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Mid east tensions are still very high as israel and hamas go back and forth on a long term peace deal but while an overwhelming number of israelis back the situation in gaza, lets go to tel aviv and yehuda shaol. The cofounder and director of breaking the silence an israeli Veterans Group that works to expose injustices and abuse of palestinians by the Israeli Military. Good to have you with us. Your groups executive director wrote about her time in the service in the guardian on monday saying i believed with all my heart that we were doing what needed to be done. Things have changed and now, i can no longer have that certainty. How have things changed . I think when uli, my comrade, wrote that things have changed she doesnt necessarily say that things have changed on the ground. I think when she says things have changed, is she changed, the way she sees and the reality how things stand. The same for me, during the second intifada, towards the end of my service, when i was able to start thinking like a civilian that i started questioning. And i started realizing the way i justify things to myself throughout my service didnt make sense anymore. Your groups point is that the Israeli Military acts not just whats happening in gaza to control palestinians to break their will to let the palestinians know that Israeli Forces are always going to be there and they should be afraid to stand up for themselves . We oar group of almost 1,000 israeli veterans who served in combat units from the second intifada to today. And we basically believe in a very skimp thing, our instrument of defense and not an instrument of oppression. We are trying to hold up a mirror and demand from our society to take moral and civil responsibility for whats being done in our name. And whats being done in our name is a prolonged occupation that is built and designed to maintain itself. And the way to do it is basically make palestinians fear you. Once they get used to the level of fear, they have to increase it and increase it. This hole has no bottom. What we want to see happening is climbing out this hole and ending the occupation. You say that its designed to do that and that this leads to all sorts of abuse he that its abuses that its institutional and the abusive policy is policy set by the Israeli Defense forces . Look, one of the main things ive done during my service is what we call in the military making our presence felt. What does it mean . The concept, the idea i the is that palestinians, they will be afraid to attack so to make them feel this way you make your presence felt. I served over a year in hebron, which is the largest palestinian city in the west bank. You start your night parole, 10 00 to 6 00 in the morning, eight hour shift. You l choose a random house, i was a sergeant, wake up the family, tear apart the place, finish searching the house go out to the street knock on another house a random house, bump into the house, wake up the family, search the place. Thats how you pass your eight hour shift, 24 hours a day seven days a week until today didnt stop for any second. The idea is that every palestinian will feel the military is right here. You never know how its going to start how its going to end. It is what we call in the military to create the feeling of being pursued. These were phrases we used in our briefings. How do you respond to an i. D. F spokes man . Any of the bad behavior your group has uncovered had been reported to the i. D. F that the soldiers who did those kinds of things would be behind bars . Look, this tactic about making your presence felt is an official policy that the i. D. F spokesperson before approved, that is one of the things they do and thats one of the thing we dough so thats not one rogue soldier. Thats the mission. Now the other thing i would say is, i dont on a very, very deep level i dont believe the problem is the i. D. F. I believe that is the Political Mission the i. D. F is sent to carry out. When your Political Mission is to maintain a prolonged over a confined people, we had operation autumn cloud, we had operation federal defense and you ask yourself where is it going . Thats the idea, thats the big strategy that every two years well have an operation. Every operation will be more aggressive than the previous one and the death toll will just rise and were going just for another operation. Actually, what we need to do is to rethink our strategies and to look for a different way out. So you think this operation would have heapped happened even if hamas hadnt been shooting 100 rockets a day into israel . I do want to end by asking you i guess a final question, is israel doing what it can . Do you believe its doing what it can to avoid civilian casualties in gaza and on the other hand, do you think the palestinians are putting their civilians in harms way by putting missiles and other armments in Populated Areas . Look, youre not going to hear good words of hamas from my mouth. No doubt sadly enough i dont believe israel is doing everything we can to avoid civilian casualties. Just look at this new tactic that has basically in this operation turned to be like a big strategy and up front admitted by ministers and generals which we call this knock on the roof. You take a house which is a house of a hamas activist, somewhere in the middle of gaza and that suddenly turns this building into a legitimate target, even though it doesnt pose a direct threat to our forces there and you basically throw a small missile on the roof or call the family and ask them to leave and after ten, 20 minutes you bomb the place even though you know theres civilians inside. This idea because you ask civilians to leave the building and they havent listened to you they deserve a Death Penalty is outrageous. And i think that just shows us that every operation we tend to cross another more red line that we havent crossed before and slowly slowly we get used to this. Because this is something that happens to us as a society, 47 years of occupation we are not able to feel empathy with palestinians or equally human beings. Just i as a soldier the first palestinian house i burst into i still doubted and the face of the children broad brought brought me to ask questions. We are here also. The first operation in gaza we were shocked but the number of death toll of civilians is just rising up and we were just not willing, were not able as a society to understand and realize and put question marks. And thats very, very sad thing for me. Yehuda shaol from breaking the Silence Group thank you very much for joining us. The backlog of deportation charges continuing to grow. The justice department, giving each can child a hearing within three weeks. Mean while the congressional caucus, holding a hearing, of the children who fear returning to their previous lives. Im joined by congresswoman judy chew. Congresswoman good of you to join us. Youve just come from the hearing where youve heard stories about unaccompanied migrant kids and others. Theres a big concern that if conscious doesnt act the departments of Homeland Security and health and Human Services would run out of money to deal with the crisis when congress is on vacation. The president has asked 3. 6 billion, Speaker Boehner has offered 659 million through end of the fiscal year. Is this acceptable to democrats . This is not acceptable. Theres a huge need and we have to address all aspects of this crisis. Speaker boehners proposal primarily gives money to Border Patrol. They do need the money but so does health and Human Services, so does the immigration system need funds for more Immigration Judges. We also need to address the root causes that is making these children go on this very, very dangerous thousandmile journey. And youve seen that in person. You went down to the texas border last month. When you came back you said the 2008 law that allows unaccompanied Central American kids to stay in the United States until they have a legal hearing about their status, you want that law to stay as it is. But republicans and some democrats even have argued that the law is partially responsible for the surge in migration because kids know and their parents know that theyll be able to stay here. What the republicans are saying about that law is patently false. Actually, if their theory was true that the obama obama administrations policies are causing this migration then why arent people coming from nicaragua or coast costa rica or beliz . The countries they are coming from have extreme violence and thats causing the children to flee. You have said, this fast moving deportations were not the solutions. But thats what president obama has asked for that. Thats right, i dont think thats the solution, we have to have a well rounded solution, one that looks to whether there is a legitimate claim pertaining to violence and persecution. If that system were to be done correctly, wed have the Immigration Judges we need. Right now theres only 243 in this entire nation to take care of these cases. Thats why theres such a huge backlog. Also these children are not represented when theyre in court. Thats not acceptable. Youve also written what you call the theatrics. , Texas Governor perry sending a thousand National Guard troops to the border. Your point which is well taken is it will make no difference because kids are happy to turn themselves in. What needs to be done . How do you secure the border . Do we need more physical barriers . Children turning themselves in, that wouldnt solve that problem. But i directly can the Border Patrol whether there should be National Guard at the border, they said well, they could help with some of the paperwork but they are not trained to work at kids. It is a theatrical move that would serve no purpose. How do you sop stop to flow into the United States . Once they have stepped on this ground they have all those rights so is there no way of stopping them from getting onto u. S. Territory . What would help is a functional immigration system. If we had a system that could hear these case necessary a timely manner then we would know who actually qualifies to stay here and who needs to be returned back to the country. But right now, the cases have such a great backlog that it could be five years before their case can even be heard. Thats not right. Now a new poll from the Public Religion Institute nis 70 of the country thinks unaccompanied migrant kids should be allowed to stay in the country if its proved that its too dangerous for them to go back home. Are you surprised theres that much support . America is a land of immigrants and it just cheers my heart to know that americans have the compassion to ensure that kids will not be sent back to be murdered in their own countries glrp congresswoman judy chew of california. We appreciate you coming. Time. Next saturday. Gaza, experience what its like on the ground, first hand, as our crew gets caught in the chaos. The reality of war. Shujayea massacre at dawn. Next saturday, 10 30 eastern. Only on Al Jazeera America. Over 3700 hours of secret recordings, the new book the nixon tapes, 1971 to 1972 sheds light on many of the taped conversations in the days before the watergate scandal. S Douglas Brinkley joins us in new york. Thanks for being here. Thanks for having me. Israel dominating the headlines. One of the tapes youve transcribed, brings up an interesting conversation that nixon was having with bob haldiman. Take a listen. They had no problems. Its wrong for the policy in the middle east to be made by a jew. Talking about Henry Kissinger, whether he should be involved in mideast policies. Keep in mind, kissinger has this voice activated system. So everything gets recorded. Theyre worried that kissinger may be proisrael. Henry is trying to prove hes not. Nixon tells h haldiman, because of world war ii, to emotionism and everything like that, an ugly way that nixon describes that. You say the guard was being down, it was voice activated. Very few knew it existed. The few who knew it existed probably let their guards down. Nobody knew, kissinger particularly was a young guy back then, smart guy from harvard, he is now one of our great states craft people but in these tapes he doesnt come out so great. In that context lets listen to something Henry Kissinger said about discussing juice in russia. For the treatment of negroes. Its not their business how they treat real callusness there. A real callusness, big power, toughness, all of this. The down side is very little on human rights and humanitarian concerns. And in this case kissinger is saying let the soviet union do what they want, well turn a blind eye to it. It comes off as you said callus. One other striking incident Mountain Book is involving vietnam. Lets listen to that. Interthree years ago. National hero. Crass traited 2 million south vietnamese catholics, these Little Brown People so far. Little brown people castrating millions of catholics, horrible stuff. Nixon had a hatred of india. He wanted to punish the indians all the time, backed pakistan. In his opening to china some of the more enlightened transcripts, how are nixon was doing the china rapprochement. I wont get into it on your show. Your fellow historian criticized can white house, he said in the New York Times that the appalling vulgarity, permanently tarnished the thecy. But is that fair . Because Lyndon Johnson was no shrink violet. Neither was john kennedy. We are looking at this in a 21st 03 lens. Whats appropriate now might not have been appropriate then. To a degree. But keep in mind, nixon was breaking laws right and left. Dealing with a president that was forced to flee the white house because there was so much thuggery going on. Breaking into the brookings institute, you are catching all of that in that language. Lbj used a lot of barn yard language but kennedy, when he was in a statesman mode, during the cuban missile crisis, nixon foolishly grabbed everything. Talking about that, this also does capture some of the brilliance of nixon. This was again prewatergate scandal breaking. And it was really after salt 1 and the rapprochement with china. Hes seen as a very successful president , in fact he won the election with 61 of the vote. If it hadnt been for these tapes which led to his resignation in watergate, do you think we would see him as a great president even though a recent poll Shows Americans think hes the worst president , in the modern era, its about like asking mrs. Lincoln, how was the play. As you said his first term, Neil Armstrong went to the moon and created the Environmental Protection agency and the clean air and water act. And he had the big break through to china, a great accomplishment. But vietnam was his downfall. Nixon kept manipulating that the incursion into cambodia and laos undid him. The incursion of the watergate tapes has nixon ranked in the bottom rung of the president s. The Supreme Court changed all that we just unfortunately skimmed the surface of whats in there but theres fascinating stuff in this book and i know youre planning to do more later. The second volume picks up in 73 and Alexander Haig made them pull the tape system out and his presidency collapses. We look forward to that. The nixon tapes is available now. A recent poll says a plurality of americans consider Richard Nixon the worst president since world war ii. Most forget that until watergate nixon had been a popular president and a man that had come back from devastating losses to lead america. Joining me from washington, d. C, to discuss nixon, is syndicated columnist and author patrick buchanan. Pat, great to see you. Before we can talk about nixons come back, lets set up what he was coming back from. He was a very successful politician early in his career. Congressman, senator from california. Became the second youngest Vice President in history under eisenhower. But lost to jfk. Their televised debate is still infamous. The miss first loss ever in california, and the title of your first chapter in your book, he was a loser in a party of losers, because the Republican Party was in at tha at that tims after Barry Goldwaters defeat in 1964. Thats right. We had a shattered party in 1964, down to basically one half size of the Democratic Party in both houses and when i joined nixon in 1965 they were talking about the end of the Republican Party. Three