Ha ha, theyve stokes out his era. Ah, its good to have you with us. Hello, adrian for the get a hearing. So how the headlines on al jazeera, you members have reached the deal on making emergency gas cuts this winter. Europe is facing an energy crisis. As the rush owned from gas prom reduces supply from the board stream. One pipeline to 20 percent capacity out a series of de la al shami has more from brussels. The you aims to a store about 45000000000 cubes and cubic meters of gas for this next winter. And at the same time that he has also given a exemptions to a Member States who are not part of the european gas network. And indeed the at that point, they will not have to enforce the amandito gaskets if it has to come to it. So the u a has been able to kind of a come to midway between the countries that saw it as you know, and not really possible to enforce that this kind of mandate he got at the same time been able to secure what it says it needs for the next winter, protests have been held outside man mars embassy in bangkok to condemn the execution of for pro democracy activists. All folder accused of helping a civilian Resistance Movement that was for the military since last years crew. The execution at the executions. While the report widespread condemnation o the condemned ye action by the hunter to execute the 4 activities, we feel that this is a crime against humanity. Ah, i believe to Foreign Ministers when we meet in the non pent. On the 3rd of august, well look into this is really forces of rated the palestinian village of cutaway Bonnie Hassan and the occupied west bank. Demolishing the homes of 2 palestinians had been charged with killing a guard in april. At the illegal is really settlement of arielle schools. A reopened have re open its royal anchor after the government said that it would provide fuel so the children to get to class. They were shot daily a month ago because of widespread shortage is caused by the worst economic crisis in decades. 5 protests as have been killed in demonstrations of the Un Peacekeeping base in the democratic republic of congo. They say that peacekeepers have not protected them from violence in the region and want them to leave others, the headlights that hes continues for you here on our 0 after todays inside story. Next. Ah, hunger is Prime Minister victor. All van says sanctions on russia have failed, but you crate insisted can win the war as its force is appeared to be making some gains in the east. Willie, you maintain its top stands and risk winter gas shortages. This is inside stored. Ah hello, welcome to the program. Im burnetts, congress Prime Minister says sanctions against russia and not working victor or vance as a new strategy is needed. One that focuses on peace talks and negotiations in a speech in romania or been reiterated his country, which is a nato member, will stay out of the war in neighboring ukraine. Hunger is economy relies heavily on russian gas, and the government in budapest doesnt want to support embargoes on Russian Energy imports or ban says since russia want security guarantees. Talks should be held between washington and moscow. Not keith. We started off to check on medical appoint job as a new strategy as needed, which would focus on not winning the war, but instead on piece talks and drafting a good piece proposal. The European Union is taxed now is not to stand on the side of the russians or on the side of ukrainian, but the stand between russia and ukraine. This should be the essence of a new strategy. This is how the situation is. We are sitting in a car that a puncture and all 4 tires is absolutely clear that the war cannot be won in this way. Ukraine will never win the war against russia with american training personnel and weapons, quite simply because the russian army has a symmetrical dominant. The 2nd fact that we have to face up to is that the sanctions are not weakening moscow. The 3rd is that europe is in trouble in economic trouble, but politically to and government are collapsing like dominoes. Only since the war, the governments of britain, it leap, a guerria and a stony f collapsing. And the autumn is not even here yet. The problem is that everywhere in europe, when a large part of European Countries is certain, that there will be a recession, and this will cause political instability. Why should i have to say that if we would have been a bit more lucky at the us, president of the size of our would have been donald trump, and weve managed to miss angler merkel not to leave. If donald trump would have been us president and anglo merkel, german chancellor, the war would never have started. But we didnt have luck. So we are in this war problem. We have to reach a new agreement with the russians, and your agreement has to be reached between hungry and the chinese. And a new agreement has to be reached with the United States as it would be easier with the republicans than with the current democrats. Right now, despite severe rounds of sanctions of russias economy is still standing. Moscow continues to receive billions in revenue from energy exports. Some 20 european bies of russian gas, i believe, to have opened accounts in the russian rouble. A kremlin decree in march required all gas payments from what it called unfriendly countries to be made in the national currency. But some European Energy companies are voluntarily paying through russian bank accounts, saying the payments are in line with e u sanctions. Ah, lets bring in our guests in vienna. We have roger hilton, a defense fellow at a globe sack, a security and geopolitical think tank in the ukrainian city levine. We have, michael bought a qx, a senior fellow at the atlantic council, and in oxford, samuel romani, and associate fennel fellow at rou. See the Royal United Services institute, a warm welcome to you all. Roger, ill start with you. Will europe be able to maintain unity on ukraine as an ottoman winter approaches . Oh, good evening, bernard, and thank you so much for having me. Before getting started, as we heard on the introduction to org, i made a very spirited each that ukraine will not be able to win this war. So before we go any further, i just want to make the statement that i mean that we disagree with this position of the year, the Prime Minister. I think a lot of the cards are now are a wine you for ukraine, long term to move forward in winnie and obviously gotcha. Got his comments about europe on the side is also a position. I dont agree with the european meaning itself is an institution based on values and morals. And right now its not only a moral imperative, but its also in their strategic interest when he cut me when he comes to the European Union holding up. Yes, of course, you know, youve had these 5 government that fall already, but it could be argued that it could have fallen earlier and it took 6 months for this to actually happen. So while the current implementation of the European Union strategy against russia is imperfect, it has been impactful, and i think moving forward that it just need to be adjusted to move forward with the bad as the opposed to moving on. Michael, do they see in ukraine . What openness saying as a, a, perhaps a commonly held view, do they worry it will become a commonly held view in europe, or they think or body speak on his own. I think a big fear in the ukraine is i, yes, your report become divided and that the interest in the war will wayne. And that as pressure increases on democratically elected government in europe and elsewhere that, you know, they will come to, you know, the economic costs that are happening. But look, its very, very important for western governments to keep together when it comes to policy towards ukraine. And then i have to say as well, that is a canadian, its very important that countries like my own stick to the sanctions they committed to. I was very, very disappointed and disillusion one Prime Minister trudeau recently watered down his own side in order to return those generators for north stream one back to rush up. So look, mister bond is one of the most dangerous politicians on the planet. He gave many speeches recently, some of them quite racist. Hes an ally of russia, so, you know, hes, hes playing on the russian playbook. And i dont think we can believe much. And what he actually is, as samuel, do think europe will be able to maintain unity over ukraine, is also min winter approaches a cold weather comes. So i think that when you look at the question of european unity in several different angles, i think that certainly European Countries are going to continue to supply armstrong grant. There are some disagreements, obviously with hungary not wanting to be a party in the war. And also in bulgaria that the vast majority. Busy of European Countries are willing to send. Ready artillery air Defense Systems and other equipment. So in terms of army grant, i think theyll certainly be entity. But where well get complicated is on the next at 8th package of sanctions against russia. Will they move towards the gas embargo . There was a remarkable coalescence of European Countries on the swift sanctions, even on the oil embargo after a testy period on individual sanctions, sanctions and russian entities. Ready and i think that that unity might start to frame when it comes to natural gas. Even big players, a germany might balk, were seeing hungary already expand its purchases of natural gas and keep Russian Nuclear energy. So i think that that will be the area and, and also there will be divisions not just between members dates, but the biggest divisions will happen within countries. So between far right and far left marvellous parties and the governments that are in power. So we need to look at internal. Busy cleavages as being the biggest source of discord for europe, binding the military support, were likely stay. Roger. Despite his more outrageous statements, victor robin does have the challenges that are not unique in European Countries. Rising energy costs have re reliance on the Russian Energy on sanctions. Havent particularly worked on play rushes, triple the amount of money is earning from high energy costs. So does that need to be another look at how we treat russia in this conflict . If i could just respond very quickly to them who brings up some good point . I think for all of our views there, its very important to recognize that the beginning of july, the Czech Republic is taken over the president of the European Union and the Czech Republic for all of our years, who might not know it or part of a group that grad for which includes hungry, slovakia, poland, and the Czech Republic. And its been very clear with their new government and been on for andre. Bob is that they are going to prioritize the platform of the need or sort of as a mechanism toward the policy which was common before. I mean, also within that hungry has the president , the, the for under traditional ally polling is actually not in lock step with them moving forward onto the next point. As i said in my earlier statement, i think that you would need to adjust whats going on. Now it goes without saying that when it comes to energy, different areas were going to be, are going to be more vulnerable to others. Obviously here, just across the board in low vacuum, they have major issues going on. But at the same time, there are other sources of energy coming from the south. You know, and youve had a bit of an issue right now with the, with being portugal and pulled. And also saying that the energy that they have, they might not be distributed equally as this proposed earlier this week with germany. So im not, youre seeing that theres a quick to this, but i do think that there is a solution to be had on the political level and trying to figure out how to maximize the got to europe thats have access to without putting too much money in the coffee, the russian at the same time. Michael, you took it before, but i mean, there was over 5000000 ukrainian refugees across europe now is their concern that the welcome for them is waning . Oh, absolutely. In fact, i just finished a tour of europe and even in poland, which has been one of the strongest supporters of ukraine. This coming september 700000 you Credit School children will be admitted into polish schools. So thats a huge burden on them or thing and some other countries as well that support, for example, free ground railway tickets, things like that are being withdrawn and also people are having a lot of records are having problems funding for example, their accommodations. So it isnt an easy slog, but going back to the original quote, if i may look, i think your european government top to get their citizens ready that they have to accept short term pain for long term game. The only thing mister putin understands is for us, and if your pin countries begin to buckle when it comes to supplying arms to ukraine or strength of sanction, hes going to go further and further into europe. So there can be no divides when it comes to sending optimist equipment. Ok, but samuel europeans take the northern europeans arent used to having to put up with short term pain. The u commission on those gas gas shortage is the Commission Wants huge powers to mandate gas rationing a many European Countries already resisting it. Do you think b e u will manage to get that policy through . Why does that could be a bit of a complicated measure . Were already seeing some nation states within the European Union, normalizing the notion of gas rationing. I think there was a statement coming from the German Economy ministry. So robert had back even several months ago talking about that, the netherlands was also warning about that at the same time. So gay d, as this might be inevitable, has been normalized by existing governments, but certainly its going to be very unpopular and at rest, emboldening. The far right elements within those countries, the welders type politicians and the netherlands are inside germany, the f d are in italy now with mario druggie being removed, the 5 Star Movement in de leon ard. So theyre, i think that those concerns about emboldening populace may prevent many European Countries. Im actually going through to through on this and theyll be others like hungry and so like, yeah, which i think that could drag their feet entirely and be does as you measure. Roger, what do you think about that is not going to work this a 10 by the commission to give you some enormous powers to, to mandate gas rationing. If theres one thing that i think weve all learned here is not to under evaluate the grid, the creativity, and also the policy grid averse love on the lion as president of the european commission. So, i mean, look, it again, as i said earlier, this is going to be a tough decision. But i think on the political level, a lot of people thought that the massive the look that happened earlier in the 2000 that wasnt going, that wasnt going to happen in that. There was, you know, it talk about the Greek Economy and then crashing out of the euro. So i do whole hard to believe that given what that, both in the short term medium and long term that the deal will be had. Will there be some tough tell this was actually maybe among german. Absolutely. Especially now sort of with germany 30 percent buying the unit for there is no doubt that the Energy Sector is hurting. But as i said, when theres a will, theres a way and i think moving forward especially to some of the slovak, like Vice President richards, the president and Vice President commission. I think there will be a lot of momentum to try to get this over the finish line with them winners and losers. But roger, when you say where theres a will, theres a way, i mean, there is resistance to this, particularly, you know, a lot of the view that this is to save germany. And the greeks might particularly be a bit upset about that, considering their request for 5th school lini a c years ago during the financial crisis is that you does have you guys currently have currency i think for the moment and makes great quick bait. Its great headlines, but at the end of it in there are other mechanisms within the european you need to try to get the ball moving forward. As i said, i mean, is it retribution is it . Have been everything german shot and point it could be, but i still think long term without being you know, were still in the early days of this conversation. Winter season is still a little bit. He didnt even a little bit of way, and i think its not to be underestimated the check president the rule theyll play in it me very famously. I think it is their interview managers that if we have to we will burn everything to stay alive to a warm. So again, you are very early days on this and i think moving forward it will be compromised, given and well see what happens. Michael. All the further sanctions tools, the europeans and the americans, the north atlantic or countries can use against russia that havent been employed that they should be considering. Yeah, i think so. There are more banks that can be sanctioned. I think the strategy though of using sanctions to cause perhaps harm or paint otherwise from people hoping that theyll rise up against mr. Brewton. Its not the right philosophy to follow. I think we have to get to a point and i know the american top and working on this is to get at their kind of flow starters on board. Im talking about some of the gulf countries you a countries like that because you know, as long as the oligarch, so the people in mr. Put in circle can hide their wealth o