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Is about to make his speech to the party's annual conference 5 lives James Shore is at the conference in Aberdeen James hello you know what are we expecting to hear from Nicholas sturgeon James. Maybe we should just kind of pause for a 2nd as Prosenjit extra. Food what extraordinary circumstances she's making this speech and you know in a few days' time the entire future of this country Scotland we're talking to you from in the whole of the u.k. Could change you know on turn of the dice is it going to be a deal is going to be no deal is it going to be delayed we don't know and those are the circumstances in which she makes this speech and I think what she's going to do if she's going to try and draw a kind of comparison between her style of course of politics and what she will call the crude populism as she would term it of political leaders like Boris Johnson and Donald Trump and she will emphasize the fact that she is seeking independence of course as we all know that's the going to principle of the Scottish National Party but she wants to do it by legal means she wants to do it the constitutional way know it and she will again compare with the actions of. Boris Johnson not in the way that he has conducted himself in other words you know the paroquet Sion the suspension of Parliament last month which was a route to be unlawful by the Supreme Court so emphasising that drive towards independence but also emphasizing the fact that she will do it in the way that she thinks is the right and the legal route to do it it always seems slightly remiss to kind of reduce an s.n.p. Conference or a speech just talking about the independence referendum to what are the big challenges that Scotland faces. Aside from getting in the ref and breaks it. Yeah that's a very fair point I mean one of the domestic policies that we we think she's going to talk about. What is described is known residential social care in other words Kaffir people who are living at home are supported by the state or local authorities and it's things like Wooden's and sheltered housing meals on wheels along for monitoring alarms for elderly people she says that the Scottish government is going to fund that to the tune of 250000000 pounds so that is a whacking great commitment which we think will come in if the s.n.p. a Virgin again after the 2021 election that's one priority for her but there are a whole load of other issues that the s.n.p. Would also be picked up on I think education a lot of people would have questions about their record on education over the last decade or so and also the n.h.s. Where there have been particular problems with a couple of very big new hospital projects which are not going to plan those I think are not the end of things she's going to in this conference speech I mean in 2015 they did extraordinarily well 2017 not so well and Ruth Davison's of the leader of the conservatives did quite well. Now that Ruth Davidson is no longer leaders Scottish conservatives James are they feeling more Boids by that. And you know I think there probably are but but one of the factors which is it seems really buoying them and it's one of the things that they've talked about at this conference is the fact that Scotland was so strongly against it and the s.n.p. Are an anti party and it looks as though there certainly are some people here who've decided to support the s.n.p. Even though they weren't previously in favor of independence so that has probably helped them a lot Bracks it is in a strange sense of benefit for the s.n.p. . But here's one thing that I think we should probably all bear in mind is that if by any chance any strange turn of circumstances bricks it doesn't happen that would actually have an effect for the s. And p. That would actually possibly lose them support it might mean that that goal of independence which they cherish would be further away than it seems at the moment change Thank you for our blogs James sure who is that yes M.P.'s annual conference in Aberdeen shortly we will be hearing from the leader of the Scottish National Party Nicholas Sturgeon who Scotland's 1st minister of course she makes her keynote address to s.n.p. Delegates Talking of which we have Stephen Campbell and Laura Pollack who are s.n.p. Members eagerly awaiting Nicholas speech very good afternoon to both of you been in love to talk lovely to talk to both of you so let's talk about some of these challenges this part bricks and let's park a 2nd referendum what do you think the big challenge is that Scotland face of starting with you Laura Oh you know the challenges call is based in part from. An. Independent Study this question yes it's one of the big challenges that we face. I would say I mean I would say that. I'm expecting this for starch and to call I thought is. That their attitudes that's external that I'm talking about and Turner looking at Scotland and say you can't make it all you can't just be a party that everyone thinks of all they're obsessed with is a 2nd referendum to. Learn faces challenges in terms of housing in terms of education and access policing all of these challenges I would definitely I'm quite focused on child care and I feel as though. Child care and education are and that's an important one. Stephen can I ask you as well where you think the big challenge is the law. I I think the biggest challenge personally lies in climate change because that's I mean it doesn't just affect Scotland affects the whole world but we meet really really ambitious targets so no I mean it's really important to here are actually going to go by tackling those. Yeah and on top of that you know you mentioned the chairs you mentioned which education I get that it's not the best in the world but I mean I just recently graduate I didn't have to pay a penny in fees it wasn't for that which is one of the main policies of I never would have been able to go to university. And in terms of then. Where you think the s.n.p. Have come short No I am asking delegates but you know and members of the party but trust you to be honest enough to say we're not getting more time you know where do you feel Stephen the s.m.p. Of foreign sure. I think there's been. There's been a lot of issues facing stuff in h.s. I mean my sister for the h.s. So that's something we need to tackle but that's going to be very very difficult and like a brick said because we have so made a staff here look at the country and others who don't want to come because they don't feel welcomed and I really hope that and the s.n.p. We can kind of spread that welcome message so that we can tackle that challenge. Laura yet. This is what we're falling star on. Yeah I definitely had a little bit state pensions I was off when there was a resolution that I'm on Monday about it. So. The state pension is the worst. For a major country so it's definitely not. Really tackle that. What about teachers sure to do Steve. Well yeah I mean it's the same thing again breaks it is really really not helping that situation I understand that you know the s.n.p. Is really trying to ward it to getting more young teachers into university and I think that that is starting to come to show and again but again with breaks that we need to try to make sure that as a party we're trying to encourage people to move to Scotland because we need more immigrants here and not just the n.h.s. Not just education but just our society is old. Do you think the s.n.p. Has been successful is management and I trust in Scotland largely at least I mean you know granted we certainly got short comings out say I'm not going to deny that that happened but I mean you know the n.h.s. Stuff is up more than 10 percent under the same We've got the best performing n.h.s. In the u.k. Over that doesn't make up for the fact that we're not perfect we still got work to do and I think the n.h.s. Has gotten difference to be proud of I've got family work for it and I know that they are very very proud to work for the Scottish n.h.s. . I mean looking at some information from last year and. In terms of mental health provision for young people 18 times for the with the worst on record with. My parents I've spoken to a lot about mental health my brain Arcos I've spoken to on social media so it's something that is very close to my heart and again we're not perfect but I think it's it's almost a good thing that so many people are talking the reason that we have such a long provision is because. I feel that the stigma is really being tackled quite successfully and because of that a lot more people are feeling like they can speak in the county jail yeah granted there is a really long waiting list I'm not going to deny that I've been in the Myself it's not a pleasant experience but the people who are in extremis need of help are the ones are prioritized and they're the ones that get the help 1st. So I'm Laura what are you expecting to hear from Nicholas sturgeon or in fact actually less do that in a different way what do you hug her. To hear yes I was. Hoping. Well I yes so I'm hoping for her to address. The way the ashes of August definitely. She. Wasn't prepared to be a politician at Matanzas silence and she hasn't been up to this point but I really hope she calls I John Sweeney that yesterday she you know. Described it as a claim by a dangerous one so that's what I'm hoping for. I'm hoping that she. Recognizes a new slang as well. Itself the engine of the past few days and our hard work as well. And the public's Everybody's I really hope she addresses and talk to deliver on those. I mean talking about young people but the Program for International Student Assessment says that you know. Since 2006 as one of the u.s. M.p. Coming to power Scotland's rankings in science is form from 10th place to 19th in reading ability from 11 to 23rd and in math from 11 to 24 that's the piece a ranking. Of 35 member nations of the o.e.c.d. I mean that's pretty alarming just staggering figures. Well that shows on less M.P.'s watch they haven't helped educate the children of Scotland Well they're. When I close sense that became 1st minister has been 1200 extra teachers in our schools so I think there is a teaching shortage in schools is there no yes. Absolutely and we're not there for that but there had we have. Those one type those those numbers. More than 100 schools been pushed on to the s.n.p. So we there are we have been rising action there Stephen what are you hoping to hear Nicholas sturgeon speak I was really hoping to hear more about her we're going to talk about climate change obviously and you were I think the 1st country the world to declare a climate of marriage and say like I said we've set the most ambitious targets anywhere in the world so I really want to hear more about how we're actually going to do that and I'm also hoping she mentions I saw this in years earlier today I'm about that part of being over again bisexual man 1st on convince these. Men who are criminalized for basically just loving someone of the same sex so I'm really hoping that she mentions that because I watched I watched in the Parliament a year and a half ago it was a really really emotional day and I think that's something that not just in a sea of people in Scotland we should be proud that we're really really progressive an outliner Absolutely I. Would love for her to and address the issues in Catalonia right now but that just happened. What about the focus on. Independence referendum a 2nd independence referendum referendum what do you mean not your members of the s.n.p. Separate fully saw and up to the idea. Is that not just an unnecessary distraction whereas I'm pointing out the s.n.p. Have. More immediate issues to deal with once they have been given power to deal with things such as education they seem to have filed over the last 30 years we've failed you gotta remember that Westminster still sits over overall budget so whilst we can decide where to allocate allocate. The money to stuff like that the money. Those come from Westminster and those rankings that I mention that's down to Westminster so when things go wrong you can blame Westminster and when things go right you can be got yourselves I didn't say Right Ok so then what do you put in this down to this this this failure in reading ability science and math and the 3 cool you know I'm not I'm not too sure what that Peter is I've not actually read them myself before but and. Yet that I can argue of the Edinburgh social Now that is not very good and I really really hope to address that issue and I know that our education secretary is excellent and I know that our schools are again excellent I'm just so the system myself and I do genuinely believe that our education system is something for us to be proud of. Well I think there is new and new figures due to be published this year they may have already been published so I may be going on old ones but certainly from 2006 right through to 2019 when there simply because you've been in power for most of that time that would not be encouraging So Ok so you clearly believe there should be a 2nd independence referendum that this sense of referendum election fatigue amongst people generally think it's a vote winner in Scotland of course I do and I mean polling seems to indicate there's no vote in economics so I think that we need to keep working we need to get more people inside because people look at what's happening with bricks it's forced them to pay attention to politics they look at what's happening to you know Westminster is just a bunch of elitist people shoving each other I think I do feel like the u.k. Is going down a very very dangerous path and it's not going to be resolved quickly this is going to be off for generations and I don't want to be part of the u.k. And the current state as I don't see how we get back from it. Do you think Westminster would allow a 2nd independence referendum referendum especially if Boris Johnson wins the next general I almost feel like an idiot asking this question you know the answer to it don't we do you think I would. And in democracy politicians never stand in the way the people. At the death and the mentors there and the mandates they had then. They would have to give us a right to choose to believe in respecting the result of the referendum Oh yeah because Scotland for you to remain right I do respect that but as part of a United Kingdom that's true but that doesn't mean it's called his voice can just be ignored interposed the 14 we were told to you Kate not leave the u.k. Until we just agree and then we just have to go along with whatever a majority of people in England or Wales has to eat so this is this is I guess one of the big. Mechanisms that the s.n.p. Is going to use to try and persuade people in Scotland to vote for a 2nd referendum that Scotland voted to remain we have or because it's true an article of people of Scotland are really really angry at what's been happening this isn't in our name the attitude of Boris of the Conservative Party Westminster it's been nothing short of disgraceful they've made people from the e.u. His came here to live here work here their entire lives feel like they don't belong here anymore yeah it's not right. Imagine if the u.k. Left the left the u.k. Rejoin the e.u. And this is a big question because I'm not sure how many people feel about it and 2016 what would happen at the border. Well whilst Scotland was able to you Can the e.u. I don't see why there would have to be borders this will all be up to negotiations you can remember it won't just be yes all borders go up there will be negotiations I mean you know the whole thing well we know that's worked out when it comes. To violence you know what I mean I think in but for the last 3 years yeah of course it is a very unique a shill. So you feel that the Scottish people to be quite interesting actually for some while Scottish listeners to text in the night 5 o 5 and tell us their thoughts on this that you think the Scottish people are swinging round to the idea of having this referendum well as well that you know I'm going to have to interrupt you both of your own children at least because you're also going to want to hear this the leader of the s.n.p. And of course 1st ministers go to Nicolas sturgeon is now taking to the stage at their annual conference in Aberdeen and he's about to speak over to Nicholas thank . You. If you're sitting comfortably. Conference I want to talk to you to d. Abate 2 futures abates a choice of 2 futures for our country and for what don't you know there are times in his study when fundamental decisions have to be meet decisions Hadeed by our values and by our hopes for future generations choice seats that involve standing up for what is right. This is such a moment. Politics today is dominated in too many countries by strongman leaders with inflated egos and I look over being sense of entitlement. Thank you came as a prime minister who has acted unlawfully he cares nothing nothing for the human consequences of his disastrous breaks policy. Indeed virtually every d. Since he entered doning street Boris Johnson has demonstrated on every level that he is totally fit for the office he holds Thanks . And across the Atlantic. 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