Radioactive material was hijacked. In the back of the truck was cobalt 60. Authorities say the thieves were likely exposed to a lethal dose of radiation. I am John Siegenthaler. Consid consider this is back. I will see you back at 11 00 eastern, 8 00 pacific time. Considering that young people were among obamas biggest supporters, i think its very significant. Young people have been big victims with government getting bigger, taxes going up, what do you find in europe . Very, very high levels of youth unemployment. Hello . Same things now happening to americas young people. I think the lack of upward mobility is a huge stachallenge nots just for young people, for lower income people generally and obama thinks the answer is to make government bigger. Thats, i think, what caused the problem. I want to get to that in a moment. David, based upon what we have seen, it seems he is not concerned about the did he haed lets listen to that. We should not be stuck in a stale debate from two years ago or three years ago. A relentlyly growing deficit of opportunity is a bigger threat to our future than our rapidly shrinking fiscal deficit. David, rapidly shrinking, the deficit is going down. Is he ignoring our growing 17 trilli 17 trillion debt and a deficit higher than the one he received from his predecessor . The debt is higher. We would be in much better economic shape and young people would have better Job Opportunities if we werent shrinking so fast. We have gone from 10 , basically what he inherited down to 4 of the economy and on the way down to 2 by the end of the president s term. If he were not to doing this about spending and we were invest can in the future, in education, research, we are seeing American Research going to china and we are not spending tax dollars on basic research, which corporations dont do. Thats always been done by government. So, neither the finding about young people is surprising, nor is the president s focus. Yeah, we have brought down the deficit is what he is saying, significantly, 90 of americans seem to be unaware of this. David, there are more than 10 million americans receiving disability benefits. 47 million on food stamps . Yeah. Torn in 4 million on longterm, getting unemployment benefits. The president s initiatives call for more spending. We still have a very big deficit and a very big nut to pay to foreign countries. Is more spending the way to go . We are not paying to other countries. Thats a misunderstanding to what the deficit is about. The United States government kate never go broke so long as it is a cough ren with monopoly control of its currency. The reason we have people on disability, people work until they cant and when the economy turns bad, employers reasonably and i have been an employer and had to meet payroll. Those are the people you let go, people who cant really perform the job. So we always see in a recession a rise in debiliisability indications. But without a question, our biggest problem is jobs. We should have 9 million to 11 million more jobs than we do. And we dont because we are slashing federal spending much too quickly. We are not investing in it and we have created a host of policies that encourage companies to move jobs offshore and to not reinvest. Dan, lets stay on the point of spending. People who receive these government benefits, food stamps in particular generally need that money. They go right out and spend that money. Isnt that stimulus that would be important to the economy at this point when it still hasnt fully recovered . Well, thats the okay, take money out of your left pocket to put it in your right pocket, you are somehow richer. It didnt work in 2008 and didnt work for obama in 2009. It didnt work for hoover and roosevelt in the 30s. Borrow money from the private sector and had the government spend it, you dont create more wealth. You are simply increasing the burden of Government Spending. I actually agree with david. I dont worry a lot about deficits but where we would disagree is i think Government Spending diverts resources for more productive uses as well as things like food stamps and disabilities, you create dependency and lure people into this trap of relying on the government and they lose their self esteem. They lose their ability to contribute to the economy. Again, all we have to do is look at the mess in europe to see where that path takes us. And what worries me about obama is we are not going to deal with inincome ine quiltty and mobility unless we take the chains of government off of the economy. Lets take talk about these mixed signs on the disney. Consumer confidence is down. But on the other hand, it looks like private sector hiring is up. We have numbers that came out today, fairly positive. On the other hand we had home sales going up 25 in october. On the other hand, Holiday Retail sales have been weak. So, dan, the economy, something or has it really just started to turn around . The numbers, it could be a statistical blip, but in general, in general, compared to europe, we are doing okay. We are having two growth or so averaging out over, you know, several quarters. Now, with that being said, we used to have 3 average growth. So we are suffering compared to our normal pattern, and i agree with david, if this was a normal business cycle, we would have nine to 11 more jobs perhaps. But where we disagree again is how do you get those jobs . And i think bush, i mean obama, like bush, is making the mistake of going with the route of bigger and more federal intervention and i think we should be more like hong kong. The biggest Government Intervention thats coming is obamacare. Listen to what the president had to say about that. The law is working in major way that benefits millions of americans right now, even as we have begun to slow the rides of healthcare costs, which is good for Family Budget did and good for federal and state budgets, and good for the budgets of businesses, small and large. So this law is going to work. And for the sake of our economic security, it needs to work. Is he right, david . Well, we need to have it work. America is spending for every dollar per person, on an equivalency basis, the other 33 modern countries in the world spend and they all have universal healthcare, many of them with no outofpocket charges, for every dollar they spend, we are spending 2 and 64 corrects. K killing us, thats nonsense. I dont know how the doctors, an airline pilot. Nobody shops for airline pilots. We expect the airline produces someone who knows what they are doing in the cockpit of the plane when we trust them with our lives. What obamacare does is addresses the free rider problem. Thats people who dont buy insurance that ends up costing the taxpayers because we, in effect, insured them. This is an idea, by the way, promoted by dans former employer, the heritage foundation. I would argue we would be much better off if we had universal, singlepayer healthcare because all of our competitors do and they are Getting Better results for less money which ought to be our focus. I am sure dan would like to weigh in on that but i want him to weigh in on st. Louis quickly if you can, dan, to close this off because the president s speech got virtually no play on network news tonight. It got very little play on the big news aggregators, cnn. Com. So after the failure of the obamacare website over the past couple of months, has the media and the nation started to tune him out . What does that mean . Because is the economy dependent on the president to get things going . I think the economy would be a lot better if the president would get out of the way and stop trying to help because what he proposes of policies are the problem and i am not basing it on a partisan point because bush got us in with big government. Obama is digging us in deeper. Why is the media not paying attention . He is giving the same speech, more government, higher taxes, more intervention, more regulation. I guess we ought to have automatic french translation because its french economic policy. Dan mitchell and david k. Johnson, appreciate you joining us to talk about this tonight. Thank you. Thank you. Switching topics now from the economy and freedom for financial equality for freedom for some of the smartest animals. The nonhuman rights project filed a habeas corpus suit in an effort to win release from a cage for a 26yearold chim pans e called tommy. The suit will file for a 26yearold cheek named kiko and two used in a research lab. The nonhuman rights project says it plans to file suits on bhaichld of gorillas, champ pansees and elephants, whales and dolphins. For more, i am joined in our new york studio by steven weis, the president of the nonhuman rights project. I know your group said that chim pans ease are selfaware and ought often muss and to be recognized as legal persons with fundamental rights. What rights should they have . Right now, they dont have any rights at the owner wouldnt live there. Worst of all, perhaps, he is by himself. He is in solid area confinement without having committed any crime. The owner said he has tried to put him in a sanction wary and has not been able to get him . Call me. Call me. Call me. I will get him in a sanctuary. Some members of the medical Research Community, however, are very opposed to this. This is a quote from the National Association for medical research. He told the science insider website assigning rights akin to what humans have would be chaotic for the Research Community and doctor susan larson, an anatomist at storage brook studying the way chimps move, everything i do with these animals i have done on myself. I understand Animal Rights act visits dont want these animals studied. Champ pans e studies played important roles in developing medicines for humans. People say shouldnt humans come first . Well, the former head of nih last june said he had drunk the cool aid of animal experimentation. He thinks it was an error. The directliar of the nih is the one who said, we want to we dont think they should be used any more in nih sponsored. They are holding 50 back now that i think those 50 are going to go to sanctuaries. Where would you want them to go . Sharoninguaries. But they cant go there. So, we have a ranarranged with nap the north american prime mate sanction wary alliance. They have seven sanctuaries throughout the u. S. And thats where we want tommy and leo and hercules and kiko to go. I know you want other animals, other high intelligence animals like elephants and the others we named. Where do you draw the line, though . Pigs are supposed to be extremely smart. Anyone who has a dog knows how dogs have feelings and how much they react and how much they care about their human companions. So where do you draw the line on giving animals rights . We are not claiming that intelligence or feelings is a sufficient ground for giving them rights. What we are saying is autonomy is that when you are selfaware, you can self determine, you can choose how to live your life free from anything like the way we are. Right. Part of the resistance you are so much, many religions are based upon humans being different because we are selfaware, because we are the only ones supposedly can understand there is a past and a future and that we can reason. The reality is we now find many animals can do it. Champ pans ease can reason and they know well whats going on in the past and they can anticipate the futuretion including a future in which they are held until solitary confinement. What about animals at nice zoos where they are kept comfortabley and pieces that are endangered and where the propagation of the species depends in many cases on these breeding programs in captivity . We are just talking about trained champ pans e right now who are in a private domain, in ma cement domain. Is it okay to have them in a miami zoo or the San Diego Zoo . I dont know. I know that they should be in large social scrapes and cared for in a way that looks after their interests. Thats the difference between a thing and a person. A thing is invezible and invisible and alive for the benefit of a person. A person lives for himself. And so you would have someone who would be caring for the champ pans ease for her own good and not the good of the owner. Are you concerned if you lose, as someone has said, it may be worse for the animal . No. We are in a strategic litigation campaign. Judges havent heard this. We dont really expect to win much in the first level. But i think as time goes by, judges will see that our legal argument and the Science Behind this is well founded. Its a very interesting topic. Thank you. Coming up, why is the man who helped the u. S. Get bin laden in prison and facing new charges with little chance of release . Our social media, hermella is tracking the top stories on the web. Whats trending . What if you were rejected not for lack of experience or skills because of your legal, offduty habits. Thats what one company is doing. I will explain. What do you think . Join the conversation on twitter at ajconsiderthis. And on our facebook and google plus pages. Power of the people until we restore our freedoms and r a man who helped catch bin laden, a pakistani doctor enabled the u. S. To pinpoint where the worlds most wanted man was hiding and he has been hit with a new murder charge. For more on the fate of him is matthew akins, an afghanistanbased journalist who the writes for rolling stone, the doctor, the cia and the blood of bin laden. He jones us from pakistan. Great to have you with us. The doctor was arrested after the bin laden raid in may of between but he wasnt arrested. Lost the audio feed. Do you have it, matthew . Can you hear us . It was revealed that cigna will Start Testing employees for nick teen. If you smoke or use e cigarettes you wont be able to get a job with the major insurer. It will be implemented in 21 states where its legal including massachusetts, arizona and only impacts new hires. A company told al jazeera, cigna believes the company has a responsibility to encourage employees to be healthy and to help cigna customers lead a healthy life. Cigna is not the first to do this. Companies who go after airlines have implemented similar policies. I hate smoking but its not illegal. Whats next . Next . Testing for caffeine . Susan says what cigna is doing isnt illegal. Smoker is not a protected status and the law allows drug testing. Mey. Aj. Com. Antonio, back to you. Thanks hermella. We will try to get back to pakistan in just a moment when we come back from the break. If i am remembering history correct, the power to heal the sick just by looking at them. In fact, every member of the royal family has that power. Its true that the true fact, yep, the royal gaze of restoration. They just choose not to use it because they are selfish. That, of course, is will ferrell as ron burgundy with the year in review. If you go by yahoos top searchs miley sicyrus came in five spot ahead of the healthcare player and with robert thompson. He joins us from syracuse, new york, the wire center for television and popular culture. Great to have you guys with us. Lets put up the top 10 list, my lee cyrus, the queen of the year overcoming the power of kim car dashian number one last year, all of the twerking did the trick for her. Its exciting for her where kim car dakar dashian has been the list since 2009. She is elated. Crazy like a fox. It worked very well for her doing what she did at the video music awards. One surprise here, bob, and themes things happen every sing year is that more women are on this list at the top than men. The only man in the top 10 is Justin Beiber and he is in 10th place. There are amount of women, and that makes us think, this is wonderf wonderful. We are reaching some kind of cultural gender equity but you go down the list. Unfortunately, a lot of the women who are on the list are on the list for being a little bit crazy. Including my lee certa yylee. Salina gomez is the only one who isnt tainted with one thing or the other. Maybe the gender progress isnt as much as we thought it was. Maybe she broke up with a guy. Correct. High on the list. Number 5 breaks up with number 10. Thats why she is number 5. She won, though. She won. But, you know, you just mentioned jody ar ias. Lets put up the top 10 news stories this year. Thats what struck me the most when i saw this was that jodi ar ius was number 1. This was a trial that had no real news value. It was completely tabloid. We thought it was something we would never talk about this no matter what happened. Why in the world are wie capit l captivated by scanned lus trials that have no meaning beyond the trial, you know, a woman just killed her boyfriend . You are right. That was a local story. There were hundreds of things much more important. Some places, headline news. It became the jodi ar ius channel. Once you started watching it, while it wasnt an Important News story, it was terribly compelling the way she behaved during that trial was mistifying and confusing, and she was fascinatingly bizarre. The story, itself, was compelling. We make make these things up in crime shows. This was the real thing. I understand why people took to this stuff like catnip when it was given to them. I am less for giving of the news operations who decided to give it 10, 12, 13 hours of coverage of this per day. These tabloid scandals. All of the thing of people getting crazy and getting in trouble. Speaking of repress, we also have a list of the top expressions which were put together as a combination of search volume and biggest leaps from last year. Put one up. One was duck dynasty. That was a reality show and two scripted shows, breaking bad and walking dead, the apocalypse stuff. Why sort of a focus on cable when not as many watch those shows compared to the big networks . I think fem real finding them compelling. A lot you have to watch the night of. The cable shows fit nicely into that schematic of watching em sewed after episode. No drama shows. One show was a network show. Lets look at the hawaii question. And on that one, weve got some interesting stuff on this one, too, and 1 of them has to do specifically with one character. De pablo. How did that happen . Two of your top 10 why questions. You know, involve one character on a network t. V. Show . There was massive curiosity about this. And one the top rated shows of all of Television Network and cable but on top of that, i think because she wouldnt say why she was leaving and nobody would talk about why she was going the answer remains in the midst. Some of the questions people ask are not surprising. Wh