Quarantine order. Im going to use the legal extent. Im fighting for something more than myself. Its a very private, blunt memi memi memio. Memo. Taking exception with the obama strategy. This is a complicated issue. Pope francis says that evolution and the Big Bang Theory do not conflict. A 29yearold therm nally ill cancer patient. They have enough joy that it time. Four people are dead in a Small Plane Crash in kansas. Its a slam into the time of the building. Fire. We begin in main, where cassie hickox, a nurse that treated ebola patients openly defied the state order that she remain quarantined in her home, by going to a bike ride. Theres no legal action against me, so im free to go on a bike ride. What is the status of the court order, kaci . I dont know, when you find out you tole me. The governor said he would use his full powers to report the quarantine. A poster put up on the website said droplets from disease could spread ebola. It could only be infected by bodily fluids. The fact sheet is being updated, its unavailable. We called the c. D. C. And told us there was no comment. A senior associate for medical facilities. A think tank. Good to see you. Lets begin with the c. D. C. Stuff. For weeks, as i said. We heard that the science is clear, and this poster on the website that said ebola could be spread. What is going on . The first is we need to decipher. Droplets mean things that go three feet. The other thing is that snooez is not part of the consternation of symptoms. Only about 2030 were caught. People are not going to be around sneezing. If you are sneezed on. Most likely youll be someone in personal protective equipment, because sneezing happens early. Because all of the patients are under active monitoring. Sneezing is a bodily fluid. Its unlikely to happen. It will be a late symptom. The poster said a person could get infected by touching a surface or anything else that has the virus on it. We know that ebola is not a hardy virus, it cant live out of the body for long, and the body surface for any body fluid that is emanated is potentially infectious for a matter of hours, depending on the environmental conditions. Sneezing is not part of the symptoms with ebola. After everything that we have hear, can you blame americans for overwhelmingly, as polls quarantined. Americans are concerned. We had two Health Care Workers infected. We had to redouble efforts to dampen the panic. Its understandable that americans are worried about conflict. Ebola is not infectious during the incubation period, so quarantining those people doesnt make sense, because they pose no risk. How silly are the quarantines. In most cases people are allowed to visit them. The majority saying Health Workers dont need to be, Health Care Workers with a bunch of people treated. It seems theres no consistency to what is being said. Into we have a patchwork of authority. We a county and states. We have c. D. C. Guidance. Would they stratify people based on their risk. That talks about who needs to be under directive monitoring. Its based on a persons risk. Whether they had a needle stick, taking care of practive equipment. Thats the way to do this. Taking exposure into account, and not doing a blanket quarantined. These blanket quarantines, you can only take them so far. The reality is what about the people who have treated the ebola victims, at the nih or in nebraska. People. We shouldnt quarantine anybody. And the u. S. Hospital personnel are wearing full equipment. There really is no risk. As soon as they developed system, therapist lated and are testing. Theres no reason to do the psycho blanket quarantining. It applies to travellers coming back and Health Care Workers in the United States. Lets talk about a little good news. The number of ebola patients appears to be dropping. New cases have been following there for more than a week. One official said its like saying your pet tiger is under control. You see a new transmission train and numbers go up. Some good news. Sierra leone and guinea the numbers grow at a quick pace. Im optimistic about the liberian numbers. If they are accurate meaning we are cap touring the full scope of the outbreak, its hard to tell. Theres a lag and case discovery problems. We have three different outbreaks in three countries. Some countries will get a handle before others. We have a way to go before getting ahead of the virus. Are enough Health Care Workers getting there. Its slow. There are people getting there. If healthcare workers from the u. S. Face mandatory guarantee teens, they may not want to go. The only way to remain free is to stop it at its source. You have no concern that ebola will get out of control in the United States. No, we rook at a trickle of imported cases so long as it rages in south africa. We have to get the travellers and Health Care Workers out there until it stops. Thank you. Ebola is one of a cascade of international problems. The Obama Administration is trying to manage with degrees of success. Controversy is exploited over u. S. Policy in syria and israel, exposing disagreements. Chuck hagel said the strategy against i. S. I. L. In iraq and syria is working, but is saying Something Different behind the scenes, arguing that it is in danger of unravelling, because its not clear what thu happen to Bashar Alassad. Chuck hagel did not answer question asked about it. This is a complicated issue. We are assessing, reassessing and adapting to the realities of what is the best approach. How we can be most effective. Thats a responsibility of any leader. And because we are significant element of this issue. We owe the president and the United StatesSecurity Council our best thinking on this. It has to be honest and direct. A report on an anonymous white house source that criticized israel yip Prime MinisterBinyamin Netanyahu put the administration on the defensive. We condemn anybody that uses language such as used in the article. It does not reflect the president or me. It is disgraceful, unacceptable, damaging, and i think neither president obama nor i i have never heard that word around me in the white house. For more, we joined by ambassador James Jeffrey who served, and as Deputy National security advisor. He is a fellow at the washington institute. Good to have you on the show. Lets talk about secretary hagel. He dodged the report. He talked about how Bashar Alassad may be benefitting from u. S. Attacks in i. S. I. L. And added that u. S. Policies was removed from power. Youve reported on the show about the problems dealing with syria. Now the secretary of defense doing it in whats come out to be a public way. There were leaks about his private physician. For governments to work properly, they have to make points, including criticisms of policy. Be that as it is, there are Great Questions about major aspects of our campaign. Are we using the right materials, resources, and what do we do with Bashar Alassad. He may not be our biggest problem but is the biggest problems of most of our allies. These are good questions. Is it evidence split between the Defense Department and the white house. We saw an issue with messaging coming out from the white house on the one side, two secretaries and another of occasions. Theres no problem between difference of opinion between the white house and one or other agency. What is concerning us is not just disagreements over basic policy. I think we should use american ground troops. The president opted not to. Its understandable. To decide that our policy is to destroy i. S. I. S. , and to use a strategy without putting if some ground observers basicallily is undercutting ground troops. Few of those inconsistencies go beyond what we sense, rather than finding out what is going on in the white house and secretary of defenses minds. If you see something, maybe white house, that there is topdown management that the president relies on the white house. That it is not paying attention. President obama is a strong leader. He is going to run things himself and surround himself with people, who serve his center has they should. President obama doesnt think theres military answers to problems that confront us in the world, and he has to do other things. I think hes fundamentally wrong. I dont think its something to be fixed by communications. Senator blumenthal is quoted as saying he may be better served by replacement. Do you think therell about a lels . You white get a shakeup in relation to news reports. Just as we sawiess remains. If the shake up and person comes with a shake up in his policies well see a different white house and policy. Now to israel over comments made about Prime MinisterBinyamin Netanyahu, calling him a chicken expletive, calling him an accord. Apparently the defense expert was not able to have the meetings he wanted. How big a split is in between aviv . Its serious put its personnel. These charges have no place in diplomacy. Its almost a mackia vannian effort to promote doctors while giving the other guy some of his or her natural interests. And this is what we are not doing with Binyamin Netanyahu. He is the leader of israel. He has been reincorrected. We have to be able to deal with him if we are serious about running a Social Security policy. That raises a question. You hold your knows. You deal with other leaders, if it is not important, you can have personnel grudge. In. I think the israelis are concerned. The security is in the hands of america and ultimately their own. This is not a good thing. Israel is not going to change its policies. I think well have to figure out what we need from israel. What we want to do from israel and change the tone definitely. Ambassador. Good to have you with us. Thank you. Now for more stories from around the world. We begin in wichita kansas, where a plane crashed shortly after takeoff, killing four people. The poilt was the only pilot was the only person on board the plaftenlt three peoples the building were killed board the plane. Three people were killed, the building collapsed br control. Next to boston, an acting mayor had details. He won the job later that year, and held the office for 20 years. Described as a constant presence in bostons neighbour moods. He was called bold, big heart. He was diagnosed after levering office. He wasp 71 we end in he was 71. We end in hawaii, where a volcano erunderstandings threatens a toubship. It is threatening houses and most of the people who live in the homes have been evacuated. Thats some much what is what happening handwrittened the world. Coming up, jihadi hunters, how average americans obtained intelligence on extremists. A religious revolution of pope francis. Is he facing push back within the church. And harmeli aregawi is tracking the top stories. A twit in the story of a woman who scheduled her death on the weekend rather than struggle through brain 4 pran cancer. Let us know what you think. America votes 2014 midterms its all come down to this. You are going to determine whether im going to be the next senator from iowa the candidates last chance to convince voters theyre the one. They will stop at nothing to get your vote david young, how are you . Run for congress its important to be out here talking to voters director aj schnacks unprecedented series concludes its certainly something that doesnt exist in politics on Television America votes 2014 midterms only on Al Jazeera America were amateur sleuths more aware of the power of the i. S. I. L. Terrorists than u. S. Intelligence agencies. While World Leaders express surprise at the speed and brutality of the terror group as it took over large parts of syria and rick, a new breed of Online Jihadi hunters were ahead of them. Joining us now is a person who covers the middle east and American Foreign policy for the boston globe, and calls us to discuss his column. New efforts tracking extremists, rewriting rules of intelligence in the process. Great to have you with us. Most of the world is surprised by the rise of i. S. I. L. You write that there were ordinary americans coming up with information about the terrorists. How did the world miss i. S. I. L. What happened here was these amateur sleuths. Some were experienced scholars and had other backgrounds. They were paying attention to tweets and facebook posts. Footprints of i. S. I. S. Volunteers. And years before the west picked up on the threat, the amateurs were honoured. As you said. Its relying on information, out in the Public Domain in twitter and facebook. You say in the piece that what they managed to do, how much information implicitly challenges the u. S. Governments claim that only massive secret surveillance can penetrate the jihadi networks. Was there intelligence that was that extents i. What they are able to do is connect the bots using their brains, and a limited amount of data. They didnt need to listen to the cell phone taps. They looked at what was happening, and contextualize it. And figure out that the movement was growing force. One example was when nusra was on the theme. And i. S. I. S. Known to a couple of specialists. These folks who respect from washington. They were able to peace together, often in arabic the debate between recruits in i. S. I. S. Long before journalists like me paid attention, e noticed a score group was quitting base they were weak kneed and flocking to i. S. I. S. It was the kind of thing about being smart. It underscores a failure of the u. S. Intelligence in policy establishment to notice thing going on this plain site. What you are describing is they saw a split twine al qaeda and i. S. I. L. Before anybody else is intensity. One of the real potent thing about i. S. I. S. Is the ability to use messaging, propaganda and ideology, to recruit committed fighters. This is something again that takes place in the open, not in clandestine channels. And my impression is that more of us should rebly kate the message, whether we are journalists or people in the government trying to figure out what is happening in organizations like i. S. I. S. Or al qaeda. They brought up all this information that, again, hadnt been reported on, incluteding information in the coro zone group, which was described as a splinter al qaeda planning on attacks from the west into syria. What did your jihadi hunters found out about them. Did the name exist. The entity dressed up as a hither two unknown group was to all appearances, were members who was involved in planning attacks. We have known about them for years. Its not that they didnt exist, they werent what the government was saying they were. They were the same people we have been hearing about and following and they were put in a big bad woof costume. And was put in place to justify the air strikes, when it was out there to be qualified by people like aaron. They pieced through the u. S. Propa ganda. Identifying the locations of the bomb strikes. This Group Headquarters is in the exact same place as the nusra hurts, that this is what we are talking about. The government didnt want to demad that news already was in the first place. Is this a wakeup call. Not to put so much information on. Groups were engaged in warfare. And reports, we saw reports from hostages. They are managing information with unbelievable precision and focus. Theres almost nothing that comes out from i. S. Not produced by them themselves. There are people not on the payroll of the u. S. Government, not trying to ferret out one tiny aspect. But who are trying to figure out what is happening. So they can be useful at times like today when we try to figure out how many control they have. How powerful are they. How much is it to por stray strectsds and how much should be portray strength and how much should be feared. Its a thoughtprovoking piece. Pleasure to have you with us. Turning to the pope. A man was chosen to leave the Catholic Church. As pope francis his statements on poor, catholics, the Sexual Abuse Scandal had been met warmly outside the church, but not on the inside. We spoke a correspondent for the main vatican news paper. And an author of a book. Pleasure to have you with us. You were a friend of his. He called you within 12 hours later on your birthday. Hes been criticized by some for calling people paying his own bills. You came up with anexpression, that its the scandal of normality. Has he remained that. Yes, he has the foot on the crowned and is authentics, people love him because he has a message bond the Catholic Church and a noted challenging the Catholic Church and reaches muslim, jews, boouddhistbuddhists, more than all kath ol sifts. He was an ability to connect with people. The first never before has a people. Instead of using a formal expression. Or a blessing. And since the first coming out he didnt have the golden uponivica cross, he stayed with his normal silver cross. As a friend of his, did he want to be pope. Of course. He was ready to retire. He was so organised and had a place where to go and retire. A home for elder priests. He had the room number, number 13, and he was ready to retire, and also when he was have asked some months after being elected, did you want to be a pope, he was so spontaneous. Saying someone must have to be pope. Is he happy being pope. If you see him, you know on wednesday. When you see him, you see a happy man. When i meet the argentinian prison, argentinian, then i ask them how did you the pope. How did you define. They would say, as he would have always been a pope, he is totally surreal. This is the revolution with benedict. I arrived here, and i stepped down, but here we have a man of gover