Transcripts For ALJAZ Inside Story 20220927 : comparemela.co

Transcripts For ALJAZ Inside Story 20220927



al jazeera liverpool. ah, this is out, is there a vizier top stories now says just to achieve something humanities never done. the full space agency deliberately crashed a spacecraft into an asteroid. millions of kilometers away. it's all to test whether we could stop objects from hitting earth by slightly changing bad trajectory. the kremlin has admitted it made mistakes in its mobilization of hundreds of thousands of reservists suffice any crane. after its font anger, protests and exodus of russian men. demonstrations have continued across the country, including in remote areas us as long russia that using nuclear weapons in the ukraine would have captains trophic consequences after russia's foreign minister pledge, full protection for regions an extend separatists referendums and ukraine lights being held in 4 ukrainian regions occupied by russian forces, tens of thousands of people who rallied in mexico city tomorrow. the 8th anniversary of the disappearance of $43.00 students. the group was kidnapped as they were traveling to a demonstration in 2014 and haven't seen alive since investigate to say the students were handed over to a drug cartel by corrupt police. lebanon's government has passed its budget for 2022 as that approved the spending plan or time soldiers break through security code and trying to reach parliament. the country faces an unprecedented economic crisis. many people falling into poverty over the last 3 years. hurricane is growing stronger as a heads towards the west of kiva, as of people preparing to leave their homes in the province of peanut del rio. a storm surge of more than 4 meters is expected and the british pound has fallen to an all time low against the us del, up before partly recovering, plunged nearly 5 percent. his markets opened in asia. on monday, the dive comes as concerns growing of the u. k. economy and government unveiled major tech scouts on friday. as the headlines inside story coming up next ah will italy have its 1st female prime minister right when coalition led by georgia, maloney is set to take a majority of seats in parliament. that'll pave the way for the country's 1st far right government since world war 2. so what will that mean for italy and europe? this is inside school. ah. her walk to the program on hasn't seek of italy appears to be on course to elect its 1st female prime minister. and 1st far right leader. since benito mussolini, the coalition will be led by georgia, maloney, who's credited with giving her party the meteoric rise. it needed to win a national election. analysts say her uncompromising attitude has struck a chord with a frustrated electorate who see maloney as the only political option left on tested . maloney said voters gave her a clear mandate to govern and she will lead for all italians. the election had a record low turn out of 64 percent. that was down 8 percent from the previous election in 2018 or more on this. we have a report from stephanie debtor in rome. oh, has predicted the night, went to the right. george maloney wasted no time in addressing her supporters and italy with when this night is over, we will remember that this is a new beginning from to morrow on. we will have to show what our values are worth. if we are called to govern and lead this nation, we will do it for every single italian with the goal to unite these people. because our biggest goal in life is to make sure that italians are finally proud again to fly our flag high. school pulls opened at 7 a. m, all in all 16 hours of voting has been a steady stream of people coming to vote throughout the day despite the rain. and even though most people are not telling us who they voted for, what is clear is that opinions are very strong on both sides. i mean, we'll do it sooner. i'm facing because it's a g t n, a writes that we finally can express. we don't have many rights left, so i will vote in the hope that italy will come out of this swamp, which we are stuck. i'm hoping for change for a really big change because we really need it. i thought i'm terrified that there will be changes because what's happening is really an earthquake in my opinion. it's been a divisive election, not only raising questions of what will change inside italy, but how italy will present itself abroad. the main challenge of angela ford maloney asked by minnes, i would, would be to be accepted by the main european countries as a credible and reliable partner. otherwise, if things will go wrong, i if maloney were pushed to ard on a her far i the agenda, whether my be of course very soon of some problems for italian political stability, italian economy as well. yeah. really? she really, you might be traveling. there will be weeks for political consultations and apply before the italian president said you method. ella appoints a prime minister, but that seems to be all but a formality. georgia maloney is set to be italy's 1st female prime minister. the question then, what will her italy look like? stephanie decker or 0 rome or so who exactly is a ga maloney while she grew up in rome and has been in politics since the age of 15 . now, 45, she's been the head of the far right brothers of italy, party for 8 years. she's credited with helping again, national support by pledging to reduce taxes, promote italy standing in the e. u, and continue supporting sanctions against russia. but her hard line views on immigration and what she calls the preservation of the christian family of raised fears of a return to controversial policies the well, let's bring in our gifts. now, joining us via skype from rome is cecilia emma. so the lot she is assistant professor of international relations and global politics at the american university of rome. joining us via skype from brussels is pizza clipper. he is editor in chief at the brussels report dot e u. and joining us from paula is and the morning a historian at the end of the university in rome. a welcome to all of you. so to see if i could start with the, what are italians hoping to get from georgia? maloney them particularly on the on the economic issues. i think that the main issue that georgia maloney will need to tackle is the cost of living crisis. the italian elect, the raid as being very much dissatisfied with traditional parties over the past few years. and probably the excellent result that georgia maloney obtained in yesterday election was also sort of caused by and helped by dissatisfaction. so now it's the time for her to the lever, i guess on, on an extra promises 100 you think she will have much scope to, to put many of the ideas she wants into practice against this, this backdrop of the economic problems that were mentioned, their energy shortage is inflation looming, recession possibly, and the war and ukraine? well, i don't know. what should we be able to deliver? honestly, because what we have seen do show intellectual campaign is lots of propaganda from the maturity of parked his coalition and other percent. sure that she will make life much of the 40 milligrams for anything and also the be some issues in terms of civil rights social arise especially i'm talking about the n g b t community but also the rise for abortion, for women in terms of international politics i mean, she claimed all over the campaign also to reassure the international partners that she will be backing ukraine, the european union. and then they transferred dick lance with the united states. i think that we should try to do so as much as possible, but flushes as are possible. we have seen that not necessarily far right parties joining a government coalition or leading them into coalition. they moderate themselves the last the last election. we had the government with the league led by him, appeals on being which didn't moderate, that was a radicalization of such copying it, leading to clashes with other european countries for refugees and migrants coming to italy for this out, then talk about italy's dealings with the european union pita clapper, it's been said by one of ms maloney's opponents, that the european union will lose an engine and acquire acquire a break with georgia maloney. you think that's true or, i mean, you think expect things to be contentious so she's gonna have to make some compromises. well, depends what you're talking about. it's clear that maloney is very keen on on the european funds that will flow from the use of it recovery fund. of course, she wants to spend the 2 different things that the preceding government was going to spend it on a. but i think when it comes to debt, maloney is not going to rock the boat or she logs out money. however, when it comes to things like immigration, maloney is definitely not gonna sign up to the, the plans that some of the european commissioners have in mines for immigration. she actually wants to follow the danish and the british model to sort of enter the migration chaos that we see. and of course, to, to do that she's looking at, you know, out sourcing the solemn processing. i think people should understand that this is actually in itself unrelated to whether you want less or more migration. it is basically a way to make sure that migrants can only and 2 to 33 author day have received a yes. and it's very interesting to see also it's really now likely to to pursue that, that course. so see if you think of this, this government led by maloney as expected, is going to have to make some, some compromises. she's already sounded conciliatory and in her victory speech. so what would you expect that yes, absolutely. i really think that their top priority right now is going to be to reassure both the italian public and italy is partners in terms of foreign policy. so just to read something to what the previous speakers were saying about european union, i expect georgia maloney to be very compliant when it comes to for instance, finances. italy has a huge amount of gum and that we all know that we're talking about 150 percent of g d p. and she's very well aware. she's very aware of the constraints that come with being members of the resign as she already changed their rhetoric during the campaign. and he was easy for her when she was in the opposition to be very critical. of mario drug is cabinets and european union. but we noticed a shift, a, her rhetoric, as the campaign proceeded towards, much, much softer, conciliatory sort of tones, video p and union. so i think she's going to make some compromises for sure. yeah. let, let's put that point then to, to andrea about the, sort of the change in tone. ok. because it kind of begs the question of what does ga maloney truly believe? i mean, she represents this party that has its roots in italian, fascism, and yet she has kind of softened her tone on a number of issues. what do you make that she had to because i'm in naturally when she released that the deal, the video talking about fashion. which in reality she was not say i mean she said that you know, fascism was unable in terms of being the she's been so much she, she never never said that selina is being there was a prime minister need to the end of the cost or something very wonderful, they've gone through so she had to change the tone and ship to ship to reassure the internet child partners. but this is a 100 bucks and those that were sent to the policy. and so you say, are you suggesting the change in tone is not genuine on her part because i mean, if you want to call yes, but i mean the old, this is this. i mean, if we look up, for example, the integration side, which is something that she touched on, i mean, it is a fault, it is for rod also they are proof that she had the was the european union just before the election just before the actual campaign it was very controversial. i mean, we shouldn't forget that the previous program of the fact of the collision was really creepy of the european. so she, she knew that she was going to win because sort of bass were clear on that. but i don't really believe that that has been a change in their part. he really believes in terms of protecting the nation, protect thing christiane values within the mission being against the for example, same sex marriages being against, as i said before, immigration. and though these type of issues which are similar to other far right, nationally as part 2, across europe and the west. so i mean, this is simply trying to present itself a present party in a different way. but i mean the reality, the core of the team, steve neal flashes and, and other percentage far, right? peter, clipper. what, what, what comparisons would you draw then between this fall right movement and it's really the brothers of italy and elsewhere in europe. because we, we saw another election in sweden a couple of weeks ago in which a fall right party there did very well and is now going to be a major part of the next governments there. how does this, how do they compare? how does brothers whitley compare with with them and with this far right? wave of populism that swept across parts of europe was very interesting question. because i think in both cases, boat in sweden and, and italy, you can see very dodgy, dirty origin, se fascist post flashes movement in italy is clearly linked with her party and sweden. the suit and democrats were started, but by skinheads really, when the national socialist. but i do think in both cases, i mean there are objective changes in, in official policy stances certainly in sweden. i think. yeah, the parties, i think, slightly populous, but it's is very close to the, to the center. right. i guess it also depends which politician you're talking about . if you, if you listen to me learning, for example, in russia. i mean, she herself has also changed her stance. she has, you know, congratulated, puts in back in 2014 or conquering crimea, and also congratulated him with his quote unquote election. but now she has been a solidly in favor of, of ukraine this year. so i think that's also an undeniable, and this is, i think, typically for wider trends of these kind of an to stablish mon parties across europe. that they feel that in order to, to get to forward, they have to abandon some of their, you know, batt luggage, so to speak and, and in itself that's, you know, that's of course you're welcome developments you know, it's good. that's parties that we're holding moral to return and opinions are abandoning those. but obviously we'll have to see in practice, what are they stick to those? i do think that in the case of maloney when it comes to russia, she will not forget us. not only in italy, but also in france and germany were politicians have been a lot more careful when it comes to the sanctions for example. and itself, it's normally oh, it's good that would among been democracy if you have a healthy, healthy base. but ultimately, you know, there was a united front against the russian aggression. and i personally think indians also italy will stick with the, the european alliance and the western alliance on this topic. now, with all italian governments or recent italian government, she, she's not going to be able to govern on her own sicily. she's going to form a coalition with material. so be nice. leach and brought a scone for a italia party, and it's been reported that there are some internal tensions there. there was this tape of reading, making some disparaging remarks about her, and it's, it's been rumored that bernasconi doesn't, doesn't get along with her either. how, how, how difficult is that going to be to, to keep the strains of that coalition together? this is the big question. the everybody is asking, right. how long will this coalition survive? now. 9 we have to consider that it hasn't really turned right in the sense that maloney neither really steal votes from the left of the transfer. so boats have been mostly internal to the coalition. actually a, somebody gave a press conference a few hours ago and he was pretty livid because these party had lost a lot and had lost a lot to maloney's party. so he was obviously like trying to say that they are absolutely, they are a solid majority. this solid coalition that going to rule the country for 5 years. they're aligned by many questions by they journalists where pointing to he's possible regrets or perhaps problems with the fact that maloney did better than him . so i would say the 1st obstacle will be these ronald mckesson b as a junior calisha partner, and naturally bernasconi, they're just going, he's also a question mark. i would say bernasconi is another big person, not any. all of them in a big egos be personalities and the scone. 6 clearly wants to be the king maker in within the coalition. so i think that she will have to overcome a number of challenges, not just a externally speaking my also within her own collision, especially considering that these is going to be a very, very harsh winter in each for each study. and for europe, in general, with the energy crisis, with the cost of living going up and a lot of room for perhaps a contestation inside and outside of the coalition. andrea, if we look at the, the pattern of italian elections over the last few years does seem to be kind of waves of popularity for anti establishment parties. there was material soviet, his league a few years ago, and then the 5 star movements before that. but each one of them just kind of fizzled away g g, do you, do you expect a similar thing to continue here is, is this just the next wave we spoke belize, possibly because i mean this both sort of. busy and got to know, but because my colleague was saying here, we're not talking about moving like the 5 star. so the least be gaining votes from everywhere in the political system. we're talking about us, you are saying, and internal jobs in the sense that melanie will taking will sticking, expecting this both from a lot as it is possible that, you know, in terms of sarbanes, they will lose votes. but at the end of the day, what to what is not what it is, essentially the fact that they have a majority. so they will not lose those. and these, all the villages lots, which means that they can change things even if subways are going down. so it's possible that there will be problems is possible that you know, like, that would be people doing faster solve your, seem the party and even key merely than doing this type of things. and that would be colton. that will be scandal cents on. but you know, like a being got a mental crisis, is much more complex, these shoes and the 2, lots of the parent of the international on the international setting. pizza clapper, you feed, the italy could go the same direction as poland, hungary, and i mentioned those 2 countries because these are, these are countries in where the far right. governments have not only been consistently popular, but they've been accused of backsliding on democracy and changing, changing the system to suit them. there's a fear that similar situation might happen with maloney particularly that she's been she's had a lot of good things to say about victor. all been the leader of hungry well, at least if you ask the commission president miss salon on the lion, she found the necessary this week to sort of threaten italy with the poland hungary treatment. she said, if, if the vote doesn't go the right way, we have certain tools, quote unquote, at our disposition, i mean, i would not say that's a very smart thing to say just before a democratic election coming from a non elected the european commission official. now you know. busy at the european union level, indeed often of course you have these attempts to try to know who contributes to a better law environment in countries were indeed there are problems in poland and hungary. you know, there's many problems with that. the 1st thing is of course that you have often the risk of double standards. nobody ever talks about romania bulgaria, but there we have very serious problems with rob, because of political reasons, this country sort of can escape, you know, you, you criticism. also, i would say it's, it's very strange that if you have these problems in poland and hungary but actually sometimes also also in italy, you know, when the european recovery funds was agreed, you know, senior officials of the italian justice system were warning that organized crime was going to be ready to try to, you know, rip off a lot of that money. that's already the problem with a lot of you spending so, so i would say if the european union is so concerned about the overall in certain number of states in organized crime, getting their hands on all that money. perhaps they should, you know, start, you know, reducing these funds. but there are, you know, when we're talking about, then you know, the, you institutions are never doubt enthusiastic. because of course, they're very keen on those on those funds. i just going to give what's probably going to be last. what on this to see it's worth remembering is well, that italian governments generally don't have a long life if the last 30 years is anything to go by. probably the average government last 20 months. do you expect, what are the prospects for this one? you expect the same thing to continue here? well, actually they have a chance to be a more stable compared to other coalitions. because for one thing they are much more janet and much more homage is for instance, then the last by george, it is the less coalition that the daily. so empower. so that's one factor of strength. if i can just add something about it, conditionality and disbursement of funds. i think that the problem with the call the, the, the, the recovery plan in general in general was that it was an emergency situation. there was no room really. there was no time to negotiate a think conditionality for easily or other countries and read. let's remember, that usually was the 1st country to be very hardly hit. and italy experienced a lack of solidarity by large member states of the beginning of the pandemic, right? when germany and france, for instance, stop the experts of protective equipment a to, to, even to other you members say, so the opinion was very, very concerned about restoring its image as an actor that can intervene with a positive impact in crisis. i think that's what that explains what you know, what the colleague was saying before about the lack of a conditionality, and on that we're going to have to leave it. thanks very much. sure. 2 or 3 of you, cecelia emma salty lotta peter clip and andrea mom on it. thanks very much for being on inside story and thank you. as always for watching, remember, you can see the program again any time. just go to our website, al jazeera dot com. and for further discussion, you can go to our facebook page at facebook dot com, forward slash ha, inside stored. you can also join a conversation on twitter handle. there is at a j 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al jazeera liverpool. ah, this is out, is there a vizier top stories now says just to achieve something humanities never done. the full space agency deliberately crashed a spacecraft into an asteroid. millions of kilometers away. it's all to test whether we could stop objects from hitting earth by slightly changing bad trajectory. the kremlin has admitted it made mistakes in its mobilization of hundreds of thousands of reservists suffice any crane. after its font anger, protests and exodus of russian men. demonstrations have continued across the country, including in remote areas us as long russia that using nuclear weapons in the ukraine would have captains trophic consequences after russia's foreign minister pledge, full protection for regions an extend separatists referendums and ukraine lights being held in 4 ukrainian regions occupied by russian forces, tens of thousands of people who rallied in mexico city tomorrow. the 8th anniversary of the disappearance of $43.00 students. the group was kidnapped as they were traveling to a demonstration in 2014 and haven't seen alive since investigate to say the students were handed over to a drug cartel by corrupt police. lebanon's government has passed its budget for 2022 as that approved the spending plan or time soldiers break through security code and trying to reach parliament. the country faces an unprecedented economic crisis. many people falling into poverty over the last 3 years. hurricane is growing stronger as a heads towards the west of kiva, as of people preparing to leave their homes in the province of peanut del rio. a storm surge of more than 4 meters is expected and the british pound has fallen to an all time low against the us del, up before partly recovering, plunged nearly 5 percent. his markets opened in asia. on monday, the dive comes as concerns growing of the u. k. economy and government unveiled major tech scouts on friday. as the headlines inside story coming up next ah will italy have its 1st female prime minister right when coalition led by georgia, maloney is set to take a majority of seats in parliament. that'll pave the way for the country's 1st far right government since world war 2. so what will that mean for italy and europe? this is inside school. ah. her walk to the program on hasn't seek of italy appears to be on course to elect its 1st female prime minister. and 1st far right leader. since benito mussolini, the coalition will be led by georgia, maloney, who's credited with giving her party the meteoric rise. it needed to win a national election. analysts say her uncompromising attitude has struck a chord with a frustrated electorate who see maloney as the only political option left on tested . maloney said voters gave her a clear mandate to govern and she will lead for all italians. the election had a record low turn out of 64 percent. that was down 8 percent from the previous election in 2018 or more on this. we have a report from stephanie debtor in rome. oh, has predicted the night, went to the right. george maloney wasted no time in addressing her supporters and italy with when this night is over, we will remember that this is a new beginning from to morrow on. we will have to show what our values are worth. if we are called to govern and lead this nation, we will do it for every single italian with the goal to unite these people. because our biggest goal in life is to make sure that italians are finally proud again to fly our flag high. school pulls opened at 7 a. m, all in all 16 hours of voting has been a steady stream of people coming to vote throughout the day despite the rain. and even though most people are not telling us who they voted for, what is clear is that opinions are very strong on both sides. i mean, we'll do it sooner. i'm facing because it's a g t n, a writes that we finally can express. we don't have many rights left, so i will vote in the hope that italy will come out of this swamp, which we are stuck. i'm hoping for change for a really big change because we really need it. i thought i'm terrified that there will be changes because what's happening is really an earthquake in my opinion. it's been a divisive election, not only raising questions of what will change inside italy, but how italy will present itself abroad. the main challenge of angela ford maloney asked by minnes, i would, would be to be accepted by the main european countries as a credible and reliable partner. otherwise, if things will go wrong, i if maloney were pushed to ard on a her far i the agenda, whether my be of course very soon of some problems for italian political stability, italian economy as well. yeah. really? she really, you might be traveling. there will be weeks for political consultations and apply before the italian president said you method. ella appoints a prime minister, but that seems to be all but a formality. georgia maloney is set to be italy's 1st female prime minister. the question then, what will her italy look like? stephanie decker or 0 rome or so who exactly is a ga maloney while she grew up in rome and has been in politics since the age of 15 . now, 45, she's been the head of the far right brothers of italy, party for 8 years. she's credited with helping again, national support by pledging to reduce taxes, promote italy standing in the e. u, and continue supporting sanctions against russia. but her hard line views on immigration and what she calls the preservation of the christian family of raised fears of a return to controversial policies the well, let's bring in our gifts. now, joining us via skype from rome is cecilia emma. so the lot she is assistant professor of international relations and global politics at the american university of rome. joining us via skype from brussels is pizza clipper. he is editor in chief at the brussels report dot e u. and joining us from paula is and the morning a historian at the end of the university in rome. a welcome to all of you. so to see if i could start with the, what are italians hoping to get from georgia? maloney them particularly on the on the economic issues. i think that the main issue that georgia maloney will need to tackle is the cost of living crisis. the italian elect, the raid as being very much dissatisfied with traditional parties over the past few years. and probably the excellent result that georgia maloney obtained in yesterday election was also sort of caused by and helped by dissatisfaction. so now it's the time for her to the lever, i guess on, on an extra promises 100 you think she will have much scope to, to put many of the ideas she wants into practice against this, this backdrop of the economic problems that were mentioned, their energy shortage is inflation looming, recession possibly, and the war and ukraine? well, i don't know. what should we be able to deliver? honestly, because what we have seen do show intellectual campaign is lots of propaganda from the maturity of parked his coalition and other percent. sure that she will make life much of the 40 milligrams for anything and also the be some issues in terms of civil rights social arise especially i'm talking about the n g b t community but also the rise for abortion, for women in terms of international politics i mean, she claimed all over the campaign also to reassure the international partners that she will be backing ukraine, the european union. and then they transferred dick lance with the united states. i think that we should try to do so as much as possible, but flushes as are possible. we have seen that not necessarily far right parties joining a government coalition or leading them into coalition. they moderate themselves the last the last election. we had the government with the league led by him, appeals on being which didn't moderate, that was a radicalization of such copying it, leading to clashes with other european countries for refugees and migrants coming to italy for this out, then talk about italy's dealings with the european union pita clapper, it's been said by one of ms maloney's opponents, that the european union will lose an engine and acquire acquire a break with georgia maloney. you think that's true or, i mean, you think expect things to be contentious so she's gonna have to make some compromises. well, depends what you're talking about. it's clear that maloney is very keen on on the european funds that will flow from the use of it recovery fund. of course, she wants to spend the 2 different things that the preceding government was going to spend it on a. but i think when it comes to debt, maloney is not going to rock the boat or she logs out money. however, when it comes to things like immigration, maloney is definitely not gonna sign up to the, the plans that some of the european commissioners have in mines for immigration. she actually wants to follow the danish and the british model to sort of enter the migration chaos that we see. and of course, to, to do that she's looking at, you know, out sourcing the solemn processing. i think people should understand that this is actually in itself unrelated to whether you want less or more migration. it is basically a way to make sure that migrants can only and 2 to 33 author day have received a yes. and it's very interesting to see also it's really now likely to to pursue that, that course. so see if you think of this, this government led by maloney as expected, is going to have to make some, some compromises. she's already sounded conciliatory and in her victory speech. so what would you expect that yes, absolutely. i really think that their top priority right now is going to be to reassure both the italian public and italy is partners in terms of foreign policy. so just to read something to what the previous speakers were saying about european union, i expect georgia maloney to be very compliant when it comes to for instance, finances. italy has a huge amount of gum and that we all know that we're talking about 150 percent of g d p. and she's very well aware. she's very aware of the constraints that come with being members of the resign as she already changed their rhetoric during the campaign. and he was easy for her when she was in the opposition to be very critical. of mario drug is cabinets and european union. but we noticed a shift, a, her rhetoric, as the campaign proceeded towards, much, much softer, conciliatory sort of tones, video p and union. so i think she's going to make some compromises for sure. yeah. let, let's put that point then to, to andrea about the, sort of the change in tone. ok. because it kind of begs the question of what does ga maloney truly believe? i mean, she represents this party that has its roots in italian, fascism, and yet she has kind of softened her tone on a number of issues. what do you make that she had to because i'm in naturally when she released that the deal, the video talking about fashion. which in reality she was not say i mean she said that you know, fascism was unable in terms of being the she's been so much she, she never never said that selina is being there was a prime minister need to the end of the cost or something very wonderful, they've gone through so she had to change the tone and ship to ship to reassure the internet child partners. but this is a 100 bucks and those that were sent to the policy. and so you say, are you suggesting the change in tone is not genuine on her part because i mean, if you want to call yes, but i mean the old, this is this. i mean, if we look up, for example, the integration side, which is something that she touched on, i mean, it is a fault, it is for rod also they are proof that she had the was the european union just before the election just before the actual campaign it was very controversial. i mean, we shouldn't forget that the previous program of the fact of the collision was really creepy of the european. so she, she knew that she was going to win because sort of bass were clear on that. but i don't really believe that that has been a change in their part. he really believes in terms of protecting the nation, protect thing christiane values within the mission being against the for example, same sex marriages being against, as i said before, immigration. and though these type of issues which are similar to other far right, nationally as part 2, across europe and the west. so i mean, this is simply trying to present itself a present party in a different way. but i mean the reality, the core of the team, steve neal flashes and, and other percentage far, right? peter, clipper. what, what, what comparisons would you draw then between this fall right movement and it's really the brothers of italy and elsewhere in europe. because we, we saw another election in sweden a couple of weeks ago in which a fall right party there did very well and is now going to be a major part of the next governments there. how does this, how do they compare? how does brothers whitley compare with with them and with this far right? wave of populism that swept across parts of europe was very interesting question. because i think in both cases, boat in sweden and, and italy, you can see very dodgy, dirty origin, se fascist post flashes movement in italy is clearly linked with her party and sweden. the suit and democrats were started, but by skinheads really, when the national socialist. but i do think in both cases, i mean there are objective changes in, in official policy stances certainly in sweden. i think. yeah, the parties, i think, slightly populous, but it's is very close to the, to the center. right. i guess it also depends which politician you're talking about . if you, if you listen to me learning, for example, in russia. i mean, she herself has also changed her stance. she has, you know, congratulated, puts in back in 2014 or conquering crimea, and also congratulated him with his quote unquote election. but now she has been a solidly in favor of, of ukraine this year. so i think that's also an undeniable, and this is, i think, typically for wider trends of these kind of an to stablish mon parties across europe. that they feel that in order to, to get to forward, they have to abandon some of their, you know, batt luggage, so to speak and, and in itself that's, you know, that's of course you're welcome developments you know, it's good. that's parties that we're holding moral to return and opinions are abandoning those. but obviously we'll have to see in practice, what are they stick to those? i do think that in the case of maloney when it comes to russia, she will not forget us. not only in italy, but also in france and germany were politicians have been a lot more careful when it comes to the sanctions for example. and itself, it's normally oh, it's good that would among been democracy if you have a healthy, healthy base. but ultimately, you know, there was a united front against the russian aggression. and i personally think indians also italy will stick with the, the european alliance and the western alliance on this topic. now, with all italian governments or recent italian government, she, she's not going to be able to govern on her own sicily. she's going to form a coalition with material. so be nice. leach and brought a scone for a italia party, and it's been reported that there are some internal tensions there. there was this tape of reading, making some disparaging remarks about her, and it's, it's been rumored that bernasconi doesn't, doesn't get along with her either. how, how, how difficult is that going to be to, to keep the strains of that coalition together? this is the big question. the everybody is asking, right. how long will this coalition survive? now. 9 we have to consider that it hasn't really turned right in the sense that maloney neither really steal votes from the left of the transfer. so boats have been mostly internal to the coalition. actually a, somebody gave a press conference a few hours ago and he was pretty livid because these party had lost a lot and had lost a lot to maloney's party. so he was obviously like trying to say that they are absolutely, they are a solid majority. this solid coalition that going to rule the country for 5 years. they're aligned by many questions by they journalists where pointing to he's possible regrets or perhaps problems with the fact that maloney did better than him . so i would say the 1st obstacle will be these ronald mckesson b as a junior calisha partner, and naturally bernasconi, they're just going, he's also a question mark. i would say bernasconi is another big person, not any. all of them in a big egos be personalities and the scone. 6 clearly wants to be the king maker in within the coalition. so i think that she will have to overcome a number of challenges, not just a externally speaking my also within her own collision, especially considering that these is going to be a very, very harsh winter in each for each study. and for europe, in general, with the energy crisis, with the cost of living going up and a lot of room for perhaps a contestation inside and outside of the coalition. andrea, if we look at the, the pattern of italian elections over the last few years does seem to be kind of waves of popularity for anti establishment parties. there was material soviet, his league a few years ago, and then the 5 star movements before that. but each one of them just kind of fizzled away g g, do you, do you expect a similar thing to continue here is, is this just the next wave we spoke belize, possibly because i mean this both sort of. busy and got to know, but because my colleague was saying here, we're not talking about moving like the 5 star. so the least be gaining votes from everywhere in the political system. we're talking about us, you are saying, and internal jobs in the sense that melanie will taking will sticking, expecting this both from a lot as it is possible that, you know, in terms of sarbanes, they will lose votes. but at the end of the day, what to what is not what it is, essentially the fact that they have a majority. so they will not lose those. and these, all the villages lots, which means that they can change things even if subways are going down. so it's possible that there will be problems is possible that you know, like, that would be people doing faster solve your, seem the party and even key merely than doing this type of things. and that would be colton. that will be scandal cents on. but you know, like a being got a mental crisis, is much more complex, these shoes and the 2, lots of the parent of the international on the international setting. pizza clapper, you feed, the italy could go the same direction as poland, hungary, and i mentioned those 2 countries because these are, these are countries in where the far right. governments have not only been consistently popular, but they've been accused of backsliding on democracy and changing, changing the system to suit them. there's a fear that similar situation might happen with maloney particularly that she's been she's had a lot of good things to say about victor. all been the leader of hungry well, at least if you ask the commission president miss salon on the lion, she found the necessary this week to sort of threaten italy with the poland hungary treatment. she said, if, if the vote doesn't go the right way, we have certain tools, quote unquote, at our disposition, i mean, i would not say that's a very smart thing to say just before a democratic election coming from a non elected the european commission official. now you know. busy at the european union level, indeed often of course you have these attempts to try to know who contributes to a better law environment in countries were indeed there are problems in poland and hungary. you know, there's many problems with that. the 1st thing is of course that you have often the risk of double standards. nobody ever talks about romania bulgaria, but there we have very serious problems with rob, because of political reasons, this country sort of can escape, you know, you, you criticism. also, i would say it's, it's very strange that if you have these problems in poland and hungary but actually sometimes also also in italy, you know, when the european recovery funds was agreed, you know, senior officials of the italian justice system were warning that organized crime was going to be ready to try to, you know, rip off a lot of that money. that's already the problem with a lot of you spending so, so i would say if the european union is so concerned about the overall in certain number of states in organized crime, getting their hands on all that money. perhaps they should, you know, start, you know, reducing these funds. but there are, you know, when we're talking about, then you know, the, you institutions are never doubt enthusiastic. because of course, they're very keen on those on those funds. i just going to give what's probably going to be last. what on this to see it's worth remembering is well, that italian governments generally don't have a long life if the last 30 years is anything to go by. probably the average government last 20 months. do you expect, what are the prospects for this one? you expect the same thing to continue here? well, actually they have a chance to be a more stable compared to other coalitions. because for one thing they are much more janet and much more homage is for instance, then the last by george, it is the less coalition that the daily. so empower. so that's one factor of strength. if i can just add something about it, conditionality and disbursement of funds. i think that the problem with the call the, the, the, the recovery plan in general in general was that it was an emergency situation. there was no room really. there was no time to negotiate a think conditionality for easily or other countries and read. let's remember, that usually was the 1st country to be very hardly hit. and italy experienced a lack of solidarity by large member states of the beginning of the pandemic, right? when germany and france, for instance, stop the experts of protective equipment a to, to, even to other you members say, so the opinion was very, very concerned about restoring its image as an actor that can intervene with a positive impact in crisis. i think that's what that explains what you know, what the colleague was saying before about the lack of a conditionality, and on that we're going to have to leave it. thanks very much. sure. 2 or 3 of you, cecelia emma salty lotta peter clip and andrea mom on it. thanks very much for being on inside story and thank you. as always for watching, remember, you can see the program again any time. just go to our website, al jazeera dot com. and for further discussion, you can go to our facebook page at facebook dot com, forward slash ha, inside stored. you can also join a conversation on twitter handle. there is at a j 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