And defeated. Is free of the virus. Main. The governors of new york and new jersey stand by their mandatory quarantine. It is commonsense, we are not moving an inch. Is this about politicians appearing tough at the expense of individuals. A private, blunt memo. Taking exception with the president Obamas Administration own strategy. Regarding syria. This is a complicated issue. Big bang reverberating through the Catholic Church. Pope francis says evolution reflect. The magic religion you say we are part of thats not what we are. Oh, god. N. A. S. A. Officials are trying to figure out what caused an explode. We begin with president obama firing back against states requiring a mandatory quarantine for Health Care Workers returning from west africa. They are doing gods work. They are doing that to keep us safe, and i want to make sure every policy we put in place is supportive of their efforts, because if they are success. We are not going to have to worry about ebola at home. The president was updating u. S. Efforts to fight ebola in africa. The comments were clearly a rebuke to new jersey governor Chris Christie, and governors of other states and declared mandatory 21 day quarantines for those returning from the hot zone. Something the c. D. C. Is not necessarily. Nurse kasi hickox became the first to face quarantine after arriving in new jersey. She denounced the policy. Governor Chris Christie is not backing down. I understand that the c. D. C. Is behind on this. This is commonsense, and the members of the American Public believe it is commonsense. We are not moving an inch. There was good news on tuesday. Nurse amber vinson walked out of emory hospital, ebola free after two weeks of treatment. While this it a day tore celebration and gratitude i ask that we not lose focus on the thousands of families that labour under the burden of the disease in west africa. Vinsons trip on a Melbourne Airline and the case of dr Craig Spencer who went bowling and rode the new york city subway the night before he was diagnosed ignited calls for quarantines. Joining us to discuss the response is a spokesperson from the World Health Organisation who travelled to guinea and sierra leone and witnessed the effort to contain ebola there. Good of you to join us. The World Health Organisation latest situation report says that the number of ebola cases worldwide is believed to be more than 10,000. Health officials predict we could be seeing 10,000 new cases a week by december. Is that the case. I want to clarify one thing. When we talk about the 10,000, its cumulative. Theres not 10,000 people sick with ebola. More than half died. Many of those people survived. We are talking about thousands of cases. But its still awful and its something you dont want to continue. It doesnt only effect the people in the countries, but elsewhere as well. Indeed, if efforts are not ramped up. We could see the numbers. You mention they are calculated based on a number of factors. Its a range of 5,000, perhaps 10,000 per week in the months to come. Its not a prediction. Just a calculation. Its exponential growth compared to what we have seen. Is enough getting done. The u. S. Facilities, and we sent a lot of people over there to help out. Those facilities will have 1700 beds. If we conceivably see thousands of new cases every week, that bucket. I dont think its a drop in the bucket. I think the new facilities opened up is important. The challenge is once they are built, you need to have the Health Care Workers to staff them. Its a big challenge. There are people who are voluntaried. Countries like cuba, which sent Health Care Workers. But you need teams that can manage the Health Care Workers, that have structure in place, take hold and run and manage it. Thats the change that my colleagues are reporting. That you have people who are willing to work, but you need the teams that are used to working and it will make a difference to the people on the ground. You dont need people sick with ebola cared for by family members, thats when one person can infect more than one, two and three people. In the Treatment Centers, theres less of a risk. You need the Health Care Workers, but 450 Health Care Workers are thought to be infected with ebola in west africa. The report says they are infected outside the Treatment Centers. I am not sure i understand that. We are trying to get to the bottom of how the nurses in dallas were infected. In that context, is it hard to get Health Care Workers to go to west africa. I think Health Care Workers by definition have a scientific broach. What you highlighted is approach. What you highlighted is important. Health care workers are not getting sick within the ebola Treatment Centers, where they are treated head to toe. We have seen cases where its happening in the community. Where they are looking after someone after work or a loved one, a family member. Thats where some of the exposure is coming as well. Health care workers look need to look at working conditions, what they can be, but the Treatment Centers are some of the best controlled environment. The issue of how to deal with Health Care Workers returning from west africa is a big issue in the United States, and calls for stringent quarantines which have been criticized because of your concern, the w. H. O. s concern, that if the quarantines are in force, people, when they come back, have to be quarantined for 21 days, that that will stop Health Care Workers from going there. You said and the president of the w. H. O. Said the three countries in west africa need at least 5,000 Health Care Workers more to fight the epidemic. Itted the numbers you. The numbers you look at are around that. 5,000 international workers. You need dozens of thousands, almost 100,000 local Health Care Workers. Thats why the International Community is looking at training up the local workers, those on the ground willing to work, want to work and help their country men in a passionate wait, its a personal decision. Thats a thing. The other thing is the International Community is working on training people up locally. We dont though if quarantines will have a Chilling Effect on the woksers willing to go in. But all the other types of functions or support needed on the ground. Lodgize stirns, those that work message. Its a major effort. Samantha power visited sierra leone, and tweeted do you think well catch up to the train . Thats language that w. H. O. s directorgeneral used for month, the vary us is ahead of virus is ahead of us, we are running after the virus. We felt everything we are putting in place has not gained traction. We are hoping that will happen. We are seeing a ramped up event, the call continuing to go out, and european teams, african teams in negotiations, interested in coming in. It hasnt happened yet. We have to keep that sense of hope. Its the only thing we can do. Of course well win, its a question of when. Lets hope its soon. Efforts. Appreciate you joining us from the w. H. O. Ebola is one of a cascade of International Problems that the president Obama Administration is trying to manage. This week controversys exploded over u. S. Policy in syria and israel. In Public Defense secretary chuck hagel said the strategy is working. Hes reportedly saying Something Different behind the scenes, arguing in a memo that the syria policy is in danger of unraveleling, because its not clear what would happen to Bashar Alassad. He did not address the memo when asked about it in a phomn penh briefing on thursday pentagon briefing on thursday. Its a complicated issue, we are assessing, readapting to the realities of what is the best approach. How we can be most effective. That is a responsibility of any leader. And because we are a significant element of this issue, we owe the president , and we owe the United StatesSecurity Council our best thinking on this. And it has to be honest and direct meanwhile, a report on an anonymous white house source that criticized israeli Prime MinisterBinyamin Netanyahu put defensive. We condemn anybody who uses language such as used in the article, that does not reflect the president , nor me. It is does graceful. Unacceptable damaging and neither president obama nor i i have never heard that word around me in the white house. For more, we joined from washington d. C. From ambassador james who served under obama. And security advisor under george w. Bush and a fellow at the washington sthoout. Ambassador, good to have you on the show. Secretary hagel dodged a question from the New York Times report that he has reservations on the report from syria. He had questions about how Bashar Alassad may benefit from attacks, and added that u. S. Policy supports Bashar Alassad being removed from power. You have been vocal about the administrations problems dealing with syria, but now the secretary of defense doing it, way . I dont think hes doing it in a publicway. There were leeks. For governments to work properly. Secretaries of state have to make points, including criticism of Public Policy without reading about them in the paper. Be that as it is, there are questions about the campaign against i. S. I. S. Are we using the right materials, resources, and what do we do with Bashar Alassad. He mate not be our biggest problem, but is the problem of our allies. Is it evidence, split between the defense dont and the white house, the state department and the white house, because we see an ongoing issue with messaging coming out of the white house, and the two secretaries and their departments over the past few weeks. Theres no problem with differences of opinion between the white house and one or other agencies. I see that all the time. You have to work through them. What concerns is us disagreements over basic policy. We should use american Ground Troops to fight i. S. I. S. The president opted not to. Its understandable. Even if i think its wrong. To decide that our policy is to destroy i. S. I. S. , but to use an air power only strategy, without putting in some ground of observers and trainers basically is undercutting policy of not going to ground troop. I suppose the inconsistent sis are leading to a lot of deficiencies of what we see, going beyond what we sense in trying to find out what is going on in the white house, and stretry of state and defenses minds. If you see the reports and rumours that the president is looking to shake things up, but many point to a problem at the white house, something that we have discussed, that there is topdown management, that the president relies on close advisors at the white house, and is not paying attention to people at state and defense. I think president obama is a strong leader. Hell surround himself with people that will serve his interests and do his bidding. The problem is president obamas philosophy. He doesnt thing there are military answers to problems that confront us in the world, and would like to do other things than what he needs to do in the middle east or ukraine. I think hes fundamentally wrong, and i dont thing it can be fixed by Better Communications in the communication, or this or that western week shifted. President blumenthal said the president may better be served by replacements. Will be see a shake up . You may get a shakeup as a reaction to news reports and popular unhappiness, that will be manniest, just as we saw reaction to i. S. I. S. s extraordinary remains. Will he many it . If the shakeup and personnel as we saw with the president , cams with a shakeup in policies, theyll see a different white house and policy to what we have done now. Lets shift gears to israel, and the white house in damage control over comments made about Prime MinisterBinyamin Netanyahu. Calling him a chicken expletive, calling him a coward. And we had the defence minister in the u. S. , apparently not able to have the meetings he wanted. How big of a split is there aviv. Its sewers, and importantly, its personnel. The charges have no place in dip loam as si. Its lom cynical, machiavellian effort to try to promote your National Interests while giving the other guy some of his or her natural interests. And this is what we are not doing with Binyamin Netanyahu. He is a leader of israel. Hes been reelected several times. We have to deal with him if we are serious about running a global policy. Are we serious. If we are, you hold your nose and deal with other leaders. If its not important. You can have personal crunch. Will there be fall out this . I think israelis are very concerned about this. Their security is in the hands of america, ultimately, and their own. I think they are troubled by this. This is not a good thing. Israel will not change its policies, it does what it does because it believes its going the right thing. Well have to figure out what we need from israel, what we want to do with israel and change the tone. Ambassador james jeffrey, good to have you with us. Thank you. Turning now to the pope he was chosen to lead the Catholic Church less than two years ago. As pope francis he led a revolution, his statements on the poor, homosexuals, divorced, catholics, sex abuse scandal and evolution have been received warmly outside the church, but not necessarily on the inside. A correspondent from a main newspaper and author of pope francis, life and revolution, joins us in new york. A pleasure to have you with us. Thank you. You were a friend of his. He called you within 12 hours of being named pope, and two hours later on your birthday. He has been criticized by some for calling people, paying his own bills, living simply, not in the papal palaces. You came up with a wonderful expression to criticize his critics, that its the scandal of normality. Has he remained normal now that papacy. Absolutely. He is someone with the foot on the ground. He is authentic. For that reason, people love him, because he is someone that has a message to say, a method that goes beyond the kath like church catholic, and a method that reaches muslim, jews, buddhists and a message that reach more the noncatholics than catholics, and this is big since the first moment he was elected. He has an ability to connect with people. The famous words, never before a hope has started his suspicions. Saying good evening to people. Expression. Instead of a blessing or whatever. And since the first coming out, he didnt have the golderb the golden uponivic, he wanted to stay with the silver cross. As a friend of his, did he want to be pope . Of course. He was ready to retire, doing the book that i did. He is so organised and really he already had a place where to go and retire, a home for elderly priests. He had the room number, number 13. And he was ready to retire and also when he was asked some months after being elected by a little girl, did you want to be a pope. He said someone must be totally crazy to want to be a pope. Is he happy being hope . If you see him, on wednesday, in general orders, you see a happy manful when i meet argentinian priests and see him, and then i ask them how did you find the pope . How do you find padre. They would say as he would have always been a pope. He has an inner peace. Hes totally serene, and this is the difference with benedict. I say benedict started the revolution, stepping down and decided i arrived here, and i step down. But here we have a man of government, a man that is using all his life to have a position. Power. And facing a lot of difficulties, and nose how to navigate. He faces a lot of difficulties, he comes to a church with all sorts of scandals, the corruption scandal. The vatican leaks problem. He has had to go in and make serious reforms that has not made him that popular among some of the churchs hierarchy. In a sense he has the mandate of the cardinals. In the preconclave meeting they want someone to face the problems, the scandal of paedophilia, a bank accused of money laundering, a vatican that stole documents. They wanted someone to do the cleanup that he is doing. How is he being received when the churchs established. Some call him a dema going, a pol u lift. Some are not happy, dont like that hes not living in the papal apartments and would like the more formal tradition. There is resistance. Hes not just challenge the status quo, hes like a tsunami, theres a hope that is a free man that has the courage to do things in a different way. And for instance, as you mentioned. He says i want elsewhere. Do you think hell be a revolutionary pope. He has done things differently and spoke out about a lot of things in ways that other popes have not. I think the revolution already started. We have a church that he wants a church that is not condemning people. He ask. He wants a missionary, merciful church. A merciful church, one this remembers that god had mercy, and that god include everybody, doesn