Matter what gender they are. Davis nonprofit matter what gender they are. Davis Nonprofit Organization has the Largest Organization has the largest body of data on the subject, and body of data on the subject, and shes using research, education shes using research, education and advocacy to reduce and advocacy to reduce stereotyping in media that targets children. Stereotyping in media that targets children. We have to get over this idea we have to get over this idea that women need to be sexy. That women need to be sexy. Davis also talks about her davis also talks about her iconic role as one of two women iconic role as one of two women on the run after the murder of a on the run after the murder of a man who tried to rape her. Man who tried to rape her. The film, of course, the film, of course, thelma and louise. Thelma and louise. When we were shooting the when we were shooting the scene with brad and i, there is scene with brad and i, there is a shot of him standing up a shot of him standing up without his shirt on and he had without his shirt on and he had that incredible stomach. That incredible stomach. And he was personally spraying and he was personally spraying evian on his body. Evian on his body. And the actor who broke and the actor who broke ground as commander in chief on ground as commander in chief on television talks about what is next. Television talks about what is after the president , where do next. After the president , where do you go from there . You go from there . Geena davis is an official partner of u. N. Women. Geena davis is an official partner of u. N. Women. I spoke to her when she was in i spoke to her when she was in new york working on empowering women around the world. New york working on empowering women around the world. You have an entire institute you have an entire institute in your name that studies gender roles in media. In your name that studies gender roles in media. What led you to this . What led you to this . Well, well, the final impetus was the final impetus was my daughter. My daughter. When she was a toddler i started when she was a toddler i started watching preschool shows and watching preschool shows and kids movies with her. Kids movies with her. Think because of some of the think because of some of the roles that i played that spoke roles that i played that spoke to women a little bit i had a to women a little bit i had a heightened awareness of how heightened awareness of how women are women are portrayed in the portrayed in the media, so i immediately noticed media, so i immediately noticed that there seemed to be far that there seemed to be far fewer female characters than fewer female characters than male characters male characters that was made that was made for kids. For kids. I couldnt believe it in the i couldnt believe it in the 21st therapy i thought we should 21st therapy i thought we should be showing kids boys and girls be showing kids boys and girls sharing the sandbox equally. Sharing the sandbox equally. I didnt intend to create an i didnt intend to create an institute around t but i found institute around t but i found that nobody else seems to be that nobody else seems to be noticing, none of my friends noticing, none of my friends seemed to be noticing how few female characters until i pointed it out. Seemed to be noticing how few female characters until i in the industry, if i had pointed it out. In the industry, if i had meetings with the studio meetings with the studio executives or Something Like executives or Something Like that, i would ask have you ever that, i would ask have you ever noticed how few female noticed how few female characters there are in media characters there are in media made for kids . Made for kids . To a person they said, oh, no, to a person they said, oh, no, no, no thats been fixed. No, no thats been fixed. Then they would name a movie then they would name a movie with usually with one female with usually with one female character in it as proof that character in it as proof that gender inequality had been fixed. Gender inequality had been fixed. So it seemed to me that nobody so it seemed to me that nobody much was picking up on what i much was picking up on what i thought i was picking up. Thought i was picking up. I didnt run into anybody who i didnt run into anybody who said i know, i know, i noticed. Said i know, i know, i noticed. Your institute set out to your institute set out to quantify and gather the data quantify and gather the data and was recently commissioned and was recently commissioned with the u. N. To do the first with the u. N. To do the first global study on gender roles in global study on gender roles in popular films in other countries. Right. Popular films in other countries. Right. What were the major findings what were the major findings from this study . From this study . Well, unfortunately the well, unfortunately the global perspective is not much global perspective is not much different than what it is in the United States. Different than what it is in the United States. Were not doing a good job at were not doing a good job at all here in the states. All here in the states. There is far more male there is far more male characters than female characters than female characters. Characters. The female characters very often the female characters very often dont have jobs or dont have dont have jobs or dont have much to do in the plot very much to do in the plot very often either the girlfriend of often either the girlfriend of the star or serving the function the star or serving the function of eye candy. Of eye candy. Merely there for decoration. Merely there for decoration. Merely there for decoration yes, thats right. Merely there for decoration yes, thats right. So the picture is not great in so the picture is not great in the United States and the whole the United States and the whole purpose of doing this study is purpose of doing this study is partly because everybody was partly because everybody was saying, well, is it the same way saying, well, is it the same way around the world . Around the world . Partly because we just wanted to partly because we just wanted to know is anybody doing this know is anybody doing this better . Better . We found that thats not really the case. We found that thats not really the case. Is it because hollywood has is it because hollywood has the impact on Movie Industries the impact on Movie Industries in other countries . It could be. In other countries . It could be. We were lookingin the global we were lookingin the global study we were looking at study we were looking at productions that were productions that were exclusively made in that territory. Exclusively made in that territory. In other words, not what theyre watching because 80 of the in other words, not what theyre watching because 80 of the media consumed globally is made in the United States. Media consumed globally is made in the United States. But what that particular but what that particular territory was making themselves. Territory was making themselves. And it could very well be. And it could very well be. When you consider the amount of when you consider the amount of media made in the states thats consumed around the world it media made in the states thats consumed around the world it could very well be that their could very well be that their own media is impacted by the own media is impacted by the kinds of media that they see. Kinds of media that they see. But there is less hyper but there is less hyper sexuality in many of the countries. Sexuality in many of the countries. You did look at what type of you did look at what type of work, for example, women did. Work, for example, women did. You seem very passionate about you seem very passionate about seeing women in roles where seeing women in roles where theyre doing the science, the technology, the engineering and the math. Theyre doing the science, the technology, the engineering and the math. It was quite startling it was quite startling according to this research, what according to this research, what you found. You found. Yes, its pretty much like in yes, its pretty much like in the United States, very few women the United States, very few women or female characters are or female characters are seen in answer of those positions. Seen in answer of those positions. Thats one of the main areas thats one of the main areas that we want to get more women that we want to get more women and girls interested in. And girls interested in. We need many more people to we need many more people to pursue those kinds of occupations, but people arent pursue those kinds of occupations, but people arent seeing that to model themselves after. Seeing that to model themselves after. There arent many there arent many reallife role reallife role models in those fields, and models in those fields, and theyre not seeing them on television. Theyre not seeing them on television. Talk about the hyper talk about the hyper sexuality that you were sexuality that you were observing. Observing. How far important was it to you how far important was it to you to see how thin the women were to see how thin the women were or how much clothing they were wearing . Or how much clothing they were wearing . I think its incredibly i think its incredibly important not to sexualize the important not to sexualize the female characters in female characters in entertainment for little kids entertainment for little kids there really is not a good there really is not a good reason that you would. Reason that you would. One disturbing thing that we one disturbing thing that we found in the United States found in the United States research in grated animated movies female characters wear research in grated animated movies female characters wear the same amount of the same amount of sexuallyrelated clothing as in rrated movies. Sexuallyrelated clothing as in rrated movies. In grated movies . Yes. In grated movies . Yes. When youre doing research, this when youre doing research, this has a specific meaning, its has a specific meaning, its revealing something, and its revealing something, and its pervasive. Pervasive. So we wanted to look at that globally as well. So we wanted to look at that globally as well. And it turned out that female and it turned out that female characters were twice as likely characters were twice as likely to be shown in sexual situations to be shown in sexual situations and sexually revealing clothing as male characters. And sexually revealing clothing who is to blame . I dont think its as male characters. Who is to blame . I dont think its necessarily that we need to assign blame. Necessarily that we need to assign blame. I think there is a lot of i think there is a lot of unconscience bias. Unconscience bias. I think a lot of this is not i think a lot of this is not consciously known, but because consciously known, but because like in the industry here in the like in the industry here in the states we havent uncovered any states we havent uncovered any plot against women in hollywood. Plot against women in hollywood. There is no conspires. There is no conspires. Hollywood directors, movie hollywood directors, movie studios putting women in hyper sexualized roles. Or leaving them out. They sincerely didnt know they were missing. This is a very tiny example but from a movie that i was. In Stuart Little there is a scene with Remote Control boats. I was watching one day, and the assistant director was taking little boys from the crowd of extras and giving them the remote and having them sit down. Then he gave them to little boys to sit down and then picked little girls to stand behind the boys cheering them on. I noticed what he was doing. I said, hey, do you think we could give half of the row notes to girls instead . He was like, yes. Yes. He was so upset that he hadnt thought of it. It seems so obvious. But thats what happening. People dont think about it. We bring it to their attention so the next timethe next time that person shoots a scene hes going to think, oh, right, i should make sure that im not putting all men. Fair enough when it comes to just the shear number boys roles to girl roles but when it comes to topic of films in hollywood and television who bears responsibility for those portrayals . Well, i think again its partly influenced by tradition that female characters have been seen for decades now as decorative, that they need to be attractive, they need to be sexy. I think people have come to believe that for a female character to be appealing she needs to be thin and beautiful and sexy. So its something that is sort of an enculturation that we have to get over that women, female characters need to be sexy. I cant tell you how many scenes ive seen where in movies where there is a bunch of young, smart computer geniuses, and lets get them all together, and these incredibly nerdy guys, and a super hot blond gorgeous woman but first of all, why respect half of them female, and why arent half of the women looking nerdy, strange, in all different kinds of ways. Its so narrow what writers think that they can create as far as women that there ends up not being more of them. There is fear about making female characters have flaws or seem unattractive. You have a twostep remedy, i understand, to adding female characters. Talk about them. One just changing the names in the scripts to female names. Right, thats my big pitch when i go to studios. Im not asking you to make more movies starring a female character. Just put that aside for new. If you do, thats great. Cast me. But in the movies youre already going to make, just before you cast it, just stop and say, who can become female . So that you can very easily increase the population of family characters by crossing out a few of the first names and putting in a female name instead. Unless a character is having sex with somebody else in the movie, most times it doesnt matter what gender they are, and people arent thinking, hey, why dont i make the general a woman . Why dont i make the ceo a wom woman. Doesnt that show how far we have come as a society that a woman with convincingly play a general or president , as you did. Right, exactly. Its thoroughly believable. All we have to do now is to actually do it instead of always going to default, which is male. That is one way to very easily increase the percentage of female characters. The other is because crowd scenes the percentage of women in crowd scenes in movies is 17 . In any given crowd scene. In any given crowd scene in live action or animated, 17 . I cant explain how that happens, but the other suggestion i give is have them write in the script a crowd gathers, comma, which is half female. Then whoever cast the extras will get half of them female. Right. Now as an actress youve played untraditional female roles in thelma and louise. In a league of their own. When you portrayed the president of the United States. Behind the scenes when you were playing those characters did you feel as empowered as the character you were playing . Thats an interesting question. Well thelma and louise really surprised us. Nobody involved in the movie whatsoever had any idea it would strike a nerve the way it did. It was 20something years ago, you may not remember. I remember. It was formative for me. Yes, right, not only was there a big positive reaction among largely women, but there was a very negative reaction in some of the editorials and reviews saying god, this is ruining the world now because women have guns. We should remind viewers who havent seen it, that Susan Sarandons character in the movie shoots a man because hes threatening your character sexually. Yes, he was. He had actually stopped when she shoots him. He had stopped and said something that incenses her so much that she kills him. Yes, there is that bit of violence. Then we kill ourselves at the end, so there is that. But its so profoundly not a violent movie. The reactions are so over the top. When you think about there were three people killed, and two of them were us. You look back on that role as a dream role because of the complexity of the female characters . I do. I wanted that moviei wanted to be in that movie so bad. I actually didnt care which part i played, but it took a year from when i read it until i finally got cast in the part because there were all these different directors, and different actresses attached and it kept falling apart, and falling apart. Then ridley decided to correct it himself, and then to convince him. Does it strike you as ironic that there was a character in that film named brad pitt, who was object ified as a male in perhaps your research observes women being objectified in film . Right, you know, thats interesting because when we were shooting the scene of the bedroom with brad and i, there is a shot of him standing up without his shirt on, and hes got that incredible stomach. Ridcally scott was personally spraying evian on his body to catch the light in the right way. Glistening abs. Im going over there, hi, im the girl. You just assume that if somebody is going to be shot that way its going to be the woman, but it was great. Turn the tables, why not. And it was recently named one of the hollywood reporters top 100 favorite films. And on the cover you and Susan Sarandon recreate that original selfie you took. Where do you rank that film as far as culture and as far as your career . As far as my life it really changed my life. It was very, very impactful on me because it changed how i looked at future parts that i would play, that i wanted tobecause it resonated so much with women, i realized you know, i want to think about what are the women in the audience going to think about the character i play. Not that i wanted to play role models, which i dont like that term at 2058, because i think characters should be flawed, and certainly we holding up drugs sex with strangers, kill ourselves. Geena davis talks about gender equality on screen, and the responsibilities of writers and producers. Were following stories of people who died in the desert. The borderland marathon. No ones prepared for this journey. Experience al jazeera americas critically acclaimed original series from the beginning. Experiencing it has changed me completely. Follow the journey as six americans face the immigration debate up close and personal. Its heartbreaking. Im the enemy. Im really pissed off. All of these people shouldnt be dead. 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