then the film goes all the way through that period through him being fined 5 and the Supreme Court finding that the prime minister it misled the Queen we go through all of that kind of stuff and then we end with the election so he's the 1st draft of one of the most extraordinary periods in our political history where decisions have been taken by the public and also by politicians that really will have a huge impact on us for you know for years and years and years to come and we were you know skulking around and in private with people like John McDonnell with Michael with Steve Baker of course is a prominent black sits here Emily Thor may of course the child of foreign secretary said it's a bit behind the scenes people behind the curtain What were they all really up to during this kind of completely bonkers time we just saw live through this clip of really thought through sounds to me like it's a bit like you know when you use Department you know that I recalled an interview about somebody used to a larger problem but they were times of Britain like that I mean I asked you in a minute how you managed to get to do this interview. With you but you'd like it in your. School you're not I mean I'm sort of anyway I think the shadow foreign secretary. If he goes into that election saying I don't have a view on the single biggest decision that we have to make I think the. What worries me is that every single interview he does will all be about Rex said I'm really pushing this because I want Jeremy number 10. So we presume you have to promise to you weren't going to you were going to release until such time as the election was over Yeah absolutely and I should say at this point a really big Thank You actually to the politicians of all stripes who took part in this documentary and some of our listeners today might remember we did the same thing last year essentially we expose because I kept a private diary if you like for all of us that would only kind of be published after after the event so we did it last year during the whole process and and of treason a trying to get a deal and then that documentary when I after we had she had tried and then failed to take us out of the European Union so I mean that's the way I suppose we persuaded 2 times their politicians to go a bit farther than they would in public. In order to really that without any sound pompous about it that we've sort of you know created a historical record of things happening as they were actually happening rather than you know making a documentary or a big film and then asking people to remember so you know I should say to all of the people of from all parties who took part with no idea where the story was going to end up yeah you know we're very kind of grateful because I think watching the film as with the last one and I hope people watch it tonight it does really give you a sense of actually what it's been like in Westminster which is sort of completely bonkers I mean we've been living through these extraordinary times so it's kind of I suppose our idea was that basically if the viewer could sort of be you know trotting around on my shoulder throughout all of this at the end of it all you know here's what the stuff that we couldn't fit on the news which is often the most human you know people's genuine reactions when they're not necessarily you know sort of worrying about sticking to the line which Emily Thornberry there of course certainly wasn't sticking to the line it's all very briefly is there any chance of January the 1st 2021 you'll be doing the document through to be and brag. It will be called how Briggs it got don't I want to know. At this point I think me and everyone else involved in this film and everyone else who's been covering politics for the day go off and have a big old diner I mean I don't know I mean I think one of the interesting things to say to people is with a majority this size you know we might be entering actually a really really different era of our politics and I don't mean just because the government would be on the verge of potential melt dying and everybody's you know wonder wondering if there's going to be a prime minister still in place by the end of the day every day but also with that kind of backing in the Commons you know Boris Johnson might be tempted to do some pretty controversial things and you know my only be the start of it thank you very much look forward to seeing you at 9 o'clock o'clock tomorrow on b b c 2 the break storm continues how about a bit of Christmas music. Going on with. Christmas this year that's the song after 25 years after it was released it finally stopped the top the charts in the us all of course as bomb Iraq Eric Carney the U.K.'s most stream song on Spotify Emily rate is a Mariah Carey tribute how many times have you were pumped with one of. The lengthy at times particularly into. Just singing at so many. Times is ridiculous always seems to be very popular and what's it like to deliver what it like to sing you sound the bit at the beginning is the trickiest isn't it. Yeah I suppose I'm so used to singing it now I've been doing a Mariah Carey tribute now for for over 10 years so yeah I'm quite used to singing it but I always leave it to the last song in my act because everyone just goes absolutely crazy for this song and I just can't believe it's only just got to number one after all these years I mean presumably if you wrote some midsummer garden party doing your Mariah Carey act you can do the Christmas songs I mean what's the earliest you get to gauge to perform Oh I would say some people have their parties now so at the beginning of November so yeah I would say sort of November time start November is the earliest Ok And what what what do you like as a as an act I mean do you resemble the great woman. Or is it more of yes people say that I do look like her or have the same sort of hair as well so yeah I don't need to put a wig on anyway let's say that so yeah and they want to see when I'm dressed up in her Christmas outfits and things then yes you know I do look like her so are you busy this Christmas with Yes very busy December November and December are the busiest month so what kind of what kind of events are you doing. Lots of coal prevents company parties restaurants quite a few different restaurants. And you know big big sort of company dues really where you know the majority people of there are Mariah Carey fans which is what I hope. As I say everybody knows that song anyway so even if you're not Mariah Carey fat you know people get up and get out Don's and make a great track she had a reputation of being a bit of a diva So these are you a bit of a Deva 2 Can you read part or do you have to actually do all you do for yourself. And oh i'm so you know a diva but obviously I can act a dba on stage as well but yeah I don't tend to have to do sort of much of that in the act to tell you no not not when singing so Ok yeah well congrats work often as you congratulate you your view I was like you. The real Mariah but you're the closest I've got I'm not so good so anyway thanks very much indeed you're welcome to waste. Talking about Mariah Carey's all over Christmas for all of the Christians as you it is finally made it to number one after right after 25 years since it was that since it was released I mean how what might you have for us today as eclectic a mix of audiophiles you could imagine from the $1.00 to $4.00 slot each and every day we start off by talking about the vulnerability that farmers feel from criminal gangs and we're talking about here course in which. Been illegal for something like 15 years problems are growing in the countryside and farmers themselves have been threatened by these gangs who would engage in these illegal past times and we want to hear from you you know if you live in rural communities how protected Do you feel especially if you're in farming communities isolated that people can just take liberties stealing equipment and as I said here courses we're going to talk about that from 1 o'clock really interesting 2 o'clock we've got Matthew horn he of course is Gavin of Gavin and Stacey is going to be on the show gavel our gavel. Big up there very massive So we're going to be doing that after 2 o'clock and after 3 o'clock we have to talk about that own goal by Syria which you'll be aware of each year and with their anti racism pictures which face it 3 monkeys on it we're going to be speaking to some advertising executives about how things like that happen because it's such a colossal own goal by Syria that we're trying to all scratch our heads and work out war how did that get past layers and layers of people who are talking about that as well may how Thank you very much indeed after after the users what we're talking about dopamine and how we could give ourselves a break fast sort of keep a wife from it stop tormenting ourselves with the with the pleasure hormone is a hormone something like that anyway you know I mean but the interesting stuff dopamine coming up after the news and sports is going to have that mom digital b.b.c. Sound must be going on this is b.b.c. 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Sound this is b.b.c. 5 Live bailable on the b.b.c. Sound with Adrian Chiles and coming up shortly from a 1st strictly the champion Kelvin after we've been taking questions from 5 live listeners I spoke to Roger and Chris on breakfast this morning rush whether they'd kept in touch with the man Kelvin had been drafted in for the last minute to replace Jeremy line we've spoken throughout this whole season and he's been really really supportive and really nice and these enough go and he loves watching him does that mean that much to. The family was saying Shelton on his Instagram to want to vote for Karim. He was also sort of. I've met a few times I maybe on the 1st the 1st show and there was an absolute gentleman everything I expected he would be came over and choose him self and and just wish me all the best realists it was great to have Travis support that because not to I'm coming on the back of his misfortune and it really meant a lot to me for him to come over and sables those nice things or you know one of alters very good friends with him in this book throughout the competition and then obviously was topped off at the end when when it can get you well you obviously thought it was a vote for another one hey I'm going to do. A lowly job Richard in Ludlow says ot did it help or hinder to have your sister as a judge now I would watch week after week and I would be daring your sister thinking where's the favoritism desperately trying to see if there was any sense of it and I didn't see any you know until right at the end when she cried when you won and I did think I wonder if that is a better system the love coming out I mean to be honest the whole thing my my priority was not even focus on any of the judges and I think all the professionals we do that my pride to is to make heaven look amazing and if he looks amazing then there's nothing they can usually say except that you look amazing and give him the fair points that he deserved and I think at the last moment where when I saw that shot 2 I think the 1st start you see is just shock of my mouth over Keller's mother and then my sister. And then just everyone was just flooding with tears with Joy I think it was really nice but the last the last show is that the judge's son was the 1st time they've met really got you know the obvious that they give that could see both the best thing about the show is The decides the winner is the audience so it's the 1st time when the judges can sit back and just you know what should I guess as a viewer give that critique or it's the or knowing that it's the views not to decide who wins this does this mean that you're a bit of a victim of your own success because this dismaying next year you might be a bit of a dog and I don't know what it means I learn from Dunn to have no idea what I do here live if I don't. Yeah I mean I was. So I think I don't know if I still come from Calvin just be like I was never in the downs of with him. Oh I've already asked if you know next year if I could come service it was shown to be in the audience on that row and I'm going to you know. Strictly went to stalking to write Cho and Chris so if you have the b.b.c. Sounds out you can listen back to the whole interview on 5 Live breakfast this morning right dopamine this is described as the pleasure chemical it's a new row transmitted. Whatever that is I'm sure we'll find out how we feel motivation to do things when it's released it tells the brain that whatever just experience is worth getting more of you can get away from fruit drugs gambling exercise is also a famous viral video talking about the dopamine hit given by mobile phones every time I go notification comes in but there's a group of people who believe it's good to limit the release of dopamine or even try to stop it completely for a short time it's called a dopamine fast in a moment I spoke to Richard runs a self improvement you Chub channel called improvement pale here from a video which is out more than 1800000 views already has rules for dopamine fasting there's a huge list of things that you cannot do that's right things that you consider to be fun entertaining or pleasurable are strictly forbidden so this means no food all you're allowed to do is drink water no phone and you can leave it on for emergency calls but you can't use it no internet which includes surfing the web and or social media of any kind of Facebook snap chat Instagram no watching the videos so this means no t.v. No youtube no Netflix no going to the movies no substances of any kind no alcohol no weed no drugs no cigarettes and nothing with caffeine no video games no music no hangout with your friends no talking to anyone unless it's an emergency or for something work related no masturbating and finally no reading of any books fiction and or nonfiction. You're probably thinking that doesn't leave much to you be right you can drink water you can walk around outside you can meditate you can do some light exercise and most importantly of all you can write using a pen and paper. That was Richard who runs improvement on we can speak to him now how long does this little monk like existence sort of. Commanded to live like about for we don't 10 minutes a day how does it go. When I 1st did it was a 24 hour experience there are really any set rules I think that you would get a pretty good experience from just doing it for 24 hours Ok. Let's bring in a psychology lecturer from Cambridge University Dr Amy Melton and I mean our new route neurotransmitter then just give us a quick Idiot's Guide Well it's a chemical that brain cells used to talk to each other a bit like kids passing notes in class. And do there's more than one presumably not dopamine pacifically does what So Dave mean tunes the way the brain cells talk to each other and so it's controlling which ones are talking and how they're talking to each other so Richard's methodology for just cutting off doctor may know not having it released is that it is just with that same to you the white to do it. So I think that the idea of don't mean follow staying and and sort of limiting what you day taking time to reassess how you're spending your days in the habits that you've gone in to is probably quite a good idea I can see the benefit in that but I think the link to don't mean specifically I'm a little bit more skeptical about I'm not sure the evidence is there Richard what evidence are you going by. Well there really isn't any studies that I'm aware of where they've actually done an experiment to see if there's any effect on the dolphin receptors from doing 24 hours trashed but there is a study that I can recall about cigarette smokers who when they were friend from smoking for about 20 plus days their receptor is the amount of receptors changed but just just doing it for 24 hours there isn't much evidence actually to back that up and after 24 hours we do find you know they go to sleep a little bit and I made kicking game so you won the lottery the following morning you couldn't feel happy about it because you don't I mean bits of going to sleep well not really what tends to happen is since you spend 24 hours doing absolutely nothing everything else that you know you're supposed to be doing the next day like going to the gym or meditating or working on a project it just seems more exciting because you spend an entire day doing practically nothing. Tom has written about this for the for the Telegraph health right to that Tom what do you make of this well I was forced on the spot a sauce or die trying it and I think it's it's pretty interesting I think the we have an issue here in the mean false in that if you didn't have any judgment in your brain you would die but what it is is a stimulation Fost. This is something which various religions actually have built into the traditions so pretty robust and sabotage of the Jewish Sabbath for instance and I found that when I deprive myself of stimulation for a whole day it was very boring that time but I felt sort of slightly better just that the following week. So really this amounts to meditation as it's a it's sort of it's by seem to the practices of many religions just you know just just be at peace and do absolutely nothing it's got a lot more the mind I mean I think there's a lot to be said for that I think it's very easy to not deal with things or not think about things by distracting ourselves and we do have a lot of methods for distracting ourselves these days so I think partly it's as you say sort of refraining from stimulation actually taking some time to raise sess but also what you were doing as an alternative so being outside being out in nature I mean that's also very good for you and that's very nice evidence now that you know exercise taking a walk and you know help with certain types of therapy and so on so I think it's a little bit of what you're not doing but also a little bit of what you were doing instead. Richard you basically knowledge it was like meditation How does it differ from somebody who's just just meditating for 20 hours. Or there's a form meditation called the persona meditation where people do go on a retreat for maybe like 5 or 10 days and that is basically what they do although it is meditate all day and in my opinion would have the same sort of benefits so we did there really isn't much of a difference. Ok so Tom. Just wondered what's the difference with what we're hearing here and what other doctors would advise in terms of just rest and just giving your body a little bit of a break. I think what we're looking for and don't mean fasting is a slightly more specific effect so it's most vocal proponents will say that it helps them rewire that pre-selection for certain behaviors for instance if you have a day where you can't heal fine you'll be less likely to look you'll find thoughtlessly the next day so it's you are generally resting yourself as well but you're also reconfiguring your addictive behaviors. So I suppose I mean we ought to look at this in the context of the modern world and just how you know it's kind of almost a destruction economy every you know you the the Internet is almost designed to distract you at every moment to give you those hits and I think to most go Khamenei must sort of way you out. I mean again I don't know if it's dough from being specifically. I do think yes I mean we all very very easily distractable and there are many different ways that we can distract ourselves nowadays so that through taking that time to be really mindful of how the habits you've gotten into and what you're doing without thinking I mean you have parts of that very similar to cognitive behavior therapy just taking control of what you were doing and being very mindful of. Things that you do without thinking that makes you feel I'm more in control when you then go back to it you are more aware of your picking up your phone when you're doing it with Matic lay and then you can make a decision as to whether you really need to take a vine right now or not so I think it's an element of control is a big part of this is wow but it is really sort of chemical or pharmaceutical why of switching it off this which an off day for me or there are I wouldn't advise them I mean I mean. It's important motivation but it's also important in other functions as well like motor function so most people would have had a Parkinson's Disease for example Parkinson's disease is caused by death of a particular type of dive mean cells within the midbrain And obviously that causes huge problems in terms of movement and initiating movement and sort of very slow and difficult movement so I'm not sure you would necessarily want to base sort of chemically switching off switching off type maybe because you can't really separate out the motor in the motivational effects and I'm not sure you. I want to switch off the medication and thanks anyway so we heard about Richard's diet I just give us a bit more detail about your diet what did you what what did you have to well I was hearing pretty rigidly to what I think were actually Richard's rules so possibly the strictest interpretation of a 24 hour fast. So I didn't allow myself to socialize eat anything other than a thin watery broth I didn't have caffeine I didn't read a book until. Later an evening I simply meditated did house work walked around outside and I was about it. And we're locking in every chair. You know why wouldn't I frustration out a normal amount of energy that I had nothing to expend on right so what did you do the way through the day debate times that you started afresh in the morning or how to get out of it come to an end I will have to confess that this took me through to about 1 am and most fasting regimens. And so on I'd swipes my housemate's been on a tea is a little treat and even turned I had black tea in it because my stomach was empty I couldn't sleep so one am I cry and had some cereal and read the news and I was well my foster and I'm gonna work on the cereal. It was. Not based musically that we had in the house and I would tell you is to let yourself go you know this crisis. Richard what did you find when what do you have when you finished your or when he finished your fast. In terms of food or whatever why did you break your fast. Oh I remember I actually do 24 hours for jazz quite often and usually the best recommendation is to break it was some sort of light meal like a salad or some sort of soup Yeah Ok All right Richard Roth from improving Perl Thanks thanks very much. Tailoring Blackburn says Muslims do this doubly faster than the cells from the world in a room for the last 10 days the month of Ramadan to worship God and try to attain blessings of the night of power that's dopamine starving says says to here and someone else says that 2 days ago I decided to come off caffeine now lights are up in lights are up in bed with terrible withdrawal symptoms a lesson we wear the simple habits we all adopt I suppose you know many of us do rely on coffee for that there's a dope or main component to that is the rhyming and there is I mean most substances and caffeine and of those types of food will lead to a dope main hit that caffeine was there has effects on other chemicals in the brain as well when it's those that cause the particular and unpleasant symptoms that have cafe moved are all Ok thank you very much indeed I may Thanks thanks very much for talking to us Dr Amy Milton from the University of Cambridge you must hate a supposed time of the telegraph where the health editor says Oh I've just come across this but a month and say oh well you know give it a go I mean you know what's next for you perhaps there's a day nothing but chips or something. I don't know what's next it's been a long arduous year doing things like 3 day fasting and I mean fasting and such like I'm sure there are many more punishments in store Ok but they all involve deprive yourself of something not actually indulging yourself. Yeah awful for me dude. I've also been made to go cold a little swimming in January in the North Sea. Which is which is very different and also I should ministering some things yourself in the problem yourself something all right thanks very much thank you Tom Oh. Where should we go now you heard it we're talking about the number of people sleeping rough in great to month Manchester and how it's actually fallen by more than a 3rd in the year according to the mayor and the figures suggest that around 150 people in the region who spend the night sleeping outside that's compared to 4600 across the globe our reporter Helen late has been to visit coffee for cry homeless charity in Manchester Well she's also a dose of the kitchen. The guys coming to reception. Management Gaffney. Coffee for Chrissake my job also Malays to when they when they come even crises try and get them into emergency cancel services and drugs service is out on the like but also encompassing not he's actually going to dropping which he's probably the how the spirit of it is we're dealing with many many people also many followers of people as well what I find my job really is to get to know probably the people that committed this place to get the trust you know and then once you can see when they're hitting a crisis point of Hopefully when they've had enough they will come to you to help we always provide good quality food 7 days a week what the food is is really carrots you get the guys in into gets an organ which can get anything between $5100.00 calories a night if we have it you'll diagnostic know some board we also have a medic full time here and we've got of boneless about surely amazing moments here I have to say we all share was here and toilet dentist we have to close by going through bank and sleeping bags and several I was a true. You know how to be nice. From being 20 to being proxy doobies not do this job definitely tend to be able to be who lets the guys I understand work the commute from what the issues are and I'm sitting in Macarthur 5 days just contemplate seems he was that contemplating suicide and I really annoyed to go even though out of family and up my addition was about me and about me Tom Craig and then at that moment I got a helping hand which basically got me out of it so that me daughter came up with the idea of starting a soup kitchen so maybe dos one day I just sent home Piccadilly Gardens with a box of some which is in a flask of coffee not knowing anything at all and then we met briefly from coffee procreate and ended up doing this absolute pitch up. This is the dining room we have a television that we have room for guys to watch we go we can say about 28 people in a house that's funny scary and fun secluded nights out until night menu and a chicken curry fish fingers chips to be. Taken close to the last outing weekend of a much bigger bridge you people the homeless know people who you believe dream will bring home a few good clean and well kept and you will you will never know the this number of young people people who come out of the cursed system and just basically left to it obviously get a lot of drug addiction put them will get a middle aged man and split with a partner not able to just get a profit you saw them have a bug credit record you know if people really book you know the house jumps and and the sleeping on the street. Became homeless to go on I didn't know those on the place a lot of my home of over. Oh maybe I can afford to pay my rent for over 50 miles. Of the power you want you to deal with folks over when we get to. Where you go off to the theater tonight. To offer news of. He's been to I saw him so much and I thought not but my hospital. Ok And yeah I got a place for it on the back of the room. That's Helen Leahy hearing from people attack coffee for Crikey Congress charity in Manchester or show today I would be talking about the the the trauma of the main and a now in the delivery suite being present at the present at the birth I'm just grateful like really not a single woman I'm talking about it so we're just going to get a woman under the wire so. To wax so to speak so I just tell us tell us about yourself what what what what was your what was your experience. I thought 3 children a very long book for the 1st one reasonably Ok for the the 2nd to the race like text it was about your. Comments about the film and yeah and I really wanted to still be the 2nd to but I want to be fair with your main I mean you couldn't be fair what you say out of the southeast Nicholson I know you did I die of a comment by a guy called No it's over. But we didn't tell it me on because I think we both thought it was just a bit too weird but I do a question I would like to have done it but I'm interested so well I was you was you know it was your father a help imagine really oh totally Oh yeah yeah if I totally got up feel quite story full time I did not situation could help me do anything I just got on my comment saying I can't do reason that I was talking about that I mean but you know it's quite traumatic thing to watch a partner doing that yeah yeah yeah Ok thanks for calling someone you haven't got that video memento we'll we'll hear from somebody sooner or later you have Helen all the advice to you thanks very much for listening thanks for your company today enjoy the rest of your Tuesday in the holidays Adrian thank you coming up how vulnerable are we. 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