Smith thank you Richard Moscow says it's an honor to become the permanent c.e.o. Of the Premier League following a bite of the 20 clubs he's been acting as the interim boss for the last year and he's a full person to be offered the role it comes just 2 weeks after David pencil was forced to resign before starting that followed newspaper allegations about his private life interim also boss Freddie ember can escape the questions but he says he's yet to hold talks with the club over the full time managerial vacancy there in your I play action in a couple of hours they need to win or draw against under the age or Frankfurt loss to progress Manchester United wolves and Celtic are all 3 Rangers can also progress to the knockout stages with a win over young boys that's a boss Brendan Rodgers has ruled out selling any players in January he says it's clear they've got something good going on at the club with a 2nd in the Premier League and Elop double Olympic champion Kelly Holmes says there will always be a cloud around me far as achievements due to his past links with disgraced coach Alberto Salazar far as always maintained he's a clean athletes. 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Sounds as part of your drive for it so let's see good afternoon everybody welcome to drive it is Election Day of course so off commercials mean we can't talk about politics till 7 o'clock tonight so our main story today on drive focuses on football for. Announces it's more than 3 months since Barry f.c. Were expelled from the Football League leaving a gaping hole in the community. And blog football's a lesson for the practice for the players. On. The flow on from Spencer again. And. Most people that are using closer to his plan. That's Michael the mighty McLean on the day that the English Football League expelled Barry over their longstanding financial problems he's been a fan for 65 years cause many are just think of it the way cannot challenge to Spurs to watch Burnley and it just occurred to me on the train down that Barry fans won't be doing that so we were all there on the day that will move away and that is a club that's a can a community a whole bunch of fans who've lost the one thing that they really love one of the pivotal moments in the whole Barry story which brings us to where we are today because in a moment we're going to focus on the championship and worries that that division is on the point of financial implosion one of the one of the focal points on the debate about Barry was when I interviewed the owner of the time Steve Dale here in the studio and he admitted that he didn't even know Barry had a football could just just have a listen to that moment again you're not a sports fan you kind of freedom it at that have you been surprised by the passions involved as this is just not one of the normal businesses you'd run as it is now. Yeah I think it's fantastic that they are passionate but what they need to the wrist Sempra and not be sure and not shoulder. Bar disgraceful behavior when the full of and discredit the club and I never once a better. Place I frequent So you know for me to awkward from Barry and never go back it is a very easy thing to because I don't do anything don't but I'm not I won't didn't even know there was a football team called back to be honest with I'm not a football fan and it was that interview that elevated a beyond just a story about Barry f.c. Got millions of views on social media and fans began to debate the ownership of the clubs and and at the time they seem to reflect that that well it's it's a little league want to shoe a league to rise much higher up the pyramid but that's not the case Have a listen to what's coming but when Barry were expelled from the Football League 5 librettist spoke to the interim chair of English football at the time Debbie Jevons who said that whilst the finances were being looked at they will confident that he is a sustainable league discussions have been heard that the club's about the way to run either through the champion traditions wants to stand ability in the Championship but those discussions are going that well everybody wants to stay a little league no plan is it it's not sustainable the way it's being run now because you have people like this coming in buying clubs for a pound and Barry in a situation is sincerely it's an indefensible position isn't it it's not sustainable the way it's being run I don't know I don't dispute that when you look at trust the matches are taking place every week successive that the 18000000 people that go through they skate every year it is a successful what we have here is an individual case the person came in he was eligible and so the onus and directors test is applied to everybody at that time but I have said yes of course we will sit sit back and look at it which is. Government should continue to work with the league but it is a sustainable e that's the view of the way you have to ask yourself what what's the driver here between these owners and fans as well who get carried away it's an attempt to reach the Premier League is not to get a $125000000.00 pounds a year or so after that interview we decided to take a closer look at the finances at the top level of the that's the championship the league clubs are just one promotion away from those hundreds of 1000000 pounds on offer in the Premier League what we found is that the finances of Championship clubs are in a worrying state working with accountants Deloitte and sport finance experts visible to examine the most recent accounts of clubs in the Championship we found the Cubs are making huge financial losses more than half the clubs in the league spending more on wages than the bringing in in revenue when we took our findings to David Sharp he was chairman of Wigan Athletic until the family sold the club cause former Premier League side now in the championship he told me what he made of what's happening with the finances in the Championship we sold for one reason only because we didn't see an improvement and held all the finance we're going it was it was going worse and it still still quite a scary prospect watching on from afar know what is it about this league that seems to make owners take financial risks that they probably wouldn't in other areas of their lives we spoke to some fans who say they say it's now a league of gamblers Yeah definitely and it gambling is the word that gets used I mean it's even worse than that because if I go to the casino in the roulette table and you've got a 5050 chance of young white or black with a Football League it's it's much worse because you you've really got a 4 percent 5 percent chance of getting to family. When you competing with $23.00 of the teams in the Championship and it is a lottery you hoping every year you might get close and you might gather and if you don't you have to pump in 1520000000. Yeah from from your own pocket not many not only people I do not know many people can afford to do but I think if you know a billionaire you struggle to afford it we know from our history at Wigan we were putting in nearly a 1000000 pounds a month and my family my grand just just to keep it going in the us that's what I think we have the full flow assuaged win the championship so. It's quite a frightening prospect we've already seen Barry disappear from the f.l. Do you think a championship team might follow suit I would be surprised I think Barry in my opinion what chasing the dream of the Championship and life wise they'll be they'll be Championship clubs chasing that permanent dream and when it doesn't come off and when when the gamble doesn't pay off some Somebody has got to be so of accountable and has the has to fit the bill and if you can't afford it to move the club ends up an administration one of the huge Deila Ms underlying all this is that the 1st people to to winch when things go wrong and I've done it myself so I can say that affirms who same lie may have reversed our club but actually where money is being spent on new signings and everything is rosy in the Premier League's within the reach of the playoffs fans are the ones driving it as well it's that that's an issue too isn't it I think the Premier League make everything hell to make it makes football fans see it seen that there's loads of money floating about in the game and everything is rosy and and they see the superstars in the public pay paid for genius and then the reality is side of us there's a lot of great football clubs with huge following and a great community that are lying on one individual or one company to keep up football club going and if it never person loses interest of a company loses interest. It leaves hundreds of thousands of football fans the process of losing their football club and it's just no way to. To run a football club or a business and how it will be sold this isn't the only way to be sold this controlling wages. Because that's where that's where 9590 percent of your cost is it in terms of wages they profit in sustainability rules were brought in 201620172 try and counter all this but the growth in losses on the growth in wage spending has gone on so all they fit for purpose to do thing they're not working well obviously obviously out obviously not. The effort pay can lose you can lose 59000000 over 3 years and then jumping ship is clearly not stopping clubs and Birmingham got a 9 point deduction last season it's a slap on the wrist and tens of yeah you get a point you get a point adoption it didn't affect their season they didn't go down a thing or. I worry more about the bigger picture in terms of what a club does go into administration and and does face the prospect of going totally all business oh alternately David is the championship sustainable financially do you think. It's a bubble waiting to burst this is it can't continue. If the model is just built off having enough billionaire owners to keep funding it then sister strange crazy model in my opinion. Because there's only so many people you can achieve that is and in 5 years time will be so I had discussing maybe losing a couple clubs probably will probably will we all want to be successful football fans want that team to be successful so you've got a balance of being successful but on the page but also off the pitch and it just doesn't go hand in under the chairmanship if I gave you the magic wall mill famous magic wand what would you do with the salary cap is that where you're leaving to how would you solve the problem yes salary cap is the only way. Yeah people talk about a new t.v. Deal all just go but the players ultimately the and and the clubs and the owners that want to gamble will just give give out higher wages so I think a salary cap would be the only solution however the us to be voted for by by the Football League teams and and the chairman of ourself that might vote one way and be certain of the other way and they're the ones that are. Obviously fun a club with with the mass of money it would be hard to pass but. If they don't it's got a big big problem on and that's the former chairman if we can laugh at it David Sharp they're essentially saying the championships are financial basket case later on we're going to hear from fans of Sheffield Wednesday now that could have been investigated by the f.l. In relation to the purchase of Sheffield Wednesday's ground for 60000000 pounds or so by the owner the allegation is that that was to get around these profits and sustainability Russo here from m.i.t. And if you're a championship fan of a side in a championship How do you assess the gamble your team might be making to try and get to the Premier League the f l for their part say overall championship revenues have risen for 5 seasons in a row but rising player wages are a challenge there they say Clyburn is a well aware of the league's regulations they know the risks to sustainability at the same time they have to be allowed flexibility to succeed within those regulations the a.f.l. Goes on to say shown that appropriate action will be taken against clubs who breach regulations it's also set up a working group of the clubs to examine how sustainability can be maintained into the future interesting David Schardt then said he didn't think the championship was fit for purpose as it stands at the moment I'm very soon one or 2 clubs could go bust What do you make of the late 5058 at b.b.c. 5 Live us a look at the news headlines quarter past 4 before we do that actually let's just look at a story that we mentioned in the news at 4 o'clock 8 people have been injured. After a bus crashed into a railway bridge in Swansea man's been arrested our correspondent Thomas Morgan is in Cardiff Thomas what do we know about what happens Well this album they're owned 20 to 10 this morning when as you mentioned a double decker bus crashed into a railway bridge. Road which is close to the city center in Swansea berths was transporting mostly students between the 2 university campuses singleton in the new Swans e Bay compass However due to a road closure it wasn't actually travelling along its usual route list of hawks on board when the crash happened I was sitting at the back of a talk that I was just really exhausted but there was a loud noise I was thrown forward if I had only seen front and next thing I know I'd look up and there's just there's just a bridge halfway through the bus 8 people were injured to 2 seriously and another with life threatening injuries was airlifted to Cardiff University Hospital of Wales songs e Bay Health Board have asked people to avoid attending their Anian Morriston unless they have a serious illness or injury saying the department was extremely busy after the crash all the railway line is now reopened the they say that they expect delays roads remain closed in swarms years the work continues to unpeel the bus from an Denethor bridge Now you mentioned also that someone has been arrested South Wales Police have arrested a 63 year old man and the bus company involved 1st can be said a full investigation had been launched Thank you Thomas Thomas Morgan our correspondent in Cardiff with the latest is 17 minutes past 4 now this is 5 Live Drive a sad lines it is full it is on drive it was was waiting it was $55.00 Live has found the championship teams are making huge losses as they chase promotion to the Premier League place in New Zealand are preparing to start a recovery operation on White Island and 8 people are just heard have been injured after a double decker bus drove into a Swanzy Braille Weybridge or not as the trouble thanks to any city and 61 in Lancashire heading south there was an accidental visit reading. Between junctions 8 and 6 so all the keys are still there from the seventy's backing up to junction 8 and 57 on the northbound junction. One lane out and that's because of the 5 northbound. On his left Q.'s and imagine that junction. That's again on the m 5 the I'm 42 very slow on the southbound side. There's been an instant. On the m 20 westbound heading towards London junction 3 Sorry junction 6 at Maidstone. Still underway and there are problems on the trains Great Western Railway made and had this been an instant which is coming to us delays 95 minutes so watch out that there is a travelling between reading and. Thank you and a little bit later on in the program I speak to somebody who's having a strictly party this weekend is the final. What is the Strictly. Because I decided to try and find a menu for for a strictly party so I suggested salsa Yeah yeah yeah I suggested I go yes. Well there's got to be something based on the American Smooth 1000. As. I thought everyone could. Possibly want even. If you could put together a bit of a strictly menu I don't want to give the. People close to fall but I have got today were. Time to show that the reason for all those Everybody else is there. Is. A 5 hour 58. Already. So who. Should time go so far. 5 thank you for trying. 855820 past. 8. This Saturday this is. 3 pm. Sunday is meant to see you know it is against Alison. Arsenal against Manchester City for a league is your station and this is I. Just want to spend a few seconds now on the program to send our thoughts to our friend and colleague Nicky Campbell to Dad And if you saw this on social media or in the news on the b.b.c. News website please moms died the age of 96 and Nick has written a brilliant and heartfelt tribute to Sheila who adopted him as a 4 year old baby in 1961 of course it was that adoption that led to he presents longest family you'll know on i.t.v. When he reunites a lot of children who were adopted with their parents down the line he said this on Twitter my mum Sheila died yesterday at 96 we made a b.b.c. Programme together about her service as a radar operator and she was immensely proud of her role on D.-Day life's work was a social worker helping others the day she and dad adopted me was the day I won the lottery she doted on the grandchildren of my girls completely a daughter everybody did I'm so lucky I'm proud to have had her as my mum and we will miss them more than we can ever express she was my adoptive mum she was my real mum that's what Nicky said to him just on a personal note my dad died about 5 months ago and Nicky sent me a wonderful email at the time it was really uplifting really meant a lot to Maine so obviously managed to do the same to Nikki today but I just want to spend the focus was a really emotional moment on prefaces morning when Rachel tried to read the message this thing is you know you probably know Nicky's moment as well because he talks about her dad so much and because she came home 5 life. At 1st and talked about what she did in the the Women's Auxiliary Air Force in World War 2 when he made that special program about us so it probably feels like somebody somebody you know is well almost a member of your family and the fact that you know Nick has talked so much and and so often and been so open about the fact that he was adopted in that incredibly loving relationship he had with his his mom and with his dad as well it just was clearly an extra special thing so we're really thinking about about Nicky today is a tough day for him he's going to be back on se but I know so many of you have sent messages and tweets to him so many messages and I know for a fact he'll be really thrilled and really really grateful for every one of those I find that's why I put in my message there because he's off today but he's going back to work tomorrow what I wanted and I said I see him I'm sending you back to work tomorrow says You brought him up well giving him those were good bye to Wernick and he'll be back there no doubt thinking of her tomorrow as well so just to say we're thinking of him today I strive on 5 live with honor and Tony 23 minutes past for now let's talk about the Premier League for a few minutes they'll be hoping it's 4th time lucky after announcing that the interim chief executive Richard Masters has this afternoon been given the job on a permanent bases it comes just 2 weeks after the Premier League's 3rd choice David pencil a media executive r