Trying to make architecture relevant. I hold the work up the highest standards. Thats a given. But, for me, even the highest standards are irrelevant if it doesnt connect to this central issue of people, geography, and histories. Born in tanzania to ghanaian parents, his multinational upbringing inspires his work as an architect. But hes has little in the way of formal training. When i did my research into how architecture was being taught at that time, and what the big voices were, i found that i just disagreed. Because i felt that the discussion had become very formal. Had become about architects navalgazing, in a way. Adjayes brother, who was hit with an illness that left him disabled, has inspired his creations. Public space was, was curated, as it were, to literally use that word curated for ablebodied people. Or for a sort of image of a certain citizenry. Which i think maybe mattered several hundred years ago. But seemed grossly, just difficult for me. And now as a new father, hes obsessed with another design. The baby bjorn, which ive given [laughs] a lot of attention to. Men have a lot of difficulty Holding Children [laughs]. I spoke to david adjaye in washington, d. C. There is a lot of racial tension in america right now. How do you integrate past, present, and future into your designs, like the one for the smithsonians museum of African American history . Its amazing that architecture can start to negotiate some of these things. And i believe that for architecture to be emotionally relevant to people, that there has to be a connection and there has to be a relationship, that architecture cannot be autonomous. If its not connected to the lives of people, the histories of people, i think theres a problem. Youve got 400 years worth of history that you have to put into this building . How do you how do you do that . How do you decide what story it is that youre going tell . Well, i think that you look for important flash points in the story, that have a very powerful resonance. So, for instance, just looking back at the history, thinking about the great artistic periods of west africa. The yoruba were one of the great kingdoms of that time. And looking at what would have been iconographic to people of that time, or what would have been special, or the magical thing, the temples of that time. So, we try to imagine that. We looked at the agrarian past of slavery, and the architecture of slavery. And the architecture of slave houses. But we also looked at the work of slaves that were freed just after the emancipation. Some of the kinda First Industries that slaves went into was the army, of course. Because that was part of lincolns agenda. But it was the army, it was carpentry, and it was metal work. Because they were actually trained to be part of the infrastructure. I wanted to look at that. Because in a way i wanted to also talk about a history of building within the African American community. That was important that they werent just, you know, crop sharers, or crop pickers. They were also people that were building and making america. And i wanted to speak to that. I was actually down Walking Around the property yesterday, and its almost an inversion of a typical building. Exactly. It sort of opens itself up. And it reveals itself. But it also kind of moves upward. But what its doing is that its referring to a few things. Its referring to washingtons monument. The sort of obelisk in the center of the monumental sort of master plan of the core of washington. The pyramid at the top. Its an inversion of that pyramid. And its exactly the same angel as that pyramid. So, visually they come into alignment, almost like two sort of planetary bodies. But also its referring to a yoruba sculpture, which was about the column, the capitol columns of shrine houses. In a way im sort of speaking about an ancestral memory of something, and a contemporary memory of something. You said the spirit behind the design was praise. How do you design praise . Praise is about a kind of understanding the nature of form, and the way in which form kind of makes us understand things that are upwardly uplifting, or things that make us inward. And i think form does do that. And i think we looked at thousands of images of people in the state of happiness, or state of praise. And ironically their hands were up in a v shape most of the time or, their hands were halfway up in a v shape. But it was really interesting to us. It was across cultures, too. What about meaning behind the materials that you chose . Yes. The materials were very important. I wanted to speak about permanence, but also about the way in which precious artifacts are celebrated in art. Bronze was a very important material from the classical world, because its the material that lasts through the ages. It lasts longer than us. Its an inert material that doesnt pass away. And i wanted to speak to that. Because, also, the building is by the washington monument, which is a piece of art. And its sort of sandwiched between that monument and the buildings. Its a building which is between sculpture and architecture. Its a sort of at a junction, a threshold. Its like a fullstop, which is neither one or the other, but signaling both sides. I wanted to also use a different material to the materials that are on the mall, which are predominantly stone. You won an international competition. Yes. To build this building. Yes. What was your pitch . The pitch was this is a building about praise. This is not a building about something thats a sorrow. It is a terrible story. But it also is a story of incredible resilience and hope. We said that we wanted to make a building that encapsulated that and moved forward. And it wasnt a building that was trying to just freeze any part of that story. Its a 500 million budget. It is the one edifice in america that is really going to be looked at as defining of African American history. So much wrapped into all of this. What were the emotions you were feeling when you realized you won . Well, i think when we got the phone call, when i got the phone call, i couldnt quite believe it. I think my feet literally probably came off the ground. It was extraordinary, because as an architect, in a way, this is what we dream about. This is actually the thing we most love. And in architecture its very difficult to get to that moment. You know, you do lots of commercial work, and things like that. But its very, very rare that you have a moment where a charged, political and social opportunity occurs in architecture, and you have such a site. Which can define a whole way, some topic is viewed. That really was, for me, the game changer. I suddenly realized, oh my god, this is, this is no longer a rehearsal. This is the real thing. The smithsonian defines its buildings as places where the world comes to learn about america. What is the world going to learn after moving through your museum . I think that what the world will see is that the African American story is not a footnote, but probably the lens to really understand america, to this day. I mean, i dont know about america in the future. But i think that the African American experience has been part of the commercial success of america. But also the extraordinary progress and modernity of america in terms of its laws, its understanding. That even though this has been seen as a bit of an evil, its also been an extraordinary sort of refiner of an important, you know, the most important superpower in the world. The kind of leader of the world. To really show the world about how struggle can also create emancipations. And i think that that is central to what this building is trying to say. Still ahead on talk to al jazeera. He was commissioned to design a pediatric cancer center. David adjaye talks about his work in rwanda, stay with us. These people have decided that today they will be arrested. I know that im being surveilled. People are not getting the care that they need. This is a crime against humanity. Hands up. Dont shoot. Hands up. Dont shoot. What do we want . Justice. When do we want it . Now. Explosions going on. Were not quite sure is that an i. E. D. . Im Lisa Fletcher and this is talk to al jazeera. My guest this week is the architect designing the National Museum of African American history and culture, david adjaye. Most architects spend years, and years pursuing a degree. You have one year of formal architectural training. What do you think. You did your research. Busted well, its very interesting, though. What gave you the courage to just carve your own path like that . When i started, i was extremely scared about the whole thing. But i was also incredibly inspired by this thing. When i did my research into how architecture was being taught at that time, and what the big voices were, i found that i just disagreed. And i didnt have empathy with the discussion. Because i felt that the discussion had become very formal. Had become about architects navalgazing, in a way. And kinda debating the style of something, versus the style of something else. I wanted to find a path that engaged more with what the world was, and what people were doing. So, i found that i had to kind of carve my own path. Thats the path i took. When you were a boy living in ghana your brother emmanuel fell very ill. And youve said that was a real turning point for you. Can you talk about how that not only shape do you personally and emotionally, but professionally . Emmanuel sort of becoming mentally and physically handicapped was a dramatic moment in my family. But it was also a kind of moment of consciousness, i think, for a very young family. For me it was a consciousness about the fragility of life and the enjoyment of that. But also it awoken in me a consciousness about the built environment. Because i was very much wanted to participate in looking after him. I was very close to him. And i wanted to kind of take him to school, and be part of it. Whatever i could, et cetera. I was just increasingly appalled by the environments that i saw disability occupy. The inequality of public space . Completely. That in a sense public space was curated, as it were, to literally use that word curated, for ablebodied people. Or for a sort of image of a certain citizenry. Which i think maybe mattered several hundred years ago. But seemed grossly just difficult for me. And i found it problematic that, you know, architecture was about stairs, and hierarchy, and all these things. For me it needed to be about people. All walks of life, all their narratives, all their stories. And it needed to keep adding that story to the history of the world. Because, in a way, literature records our lives, but architecture also does. You think thats one of the things that distinguishes you from most other architects, in that its always, for you, about the people, and the geography, and the emotion. Is it one of the reasons that youve rejected this idea of having a signature style on everything . Yes. I think that that is the thing that people gravitate towards. Yes, i hold the work up the highest standards. Thats a given. But, for me, even the highest standards are irrelevant if it doesnt connect to this central issue of people, geography, and histories. You were born in tanzania. Yes. You lived abroad until you were a teenager. Whats your relationship with africa, and then how does that influence your work . I was lucky that my father was the first generation of diplomats from ghana. Ghana was the first country to gain independence in the 20th century. I was lucky enough to be the kid that he wanted to take with him. So, we traveled a lot. But actually i thank my father each day for giving me that incredible exposure. Because, you know, by the time i was 14, when i came to england i had a very kind of plural sense of the world, and all the kind of differences it had from different religions, cultures, spaces, climates, temperatures. It was all very clear. And you went back to africa as an adult. And you went to every country . I went to every country except somalia, because of the war. Im still desperate to go to somalia. I wanted to go to every single country on my own. I just wanted to discover, i didnt quite backpack. I flew, and taxied, and did my own thing. But i never wanted to go formally to any of these countries. I wanted to discover it for myself. Because, in a way, the continent is such a big thing. And its always spoken about and referred to. And i certainly realize that even myself, who had been to the continent and came from the continent, probably only really knew about half a dozen countries intimately. And there are 54. So, i just wanted to kind of really, you know, when i say africa, i wanted to know what i meant by that. You are working on projects in africa. You have communities that are one foot in the rural, and one foot in the urban. Absolutely. And its so different from london, or from the united states. Yeah. No, its interesting. You know, thats the defining thing about africa. People dont disconnect from the rural to the city. You have both. And, in fact, your identities are enforced by that kind of dialectic of moving between these two worlds. But i actually find working in africa incredibly clear, because also the geography is very particular. Its almost stratified. And its not complex geography. Its particular extreme geographies, from forest to deserts. But also the cultures that have evolved on those terrains are very precise. And its one is able to really dive into them. So, i think that that, for me, is Fertile Ground for architecture. You just unveiled, in fact, designs for a Childrens Cancer hospital in rwanda. Yes. When i was approached a few years ago by the charity that are putting this together. The ambassador to rwanda, eugene gasana, set up this foundation, and to start this project. And when he approached me, and i incredibly moved. But what was even more sad for me was that i realized that we did the research and there was not a single Cancer Treatment center on the continent. There was not a single. On the continent . On the continent. That was astonishing. And actually shocking. So a Childrens Cancer research center. You had to go outside of the continent to do it. And i was shocked by that. So, rwanda becomes very important because its more or less the center of the continent. And it kind of allows an opportunity from east west, north south to kind of have a central place. I hope that this is the first of many. But also its the first which is both a teacher. Its a training center, as well as a Cancer Hospital for children. And i wanted it to be very much a beacon. Hospitals are incredible pieces of infrastructure. And they can just be just things that are there. Usually not very pretty, hospitals. Theyre usually big, bulky, and quite ugly. But theyre so important that we kind of forgive them their form. Because they just have to be there. When a hospital is both functional and beautiful, it does a lot. It does a lot. Because i totally believe that wellbeing is also about changing the state of mind of the person that needs to be cured. You made a name for yourself building in londons east end. For artists, for celebrities. But then you turned that success and used it to help the less fortunate. Do you feel a moral obligation to use your talents to do good things in the world . I guess im just more fulfilled when i do. Its a personal passion that i think my mother taught me. And thats something that is in me. I think that the skills that one has are about the empowerment and the betterment of other people. Because i think other peoples empowerment and betterment makes a better world for me, and makes a better world for the people my children, and i can now say children, amazing. Congratulations on that. Have you ever had the opportunity, though, to see people experience your architecture for the first time . In a civic setting . Like, in a library . In a poor section of town . Oh yeah. Whats that like . No, no, no. Im the stalker of my own buildings. One of the few times you can use that word safely, i think. Im usually, i think the first public building i built, which was the idea store library. I went and sat in the corner when it was opened. And there was a queue and these kids rushed in and just started using the building as though they kind of knew it. And one the biggest shock was seeing how the public is able to assimilate something that they feel very kind of excited and comfortable with. I was, like, this building has been in my head, its been on drawing boards. Theyve never seen it. How do they know how to use this building so well . And that was really beautiful. And, of course, theres, you know, lots of things reasons for that. But then, you know, i started seeing people, when id go back id see people sort of meeting, having dates being intimate, or being studious. Or having arguments. And i dont know, when architectures alive like that, its, for me, the best. I mean, i kind of i can practically well up, its kind of a bit weird. But i really find it very, very powerful and moving. Youve created an Affordable Housing project in harlem. Talk to me about sugar hill. Sugar hill is really important to me, because its my first largescale housing project. That my first largescale project for housing was for the homeless. Those who have the least opportunity. It was about bringing design to this community, and not to patronize this community. Not to demean or to say that they dont have the ability to understand you know, things that i would offer to the most elite person that i met. Can an architectural project be transformative to a community . I believe that it always is. I think architectures primary role is to be transformative. To shift the paradigm, and to emanate, i always say, to emanate new publics. Meaning, to emanate a new nature in people. A building can change the way a new library coming into a community that had nothing, that maybe just had, you know, pound stores, et cetera, and rundown spaces will empower a young bunch of kids to hold their bags up high, to hold their books. To go into that place, and to want to study. If that building shows is a beacon of something new, something that is forwardlooking. It transforms. And it will empower the families around that community. It will empower the mothers, it will make them put their kids there. It does incredible things. And its just this idea of making physical things that inspire. Is it too dramatic to say it can inspire a social change . I think it inspires social change in a different way. Thats such a strong statement for me. But i think it does inspire social change. I think that actually, no, let me just be absolutely upfront about it. I think architecture shapes the society that we have. Our modernity shapes through architecture, ironically. And we sometimes undervalue it. We underplay it. And i think we underplay it to our own expense. Because, really, it is the force that actually kind of makes the glue that sometimes helps society kind of understand things. It creates the porosities, or the hierarchies, or the connections. I mean, architecture can either create reinforce elitism, or create egalitarianism. It can create opportunity, you know by how you celebrate places where the least have. To, you know, and i think these things affect, absolutely affect, the way in which we live in the world and the people that live in the world. Just after the break, David Adjayes thoughts on being a new father and the project that he says is the best reflection of him. This is talk to al jazeera. More in a minute. This is Al Jazeera America live from new york. At 7 00 news roundup. Tony harris gives you a fastpaced recap of the days events. This is the first line of defense. We have an exclusive story tonight. Then at 8 00 John Seigenthaler brings you the top stories from across america. The question is, will these dams hold . And at 9 00 im ali velshi, on target tonight. Ali velshi on target. Digging deeper into the issues that matter. Im trying to get a sense for what iranians are feeling. We always have strikes. People should never be alarmed. What started as a peaceful protest. Police seem to stick to the selfdefense story. Became a horrific moment in South African history. I dont think any organization in this country could ever anticipate this type of violence. What really happened that tragic day. It is the time to point a finger at those whose fingers pulled the trigger. Youre watching talk to al jazeera with me, Lisa Fletcher. Im speaking this week with a leading architect of his generation david adjaye. Whats it like for a building to come to life . Like, what is that process for you . It starts with an abstract thought. Its almost silent. Its not in color, as it were. Its a series of shapes, and forms, and feelings. Its about, you know, dividing between darkness and light. About materiality, and space. So, its actually a very abstract conceptual forming. Is it a notepad on the side of the bed . Is it a moment brushing your teeth . No. Its never brushing my teeth. Thats when i try to empty things out of my mouth it is very much a notepad by the side of my bed. Im a morning person. I think when my brain is finally kind of compressed information, in the morning i have bursts of creative sort of impulses, and thoughts, so. Youve got some 24 projects going on around the globe. Youre a busy guy. But i want to talk about your office. Because i hear its a mess. Whats the deal . I dont believe the myth that an architects tables should be clean, and blank. Well, from what i hear yours is nowhere near clean and blank. No. My office is full of things. A bit of a magpie for culture. I collect things from round the world. And i like what i call the provenance of those objects to be near me. So, i dont like to put them away. I want to see the sculpture. I want that piece of stone that i took from egypt. I want that sand that i took from. I want that incredible piece of jewelry that i found in dubai. I want them around me, you know . Because youre a hoarder . Or because you draw inspiration from some of these things . I think i draw inspiration from them. I may be a little bit of a hoarder. I dont know. I think my wife would probably say i am a little bit of a hoarder. Speaking of your wife. Yes. You have a little boy now. Yes, we do. We have an amazing son, qualme, who i love dearly. We love dearly. So, i understand theres one design item that youre absolutely obsessed with right now. Yes, ive become a baby person. And the baby bjorn. The baby bjorn, ive given a lot of attention to. You know, its amazing because i think that, actually, men have a lot of difficulty Holding Children. Ya think . Youre gonna break the baby . We dont understand it. The baby bjorn is really great. I think it understood when you see, like, in west africa, or anywhere around the world, the way babies are tied to the bodies of human beings, like india, or wherever else. And in a way, to find a way that can be a kind of gender neutral way to tie the body of a baby to your body, i think is finally giving people like me, anyway an amazing opportunity to just, you know, fuse with your child in a way that i really love. So, i just love having my boy next to my chest. Its kind of amazing. Of all of the work youve done, the Nobel Peace Center in oslo. Youve got the smithsonians African American museum. Youve got the harlem housing project. Youve got the Childrens Cancer center in rwanda. If i was going to look to one of those to see the largest expression of David Adjayes heart and soul, which project would it be . I always dont like to choose. Because i think that they all are a constellation that kind of gives you a clue. But, i mean, i think that the smithsonian is undoubtedly, probably something that just doesnt happen often in ones lifetime. So, in it is probably the thesis that ive been speaking about is probably absolutely encapsulated in that building. So, if you had to see one, i would say, go see that one. But go see the others, too. David, thank you. Thank you. Every monday night. I lived that character. Go one on one with americas movers and shakers. We will be able to see change. Gripping. Inspiring. Entertaining. No topic off limits. cause im like, dad, there are hookers in this house. Exclusive conversations you wont find anywhere else. These are very vivid, human stories. If you have an agenda with people, you sometimes dont see the truth. Talk to al jazeera. Monday, 6 00 eastern. Only on Al Jazeera America. Today the attacks in paris launch a debate over refugees coming to america. What is the u. S. 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