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ALJAZAM Consider This July 29, 2014

We hope to find the magic formula in which the violence can cease. An International Peace team abandoned their efforts to reach the site. Again. We are sick and tired of being interrupted by gun fights. We urge russia to think again about its continuing support for the separatists. A new plan unveiled for the department of veteran affairs. The house and senates worked through the weekend. This bill makes certain we address the crisis. Two americans trying to fight the Ebola Outbreak in africa. Have come down with disease. Center. It will be months before we get a grip on the endem ib. We begin with Binyamin Netanyahu warning of a protracted campaign in gaza as fades. Translation stamina and anticipation are required to continue the struggle against a murderous terror group conspiring to destroy us. After a short ceasefire violence resumed, claiming the lives of nine more children in gaza. Israel and hamas blamed each other. And an attack on the hospital. There were no injuries there. Secretary of state john kerry is back in the u. S. And was on the receiving end of anger from israelis, who considered his last ceasefire proposal to be skewed in favour of hamas. John kerry is pushing for incremental progress. We hope to find the formula by which the violence could cease for a long enough period of time to find the sustainable ceasefire allowing you to move on from there. Joining us from gaza is nick schifrin, al jazeera cochbility good to see you. Today was supposed to be a day of celebration for a muslim holiday. Instead we saw an escalation of the fighting much the nine children killed in gaza, the hospital hit on the other side, five Israeli Soldiers killed and 20 others injured. Hamas shot rockets making it to northern israel. Binyamin netanyahu said we have you prepare for a long war. Things seem to be getting worse. They are getting a lot worse, and just in the last hour. We have heard a level and sound of a barrage into gaza city that we have not seen at all in the last few weeks. Flares have been up over the middle of gaza city. The leadership of hamass home has been targeted by an air strike. We have heard more drones and strikes from the sea, into gaza city in a long time. Behind me it is pitchblack, not because theres nothing there, but theres a blackout. Every sign that we have is that israel is escalatingdeeper into gaza. Some 250,000 people in three areas were told to leave the home, evacuate, and the journalist was told not to leave the hotel. That is happening tonight. A huge escalation from israeli. The cabinet rejected john kerrys latest ceasefire plan and the palestinian authority. The newspaper said the draft proposal was everything hamas could have hoped for. The times at israel says jerusalem regards kerry as dooup lis to us. Relations. Basically neither side trusts the intermediary. U. S. Secretary of state john kerry got so bad in israel, not only those two lines, but one person said that john kerry is a friend of israel, but with friends like these wed rather talk to enemies. What kerry is trying to do failed. The diplomacy failed. Israel is escalating. Hamas vows to continue to fight. Doesnt mean dip loam as yea will fail. Both sides at the moment dont want it to end. Israel, because it wants to attack the rockets and rocket launches that launch from here into israel. And go after the tunnels that fighters use to get from gaza into israel and hamas seems to have a lot of pressure to continue fighting. A lot of people are urging hamas to keep fighting. They insist theres no accuracy fire until two things one, the border restrictions are relaxed, and, two, the israeli siege is lifted. Israel is not willing to do either of those. Theres no sign that the violence is going to go down, the mediation or diplomacy will work. Increasing. Nick schifrin, good to see you, be careful. For more on the diplomatic efforts we are joined here in new york city by professor ben mir who spent the past 17 years involved in negotiations with israel and neighbouring countries. As a professor of Global Affairs at new york university, hes an expert in conflict resolution and middle eastern affairs. The u. S. Struggled to get anything more than a 12 hour humanitarian ceasefire, and now Binyamin Netanyahu is saying prepare for a prolonged conflict. Is there anything the u. S. Can do to stop the violence . At this point, very little. You have to look at hamass position, and the israeli position. Hamas cannot afford at this point to stop the fighting, unless they get compensation on the blockade. Because the price they have paid is too high. And if they concede without getting something in concern, it hamas. What about israel . From israeli perspective, they have thousands and thousands of rockets, and they want to put an end to this. I think both are engaged in delusions. Over the years they never understood that neither hamas hamas. Its time to rerecognise the basic fact. What do you say. Theres an editorial in the New York Times. The whole these sis was they argued that to save gaza hamas must be destroyed. But today others, like you, have said not only that hamas cant be destroyed, but if hamas were to be destroyed, Islamic Jihad or other elements could destroy hamas. You can destroy hamas, decapitate the leadership, destroy the rockets and the tunnels, but hamas is grassroot movement. So you cannot go and kill hundreds of thousands. That is the problem. Israel needs basic bitter facts on the ground, and need a formula by which they can ease the blockate. And in return hamas no longer will use the rockets. I know you proposed that too, that is yale needs to agree israel needs to agree to a deal leading to the easing of the blockade. Let me put myself in the israeli position and say why should we do that. If, with the blockade in place, we have seen hamas with many more rockets and weapons than what israel believed they had, and more tunnels going into israel. If we ease the blockade, it will get worse. Then again. Its not sustainable for hamas or israel. Israelis think in terms of what is going to happen, for how much longer can you maintain the blockade. Or how much can you maintain the occupation. As long as this continues, we are going do see more and more of these kinds of occurrence, and that is not good for his rail and the palestinians. You wrote that the entire situation is a tragedy because hamas and israel are guilty of hubris transcending bounds and defying reality. Are they guilty of hubris one more guilty than the other. I think equally guilty of huber ours, because they are refusing to see the reality, or that they coexist, whether they like it or not. And they must choose the quality of that coexistence. This is where both sides need to recognise and begin a new process, or instruction is on the outcome. How are que going to get to the new process if everything is on edge, and we are seeing so many people dying, but a Harsh Criticism of secretary of state john kerrys last proposals. Horets came out strongly against kerry. So did israel. 80 against the proposal. Now he seems to be backtracking and talking about disarmament hamas. On the one hand the United States suggest that hamas is a terror organization. Then comes john kerry, trying to cree at a balance create a balance between a terrorist organization and israel. That. Many israelis. Be na as this that as it may, the United States is in a bad spot. Theyd like to see an end to this. Its not good for america and israel. The longer this tips, the worst it will get. Time has come, when do you draw the line. I think the United States has a major responsibility. Unfortunately theres a lack of understanding in the part of the state, of the dimension of this conflict. We have not been dealing with this, weve been dealing with issues. You have to deal with that. As long as we do not deal with the mindset, perception, we will not solve the conflict. In the meantime people keep dying. Thats right. My pleasure. For more, we are joined from the studio in washington d. C. From a professor who teaches at the school of Foreign Services in qatar. The death toll in gaza near 1,100. 10 are refugees in their own land. So many thousands injured. Hamas waffled on the u. N. Call for a humanitarian pause saying if israels operations continued in gaza, they will not agree. Why not agree to a ceasefire, then deal with negotiations over the blockade, instead of dying. You hit on it. If the operations continue. We are witnessing now an escalation in israeli action and aggression across the gaza strip. We have seen a massive heal. Children in a hole. Children killed, United Nations facilities destroyed with civilians inside. The catastrophic death toll. Really we need to turn our perspective to what israel is doing in terms of the acts of aggression, and its inability to accept an attempt at a ceasefire that would bring about a comprehensive solution for this prop problem. Thats easier said than done. Israel fired rockets, including when theres minor pauses. There was a possibility of having stopped all this. There was a ceasefire proposed before israel went in with ground forces. Hamas had a chance to stop this. That ceasefire was not an agreement arrived at by the parties. It was an ultimatum issued by israel, delivered by the Egyptian Government of abdul fatah alsisi, and is just as responsible for the debilitating siege. So i dont think that there was anything on the table realistically that would have offered a solution. Now this goes behind hamas. This is something of an issue for the broader palestinian movement. We have seen this with the palestinian authority, and Mahmoud Abbas who came forward making statements saying that this cannot end without an end to the siege. We are seeing more broad support across the Palestinian National movement than we have seen previous to this. Despite hamas working at a serious disadvantage, you told the New York Times that hamas surpassed expectations. And its likely to come out in a far better position than the last three years or decade. Do you still think that. Hamas failed the governing until now, theres a Stronger International cry for a demilitarized gaza, something that palestinians disagreed to 20 years ago. Theres an international cry for a lifting of the blockade. The last decade has seen a degradation of the human civilian life in gaza. We have seen the devastating toll it has taken on the population. Its whats been described as a slow death. The Israeli Military wants to put the population of gaza on a diet, by preventing importation of basic food, medical supplies and equipment; not allowing the civilian population to leave. If this Current Situation results in a lifting of that siege, this will enable a much better political situation for the population of palestine, that israel stride to keep divided as much as possible. We have seen that hamas tried to enter into a unity government in which it essentially turned over the keys to gaza, to the palestinian authority, saying they didnt have to be part of the ministries, and cap itulated on a number of issues, and after israel launched the aggression, in recent weeks, that hamass position gained and became stronger. If we traced the chronology, looking at the developments for the last year, it leaves us without doubt that israel has, by trying to torpedo the unity government, empowered hamas in a envisioned. C. B. S. s charlie rose asked the hamas leader what it would take for his rail and a palestinian state to israel and a palestinian state to coexist, and he responded saying this. Translation when israel practically commits itself to withdraw from gaza completely and the west bank without settlement, and if we have capital and the return is there, then we will reach peace. Even if israel made all those cop sessions, which concessions, which you know is highly unlikely, if he would exercise israels right to exist, he says no. How do we move forward with hamas refusing to recognise the state . Again, i think the issue of recognising a right to exist is a mute point. The recognition is there, in the past, in the truces and in the discussions on the question. Its not so much the right to exist for a state as a blanket statement. What palestinians rejected is the occupation that has happened. The continued expropriation of lands. A lot of issues are the ones that i think that palestinians have related to recognise. This is really the issue that needs to be exposed because in the end we are talking about a civilian population without a state of their own, under foreign occupation, and that occupation is not something that anyone under the occupation would recognise. Thats really the point at issue. After the state defines the borders, which it has not done, it enveloped all of pol palestine. It led to an impasse, where we construct conditions upon which should the palestinians meet or achieve the conditions, only upon that will they achieve the rites. Its obtaining the rights that will lead them to recognising a state of their own. Once they have the state, we would see better opportunity for these questions to be resolved. As a result of the impasse, it continues. Thanks. Coming up, international monitors turned away from the wreckage of the malaysian plane as the fighting intensifies. Well look inside the peculiar daily life of the man many believes is at the center of all of it. Vladimir putin. And harmeli aregawi tracks the top stories on the web. What is trending . A dating website admits to lying to users about compatibility. The site says its for the good of the customers. More coming up. While you are watching let us know what you think. Join the conversation on Al Jazeera America presents i want to be able to make decisions and not feel guilty. 15 stories one incredible journey edge of eighteen coming september only on Al Jazeera America i voted for culture. With a k. how are you . I voted for plausible deniability. I didnt kill her, david. And i voted for decisive military action. America, you cast your votes. Now, go to xfinity on demand and select the peoples hotlist to see this summers top 100 shows and movies. I voted more fighting in Eastern Ukraine kept International Officials away from Malaysia Airlines flight mh17 on monday. Australian and dutch police joined international monitors in an effort to reach the crash scene where 298 died, when the plane was shot on july 17th. But for a second day fighting near there forced them to turn back, much to the frustration of monitors for the security and cooperation of europe, the o. S. C. E. On that side there are still body parts missing. Theres bodies there. Theres a job to be done. We are sick and tired of being interrupted by gun fights despite the fact that we agreed there should be a ceasefire. Meanwhile, russias foreign minister Sergay Lavrov blamed you grain, suggesting that rush awould defy u. S. And western european sanctions. That came before reports new sanctions target the finance, defense and Energy Industries would be announced as soon as tuesday. For more, lets go to donetsk and Eastern Ukraine. Good to have you with us. The u. N. High commissioner for human rights issued a report on monday focussing on flight mh17, and human rights abuse, including many people that have disappeared in Eastern Ukraine, and the u. N. Is pointing the separatists. Yes, it was a damming report based around the findings of the passed month, up until 16 july. And clearly afterwards, on the 17th tlsks the malaysian airliner crash. Now, the u. N. Has said that this crash and what happened could be classed as a war crime, and there needs to be a full and proper inquiry. Other reports in the report included more than 1,000 midapril. Thousands have been injured. Hundreds of people detained. Some people have been executed or disappeared. And a lot of the infrastructure this region has been destroyed. So clearly the u. N. Is very, very worried about an escalation in the fighting, leading to the fact that the investigators again are unable to get to the crash site where there is heavy fighting right now. Ukranian Officials Say they have gotten some information from the british about what the black boxes show. How much have we learnt . Well, if you remember those black bombs for flight data monitors and recorders were handed over to the malaysians who gave them to the british at farm borough to analyse. The ukrainians kalt out with strong evidence that seems to suggest that surface to air missiles brought down the airliner. Now, what they are saying is that the flight data recorders appear to show that shrapnel from the missile hit the aircraft leading to a loss of air pressure, and then the aircraft broke up mid air, leading to it falling in the Eastern Ukraine fields. Investigators on the ground will want to get to the debris as soon as possible to confirm this, to look at the shrapnel, rem plants of it on the debris and work out if this was, indeed, what happened. Theres a lot of fighting in the area and finger pointing on both sides as to who is responsible for the fighting. Well, its difficult to say really, i mean, the ukranian forces are advancing and push, trying to take separatist areas, and around the crash site and donetsk. Where we are is a strategic location for the country of ukraine. In the past few hours we heard the sound of our artillery. They are fighting on all fronts. Separatists and ukrainians, blaming each other on the game of war. The real focus is on russia, and what it will do. There has been calls for help. Military help. Financial help for the russians, and then the ukrainians are trying to block the supply roots from russia to the area where the separatists are fighting. All eyes on russia as to what they do next. Pleasure to have you with us. For more on the man accused of masterminding the conflict, im joined from london by ben juda. He work nooecks week magazines cover story, entitled the pariah, and also an author. Good

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