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Transcripts For ALJAZAM Consider This 20140218

Disturbing allegations against the regime in north key korea. Responsible for the crimes against humanity. Enslavement, rape, murder and torture. The venezuela president has ordered the expulsion of three u. S. Diplomats. This is coming as the country is entering the sixth day of protests. A huge setback for lay bar in the u. S. The volkswagon plant voted against joining the uaw. Our man jimmy fallon is taking over. We are bringing you the tonight show back to new york. It is a big night. We begin with a new report on quote unspeakable crimes in north korea and unprecedented warning from the u. N. The u. N. Investigators said that the leader and his Security Forces could face an International Trial for ordering widespread and gross Human Rights Violations and crimes against humanity based on state policies. Detailed in a new 372 page report, the chair of the u. N. Inquiry that wrote the report, compared the crimes to the nazis atrocities in world war two. Too many times in this building there are reports and no action, well, this is a time for action. We cant say didnt know. We know and anyone that wants to know can read the report. For more, im pleased to be joined by governor Bill Richardson a former new mexico governor and ambassador to the united nations. Thank you for being on the show. Thank you. We start by listening to Something Else that the chairperson had to say. At the end of the second world war, so many people said if only we had known, if only we had known the wrongs that were done in the countrys of the hostile forces. If only we had known that. Well now the International Community does know. Governor, now that we know, what are we going to do about it and is the u. N. Capable of action in this case . Well, first this is a very very strong report and the fact that the u. N. Documented these cases makes it more significant. We have had reports by human rights groups, by individuals of this kind of activity, now the fact that International Body with a prestige and power of the u. N. Now what happens next . That is the question. They have been sanctioned to death for the missiles and tests and so how do you punish it with sanctions . There are not many sanctions left. The problem practically is International Criminal court action has to be triggered by the u. N. Security council and examination, any war crimes charge, and there it looks like one of the five powers that can veto china would veto efforts if they felt this was against their interest. That is a potential veto by chee na while the United States, britain and france and possible russia, the other four powers with the veto power would want to push it. China is the key player. Once again as it pertains to north korea. You have to wonder if the alliance will hold with the charges in the report. This is horrific. Rape, murder, torture. A woman is made to drown her own baby, people tortured for watching a soap opera, children starved from birth,ing in the light of that, is this going to change anything . Well, north korea has not followed international norms. They are unpredictable. Possibly the new leader sees this and hes going to read it and perhaps there will be internal forces in north korea, moderate forces, in the military, in the political structure that say we are not going to get any assistance to the starving people, to our economy unless theres changes. Thats a limited but possible, possible course that might change things. I wouldnt count on it. But right now i think the best answer is some kind of engagement with their leader on this report and on the Nuclear Weapons reduction and on engaging with south korea and rekindling the Six Party Talks in reducing the tensions. Someone has to engage this guy, not dennis rodman. They have to moderate what is happening which is not good and we dont know about the new young leader and which direction hes going to go. On the one hand hes having human rights talk on reunification of families are south korea, maybe hes going to say im ready to talk and dialogue, hopefully that is going to happen. But their government totally rejected the accusations in the report and there are reference to the fact of hundreds of people in the north korea power structure that are war criminals and is there a danger of making them dig in further and not going to open and expose themselves to the war crime trials . There is that argument be a bunker mentality, but there already is and these guys are not talking to anybody and isolate themselves and they provoke other countries so it basically cant get any worse. My hope is that internally some of the military in north korea, the party structure, and perhaps kim will see it is time to change course. We are having a real, Real International outcry against us and maybe the time has come to negotiate on Nuclear Weapons, on the regime itself, on isolating ourselves a lot less than we have. This report might be a kindling. Im always an optimistic. It cant get worse. Going back to china, maybe a kindling there, china is named for aiding and abetting the crimes against humanity. Maybe the chinese getting involved in a more positive way . Yes, there is a chance. The chinese stopped the messages stopping the detonation of the Nuclear Devices and launching of missiles, stop the excuse, well they couldnt stop it but they are perturbed of what is happening. This behavior has to stop and the Chinese Government with this report and the pressing yur to do something might make the actions stronger than they have and maybe a slight change. But any slight change is welcome. A quick final question, over a year ago you went to north korea and try to arrange the release of kenneth bay, an american held there since november of 2012 and now sent to a labor camp and facing 15 years of hard labor and will this work make it worse for him . Hopefully, hopefully not, but it is unfortunate that the north korea is not treating him with the humanitarian act. They were supposed to turn him loose. That didnt happen because of the military altercations and maybe after this report cools down a little bit theyll see fit as a humanitarian gesture to let this korean american to return home to his family. Well, seeing the report and seeing hundreds of People Killed and camps ands a trosties, this is a horrifying thing to conceive of. Bill richardson thank you for being on the show. Thank you, thank you. Deadly protests have raised for close to a week in jenison after 15 years years of socialism, people are upset how an oil rich country has the violence and scarcity of the basic goods. We are joined by rachel from venezuela and rachel, you are in a center for the antigovernment protests and what is happening on the streets there tooed . Well, today there is a group of people marching to the ministry of communications and complaining that the government is censoring them here in venezuela and most of the media within the country is controlled by the government. So they feel they have been misrepresented. The government accused these student demonstrators of trying to overthrow the government and so today in the protests a lot of people coming out and basically denying the claims and denouncing the government and saying that it is continuing to sensor them. In fact, twitter itself said that they have been censored and twitter was blocked. I know that the government has control of all of the tv stations and media, as you said. They have also accused the United States of being involved in all of this and ordered the expulsion of three american diplomats. That is correct. On sunday, their president took to the air waves and said that he was going to expel three diplomats and accused of them meeting with the student organizers and providing them with visas and today with pressure is ratcheted up and the minister of Foreign Affairs said that those three had 48 hours to leave the country and the u. S. Is saying they denied the claims and they are not part of any movement or in contact with the groups that wish to overthrow the government so the Political Tension between venezuela and the United States has increased due to the protests that have started just under a week ago. Why is the venezuelian government focussed on the United States, is there a reason to blame the u. S. For any of this . Well, in fact, there has been evidence. There were wiki leaks that showed that the United States was involved with groups in venezuela that were hostile to the government. The United States has had a long history of being involved in latin america and supporting movements that they felt were contrary to the interests of the United States. So on one hand it is easy to dismiss this has paranoia, but there is a basis of the fact that the venezuelians are worried about the United States involvement but no proof is shown that any of the students were involved with trying to actually over throw the government or connected to the United States embassy, but the venezuelian government is very sensitive about this. The protests started because of inflation is highest in the world, and the crime rates are highest in the world and the central bank said a quarter of the time you cant get the basic goods, toilet paper to milk, how bad have things got in a very oil rich country . Inflation has been a problem in this country for the past several years and venezuela now has the highest inflation in the world and as you mentioned, a lot of times when you go to the market you cant get the things you need. Today i had to go and buy tennis shoes and if i were to pay the price of what the official exchange rate, those tennis shoes would cost 800, adidas, some you can get in the United States for 40. And the problem here in venezuela for everyone, that the cost of living is continuing to skyrocket, and an is a chief complaint among the people demonstrating and also the people supporting the government, it is a concern for them too, and the government said they are going to announce new plans to combat the rising inflation and help ease the economic pain, if you will, of venezuelians and we are awaiting for that announcement to come out. The tensions are high today because of large protests planned for tomorrow and the government threatened to arrest one of the main leaders of the opposition. Thats right. That leader is leo lopez and connected with the student protests and very open about what he and his spupporters wan. They are asking the government to leave. They want what they say sa a regime change. That is definitely taken by the venezuelian government as a threat to their power and accusing these people to overthrow the government and an arrest warrant issued for him last week. And on sunday, he sent out a video to his supporters calling for a mass demonstration on tuesday and saying that he would show up for the demonstration. Now if he does, the government may potentially decide to act on the threat and arrest him. So thats something that everyone here is going to be waiting and seeing tomorrow, a, if he shows up, and b, the governments response will be. Thank you for joining us. Coming up, a big car company encourages the workers to unionize and why the workers said no. One group is crying foul for being left out of a tabacco settlement. And what do you think, tell us on twitter at consider this or leave comments on facebook or google plus pages. Is the movement to yuanize the southern workers dying on the floor of the volkswagon plant and the work herbs voted against organizing with the uaw and volkswagon didnt oppose the yuanization. Is there hope for the unions to gain ground if they are not winning on the neutral ground and joining us the professor daniel cornfield from vanderbilt university. Thank you being on the show. Many are calling this a blow for the Union Movement and in this case volkswagon is open to, allowing the campaigning at the plant and how will any unions be able to compete if they have to actually go to other companies that are actually opposed . No doubt about it the result of the campaign was a set back for labor in the south and it was highly unusual because the employer, volkswagon, signed a neutrality agreement and saying they wouldnt interfere and the workers here decided they didnt want to have a union and thats even as the employer almost enkure enkurned the union. There was certainly a lot of activity going beyond a local battle, state and National Politicians and groups were involved. It was highly unusual the amount of outside political involvement in this campaign. The high ranking state officials here in tennessee and National Political forces strongly opposed the union and really delivered are usual message that an employer who would oppose unions would deliver and that is that unions jeopardize the job security and Economic Security of the workers and so almost like the Political Forces and politicians playing the role of the employer in a Typical Union election might oppose the union. That included senator bob from tennessee and is that the reason that the uaw is consider challenging the vote with the National Labor Relations Board that the politicians were saying that volkswagon is not going to expand and no more jobs if you vote in favor of the union . This is a highly unusual situation with the amount of political opposition at this high volume of political opposition existed there may not be a lot of precedent on the grounds that the union might have to challenge this, but certainly it might be a new area to ebbing expand into to see if the political opposition will hold. One of the major arguments against the unions is bringing up detroit and whats happened in detroit, conservatives blaming the citys collapse on the workers and look at what happened to the auto makers in detroit and they have struggled and they have shared the uaw. Is that a fair criticism . The detroit situation is so complex and to single out any one factor to why the u. S. Automobile industry may have suffered economically is probably very simplistic approach. In contrast, in tennessee, tennessee has a vibrant economy and even though the level of unions among the work force the relatively low here there are many very large corporations doing business in tennessee that have had a Union Forever and driving the economy, especially in the transport sector and it is doubtful aching the union to a Major Corporation would under mine the tennessee economy given that the tennessee economy is thriving with very large union companies. Some workers felt they didnt need the union, the average wage is 19 an hour and one of the workers said that we dont need the uaw to give us rights, we already have them. We already talk to the company if we have problems. Is that the issue that a lot of the companies are facing that the work conditions are actually pretty good at most of these plants . It is the case in any region of the United States the labor unions are having troubles organizing the unions in the large corporations. They are paying the union scale and provide union like Fringe Benefits to the workers in the absence of a union, in part to dissway the workers from yuan yuanizing all together and in that respect, this particular election is not surprising and would be unrelated to the southern location. Certainly an interesting vote given the history of the auto business. David, thank you for being on the show. Thank you. Switching topics now to americas bloody struggle in the broader middle east. The afghan war parallels to a 19th century war. Young Winston Churchhill served as a rother and military member. That story as been told by one of the most experienced foreign correspondents and joined here and defense editor for londons dally telegraph and author of churchhills first war. Thank you for having me here. You wrote about the war, and financely it is ruining us, it is on open question and politically is a blunder. Any chance a Young American officer out there now writing similar words . Well, i think anyone that served in afghanistan and looks at the book will see history repeating itself a little bit because clearly the campaign is complex, al qaeda didnt exist back then for example. But when you look at the way that the poll tickses conducted the come pain and the mess we are getting into as we are withdrawing by the end of the year and the possibility of the taliban coming back into power, clearly some people are going to argue that this militarily will end in a disaster. World powers getting into troubles in afghanistan over and over again over time. You are inspired to write the book by two american generals . Yes, in the current campaign, petraeus and crystal when running the nato drew up a program for defeating the taliban and when doing the research, what we are doing is what the brits did in the 19th century and by the way it is in a book. I thought the fact that modern generation of american generals were reading up on churchhills war there were parallels. The local tribes were known as talibans. Church was fighting the same tribes we are fighting today. In one case churchhill is fighting in a town, the same town where a young pakistani girl was shot and survived and he fought there and a number of parallels between that world and war and what we are seeing today, how in particular do you see that comparison living . Well, for the research for the booking , revisited the battlefield of churchhill and when i got there i had to be v

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