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Here is more on what is ahead. Novel. The u. S. Government indicted five officers with the Chinese Military for economic espionage. We are exposing the faces and names behind the keyboard. China says its a fiction. This is a wakeup call. Vladimir putin ordered troops near the ukranian border to return to base. We have been clear with the call for the Russian Military to deescalate. Withdrawal. The dictator doesnt want to step down. Sometimes the west has the assumption that dictatorship brings instability it doesnt. When we look for marines, the thing that we are looking for is someone that is hungry. A certain individual is attracted to this job. For the First Time Ever the Justice Department monday filed Cyber Espionage charges against a foreign government, china, accusing it of hacking into u. S. Corporate computers. The alleged hackers five officers in the p l. A. Army, members of a secretive unit 61 98 working out of a 12 Storey Office building. Known as the comment crew or shanghai group, they reportedly stole secret from firms including westinghouse, alcoa, u. S. Steele. Attorney general eric holder explains why they did it. They had unauthorised access to steal information from the entities that would be useful to entities in china, including stateowned. In some cases they stole trade secrets, beneficial to Chinese Companies at stolen. In beijing the Chinese Foreign minister insisted the u. S. Charges were based on fabricated facts, the Chinese Military, and relevant personal never engaged or participated in cyber theft of the trade secrets. Joining us from new york is the director from the council on Foreign Relations programme for digital and cyber space policy, and his latest book is advantage. Good of you to join us. Intelligence estimates claim that chinese espionage costs between 24 billion and 60 billion what are they trying to get and why are they causing damage is this. We see a broad range of targets. The chinese are interested in a number of high tech areas, new material, information technology, areas critical for future competitiveness and moving the economy up the value change. Attacks have been broad, and is a widely repeated statement that there are two types of companies those that have been attacked and those that dont know it. The impact we dont know what it has had on u. S. Competition and competitiveness and what the longrange effects will be. There has been a lot of talk in the p l. A. For a long time. There has been all sorts of novels written years ago about these guys. How long has it been going on, why did it take us so long to take action . The attacks on private Companies Really seem to have picked up pace around 2010, 2011 thats when we had the first google attack. Before that there were widespread attacks on u. S. Defense networks and contractors. I think the reason it took so long to respond is atribunal use is hard. We dont always know who is behind it and the u. S. Government didnt want to show its cards, how capable it was in cyber space, and how it could identify specific attackers. Industrial espionage has been around, is it something that everyone does, and this is a different way of doing . Cyber is different because of the scope and scale of it. In the old days you had a guy leaving the factory floor or the r d lab and he could take hundreds of documents, taking weeks, months or years. With Cyber Espionage you can download megabytes, ter abites and gigabytes of data in hours. The other issue is the u. S. Says we spy on other countries but dont do industrial espionage. Thats a hard sell. Thats what the u. S. Says. When it spies it does it for National Security purpose, not profit. Where china is concerned. Bonny glaiser said thats something you addressed this, is about them becoming a bigger power. Do you think theyll keep on stealing trade secrets if boosting the economy is they see it as a concern. I think they will, unless we raise the cost. Bonny is right. There is no distinction between economic and National Military espionage in china. They are concerned about national and economic power. The only way that will change is if theres costs to the chinese. We have been unable to actually impose any costs. Its been fairly cost free. We have been complaining about cyber theft for years, its been brought up with chinese leaders, no result. And china says the charges could jeopardy. Well have to see how the chinese retaliate. I think they are unlikely to go after u. S. Companies or officials the the retaliation has been to cancel a u. S. China working group. Well have to see as they mo forward if they, in fact, try to take it out on u. S. Companies or u. S. Government officials. How strong is our moral ground, china gaming its the victim of u. S. Theft and cyber surveillance, and according to edward snowden, the n. S. A. Built a back door into the chinese telekom that is considered a threat by the u. S. Are we doing the same thing we accuse china of doing . China never missed an opportunity to call us hypocritical. This shows that the u. S. Has been active in macking into chinese networks. U. S. Officials are making the distinction between the type of hacking that we do and the chinese do. Since some of the targets the United States has zone after, not only the chinese telekom company, and the Brazilian Energy company, petrogas, host difference. No one expects the chinese will turn the people over, but is a big part of this that the rest of the world better watch out or well come after them. Its to send a message that we are taking this seriously, and we are trying to created an international norm, that this should be a trade issue that others shouldnt go after private companies. I dont think well be successful. The u. S. Is not a particularly good messenger for that. Turning to the subject of your book to close, how can American Innovation overcome the challenge from china, if they secrets. Its a problem. We have basically built an International Trade system based on competitive advantage, and our advantage is innovation. China is lowcost manufacturing. The secret to the u. S. Is to invent of the next big thing ipod, electric cars, the internet of things or whatever else. The chinese hacking threatens that agreement, that International System that was built. And what it means is doing a better job of protecting ourselves. Billions of dollars and millions of jobs. Thank you for coming in. Thank you. Are we facing an inevitable war on terror. A year ago president obama said the United States is entering a new phase on the core of terror. He recognised that there were worries about a diffused threat by al qaeda affiliates in yemen and africa. America is at a crossroads. This war, like all wars mustnd. From a National Security agency to the c. I. A. , the focus has not changed. If anything, the war on terror is expanding geographically. And in the military personal, fighting it. Im joined by james kit field, a contributing editor to the National Journal and wrote a cover story the war after the war inside americas shadow war on terror and why it will neverened, amongst others. In an interview, when the predecessor took over from robert muller, he thought the threat from al qaeda had diminished but he underestimate it and how they had metastasized to include yemen, east africa and other areas, do you agree . I do agree. The narrative now is different. When you thought the combination of the top al qaeda leadership, the arab spring gave a counter narrative to Osama Bin Ladens call for a jihad against the local authorities. That was the only way to achieve change in the middle east. Its a different landscape now. The affiliates proliferated. They sank roots in syria, yemen, marley and are thinking about regional operations as we saw with the Westgate Mall attack in kenya, and a worry with foreign fighters flocking to the flag in syria, that when they come home, more than 1,000 in egypt. Them. You wrote that president obama wants deeply to convince americans that the era of war is over and we dont face a war on terror. But you argue the simultaneous operations in libya, to grab a terrorist and the one in somalia against the alshabab terrorists conducting the raid on the Westgate Mall, that they prove otherwise, that we are fighting a global war on terror. I think thats a look at the future. Once we get out of afghanistan, the idea that we will be the war on terror, if you will, its completely over. Its a little wishful thinking. I understand why president obama wants to shift the psychological focus of the American People as we pull out of the land wars. He doesnt want a war degrading civil liberties, because you have a populous thinking the next terror attack is around the corner. The reality is the shadow war has lethal consequences against islamic extremists that want to do harm, by multitask forces, special operations, c. I. A. That war will continue and has no end in site. You talk about the shadow war and twilight warriors and the drones that are a part of it. The latest global terrorism report from the state Department Found decentralization and proliferation of al qaeda led to a growing number of terror attacks 43 increase between 2012 and 2013. You had access to some of our counterterrorism operateses and you talked to the man who is the head of the Defense Intelligence agency and he believes the danger is growing. Thats correct. And that is part of that change in narrative that i mentioned at the top of the show. You know, for a while you could say that these alqaeda afill quats are local wannabes flocking to the flag to gape international prestige. The fact is in the last year the affiliates started to sing roots, build a terrorist infrastructure, and at some point the groups that have sanctuary in the different countries, who are talking to each other, communicating to al qaeda core and the person of zar hery, that looks like afghanistan of the 1990s, that gave birth to al qaeda and the taliban. You are seeing a lot of concern, where a year ago there was the idea that al qaeda, the core, is sort of significantly degraded and we dont have to wore i so much about al qaeda. Thats not what you are hearing now. You hear the affiliates, as the fbi director said, metastasized the cancer, and its spreading. They are sinking roots, holding more territory than before, and your biggest concern is syria. You are talking about afghanistan in the 80s, and 90s what is going on there with al qaeda affiliates is what is similar to what gave rise to Osama Bin Laden in al qaeda. I think thats right. You have a sectarian conflict with a charge component of islamic extremists flying under the flag. You have a conflict and they gravitate towards conflict. You have no governance where they established sanctuary. They crossed over into iraq and took fallujah and western iraq. They are starting to hold territory, building infrastructure, have training bases, attracting 10,000 foreign fighters to their flag. 1500 estimated from europe to the United States. They have western passports. 1990s. Its a big concern. You think the future is special Operations Forces fighting all over the world drones. Its not just special Operations Forces. Its the tip of the spear. This is a multi operational unit. Within 24 hours of the Westgate Mall attack, doing for instancics of that scene, trying to identify the attackers, that goes into the National Counterterrorism center, where its put into an intelligence pile that says we know who the guys are. The tip of that chain of events is either c. I. A. Or joint special Operation Forces snatch and cap spur operations. Its thought approach okaying. Good to have you with us. Thank you. Coming up, well look at the newest of the special forces. The Marines Special Operations Command and what the mission is. As the crisis in ukraine reaches fever pitch, russia is pulling back troops. N. A. T. O. Denies reports. Our social producer is tracking the top stories. Historic floods in the balkans are dredging up a dangerous problem from 20 years ago, let us know what you Al Jazeera America presents the system with Joe Berlinger mandatory minimums are routinely used to coerce plea bargains mandatory minimums the whole goal is to reduce gun crime, now weve got people saying this isnt fair. Does the punishment always fit the crime . Had the person that murdered our daughter got the mandatory minimum, he wouldnt have been out. The system with Joe Burlinger only on Al Jazeera America the 40,000 or so Russian Troops on ukraines eastern border got their marching orders on monday go back to your bases. At least thats what Vladimir Putin reportedly told them to do, less than a week before ukraine holds a crucial president ial election. While some units were on the move, the white house denied a real paul back was on the way. Its fair to say, we would know and say if the Russian Military pulled back. We have not seen any indication that that is the case. Prorussian separatists said there would be no election in the selfstyled donetsk republic. For more on the tense situation im joined from washington dc by ambassador william taylor, ambassador from 2006 to 2009, and is the Vice President for the middle east and africa for the u. S. Institute of peace. Ambassador taylor, good to see you. You will be travelling to ukraine to serve as an election observer and will be part of a team for international affairs. Where are you going. Way do you expect . I dont know what city i will be deployed to. I expect to see an enthusiastic group of ukrainians wherever im posted, voting for the next president of ukraine. The poles indicate that across ukraine there are great enthuse yaxes for going to the elections, and voting and picking the next president. Im looking forward to observing how free and fair these are. Election officials were forced to shut the last office by prorussian separatists. The u. N. s assistant secretary general yvonne simonovich had this to say. We do have information on a number of president s or Vice President s of electoral commissions conducted or treated with implications for a number of other members. There is intimidation. Abductions and intimidation. Should the election be held if that continues . The elections should certainly be held. Theres a small number of places where the separatists have some control and can intimidate people trying to put on good elections a small number of places. The vast majority of places where people will vote in ukraine next sunday are free and fair and secure and ready for the voting to take place. I would imagine that less than less than 100 or 200 at most out of 33,000 precincts that people will vote in will be affected. You think it will be that little. Over 14 of ukraine voters live in donetsk and lugansk, and the regions where the separatists are most active. There are millions of voters in those two regions. If they cant vote, how does that affect the election. No, thats is the point of the most of those most of the 14 of the population that lives in those regions, most will vote, and not have difficulty. There are a small number of separatists in a small number of cities, including the central districts of lugansk, and donetsk, who will not be able to vote. Those precincts will not be able to. They are small. The rest of that region, donetsk will be able to vote. Theres a lot of optimism over the roundtable talks involving most of the parties in the second round of those talks to restructure ukraines government in time for sundays election, took place over the weekend. The government wants to give local Government Authority over government. The prorussian separatists wants regional authority, and the talks adjourned without deciding anything, even a place and time to continue. Does that bode poorly for the future of those negotiations . These are serious negotiations, and those selfstyled separatists and selfappointed officials of the peoples run lick of donetsk are not represented there. They are not part of those negotiations. This is a discussion about the constitution of ukraine. Its among people who represent the people in the west and east and northern southern parts of ukraine. Those conversations need to fake place and need to be serious. They are not going to solve things in the first two meetings, its a process that has begun and it will devolve power in the regions and that may solve many problems. The leader whose profile is soaring at the moment is a billionaire, petro porashenko, hes leading, hes opposed to ukraine joining n. A. T. O. The Campaign Platform he has is built on security. He is nicknamed the chocolate king, but was a minister in the government of viktor yanukovych. He is believed to be prorussian. Known as a pragmatist is Vladimir Putins recent more conciliatory tone because of petro porashenko, that hes more comfortable and what he may mean for the future . Thats a good question. No one that i have talked to, and certainly