look at how the country responds. >> we will be vigilant, but not run scare. prudent but not panic. 500... >> the bottle for kobane continues. neither side... >> sexting is a bad idea. kids, sex and technology. once you send something to someone you lose your ability to control that forever. >> dozens of sfcted war criminals reportedly received u.s. social security benefits. >> they were, but they lied who they were. >> fresh takes on relations. >> the minimal requirements has been raised to two. we begin with the attack in ottawa. griddio was respected of lora bidner jumping -- bido. video was respected of sim shooting nathan cirillo at the wore memorial. s house of commence paid an emotional tribute to the fallen soldier. ♪ o canada we stand on guard for the later the sergeant at arms, kevin vick areas, who shot and killed the gunman was hailed as a hero, receiving a standing ovation in the house of commence chamber. the gunman was described as a 32-year-old criminal. intentions. >> we have zgs that suggests an association with some individuals who may have shared his views. cannes aid gan officials pledged to adopt laws. but the united states was on high alert for terrorist infiltration. we shared borders with canada. it's crossed by 300,000. the federal bureau of investigation is working with authorities on the investigation. >> for more we are joined from vancouver. a former member of canada's advisory. and by robert grenier who is an al jazeera contributor. it's great to have you with us. i'll start with you. how vigilant is canada. this man was not on the risk of high-risk people. >> i think the problem that canada face, of course, is the lack of resources. we have our own counter intelligence agency and doubles of displays, but they do not have enough man power and people on the crowned to watch everyone. canadian people are talking about aggressive policing. do you see it happening, more resources going into this. >> you know, what happened was a wake-up call for all canadians, including people in government. you know, even though intellectually they knew there was a threat, that there were people wanting to cause harm, you know, emotionally they couldn't wrap their mind around it. since yesterday there has been a change in people's attitudes, and the willingness of the government do do a lot more. give a lot more authority and power to the police what does this mean for the u.s. reports say the shooter travelled four times in recent years. how good is our intelligence collaboration with canada, and how concerned are you by what andre said, about the resources. >> i have had experience with the canadian service, and they are professional and very good. they don't have the resources that cousins across the border do. they are effective with the resources that they do have. there are cooperations. and the federal bureau of investigation security side. i would say that we have to see all of this in a bit of perspective. and we can't expect too much from any service. when you deal with a lone wolf and on whom there was no reason to be suspicious in the past. that's something you argued before. that lone wolves are the biggest danger we are facing. the highest risk is self-radicalization. the shooter in canada operated as a lone wolf, but this some contacts among extremists. so, have intelligence agencies been handy capped as many argue by the leaks in being able to go after the lone wolves? >> i think it's a matter of perspectsive. with regard to the is individual responsible for the terrorist attack in montreal, he had an online profile. he was fairly obvious. >> you were talking about the one that ran over a soldier. >> precisely. however, there are other people who have online signatures that are not so obvious. and the question is are we prepared as a society, to make the sacrifices with regard to civil liberties in order to gain the measure of the protection. obvious. >> that's a question for you, civil libbersies has -- lib erties has been a question. certainly since the edward snowden leaks. is that something canadians would accept now? aggressive policing level? >> well, we had some scandals involving our own agencies. it didn't have the same impact as the edward snowden case in the united states. and i think the canadian intelligence agency, the electronic intelligence agency has been more effective in monitoring them. it's not exactly what the other jonah said, which is how far can you go to enable civil liberties. >> a former colleague of yours, the c.i.a. is the number two. i heard them say that he's more concerned about the threat of terrorists coming through the northern border than the southern border. do you agree? >> i think based on past history. i guess you have to agree. i don't think we should equate canada with syria. the threat this we have seen coming has been a limited one, but that said, when we talk about terrorism, we have a greater issue across the canadian border than the left. the other difficulties is mexico. >> how concerned are the canadian people after what happened yesterday. how bad of a problem do you think you have? there have, over the years, been concerns about radicalization of canadians. >> we are, you know, a lot more aware of the problem today. there are a lot more people in canada who are localized more so the in the last 18 months. there's a possibility that they would make their way south, as did the shooter on monday, he had gone to the united states. the problem that canada faces is how do you monitor civil liberties and civil rights in order to monitor people known and that you can identify as potential jihadists. this is a problem. the interesting thing is what happened on monday is that it brought to all parties in canada the point home that, you know, they were at risk. they were the ones locked down in house of commence, they could hear the shots, smell the gunpowder. it will be a lot more civil and ongenial than the president would -- congenian than the president would have been last week the blow back element here. canada recently decided to become an active part of coalition. do you think we are going - there has been a number of these lone wolf incidents in the west. snore. >> well -- to see more? >> well, i think we'll see more. you mentioned a couple of minutes ago na the greatest risk, threat, is from the lone wolf terrorist. we disagree with that. it's most difficult for us to defend ourselves against the lean wolf. they are not in the aggregate of a great threat. what i am concerned about is much more sophisticated planned operations by significant numbers of individuals, where the roots of the plots are overseas and within syria and iraq. that's what i'm afraid of bit. >> robert, it's really a us. >> thank you turning to the war against i.s.i.l. and iraq and syria. air strikes in syria killed 464 i.s.i.l. fighters, and 57 members of the al qaeda affiliated al-nusra front, according to a group monitoring syria. i.s.i.l. has the upper hand in a beseemed kobane. despite a weapons drop to help them take the city. iraq launches a new push to get closer to baghdad. the american public continues with a push to help the campaign. a pugh poll photocopied the major ta of correspondents don't think the u.s. is going well. for more, we are joined by ambassador christopher hill, serving as ambassador to iraq in 2009 and 2010. and he is the dean. school of universal studies and his memoir "out post - life on the front lines of american diplomacy." good to have you here. let's talk about the report on how many i.s.i.l. fighters have been kill. there has been many different numbers, about how many fighters they have. do you think we are putting a dent in this. so. >> yes. >> as many as 500 are flowing into syria. >> i don't think it will be won by a body count, but will be won by pushing i.s.i.s. out of iraq and out of business. the way to do that is through coalitions, have air strikes and ground forces. and that has been pretty tough to marry up. you have an iraqi army that is having trouble, and a peshawar. the kurdish forces are having problems. it's as many american officials have been saying, it's a long-term process. >> let's talk about the coalition, the relationship with the turks, a key part of whatever we do in that area, given the border they have with syria and iraq - that the turks keep waffling about how they are going to help. it certainly sounds as if u.s. officials are getting frustrated. >> no question. the historically good relationship between the u.s. and turkey is a casualty of this. the turks have not been all that helpful on kobane, and to hear the turkish prime minister, it's as if he want to make a deal "we'll do this if he promises to do that." that's not the nature of the alliance. >> is the issue that he's seeing the kurd, that there have been long-term rebellion there, it's been peaceful over the past couple of years. buzz he see the kurds -- does he see the kurd as a bigger threat? >> it's part of it. there's another aspect. he's worried that they can get directly involved. i.s.i.l. attacks, turkey. many turks are worried about president recep tayyip erdogan's leadership in terms of getting turkey too much involved in these arab areas. and so they would see further efforts as an example of the turks leading his country into areas they don't want to be. they weren't happy. even that - they weren't happy about it. let's talk about the other things. there are reports that we are thinking that the whole moderate syrian repel side of things may not work out so well. they may be used, whatever training we do is mostly defensive. are we back to what president obama said. that it was a fantasy. >> we seem to be close to that. we heard yesterday from the white house, the idea that we'll train them for defensive purposes. the train the moderates idea. seems to me it was up to them to show us how it would work. they use it as a slogan and move on to the next issue, president obama had deep misgivings, what syria needs is a blue print for the future. it needs to say more than let's have professional elections and government, provisional constitution. what syrians want to know - that's the druge, christians, sunnis, they want to know what is the future. it's not about majority rule. that is coming. the problem in syria is how will we protect the minorities. >> i want to have you back to talk about your book. i want to bring up some of the bases. those are that you were -- some of the basics. those are that you were frustrated in your time in iraq. we saw former defense secretary come out and criticize obama for the way they handled iraq. was your sense that there was no desire from the administration to stay engaged in iraq? >> i think the problem of staying engaged required the iraqis to agree that we should stay engaged in troops. it wasn't the case. it wasn't just maliki. all the parties had deep misgivings about the idea of having u.s. troops. washington was in too much of a worry to somehow get out of else. >> what about what panetta said. >> i would beg to disagree. the iraqis would tell you if you talk to iraqi politicians, they want to keep the u.s. troops here, the other guise don't. they -- guys don't. they all said that. i'm not sure this is a matter of the u.s. the iraqis didn't want to have foreign troops on the ground. i think president obama understood that. and i wish others understood that a little better as well. we look forward to having you here. outpost, life on the front lines of american diplomacy. federal authorities have charged seven people with conspiring with al qaeda. >> since 9/11 the us has spent has spent billions of dollars on domestic counter-terrorism operations. >> i wanted to be in on the big game and to be paid top-dollar for it. that's it. >> many of these involved targeted informant led stings. >> to them, everyone in the muslim community is a potential informant or a potential terrorist. >> hundreds of days in detention. >> al jazeera rejects all the charges and demands immediate release. >> thousands calling for their freedom. >> it's a clear violation of their human rights. >> we have strongly urged the government to release those journalists. >> journalism is not a crime. welcome back to "consider this", while i was off, lisa fletcher filled in. interviews. >> a disturbing report from the associated press is casting light on an ugly episode in the u.s. history that is going on. since 1979 least 38 of 66 suspected nazi war criminals who came to america after the war used a legal loophole to correct millions in social security benefits, apparently in return for leaving the country. four of the suspects are still alive, and receiving benefits, including guards who served in auschwitz and other camps. i'm joined from washington d.c. from richard lardner who co-authored the piece. >> thanks for being here. >> thanks for having me. >> when did it start. and why did the nazi hunters agree to the deal? >> you have to go back, and there were many nazi persecutors who came to the united states after the war. a few of them got in. an ss connection was a disqualifier. if you said your honour part of the squerman army and downplayed the role you had adds many as 12,000 came in the country. they worked and blended into the communities and neighbourhoods. many became u.s. citizens. when you fast-forward to the a public conscious innocence. -- consciousness. the soul mission was to find these people and remove them. once they found them, nobody wanted them. they had to come up with ways to get them out of the country. richard, it seems like their soul purpose - why were they interested in getting the soil? >> you have to remember, we had no basis to prosecute. they were outside the u.s. the only basis the united states had for removing them from the country was that they lied or concealed the prior service. on the basis of that they could remove them from the country, and the idea was if you sent them to wherever it was, germany, austria, rooem annia, you -- romania, ukraine, they'd take them, get them to. they would be prosecuted. >> this was a justice department initiative. your reporting showed the stayed department objected to what justice was doing as did the social security administration and foreign governments, who you mentioned earlier had to receive the former nazis, what happened to the former objections? >> they complained loudly. imagine the bro back. imagine swun unwanted. the state department for the u.s. ambassador. they faced their a.b.c. the justice department clamped down its methods. it backed away from what was known as nazi dumping. a derogatory term. backing away from that, what didn't change was the law. allowing benefits to be paid, who left the country. it's a high threshold. >> did the benefits showed how much was paid out. >> we estimated based on the records. the social security administrator refused the request to provide a number of nazi suspects who received payments, and the total amounts of the amounts. they told us, one, the privacy act doesn't make exceptions for nazi war criminals or accuse the criminals, and they don't track cases with that granularity. they would know whether a person left the country, under what circumstances. one of the prominent nazis, arthur rudolph was a scientist. were other suspected criminals deported by other agencies. >> sure. this is open. the fbi records released over the last decade or so show that the fbi protected a number of nazi war crime suspects from prosecution, because they found them to be useful in the united states, keeping an eye on immigrant communities, reporting back to the fbi, to hoover, about what they were learning. so a calculation was made that their value was such that they would look the other way, because they would deliver information that the fbi found useful. four former nazis are getting social security. is congress looking to change the law at all this happening? >> caroline maloney from new york told us that she plans to introduce legislation that would change the law to lower the threshold. it would no longer be deportation, it would be lower down to something like denaturalization, when citizenship is revoked. introduced. >> associated press reporter richard lard ner. thank you for your time. >> turning to a trend, more than one in four teams admitted to texting nude photos of themselves, or sexing. the results published in the paediatrics report shows that it is the new normal among adolescence, and boys and girls were equally likely to send photos, boys more likely to ask for them. >> many paid a terrible price. ranging from depression, bullying and the rest. consider the case of a minnesota teenager, whose father is a minneapolis police officer, and the child protection services. if you think talking about his work with his daughter was a deterrent, you would be wrong. joining us is michala schneider and grant her dad. in the seventh grade she started a relationship that turned into sexting. it turned to bullying, taunt i by peers -- taunting by peers that drove her to depression and ooen suicide. >> michala, i want to start with you. your story begins with a girl liking a boy in seventh grade. how did you go from something so incident to texting inappropriate pictures. who or what influenced you to do that, and got you to think it was okay? >> at the time, it was - everybody was doing it. it was a norm. all my friends are doing it. and i never thought he would be the type of person that would ask for something like that. but i was wrong, and he had a way of manipulating me, and he had a way of telling me it will be okay. if you love me, you'll do it. >> when word got out. you were bullied. you became depressed. describe your emotional and physical state to us, once this was all over school. >> in the beginning i didn't think it would be anything, because everyone else knew everyone was doing it. but then everywhere started calling me a slut and saying that i was worthless and i should kill myself, and it became really bad, and i was sat all the time, i didn't think it was worth anything. i hated myself for than anyone good. did you go to your mum and dad about this. i know your stepmum got a hold of your cell phone. when it got to the point that you had feels of depression and angst, did you talk to your phones about it. >> i talked to my stepmum and she talked to my dad. >> grant you are a veteran cop, you are ashined to the sexual -- assigned to the sexual protection unit. did you think all the times you spoke about your work to your daughter, that that would be enough moj. -- knowledge. >> yes, it was. we are told as a parent to give more information. in this case, i can't think of anything we provided michala, or didn't provide michala. i think we provided her everything that we could have in terms of information, examples of how young women were exploited, and the pathways that led them towards that exploitation, and it didn't do anything to stop it. >> you said this was common, your friends were doing it. did it equate to exploitation to you. did you connect the dots between the work your dad does and what happens to women and what you were engaged in. >> at the time, no. because i thought that it wasn't anything bad, even though i knew it was bad. i just thought, you know, it's normal. everyone is going to be doing it, and now i know there's a huge connection michala was bull eyed, shamed by her peers. you and your wife confronted the boys and you had a mixed relation from them and their parents. is this the old story of blaming the victim or parents not wanting to see what their kids are doing, especially here in the 7th grade. >> i had a lot of time reflecting on actions, not only from the parents and the school. there was a sense of what do we do now. how are you going help us to try and protect michala. when she's in our home we know these okay. when she is walking the hallways at school. we weren't next to her. there was a sense in retrospect of what i thought were adults with their head in the sand, not wanting to acknowledge that this was a problem, that this could be my child, looking at this as a problem that happens to someone else. >> whether or not someone my age or anyone that didn't grow up texting understand this, you do. this is how young people date, and you said outline your friends did it. do they do it after what you went through? >> i'm not in the same group of friends now, but my group of friends do it and a lot of people in my grade do it. it's the social form, and it's not okay. >> what clicked for you, when you stopped feeling like a victim and you felt empowereded. i now you reached out to health officials. what was the trigger for that? >> my whole trigger was it really did come from my parents. it came from i need to show people that this is wrong, and i need people to know that it's not okay, and i just want to help anybody that i can with my story you and your daughter has been talking publicly which is fantastic and rare. one of the things you confront people with is the role of pornography and the impact on culture. >> the reality of this is like it or not. this is pornography, an extension. pornification of our culture, children. the connections between pornography and later exploitation of women through s trafficking and prostitution. it is unreliable. this is the same mechanism at work, when it occurs in an early dating relationship. it is as work in the commercial exploitation of young and adult women, there's no doubt, and the segment points out that girls are not innocent. 42% of girls request impropriety picture from boys. it seems more often than not, the girls are shamed. they are called out. they are bullies, that happened to you. what is the message to boys, the parents of boys? >> i think the message is you shouldn't be asking for stuff. it's not okay. and. >> i would at on to that, and she tapped me on the arm, i think she wants me to. i think it's time to confront with our young men, and our old men too, that what we have unfortunately is a malfunctioning male sexuality in the country. when we have mechanisms like this, structures like this, and behaviours that are socially accepted, that young women believe that this is normal and an obligations that they have to fulfil at an early age, we have to confront that. we can't start too early to do that. i believe we have to start begins. >> we applaud your bravery. thank you for your time tonight. >> thank you >> i'm ali velshi, the news has become this thing where you talk to experts about people, and al jazeera has really tried to talk to people, about their stories. we are not meant to be your first choice for entertainment. we are ment to be your first choice for the news. >> all of these people eagerly waiting in line are about to get closer than they ever have before to an 8,000 pound giant. >> hi bamboo! >> bamboo is the oldest elephant here at seattle's woodland park zoo. she shares this space with two other elephants, 35 year old chai and 45 year old retoto. >> so even when we have elephants that are sharing the same space together, they often times choose just to share opposite ends of the exhibit. >> a growing body of evidence shows that zoo elephants thrive when they are able to socialize with each other in a herd of three or more. the a.z.a. is requiring all of its accredited zoos with less than three elephants, increase their herds or phase out their programs and donate their elephants to other zoos. animal rights advocates say that's not enough. >> what would you like to see for these elephants? >> i would like to see them retired to a sanctuary where they can roam on vast acres of land. >> but curator martin ramirez believes zoos have a duty to breed new elephants and sanctuaries are meant for the animals to live out their days, not procreate. >> there you go, perfect! >> ramirez hopes that providing an up close and personal experience will inspire everyone to join the effort to save the elephants. the ebola outbreak has brought um fears that small pox could be revived as a terror weapon. it killed many in the 20th century, before a worldwide vaccination campaign wiped it out. ordering to the world health organisation r the last naturally occurring case of small pox occurred in 1977. the virus lives on in two centers. small pox lurks on the internet. the sequence for the small box genome was stored in a computer in the early 90s, and can be found online. for more, i'm joined from washington d.c. by kyle olsen. president of the olsen group. one that has advised homeland security, federal bureau of investigation, and c.i.a. and other agencies on how to prepare and respond to terrorism. >> according to an opinion piece in the "new york times", a well equipped biotechnology lab might be able to replicate the small pox virus. it also said that a modest lab might do that before too long. do you see that assessment as being realistic. >> the magic word is might. the fact that the genome exists and they we moved so far, so fast, that we can literally essentially set a printer to work putting together the coding to create what at least is the molecule, you know, that's a remarkable achievement. whether we talk about small pox or, you know, synthetic hormones. being able to go from printing the molecule to inserting it into a cell, or having an active virus, i think the article was oversimplistic. where we are today is dramatically far from where we were yesterday, and where we were tomorrow will be further down the track. >> for people that don't remember, before its eradication, small pox killed 30% of victims. some described it has the most efficient killer. i'm old enough to remember the fear. we saw the panic and confusion caused by the ebola cases in the u.s. and we know al qaeda was interested in small box. it could be an effective terror weapon if it could be revived. >> the reason small pox - we eradicated small pox because we developed a strategy for vaccination of the population. it was effective, is effective against small pox. we stamped the disease out, making it impossible for it to continue. we eradicated small pox globally about 30 years ago. in the ensuing 30 years, we have not kept up the global vaccination programme, we have not continued to follow up with boosters as necessary. today we have a population, and the people vaccinated 30, 40, 50 years ago and thing they are safe against small pox, the security, immunization against that disease probably lapsed to some degree. you have a population that would be susceptible to small pox. not the way we were 100 years ago. but there's a danger out there. >> not unbeatable. but a danger. >> people like he may have some residual protection, who nose how much. the u.s. has a stockpile of reappears. >> we do. we can manufacture more. we don't have a large spock pile. -- stockpile. the reality is we'd have to fire it up. or if we had to start at one end of the country and work to the other. again, there's small pox vaccine, we know how to make it, we have the technology that works. people have been letting it slide. there's a lot of people that need it. into there's a best-selling model called "i am pilgrim", suggesting that not only could the small pox virus be recreated, but altered in a way that would defeat the vaccines that we would now have. >> mother nature alters viruses all the time. that's why we have a flu shot. manually altering the virus - scientifically credible, that you may be able to do that. when you tinker with these things, you are likely to destroy the vibrancy or viability as you are to make it more dangerous. manmade tinkering, designer biological weapons is on the list of things keeping homeland security planners up at night. >> how concerned should we be about the small pox that exists in the labs, and russia, and c.d.c., and some that think north korea may have some. should we be concerned. we have seen mistakes made by labs and hospitals recently in the ebola case. >> i don't worry about the stockpiles in russia or atlanta. we know where they are, we maintain that they are well taken care of. rumours about north dakota. north korea were floating around a couple of decades ago. that's the kind of thing to keep our eyes on. we have stockpiles in both countries for three reasons. one military condition want to get rid of the small pox. there was talk of weaponizing. there's a scientific reason. which you don't necessarily want to get rid of that. you need to work with material. there's an ethical reason not to destroy the stockpiles. it's a form of if not life, than semi life. and the ethical issues of randomly saying we are going to destroy the last organisms. the key issue here is i don't get as excited about the notion of someone sitting in a laboratory. mother nature is tinkering are other diseases all the time. >> there are enough out there. and we never have to worry about small pox again. there's certainly debate about viruses. primetime news. >> welcome to al jazeera america. >> stories that impact the world, affect the nation and touch your life. >> i'm back. i'm not going anywhere this time. >> only on al jazeera america. >> now available, the new al jazeea america mobile news app. get our exclusive in depth, reporting when you want it. a global perspective wherever you are. the major headlines in context. mashable says... you'll never miss the latest news >> they will continue looking for survivors... >> the potential for energy production is huge... >> no noise, no clutter, just real reporting. the new al jazeera america mobile app, available for your apple and android mobile device. download it now >> are we on the verge of the next energy revolution? the announcement 6 a major break through of nuclear fusion, cleaner than what we use today. fusion that could theoretically give us unlimited energy. but the supposed breakthroughs of fusion has been amountainsed before. we had a chance to speak with jake ward, science and technology cours correspondent for al jazeera. we talk about what a breakthrough this is. >> jake, people have been talking about giuliani power for a long time. will "y" will fusion some day be such a big game changer? >> lisa, it's a possibility. it really could be unlimited energy some day. you need to basically be creating more energy than it requires to put into the process. no one has been able to do that before. people have been able to make big amountings of energy using processes like this in the past, but it takes endless amounts of energy to create the conditions. if as lockheed claims they can put together a relatively portable, a practicer-trailer-size reactser, put energy in it and get massive amount out on the order of 100 megawatts, enough to power a small town, it could be a big game changer. the question is can they do that? >> what is it that sets lockheed apart from everything else that working on fusion? >> they have taken huge, huge amounts of machinery to experiment on this. i it's like it's only little city to do this. to be able to smash this down into a reactor that could fit into tractor trailer, if they could do that, that would change the game. >> none of the others have come if fruition, that's why many are skeptical about this announcement, but the fact that it's coming from lockheed martin make it credible for you? >> it's hard to investigate for many reasons. they're also a military contractor, so they're not in the business of sharing their data, and no data was shared with this. no data. when you look at fusion claims you have a lot of data lookeddality and the whole business of science has to do with reviewing other people's data, refining it, experimenting and none of that will apply here. on the other hand lockheed is in the business of creating stuff that does not work. and they don't typically advertise their stuff early. there really is a--it's an interesting claim. the idea that they're being bold with this, ands coming from a company like this, we don't know. >> there is a lot of priorit propriety information involved, why are they keeping so much of it to themselves. >> i think it has to do with the cultural of being military contractors. i went to the facility, plant 42, it's private contractors renting space from the air force surrounded by guards and guns and they're guarding state secrets. oftentimes other contractors, boeing and lockheed, they may be on the same facility, but they don't talk to one another. there is a whole culture of secrecy here that no one appreciates fully. for this thing to benefit from human kind is an unusual thing. i think that's why there is such a tight lid on it. >> jacob washed. thank you for joining us. >> we'll be back with more on "consider this." >> we heard about the need for a conversation on race for years. and a new film may have started one. "dear white people" look at hypocrisy on elite college campuses. >> dear white people. the minimum requirement of black friends to not seem racist has been risen to two. and your weed man does not count. dear white people, stop petting my hair. does it look like a petting zoo. >> eppy join us from los angeles. the movie points out the hypocrisy of many college who is think they're open-minded about race but they're just as divided as answer other school. it has started a major conversation about the subtle prejudices that students face every day. you have great reviews and celebrities. >> thank you . >> you have two award nominations on thursday. what why you think that the film and it's ideas are resonating so much for people from so many different backgrounds. >> thank you for that. we're excited that people have respond sod well. i think one of the reasons that people have been resonating with this is it's a subject in a he ihehe ihe is sow esoterical way. >> the film brings up parties on campus where is white students dress up as the worst stereotypes possible, and it's something that has been happen forgive years. >> it has been happening, and unfortunately it's been happening now. i think that this movie will actually shine a light on this is a micro aggression. what are you doing? and where i don't feel like a lot of people are doing it with malicious intent, i don't think that they really understand the repercussion of it. >> do you think it has gotten better? >> you know, i personally think that i'v i've--it's been a long time since i've been in college. i think it's gotten a little bit better but it's got a long way to go. it's subtly moved where it's not so overt where it is someone wanting to touch your hair, or you don't need sunscreen because you don't burn. because you're black? random stuff like that that makes you think, what? what do you mean? do you know what you're saying? >> it's at as overt as might have happened in the past. >> it's not as overt. >> the hair and appearance the film tackles the subtle jabs. here is a clip why one student rants about white students talking about her hair. >> so, i hate to do it to you, but i'm going to have to get real black with you for a second. the other day a girl had the nerve to ask me if my hair was weaved? first of all, if your regoin you're going to fix your mouth to say something like that, say it right, it's weave, now, present tense. >> the film brings it up. white people say things that they don't think is prejudiced but it is. really, there is an educational side of it. but it tackles things that african-americans say to each other. >> it does. i think that a lot of times people don't we don't talk about within our own communities this racial tension within our community. but i do feel that cocoa is a great example when she's bringing up the other girl who is talking about her hair or even her relationship with troy is really interesting as well. >> and really it addresses so many different issues, including the diversity of the black experience and the diversity of racism. >> exactly. that's one of the things that i really appreciate that is in justin's descrip script. there are many, many ways to be quote/unquote black, and a lot of times we don't get to explore that. in this movie we have different types of students who are looking within their own racial identity of how they're fitting in. are they black enough? are they not black enough? what does that mean? and i think these characters pull it together. you have lionel, who does not want to be labeled black or gay. he just wants to be himself. then you have coco, who is by any means necessary trying to go into this celebrate culture and how to get there. so i feel that this really does tackle an entertaining and educational in a very entertaining way the diversity of racism within the community, and how also it gets perceived throughout. >> "dear white people" is playing nationwide. eppy brown its great to have you with us. best of luck with the movie. >> thanks for having me. >> the conversation continues on our website. we're also on facebook and twitter. and you can tweet me @amora tv. we'll see you next time. >> hello, and welcome to the news hour. we have your top stories this hour. 51 arrested in the biggest town hall corruption scandal in spanish history. the most intense fighting for weeks as kurdish fighters battle isil for kobane. and election hailed as a beacon of hope to the region. >> we'll have all the sports. the south

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