Oceans. Im antonio mora. Welcome to consider this. Heres more on whats ahead. President obama met with congressional leaders today to discuss the crisis in iraq. Hours after they asked for assistance. It is our duty to count erdz counteri. S. I. L. Everywhere we see them. I believe he should be prosecuted in federal court. Gitmo is a great place to hold them. Weve created this mess. So please. Dont tell me we cant clean this up. Together. We begin with iraq. The country continued to unravel, as i. S. I. L. Forces, bagi facility north of iraq. Government of Prime MinisterNouri Almaliki insisted the fight was still going on. President obama spent an hour with congressional leaders, on ongoing consultations with iraq. The president told congress he did not need Congressional Authority for further action in iraq. Pushing the maliki government to set aside sectarian agendas. General Martin Dempsey confirmed reports the maliki government had requestmore military aid. We have had requested more military aid. It is in our interest to counter i. S. I. L. Whenever we find them. Im joined by omar al sala. Omar, good to see you. The bagi facility, an iraqi spokesman is denying all of that. What have you learned . We spoke to sources at the refinery, a person who works at the refinery through his relative. And he said that the rebels did control the refinery and all the staffers were asked to leave. So now we understand that the refinerys under the control of the rebels. Another source says that 75 of the refinery is under control of the i. S. I. L. Fighters. Now, the government is refuting all of this. They say they managed to repel the attack and kill between 50 to 60 fighters and they say they are in control of that refinery. Now, conflicting reports as to what has happened but previous reports during the last we we last week we understand around the refinery is located. What would mean a takeover for that matter i. S. I. L. To control a big refinery like that is certainly a big boost. Absolutely. It will be another blow to the governments efforts. The refinery is the biggest in the country. It will not affect exports because most of iraqs oil exports go from the south, from basra. However, it will affect the local consumption of gas and fuel, and it again will boost the morale of the rebels who are advancing in other parts of iraq. The government is trying to retake different towns and cities, including the refinery. The government is making statements, rapid and quite a lot of statements trying to reaffirm, but in other parts of iraq as well. The white house has urged maliki to reach out to iraqi sunnies and kurds in order for him to be able to get more u. S. Aid. The Prime MinisterPrime Minister has apparently done the opposite. Accused the terrorists of hatching a regional plot to tear the government apart. And has asked formally for american air strikes to combat i. S. I. L. I dont think so, the american president , president barack obama did mention clearly that he wants iraqi leaders to be more open and to try and bring in all the opponents, the political opponents in this political process. Remember, the Prime Minister, 94 nouri maliki has problems with his own wide are shia coalition. So he needs to reach out. Now in termination of what he has done, there is nothing in terms of what he has done, there is nothing concrete yet. He was part of a meeting where different leaders were gathering. It was hailed as a good step but came out as saying iraqis agreed to unite against this terrorist wave across the country. But there were no concreate cons to bridge this gap. If the i. S. I. L. Insurgents follow through on threats on sliens in samala and nejef, could iraqi sunnies and kurds accept iranians coming in or do you think that will make things worse . It will make things worse and i think the sunnis, most of the sunnis, some of the kurds not all of the kurds will not accept iranian presence. The irony of this, when you speak to ordinary iranians, well involved since the occupation of country, this is something not really new. Now they accuse iran of meddling into iraqi politics. Not only Nouri Al Maliki but the performer Prime Minister. Iraq has always refuted the fact that there are involvement of Iranian Forces in this country. And they say we are only allies, however, iraq has its own sovereignty, and the regional countries need to respect that. Well, the u. N. Has declared iraq a level 3 humanitarian crisis, 1. 5 Million People displaced. So its a terrible situation there in iraq and always al jazeera, omar al sala, appreciate you joining us. Thank you. Im joined by retired air force colonel samuel gardner. Were also joined by aaron david miller, Vice President for new initiatives and distinguished scholar at the Woodrow Wilson center, author of the end of greatness, why america cant have and doesnt want another great president. Gentlemen, welcome. President obama met for less than an hour with congressional leaders on wednesday. What sort of options are realistically available . Well, the options that they keep talking about are first, increased intelligence. Both for ourselves and to provide the iraqi government. Theyre talking about option he of putting special options of putting special forces into iraq. Then theres the special operation which is the one that seems to be getting the most attention and finally there is the idea of do we pull more people out of the embassy as an example to russ our vulnerability. What do you think should be done . There are no good options. Its a little bit about like the crisis weve been in for syria and over the ukraine. The military options have very little possibility of achieving a success. It is just not in the cards to leverage military force at this point. Aaron you agree, you have written that the Obama Administration would likely succumb to pressure to do something in iraq but you dont think it should. Iraq has been dealt a pretty bad hand, in terms of where and when. Unless you can figure out a way to create a sustainable equitable and reasonable confessional balance, in which these three groups, sunni, shia and kurd, participate equally, iraq is going to be vulnerable both for iranian aspirations, and in syria, the sunni jihadi groups. The fact that five to 8,000 guys with Light Weapons could essentially take over iraqs second harnlg largest city and large swaths of the city and including the oil refinery in less than a week, suggests to me that the iraqi state is an empty shell. I agree with your guest that our military option hs are pretty constant. You can use reaper and predator drones but you cant hold the country together, no matter how good the intelligence is, with reaper and predator drones. Chair Martin Dempsey told the congress, isnt we take some action under these circumstances . Well, i if you pay very close attention to what he said, he said to counter i. S. I. L, wherever we find them. He didnt say, to counter i. S. I. L. In iraq. I think that the notion that we are supplying and going to increase supplies for moderate forces in syria is in part an attempt to counter i. S. I. L. But the thing about iraq is there isnt anyplace to provide military force that is going to do any leverage. I mean its a flufd battle field where you fluid battlefield where you cant tell where good guys and bad guys are. The idea of military force is such a terrible idea. We talked to Daniel Benjamin the other day on this show and he said the lesson number 1 of 21st century diplomacy is not to allow large states to fail. If i. S. I. L. Is allowed to hold this enormous territory from syria to iraq, wouldnt it be ignoring that lesson and the danger of that terrorist safe haven . Sure, but we already have that. In large areas of pakistan, somalia, yemen and youre going to have it in africa as well. I mean if you want to turn iraq into a counterterrorism problem and find a solution through good intelligence partnerships with the neighboring states, then you know, that may well be a sensible kind of policy. But i just dont see right now how the president is going oavoid doing something. Hes to avoid doing something. Hes under withering criticism for heading to the exits too fast, for ignoring a red line in syria, for not dealing with the worst humanitarian crisis since the end of the second world war. I think colonels right, that the use of military options is not going to be terribly effective. But i think he will have to do something and its most likely going to involve once collection of intelligence is complete or more comprehensive, in the use of drones and predators, against i. S. I. L. Positions in the north, convoys traveling across the border. Because i dont think we have right now any other good options. Massive air strikes and you have also written that this is in our neighborhood and we cant get sucked back into an iraq war. Is the issue that we simply cant do anything on the diplomatic front because the 800 pound gorillas, sunni and shia and kurds are usually at each others throats . Grand ayatollah sistani, who carries very much weight, both the sunni and shia, boat feer bg i. S. I. S, the threat to the iranian community, want to avoid refugee flows too, then i think they may be able to create a situation where maliki is forced out and you would identify another shia leader with whom the sunnis and the kurds have more confidence in. That requires a decision on the part of the locals, so to speak. Those who live in the be neighborhood of iran, those who live in iraq, part of the Shia Community to begin to craft the foundation of such a political solution. And maybe if we employed regional actors and perhaps some military power on our own and some intele intel we can perhapt an outcome better than the one now. The quebses of doing something or doing nothing, which is worse . I think we can do something. I think theres consensus about the need to deal with this growing threat of terrorism spilling out of syria and now iraq. Thats the basis on which we can make this not a United States issue but a braide braid browdel issues. Thats the thing i think. Certainly a worrisome situation. Appreciate you both joining us. Thank you. Now fro for more stories frm around the world. We begin in core ukraine, whe president Petro Poroshenko laid out a game plan, including a cease fire, tougher control of the countrys border with russia and it offers am amnesty to separatists who put down their arms. Next we go to washington, d. C. Where the redskins have been dealt a blow. The u. S. Patent office cancelled the teams trademark registrations, saying the name is disparaging to native americans. An attorney for the redskins expressconfidence the ruling would be overturned. Courts have sided with the redskins in the past. They stand up to protest has gone viral. The video has a huge flock of ducks, i mean huge, blocking a rural road. Why do ducks cross the road . According to the driver who shot the video, they were following a farmer in search of food. As to the name, it is a reference to antigovernment protest that rocked thailand and led to a military coup. That is something from around the world. Mia explanation isnt satisfying many. Also the men who literally wrote the book on benghazi, the capture of a social suspects. Our social media producer, hermela aregawi. Whats trending, hermella . Stop apologizing for everything, women. And it looks like it struck a chord. Its going scrierl. Ill tell you more coming up. While youre watching, join the conversation, ajconsiderthis on twitter and our facebook and google plus pages. As president obama faces pressure on what action to take in iraq, a new poll shows a large percentage of americans disapprove of how he is handling Foreign Policy. A 54 of registered voters believe he cannot lead and get the job done. According to a wall street journal poll. Form he secretary of state Hillary Clinton isnt faring well either. Joining us from los angeles to talk about the political headlines is Al Jazeera America political contributor michael shorer. President obamas being after 2006 in katrina. And 54 as i said said he cant lead and get the job done. That led Nbcs Chuck Todd to say, that amounts to the public telling president obama his presidency is over. This lack of Public Confidence has to hurt the president s ability to govern. It does. Why chuck todd would say that, he works for nbc. As you said, you know, a second term president is different than someone whos running for reelection. Whats going on around the country right now is there are a ton of people running against barack obama. So all of this, you know a lot of these numbers are affected by that. These local and state and federal elections that are happening, the president isnt up for anything, that doesnt help him though. It isnt good to have your leadership question at any time especially going into a Foreign Policy situation as they are dealing with iraq right now. Only about a third of americans think hes doing a good job on Foreign Policy, he has to lead on iraq. He met with leaders on wednesday, it was a good meeting, but the iraq plan would not require congressional vote, will that roughly feathers . That doesnt ruffle feathers. There were congressional leaders in the meeting. The president has the authority to do this going under the acts of 2000, 2001,2003. Barbara lee the congresswoman from california says wait a second, we want to sunset those bills and have the president come back here to ask for authority. Hes going to get some unexpected trouble from his own party on this. Meanwhile, Hillary Clinton has been selling her book, speaking to the media about just about everything. Some of the her things, saying e should send the children coming in from Central America back home and now we see this poll finding 38 of registered voters told pollsters, other numbers in polls before the book tour were better. So is all the exposure hurting her. She has a book . No idea. No, i think this is probably calculated antonio. I think they go in, the clinton name is a familiar name in america. They want to get by clinton fatigue. Have the clinton fatigue happen early and when she decides to run for president , which i imagine she will do and a lot of people will think is a forgone conclusion, it will be a reinvigorated movement. If you tell us 37 of people who really want her and 27 who dont thats in place p. She sgd that the irs case could benefit from a fair minded investigation. Whether irs employees covered tea party, any time the irs is involved, for many people its a real scandal. And now we have batches of emails from lois learner, the main irs person involved in this and other irs employees . These reports have been lost because of computers crashing. Former secretary of state to sort of digress from her boss and go away from where he was on this. Because as you mentioned its a populace issue, and she has had her own flirtations with missing files in the past, so she has to be careful how she treads on this issue, yes, theres question marks here. Generally speaking when you go up against the irs a lot of people have your bark when youre doing back when youre doing that. To stray from the president as she will have to on certain respects and other issues as well. You and i and everybody else in the country paid a lot of attention to the big defeat of House Majority leader eric cantor in his republican primary. Michael smith says theres a postelection poll that shows that cantor won among republicans but lost amongst independents and democrats. It was an open ended primary. That up ends all the reasons pundits said was the reason behind the loss. It was such a curious outcome. I know they have the jungle primary there, how Many Democrats came out to vote. Because by and large they were going to vote against cantor because of their distaste for his leadership there and locally. One thing to remember this pollster as we mentioned is cantors pollster. He didnt do a great job, he was way way off on the internal polling for that campaign. He was probably polling republicans noontd independents and democrats. I think its fascinating. It speaks a little very quickly about the tea party. People said this was such a tea party success, without democrats, the tea party wouldnt have mattered as much. It was more that so many people from conservative republicans to democrats. Thank you for being here. The capture of amu aba katalla, what he could be telling investigators who are 94 interrogating him on a u. S. Neafer navy ship in the mediterranean sea. Despite soiption from many republicans who feel he should go directly to guantanamo and face a military tribunal. Took the lives of four americans and left ten others injuries in benghazi. Fret burton vicfred burton, and, fred and sam are the authors of under fire, the untold story of the attack on benghazi. Fred i will start with you. We learned more about the mission to get katala, he was lured to the location after delta force received intelligence from locals. Special forces captured him, no shots fired, he wasnt guarded. It is curious, the timing, i know the suspect was identified early after the attack and he certainly was accessible to a range of reporters from various International Media outlets who interviewed him inside benghazi. So what do you mean by curious timing . A lot of people are puzzled as to why it took so long. Well as sam and i figured out for our book, under fire, the suspects connected to the special Mission Compound attack were identified by the fbi and the Intelligence Community within a few months after, and when you look at this in context in my assessment the u. S. Special Operations Community could have picked up katala as well as many others, many months ago. Thats the question. Wh