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i chose as might be linked to high levels of toxic chemicals and the syrups calling for them to be pulled from pharmacy shelves. the stream is coming up next asking what it's gonna take to bridge divisions in parade. ah, now jazeera with every oh ah welcome to the stream i'm after sabot dean. protests are intensifying and peru and the president is under pressure to resign amid widespread anger over the killing. a dozens of people protesting the removal of her predecessor as being boulevard se rejects calls to step down the crisis is highlighting proved entrenched, social and economic inequalities. today we look at the divide and asked how it can be bridged. joining us for today's conversation, al jazeera correspondent, marianna sunset, joined us from lima. renzo eroni historian an anthropologist focusing on peru in the wider latin american region, joins us from new york. and also in new york, eduardo gonzales, quaver, a human rights consultant. and so the ologist, welcome everybody. of course you can join the conversation as well. send us your comments and questions for our panel and we'll put it straight to them. marianna, i want to ask you with the latest, i mean, you know, we've looked at the story now for a few weeks as it's developed. looking back to december, when things sort of were all sparked off, i mean, what really triggered this in your mind. what's important to know? well, i think this, this straight, this was triggered by the ousting of precedent for president bill cassie, who was going to be impeached that day. but who decided to in part of the trade could tie against his own government. by ordering the army to take the army of the police to take over the control of the street and also the judiciary, especially the rest of the prosecutor who was investigating him for on corruption allegations, corruption. but i think down the gown it. what happened is that when he was elected in july, or in april of the year before it, 80 percent, i would say of people in the south of the country voted for him. and he had promised a lot of things during this time he promised after he came to office and invited me years and prefect to the presidential palace offered them irrigation project. or agrarian reform form of the constitution and so on. and so they went back to their communities with all these promises after feel was the pressure there. so i think that what happened is that one of your left the presidency, people saw all these promises fading away. and they decided they did not want to give up to them. so many people have been talked talking to not only in the protest here in the mail, but in the highlands of the country were a lot of people live in very poor condition that they say, well, it's not really about you anymore. is about the promises he made to us and since we bought it for him, we want those promise revert and that's why they are. yeah, that's where they're approach and marianna, as you said, that sentence, i mean both of our other guests nodded. and i want to come to you run so i mean, it seems like people feel betrayed, not necessarily by him, but by the system they feel under represented are not represented at all. what can you share with us from sort of the rural, southern indigenous perspective, the people who have been the most marginalized for decades now, what is, what do they want? what's their demand? yeah, thank you. questions? yes, maria, and say about this community to come home and dr. us out in december and 2022. so basically we can re quote just for the migration, but she tried the support, the align with the right wing congress on the military and caught this evidently immensity in the south. the return that massive. they bought it for you during the 2021 election on what team at the beginning of the process or the most today shows for the pending on his release from prison, told me to organ. because like when you promised, including a formation of the can see for especially for those people who were marginalized and a indeed you know, poor people from the id from the amazon much. and i say for public sector one centers who hungry enough to see some sort of change after the 5 minute time. and then they did a crunchy rent. i forgive me for interjecting if i may. i mean, i do want to come to you edwardo for your take on what we just heard. maybe if you could contextualize this 4th, but before i do marianna, we have a video report that you filed for us here at al jazeera that i want to share with our audience. just to give us a sense, more about the context, what's going on, take a listen. hundreds of police force the way into that is oh, this university has to have to. we had allowed protesters to stay there for peruvians who traveled to lee meant to protest against proceed in dina wouldn't let it be more than 200 people were arrested. but when they were taken to the counter terrorism, police headquarters, the anger only deep. i know anyone, deborah edwardo as we heard this is really about inequality. this is about a deepening divide. when you see that report, when you hear edwardo, what we heard from marianna and renzo, what's missing for our audience to understand. i mean, what is really contributing to this in this moment? i unfortunately, yeah, go ahead. now i can hear you go ahead. no, go ahead. i was saying that the crew we go through very good seasons week or 20 year old or for both of you. marty, are concerned about the fail on there was a combination of demonstrations and institutional changes that brought about the end of that particular you know, ask there are more hill data. where was commission where we need to put all history for many of the things. but i see that transition and regional thing under the dance team is served. the constitution that was read them hopefully murray a few years back. but it kept them on the moment that function under for the money . so we made a transition that lesson for legal transition. we made all music human rights, but we did not change the constitution with change to me, the quantity, so you know, wait while you want to see me, but it was what you saw in 3 years ago. right, we people that are reconfigurable to talk about the theme, what is to be they will get the modem, but the constitutional so that is a supervision right? definitely going to being the image. is that money and i was presenting? yeah, i mean you can move the money in highland eighty's. hopefully we'll see you in the very 50, invaded in this way. but the university in galen, or one of the few social mobility, i mean these people who think that they don't know probably in the lifetimes of pain economy, it's hope that their children will through integration through schools, through you do and also to see the police coming on destroying the gate, so if you knew or if you'd be accusing the people in the rest of your interest, there are already or some sort of trauma. and, you know, i appreciate you kind of explaining to us what that feels like for the people who are watching this as this unfolds on television, on tv internationally. we have a lot of people picking up on some of the sort of issues you talked about castillo castillo, i should say, being only the 2nd president, born outside of lima, to be elected since 956. and i want to talk about those deepening divides, but as the protesters now move closer and closer to my, it seems like there's more intensity happening there. i want to share with you what one activist on the ground, how to say they sent us this video. this is my 100, take a listen. the peruvian government is systematically committing human rights abuses . there are cries that this is no longer a democracy because there is no right to defense. there is no rights to protest against the government. people are being arbitrarily detained, simply for being in the general location of a protest simply for being in their own homes. filming police outside of their homes, who are indiscriminately shooting directly up the bodies of protesters who are simply passers by. people have been tear gas within their own homes, simply for yelling from their windows, stop shooting at them. and why when you hear the way she frames that. i mean we've seen the images. we know security forces are shooting some protesters in the chest in the head. and ever since the president called the national state of emergency, it seems like not only have the protests intensified, but so have the crack down the attempts by the police and the military. if you will, to restore you know, security. so what concerns you most, i mean, in terms of where you think this is headed in the immediate few weeks, is there any way that the president can sort of resolve this being herself, you know, from an indigenous community, much like kasteel working to be completely under international law, a stapleton emergency bus, no allow a woman to kill him. here's a sample for emergency needs. are certain good. and the 3rd thing for him, if he doesn't mean that the police shoot to kill the mosquitoes on hope to control the migration, i shouldn't be sharp what he's talking today. now i do too much agree with what we've heard a minute ago. he's in my opinion, my money on the international criminal law or grandmother's, you money, omitting in all possible waves. it's either i give it a life park and we are seeing that or east. there must be put on him something out of the information that he's coming from. we can see the police shooting of the book. so what is happening right now to be sort of start appears that the members will do for me, are invoking international, interesting to really this year equals crime. so these are might give me just a sponsor of the content for me. now the other dimensional. so what is going well going is when people are doing during this way, yeah, i won't any kind of political solution. we're only going to see a worsening my short range. i'm or marianna, you wanted to jump in i what i want to, yes, i want to uh, what was trade? what the government is saying is that the majority of people in the country do not want to protest that they want to work. and that the protests, the roadblocks are contributing, contributing to miss function of the government, the books for the children that will begin schooling 2 months. one cannot be taken and around the country. medicines, medical equipment can't be distributed and that has to be done. and that kind of stop course everything is it's true. but like one of the one thing that does not give the government the green light to, to, to, to have to allow the security forces for the excessive use of force. my feeling was the apple of days ago when we were at the anti terrorist headquarters where all the detainees from the university for medical have been taken is that it was a small group of active us. the were in a corner. the were like, i don't know, a mid or meters are from the front door and the police pushing everyone back into the streets where there was traffic just because i thought the, the feeling is i don't want anybody to protest. right. and that seems to be, and that seems to be kind of what is causing all the more outrage i want to ask you rent though, when you, you know, you, when we try to identify the major problems, it seems like there are so many different factors, right? that have been compounded whether it's the drought, whether it's how hard co bid in the pandemic hit the peruvian people. whether it's the lack of health care education, or even the fact that now they're not allowing people to protest and the state of emergency is taking away their civil rights. what to you is the most dangerous thing that's happening right now. the thing that is angering them, the majority of the people i think of it because this abandoned me, the genus people from that i need not catch while i might have people who are now not only struggling for their rights or basic mississippi's, but also for the right, to be recognized as those that the carpet as you see a political why not to chose on the part of this estate in nature building. and so they become pretty much like a good leader organized. it's from the base that one to be here out from federal censor, like a country that basically remark he started selling marking and now they have to come to the street to the main square and more we like even to lee mark where the time, you know, be here because that way how maybe they're going to pay attention to that. and so that's something that i see more no more in this in this market. what would you say? so yeah, and martin and maria, and i see that please, please, before i, before i hear from you, i just want to allow our audience to hear from one of those people on the ground of that marginalized community. let's hear it in her words. and then we'll come right back to marianna, take a listen. what the most of them of me feel marginalized, despised treated like miss fitz and terrorists. it hurts us to be marginalized, and they say that we a difference. it's not fast and we just want them back to life. that will be locked up. we are in the streets because the people reject boulevard say, how is it possible that she asks for a dialogue while killing more than 50 can patry it's that is why the people will never stop fighting until she resigned some other kind of stuff. i don't. marianna, a lot of the allegations of a per, you know, kind of corrupt, political class of not being represented, but also hearing their grievances, they're outlined. what was it that you wanted to add? yeah, yeah, i think i wanted to add i think the fact that things are spiraling in the, in the country. it is the way the police and the army are reacting to the protest. violence is not well received in the streets. and of course, there are violent protesters as well, but the violence that the security forces are, are showing with, especially with, with fire using firearm. if is, is simply making people react with more violence and people say to you on the street. i don't care if i die. i am going to fight until i die for my children. and so, and to allow me one more thing that is please very important is that there are no political costs. in these 55 deaths already. we have seen to, to new into ministers, but the defense minister who was told that was the defense minister when the 1st big number of people killed. it could happened on one day, 10 people killed by firearms when they were trying to overtake the airport. and the army opened fire, she was not, she was not set, he was awarded after that with the position of prime minister. so people see that in the streets and they think that there will be no justice for the people that have died. and, you know, i was nodding as you were saying that, i mean, so much of this is about a divide right between the political, let's say, corrupt ruling class, at least the per perception of the people and then a large swath of the country. and you know, i want to share with their audience very quickly. if i may, there's this tweet that that's going around online, a map of the regions and prove that we're hardest hit by severe drought late last year. as you can see here in the south, and there's a correlation in terms of the road blockades. now that are being put in place by the protesters. now, i can't guarantee that this is 100 percent accurate, but it does give impression that they are almost are to peruse with that in mind. edwardo, i want to ask you, i mean, this extremely fragile political system that you discussed. and then the reality of the compounding nature of the crises, the fact that there is a crack down. where will that lead? what is your fear? and how should, how should that help us understand this moment and what might happen? well, the sort of seem to understand he's not the usual shows, indeed a correlation between a drought brokers, but it could also show a relation between games. and then we can protest and we show also the correlation . enormous difference. also, lima leads regarding the rest of the content. some being having seen those areas, some people must be on there. and i see that the column bought me the moral cynical calculation that you saw were killed in both areas. nobody. so what we are now when the purpose moves to lima is we are going to find out whether people really care about what we should do, demonstrators and citizens. so a system that be working on a political lead that these, these project this month. i really work for monday, but we are going to sort yeah, that is why right now i'm asking you to dialogue membership. anything directly her to go to step down and of course she had made that promise right, that she would eventually not stay forever. so that's another concern. i do want to hear from her directly where she was kind of mocking. if i can say or making allegations, but a lot of the protesters are simply being blackmailed. take a listen and you back home will need and communities, le, hi, andy and regions. the sisters and brothers who go out to protests are being blackmailed. they are being coerced. they are told, if you don't go to march, we will ask you for a fee. if you don't but to march, we will cut off your water supply. and if you don't go to march, we will burn your house down. you know, i found that jack, yeah, that nothing can get off. so marianna, that was on january 17 and you know, obviously are there been claims that, you know, there's just a lot of vandalism, equating the protest movement with vandalism, a lot of misinformation as well online allegations about the ambassador, a former cia veteran meeting with the you know minister as right before everything unfold that, i mean, i'm not trying to peddle conspiracy theories, but when you hear the president saying that what comes to mind is that helping the situation though it's not, it's showing a lack of understanding to, to say the least. i want to