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In the 1st episode of rebel on his hector santiago, seato Heather George al jazeera, into the realm of phil fields in spain. Gorilla, architect on out to 0. Ah, it is hard to comprehend how Something Like this could happen. How in 1994 poured so fruit, you malicious would roam the streets and countryside of one to looking for tutsis to kill. It is difficult to comprehend why they would turn on their neighbors, their friends, and in some cases, members of their own families. It was a killing spree that lasted 100 days and claimed 800000 lives more than a 10th of a population was lost. It is also hard to comprehend who could instigate such an atrocity. This is the story, a computer, the robot he and his Radio Station, i do me a colleague or a t. M played in the london genocide. And how could i get managed to if i justice for 26 is a city public by the gentle seed is not possible to talk about the genocide because its talking about for to see a couple of he was the financial of a who where they like it it was a Radio Station run by genocide i do and looks all day long. It was used to insult on demonized choices to save a while. It comes with one guy up here. If you a call to see, for example, cockroaches, they would refer to the mis snakes, they were trying to objectify them in distance rwandans from one another. What do you do is when youre the humanizing a group of people before the actual active, please makes it a lot easier for people who are actually sent on the foot soldiers to do the work worker over here. From the very beginning it just started with genocide the agenda few days before it even went to an air, a publication quote camera on its front page advertising at him. They said, now the 2 tis, i finished from day one till m would expose historic divisions within the country. Wanda is majority who 2 and minority chuncy. However, historically, the 2 groups were not divided by necessity, but by plush. The trustees were seen as the leads the hutus as subordinates, then colonialism. First, the germans, in 1884 than the belgians. In 1916, both colonists implemented ethnic hierarchies with europeans at the top. In the tutsis, in the hutus, the minority trustees were charged with funding. The country effectively become a colonial proxies. The majority, hutus were excluded and that started as a classified bested into ethnic hatred. In 1959. If you choose to color from the tutsis in a blood, so revolution, independence and colonial rule followed 3 years later, back the fear of civil return. It lingered on and over the next 3 decades. They were outbreaks of ethnically motivated, find in hundreds of thousands of to see refugees into neighboring countries by 900. 33 you will kill them, was launched. Phoenician ca bigger and his gen station could play on those entrenched fears and resentments of the, to me more than what youre all the new station needed listeners and the strategy are till and put in place at a target demographic fcl im played really good music. I think it was the weight of what for to be knew in particular that people who own the Radio Station wants stupid, which they use music to engage listeners. And then in the middle of a truck they would cut straight to the messages. Okay. Oh, oh. When one of the gym said to begun, the Musical Instruments were so nice to the young people who even feel like dancing and dancing using with it. M a should to as the attacking the victims, evil genius. How you into 10 killers as, as a way of taking away the gift. This is what a r t m did. Ah miss clellan mika, that eddie, my name is valerie b. Immediately. I am 65 years old and currently imprisoned in henry county prison for participating in the genocide against etc. Valerie bimmer ricky was a popular presenter on artillio m. O vocal. No, i would love with her for rob. She openly and repeatedly called for the murder of the churchy soften by name. And when the killings began, payment, vicki help coordinate the who to malicious, known as the, into the hum way by revealing the whereabouts on air of tutsis and any moderate hutus who were in hiding a run. Hopefully, she told her listening, quote not to kill the cockroaches with a bullet, but cut them to pieces with a machete. Off to the genocide, benedict fled to the congo, but was arrested in 1999 and sentenced to life in prison. When ost, were compelled her to incite such mass murderous violence. Memory. Keep blame it on fear of her employer, but a deal meal. Colleen and the man at the top. Each of you sick when we did the initiative, they put in police what was called a steering committee, led by any stackable guy. They would tell us that if we didnt do, uh, what time would be conceded a complete says of the cockroaches, the tutsis we would be viewed as treated just like watching. So we had to save our own lives. As with the catalyst for the genocide occurred on april 6th, 1994 learned wonders, who to president juvenile hopping him on his plane were shocked. Artillio was the 1st station. 10 of the news they blamed on tootsie rebels. But in the days leading up to the crash listeners say that they were being told to stay tuned for a big event. It was later established that the assassination was carried off by 2 extremists wanting to sacrifice a group to president in order to trigger the genocide. Catherine bond was a freelance journalist based in nairobi at the time when use of happy amount of stiff burke. She scrambled to god and would soon experience 1st hand the insidious nature of archie limbs, bull costs. Catherine bond, california kigali. We were able to get a lift on a convoy of french troops going into kigali into the cent kigali to pick up a expanse heads. And at that point, radio mill, colleen had cooled, people out to greet the french troops. And so we saw people here come out out of their houses, alongside the road. When we passed back along the same spot, they were just lines of a peoples bodies. And it transpired that radium meal clean hood cold, everybody out to greet the french. And then in doing so, people who come out of their houses, who took seats in hiding and the who to militiamen had moved in and killed them. You concede, footages to didnt footages of killers on roadblocks holding a machete in one hand and a radio. The other day, whenever someone picked up a machete to kill, it was often because we had guided them to where people hiding. We used to get the information from soldiers, politicians, but also for the city. Our listeners who used to calling to artillio, im see, we just saw some coaches that he would then would cause that information. And he made a homely and soldiers knew exactly what to do. Kazi, on sunday, when i had my name read out to him, the radio went cold, cold to my stomach. I thought its over for me, were going to kill me. In 1994 sean pearson, who used to sell music cassettes in the London Capital t got some of those cassettes contained songs that were popular with tootsie rebels went out a t l. M. A quiet one of the casino played it on there and they called psycho who to out by name. He knew that they were putting a target on his back. So he went into hiding in a septic tank. Is a few wanted them want the i entered my whole with a small read. You listen to taylor solidly for a week. They used to say japan lives in this neighborhood. You have to cut you. You have to kill him. Hes been a dangerous. If you dont kill him, hes going to kill you worked through, but that was it with all day long after a wife my buttress Ronald Ronald because i stayed in my home for 2 months on 15 days. Tom and that ceo is one of the leading experts on the rwandan genocide whose lifes work has been to document the atrocities that were committed in the lead up to the genocide and the heat. Oh says that one of the few moderate hutus in government appeal to could be got to stop after them from inciting the mass murder of the tutsis, little one and in november. And then tim and to 3, the o t l m a was it was some wanted you by the then minister of his mission, however and couple got hid the delegation. A villa told that the renewal was incendiary and was in safety. On the genocide douglas, the tutor this wanting approval was not respected. And instead the minister and his family were put to them. He waited on the 7th over pro mentality for our children. Had multiple shareholders thank suited for london, president juvenile hobby amana and members of his administration. And those ties to government would prove critical. The study conducted in 2014 concluded that who to militia violence increased significantly in villages without chill m reception. The further the station signal traveled, the more tutsis would be killed. Ha ha ha ha rather for the real world with him and it was no accident that villagers across the country couldnt shoot in to supposedly privately owned peggotty based Radio Station. That would, under normal circumstances, have limited reach. Ill tell them was meant to reach the lowest administrative area in the country because apart from their own transmitters, they were being facilitated by the National Read you. They had some links with rhonda state radia away to rhonda and they used it some transition signals and some of its resources. When youre talking about the genocide in the site to minister genocide, you after talking about it to them good deal to one of the world watched as for wonder toward self or pot. The United Nations reduced its peacekeeping force from 2500 trips to just 5 all over the world. There were people like me, us president bill clinton would like to apologized to london for americas in action, saying he was unaware of the scale of the killings who did not fully appreciate the depths and the speed with which you were being engulfed by this on imaginable terror, hes administration knew what was going on, washington even consider targeting off bombing the stations antenna, or jamming a signal by flying a plane overhead. The latter option at a 1500. 00 per flight. Our was doomed to cost us involvement in the story would come, but not when it mattered. The killings continued. It was not until the london Patriotic Front to see rebel force funding gander reached regarding that would be targeted. The rebels had deferred the ball cars. They knew that stopping the station would save lives. Could you dont we are good in order to stop us working. Just an april 17th. I thought that was going to be able to keep on casting or they were not successful. The antenna was not, yes, we kept walking in the wreckage, but they, the side of the roubles had taken to return and were told it was time to leave. That is when our children crossed over to the level cut, what it call after the r p f. Defeated Government Forces and who to militias, many of the perpetrators of the genocide, phoenician, complete among the country. Part of a mass exodus of whom to refugees. 3 years later in 1997 could be g. Was indicted by the Us International criminal tribunal for one thats on 2 counts of crimes against humanity and 5 counts of genocide including the direct and public and and to commit genocide by that stage can big was on the run his whereabouts. I know me peer richard prosper served as a prosecutor for the United Nations International Criminal tribunal for wanda. From 1996 to 998. He prosecuted the 1st ever case of genocide under the u. S. 948 genocide compulsion against a one man named john paul used to refer to the life in prison for crimes against humanity. Not only did he failed to protect, people need to active steps and participated and commit genocide. My role was particularly the 1st case was to investigate the entire genocide. So while my case focused on a particular administrator, a political leader and were able to prosecute him in order to proceed, we had to show how the whole thing evolved. And by doing that. Busy investigation were able to really learn the role of felicia that the International Community and the us in particular had been reluctant to interviewing wanda, seeing what was happening there as an unfixable tribal council. However, that would all change in march 19. Thats 95 years. Often the genocide ah, a group of western tourists on safari in neighboring uganda were attacked by exult you to militiamen 8 were killed, including 2 americans. Reporting at the time described it as an act of revenge against the us for its proceed support of the tutsis. We washington at once, been happy to take a back seat in the hunt for could boot. It will now take an active role that may not be easy, it may take some time, but it will have the highest priority of the united states. So now when we move into roughly around 20012002, i am now the u. S. Ambassador at large, responsible for war crimes issue school. We launched a, an Aggressive Campaign to go after these indicted persons that were at large. The key person for the rwanda context was kabuki. We put him on a poster and held a press conference where we broadcasted throughout the region that were offering up to 5000000. 00 for any information that would lead to the rest and capture affiliate, she included, we put this information on tv. We put this information on radio with put this information in newspapers and circulated by the king and government. That press conference took place in kenya with the authorities were concentrating their search efforts to big his name had shown up on Company Registers that publicly the more government was saying, little white things, the canal story to those bad. Not if what, whatsoever, if that person is in the kenya in getting him up with hid it under delta. Privately, it was a different story. Felicia cabbages prisons and kenya was an open secret. The members of the more government seemed determined to keep the search continued, and it would soon came the life of a kenyan journalist from ogden, and i thought just back to what is the history . Okay, my name is just at maria shook a laptop. I am the elder brother of william no. Here it is now been 17 years is his death and was still waiting for justice to jack. But doctor william turned out to be a person that came forward based on our, our campaign. And he came forward with information saying that he knew where ferris anchor burger was in kenya, and particularly nairobi, william one who had was a journalist to what for a local newspaper here. And aside from the journalism i came to learn, he was old. So sort of like a political fix, awful. A couple of people in the Civil Service wanted an article written, you know, positively, they would go to him and he developed a friendship with very, very senior members of the motor issue. When we 1st met with him, of course, we reviewed this with suspicion, as normally we werent because, you know, we thought maybe some was just trying to get 5000000. 00. But as we began to discuss with him further, we started to understand that he had personally seeing kabuki. He had seen caputo because of his relationship with the aid king and Government Official who was responsible for the as Security Services. For kenya. What people need to remember as well is that the moisture is she was very, very friendly to the avi every monday. And therefore that kind of friendship would carry over to the accommodation over people who are within that one these elite. And so for lithium couple got also came here as we move into late 2002, we had william who gave us credible information that we confirmed through polygraph test. We also approached the can a Government Official and gave him a paragraph which he felt. So now we felt that we had enough to move forward and set up an operation to capture the boot. The plan was simple. William a new head would or could be good to his house just outside of la robi, than the americans know that he was there. And u. S. Agents would move in and make the arrest. The operation got the green light and so began the waiting. Ah, as the hours passed, the days passed. So ultimately, our security official decided that you know, maybe he better go and try to track down william to find out what, what went wrong. And once you arrive dec williams house, it was long. He looked through the bedroom window upstairs and was able to see william dead on his bed in a pool of blood. The 1st session by the police was that he died out of Carbon Monoxide poisoning. But his brother, as well as a number vulnerabilities, accessed his order, and so the state of ohio would encore, it could we open the door and we were shocked. There was a rug on the floor that looked like it had blood on it. And there was also blood around it. Then we went upstairs and the bed was covered in blood all over the floor. There was no mattress on the bed. I no blankets. It seemed as if someone had been trying to clean up. And the was never able to get an autopsy done, but it became very clear that he had been killed or calling for an investigation at the time. Nothing happened. When looking at the operation, what we, we can see what went wrong is that there was there, the information was betrayed. In other words, that we believe that someone within the kenyans Security Services was aware of our operation and tipped off coupon that to not only not be there, but also tipped off the booth or that william was a source of information that this was a trap. The same year could be got you to the americans, his former associates at art till m. Ferdinand. Now he, monna and john, but sco, but a yak. Lisa was sentenced to life in prison in what came to be known as the wonders hate media trop. They too, were charged with incitement to commit genocide, but by that stage could biggest trail had once again called cold. And for the most part it would stay cold for the next 17. Yes. Or one of the most wanted us back that marijuana genocide has been arrested in france to this young couple years ago. The man accused of bank rolling and organizing much of it, i genocide, which google is accused of bunk trolling and using his rate as tis unter brought cost. The calls for madam felicia could bigger was find the arrested in this apartment block in the outskirts of pars 6000 miles from a french court, has ruled that his next stop will be a russia, tanzania, and the u. N. International criminal tribunal for wanda. One of the Lessons Learned from the kabuki case ha, outside of the the substance of what happened in 1994. And his role is the willingness of people to ignore in humanity for financial gain. And what i mean by that is the only way kaboom could have remained at large for all these years is through a network of support. And that network of support was only viable based on in my view on corruption. We need to remember that the genocide happened to people. It happened to families, it decimated societies. And it is also scientists that we must return to when we are in quoting about, a trial of a person like felice him go. Because a trial in and of itself would have no context or no, no meaning if it is not tied to the very impact of the kinds that hes accused over and who they affected from behind these was felony, fema ricky has returned to po, costing. She now runs the prison, his Radio Service providing her fellow inmates with the daily news during the genocide demo. Ricky says that she didnt fire a single bullet or pick up a machete, but she has been sentenced to spend the rest of her life. Yeah, because of how she weaponized the air waves in a genocide where the killers room, the streets with a radio in one hand and a machete in the other. He chose a cat nicholas a. I rich the crime that i committed, that i would be lies to people to go out and kill tutsis. But i didnt take that decision. And if i could speak to couple guy to do that, i would tell him that what he did to us was very bad. What he, this was not true in that he created that treatise tissue, but the he didnt agenda. The said that reduce a strong weapon, the strongest to perform one was artillio, and the owner of that station has been hiding for 26 years. It is something that has caused me great pain, but now im happy about it and i did get a she me. So what is lost . Like in maximum security prison in this true park, special report. One i one ace goes behind bars. Its singapore chung, the prison on al jazeera. 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