Riley. Thank you so much for coming and joining us. Im Karen Clawson T chair of the San Francisco human Rights Commission. This morning i made a few remarks but what we didnt do which i wanted to make sure we did right now is to thank everyone who has helped to make this summit possible including, of course, the asian Art Museum Staff t San Francisco public library staff, all of the people who have given us technical support, the human Rights Commission staff, including our Commission Secretary Kathy mulkey meyer. Amelia Martinez Bankhead and taquan harrison, sarah sang, and jessica compo. So thank you, all, very, very much. For all of your hard work in putting this sum in it together. Because we do have some newcomer, i want to reiterate a few things and that is that we live in a nation founded on violence. And while we are all here well intentioned, resident citizens, Community Leader, young, or we have our youth here who will be talking to us this afternoon. We have our leaders here and we also are learning from our elders. Because we live in a nation founded on violence, this summit this, day will not be the end of the violence because we are inundated with it on a daily basis through our Media N our education, and in every aspect of our lives. Our mayor has had us to focus on reconciliation, healing and love. The leadership of valuing everyone, and how do we do that, right . How do we heal from centuries of trauma . How do we heal . We acknowledge our origins. We confess that we whip our children because our ancestors were whipped. We admit that our Police System was founded on capturing fugitive enslaved human beings. That our bodies, ourselves, we have been dehumanized. How do we heal . We have to view ourselves as humans and we have to work together. Because our nation was based on the theft of land, the genocide of the indigenous peoples, the first people, and the forced labor, forced free labor of kidnapped african people, and we know that slavery was enforced through violence and murder. Last summer when we pass the resolution that antiblack racism is a public health and human rights crisis, we were not centering black people. We were opposing white supremacy. And today we do that through many of our programs including our stand together sf. Stand together sf which Commissioner Riley and others have supported and which our esteemed Colleague Claudine chang is a member of came together over two years ago through the opportunities for all program encouraging our youth to stand together, our api community, and our africanamerican youth to stand together. She has worked very hard with us on this project and i want to thank her. She is the trustee of the asian Art Museum and a Stalwart Champion of us moving, thinking, working and standing together. Claudine . Commissioner crofton talked about stand together sf program and thank you to Cheryl Davis and the human Rights Commission staff for starting those initiatives. Since last october, the community has been talking with the tough conversations on the topic of what brought us together and that was about racism and i see Todays Summit of the conversation and also another new beginning because every time you get together and talk about this topic, we can come together and do better and this morning we had a very robust program in chinatown, japan town, bayview hunters point, many, many areas in the city and we also had a few minutes talk about healing. When we talk about violence, prevention, one aspect of it is, of course, what we see as violence and crime and the other is about healing which is about coming together and happy wearing my hat as the asian Art Museum trustee that the museum is the optimum program of Todays Summit. We want to thank the Mayor And BoardPresident Walton for your leadership to continue this conversation. At this time i would like to joining me is our Board Chair, trustee Board ChairBrett Levine and Museum DirectorJay Suh who will be giving you the formal welcome from the museum. Thank you, claudine. Yes, i am fred levine. I am the chair of the board of the asian Art Museum. And also chair of San Francisco asian Art Museum commission. It is a pleasure to welcome you to the newly transformed asian Art Museum where were a place of care, refuge, imagination for all asian cultures and identity. A place for all. We have recently expanded our space with the new pavilion, which is now showing team lab. And i hope you will all take the opportunity to visit the exhibition before you leave today. Thank you. Good afternoon. I just want to add one thing. The asian museum is a platform. The platform for activating Community Voices and particularly voices of the artists for social justice, from our effort in partnership for black lives matters to our common effort fighting against antiasian hate. Asian Art Museum is also a platform for healing so our works up and down stair where is we have chinese american Artist Chanel millers work on healing. She herself is a victim of sexual Violence And Activist and champion for womens rights. We will have our Mission School Artist in the american artist on the same theme of womens empowerment. And we have filipino american Artist Jennifer wolfes work on the Pedestrian Level Pay homage to former generations of asian american artists. This is a place of healing for the community to come together. We are so honored that San Francisco human Rights Commission have chosen asian museum at a place for this afternoons conference. Thank you very much. Now without further ado, let me introduce and asking to come to the podium our fierce Leader And Activist herself, our honorable mayor, London Breed. Thank you very much. There we go. We want to get right into Mayor Breed wants to be able to as President Walton to hear from the young people. Mayor London Breed who has already been acknowledged and celebrated, thank you, Mayor Breed, for being here. And thank you, again, to President Walton for being here. Thank you. And were going to start off with Hannah Curtis and we will start with some of the questions from young people. We have heard a lot from older People Today. And these young people have all been working with young people this summer. I didnt say old. I said older. Dont be offended. Im in there with you. So its all good. Hannah, do you want to be the first one to ask our question . Again, this is because were talking about as we heard this horning from David Muhammad that we as we heard this morning from David Muhammad, we need to do both and to talk about mentorship and what is the longterm plan and how we make sure we actually listen to young people. And Mayor Breed is here to hear from the young People Today and the folks that represent. And President Walton has been pushing this, and so ewith just wanted to give space so first up a, Hannah Curtis. Make sure to introduce yourself. Mayor breed, did you want to say anything before we jump into it . I will just make a few opening remark. First of all, even though you are wearing masks, i am still seeing a lot of familiar faces of people who have been working and doing incredible work in this city for so many years to address the challenges that we have experienced for far too long related to violence. And everyone here i am sure can tell a story about a situation of a Family Member or something they experienced that may have led them to pushing to do this work and in fact, the work that i did when serving at the africanamerican Art And Culture complex with Cheryl Davis and Rico And Howard and others are here from svip. The work we did was foes kued and prevention was focused on prevention. No one really understands the value in stopping something from occurring in the first place. The work that svip in particular has done, sadly, when violence does occur, when someone is shot and end up in general and people like lynn and others are right there with the Family Members and folks, it is to make sure that we dont see someone else lose their life as a result of what has been experienced. And this is a lot of the work that got me into public service because i grew up at a time where i felt as a young person back then that there is no way that i should have had to go to as many funerals of people that i went to cool with or people that i loved and cared about. I should not have had to have gone to so many funerals as a kid. And now in the city, the cycle seems to be repeating itself. And now we have to get at the heart of what is really going on. And this is what this is the perfect conversation. We have people like shirrell, like supervisor waltnd o, who clearly care. We have resources that i am making sure we invest, and now the work that you all do, how do we make sure that we are investing properly . That the resources that we have available are making their way not just to the organizations that you are o a part of. How is it getting in the hand of the people in the community . That is so critical to changing what it is that were experiencing with violence. Im not saying that it is as simple as that. U know its a lot more complicated. But its so important and especially those in the last thing i want to say before i open it up to questions is people who have been on the front line for many, many years like rico, lynn, felicia, and i see nate in the back, take care of your mental health. Take care of your mental health. The work that you are doing for years is emotionally draining. I know you do it because you care. It is so important as we are foot soldiers out here doing the work to serve and to address these issues, theyre incredibly complex and theyre incredibly emotionally draining on people. And so take care of your mental health. With that we are hear to open it up for discussion and President Walton may want to say a few word, and then i am happy to open it up to questions to begin this robust conversation. Thank you so much, Mayor Breed. I am not going to say too much. Everyone has heard from me this morning but it is good to see everybody here and looking forward to this discussion. Definitely want to hear from our young folk. Just want to thank the mayor for taking the time to be here today and for putting in the time for all this work. Thank you. All right, hannah, you are first up. The mic is over there. My name is hannah. I worked with the opportunities for all program last summer and also this summer. I mainly worked with the sustainable Infrastructure Program and also the cross cultural justice program. Today i wanted to ask my question based off what i learned from my youth that i worked with who were all high school interns in the cross cultural justice cohort. So working with them, mainly our discussions were focused on feeling a lack of togetherness between racial communities, especially the black and asian community. And the youth expressed they do want to feel connected to each other, but they feel a little bit of awkwardness or differences between one anothers communities. And so my question for you all today is what can the Government And Community do to create a space for the youth to feel like they are united. And also have them come together and i guess stand in solidarity for each others communities issues. Thank, hannah. Thank you so much for the question, hannah. I think one of the things that the government can do and some of the things that we have had success and if you look at programs like opportunities for offerings, we need to provide a platform for all races and eths any tis of young people to come together, work with each other and learn the cultural and spend time together. The more time you spend around folks and the more time you spend getting to understand how they think and what is important to them. And the better the relationships are going to be. And opportunities for all is one of the examples. When i was with young community developers, for example, we had an Internship Program with the p. U. C. And cyc had space in bayview. We brought together individuals from cyc and brought the young people together and provided internships for all eths any tis. But what you see is the relationships exist eight years later and that Internship Program exists eight years later and you have folks from the chinese Community T Latino community, the black community working together. And a lot of that was because of the resources that were provided by San Francisco local government entities. We do with Rec And Park, dpw, the sheriffs department. It is not providing a space for young people together and to enhance the resources with the relationships. And the relationships you develop at 12, 13, 14, 25, turn into longterm relationship where is you have folks across community doing the work together. So if you look at the work of u. P. And filipino leadership, brothers against guns and black leadership, folks that have worked together for years, those relationships were cultivated when folks were growing up. We need to provide more space like that. I will just add i support what President Walton has said in general, and i know always had ways and learn about each other through assemblies and events. I dont know whats changed between now and then in the school system, but ultimately it is important that we continue to work together to provide opportunities for really honest cross cultural dialogue. And sometimes the conversations that are organized and people arent able to be honest about how they truly feel about one another. I will give you an example. I have a friend who i am very close to who is chinese. And we had an opportunity when i went to gailileo high school to have an honest discussion. One of the things we talked about twr names used by africanamericans sometimes to describe asian americans. And what she talked is about some of the racism that existed against black people in her own family. Did i judge her any different because she wanted to talk about it and be open about it and express that its not how she wanted to be as a person, but how she wanted to change it, no, i didnt. And part of what we want to do is we have to be able to provide safe spaces for people to have those honest conversations. And that is important to the investments i am making in my budget. I hear from the community, i hear from people, i make the investment. The board of supervisors pass the budget to support those investments. We hope that the resources and the intention of what it is that we want to do make it to the community and that is part of why were having the Discussion Today is to also hear feedback as to what were doing right and what we might be doing wrong in ways in which we can approve. And i would say that one of the things we can do since you were working with opportunities for all, which is a program we provide paid internships to high school students is if you want to set up a forum. If you want to do regular workshops. We need to work with you to provide you the tools to work with our young people to start to explore these various options that will hopefully help to build those bridges and bring us closer together. Thank you, mayor. Morgan . Good afternoon, my name is morgan tucker. I work with opportunities for all as well. This is my second year that i have been working with them, and i specifically work with the csi which is the community safety initiative. And one of the cohorts in there is the sfpd. We partner every year with the San FranciscoPolice Department to give interns the opportunity to understand what is going on within the Police Department and really understand that sometimes its you have different parts of it and the ones that are on patrol and the ones that are in the office doing work as well. It gives them an idea about what it looks like. And my question, i grew up in the bayview. I have worked in the western addition for the past five to seven years. And just the rise in crime from this pandemic has slowly but surely been increasing and increasing. Before it was there and we seen it, but now at this point i dont even feel comfortable crossing third street, right . My question is, what strategies have been created to answer the concern of public safety since the rising crime since the pandemic . If so, which ones are being implemented currently . I think one of the programs that i am very foes focused on and have a strong desire to see it implemented is to get to people and make sure that they have access to resources. And when i say resources, why is someone committing a crime in the first place, right . Sometimes its because they dont have access to money on any level. I am not making any excuses about the crime. I just think about the things my family did to get money. Drug dealing, prostitution, going downtown, stealing and boosting and selling clothes, stealing food out of the Grocery Store and reselling it. And when i think about what we can do, and this is why the universal income to me is one of the most important things we can do because that is part of the solution. And how do we make Sthur Money is never a barrier to opportunity. How do we make sure to stop that from happening in the first place. There are people with challenges, real challenges around addiction and other issues. We know that these kind of issue wills always exist, but money should never be the barrier. So one of the first universal income pilots that we put out was the abundant project for pregnant women, africanamerican mothers, and samoan mothers because a number of statistics that show those kids are not necessarily making it and have represented less than 4 of the births in San Francisco and just i wont get into the specifics, but theres some real problems there. The other program that shirell is working on to specifically target africanamerican men of a certain Age Bracket to look at and invest in the universal income pilot. And one of the other things that were looking at and im hoping well be able to invest in it sooner rather than later, and i think muhammad might have spoke about it earlier today. Hes been working with our Police Department and the human Rights Commission to identify that Core Group of people that are the most challenging of folks. They represent a small percentage and im just going to be honest, mostly africanamerican larks, latino, and when we look at the violent crime in particular, theyre folks who have numerous arrest and other challenges. And my desire is to get to them, not just to make an arrest, but to get to them and to try and figure out if they would be the willing to work with us on something thats an alternative. And we cant just put them in a program without making sure they have money, without making sure that they have something to be able to take care of themselves. And shirell and i did a program like this in the western addition many, many years ago when we were dealing with violence on a whole another level. And we paid the kids. You remember, you were there. And it just we went from regular shootings and homicides in the western addition over the summer where it was one of the most deadliest to the next year not even one. And it had a lot to do with focussing on those individuals that needed the most help, that needed the most support. We have provided the resources and identifying them and put it into action. Thank you so much for the question, morgan. One of the things i want to bring up is even before the pandemic, our office was working with community on district 10 safety plan. And how do we bring the folks that work in violence together . How do we get the resources need from the city to address violence . And how do we prevent violence from taking place and from happening . Just like the Mayor Talked about and she talked about some of the things that we have been able to do to be effective in addressing violence, but there are a couple of things that keep people from committing violent crimes in particular but crimes in general. One is options. The more options you have, the better decisions youre going to make. That means we need to make sure folks have jobs, make sure folks have training. Make sure folks have access to the opportunities and the things they want to be. When folks can say if this goes wrong, then i have this opportunity. If this goes wrong, then i have this opportunity. I have not been angel in my life. But the reason why when something bad happens in my life, when i lose a loved one, when my children make a mistake, when i make a Mistake T Reason why i dont go resort to some of the things of the past is because i dont have options. And i have opportunity to do something different. So this may not work. So i go to the next thing. We have to provide the opportunities and those options for our Young Folks because they will make better decisions and those are the things were working on. The second thing is exposure. Exposure is a very important and key piece. And if youre young and you come from a community where you dont see folks going to work every day, where you dont see positive folks that look like you doing things that lead to success in the right way, then you are going to take on those habits and those mannerisms and do things in that way. When you are exposed to higher education, when you are exposed to jobs, when you are exposed to art opportunities. When you are exposed to after school programs. When you are exposed to sports, then you have an opportunity to make those better decisions. We have to continue to expose folks to a myriad of things and we have to start early. And that has to continue up until folks decide to make a decision in terms of what they want to do. That is why our sports programs are so vital. That is why our after school programs are so vital. That is why our Work Force Development programs are vital because that exposure and those options that we give young people are what helps them be able to make better decisions as we move forward. Obviously reparations in the work that we other doing with the Reparations Committee and what thats going to look like. You heard the Mayor Talk about universal basic income which will more than likely be a big part of that, but theres also things that we have to do to make sure that certain things are guaranteed to address the wealth gap. Property ownership, automatic opportunities for education for free, and that cannot just mean college, but that also means any vocational program that someone may want to participate in. Any program that gives you education to lead to the career that you want to do. And those things are happening and were going to continue to do that. One of the things that the mayor and i and Director Davis worked on and a lot of the folks in the Community T Dream keeper initiative. That is a major investment into community. Over 120 million. That is unprecedented. Nothing like that has ever happened before. And obviously there is work to do. We havent seen the results of the work. But that commitment right there demonstrates that were doing everything we can to keep folks from having to dpo go out and make certain mistake. Were going to continue to do that. The main thing to answer your question, morgan, some of the things that i talked about that we are doing but we have to continue to provide that exposure and continue to provide those options. Most of the folks in here are on the front line doing that work. But obviously we need to have forums and conversations and summits like this with the folks we need to be targeting. We have to continue to make sure we put the olive branch out to them to get the information they need to help make change. Let me just add, too, and just so you know for the dream keeper initiative, the initial investment was 120 million. Specifically into the black community and for year one and year two with a commitment of 60 million each year after that. We have not really been able to get that money out the door in a way that could help deliver the results that it should because we have challenges with having sufficient capacity. With africanamerican organizations in San Francisco. So our goal is to try and make sure were making the right investments to help support various organizations to build capacity, but i also want to say one of the things i did when i was running a nonprofit is i stayed in my lane, right . I stayed in my lane because we were an arts organization. We had specific responsibilities and we started to add more things than we had the capacity to do, it became problematic and we werent able to do everything well. Part of it is making sure you are doing what you are doing well. And whatever we choose to do and whatever we are involved in that we can do a good job because peoples lives are counting on the work that we do, the decisions that we make. And to make it difficult and get the money out the door. We want to have an organization that has a good reputation and that is able to do the Reporting And Compliance and insurance and will well help cover the expenses but we need the right systems in place to get this money out the door, to get the money in the hand of the people and in some ways not solve the challenges that we are dealing with but will help considerably. And to develop the plan of action and enhance the work that you are doing because we need every single person that is in this room helping us to fight and do this work. And i am thinking we have all the folks here and many of you work at various organizations and have a lot of people that you mentor and support. I would just challenge everyone to take one young person under their wing. Just one. And he or she will drive you crazy, but take one person under your wing and just really stay on top of that person. Call that person. Be that person that is available to them. I think what happens to a lot of the young people, they dont have a responsible adult in their ear telling them right from wrong sometimes. And you all are that responsible adult. Take that time to work with those kids. And many of the kids that we used to work with, theyre grown now and they still drive me nuts. But theyre alive. Theyre doing okay in life. They got a lot of kids, some of them. They want me to meet their bay bust. Somebody named one of their babies after me, but im so happy when i see them that theyre doing okay. And thats a blessing. Thats where we want to get where every young person in the city. We want them to have a good life and a good life and we want them to live. One thing i just want to touch on real quick because its very important what Mayor Breed said about Theres Nothing wrong with focussing on your expertise, so to all of our nonprofit leaders in here, there is nonwrong with focussing on your expertise. Just because there is rfp out and theres Money And N one Area And Youve never done that work, that does not mean you have to jump on there. Because, no, and this is this is [inaudible] so i just want to say and be nothing wrong with focussing the expertise. Director davis is cutting me off. And that is important. That is important. I know that Mayor Breed is doing us a solid and staying a little longer. We started real late. We did start very behind. Hello, everyone. Good afternoon. My name is jerry johnson. And i will get to my question in a little bit, but growing up on Treasure Island, i was blessed to be under many Peoples Wing as Mayor Breed said. I was blessed to go to schools where teachers cared about me such as francisco middle school, Abraham Lincoln and college at u. C. Santa barbara and blessed to be part of programs to help me get to where i am today. While in college i worked with opportunities for all and collective impact, and i still reach back and help the organize real Estate Development Cohort this summer for opportunities for all. But growing up on Treasure Island taught me that proximity to resources is a big deal. Having to take a bus and go across a bridge every day to get to school which was an hour and 15 Minute Commute each way hammered that in every day. And currently being a real estate developer, working with Hope Sf prooefrs youly, and the infrastructure on Treasure Island and now affordable housing projects such as plaza east, and hayes valley, i realize that the design of space is also contribute to a young Persons Ability to grow up and become successful. So without further ado, my question is, how can we turn valuable pieces of real estate that have been used historically and currently in a punitive manner towards youth such as the San Francisco and hillcrest Juvenile Hall which are in close proximity to some of the worlds leading schools and companies into places that provide stable housing and social, economic, mobility pathways to youth in the criminal Justice System . And not those in the criminal Justice System, but those most likely to enter it. One, jerry, thank you so much for your question. I mean, i think that one of my first major fights actually was to focus on the closure of Juvenile Hall. So we could do exactly what you are talking about. Take a space that meant so much in terms of negative place that housed young black males, young latino males, young black and brown females as well, and turn it into something that was going to be a space where we could reimagine what to do with and for young people that make mistakes. To do it in the alternative setting. We dont know what Juvenile Hall may turn into in terms of the actual, physical space but we can reinvent that. Log Cabin Ranch and hidden valley and all the conversations and things we have talked about doing out there in terms of building spaces for education, innovation for our young people to learn and van the opportunity to learn and thrive and and the one thing we need to reimagining and reenvisioning places like Log Cabin, whatever the former Juvenile Hall can become is the resources to get that done. It will cost millions of dollars to make that happen. There may be conversations in the fight towards something in the future, some type of bond, some type of Resource Or Tax that were going to need to be able to reimagine those facilities. Can you imagine what we can do with Log Cabin Ranch if we made it a stateoftheart technological place with all the opportunities that young people want to do . Like a mini college. Starting with teenageers and growing it out to young adults and transitional Age Youth . Those are just some of the examples of what we have the ability to do. So that work is happening. Were trying to do it and there is conversations about design as you mention design with the resources. And to secure and reimagine and work on those ideas right now. And that fight has already started. And we have a lot of work to do to continue it. I wanted to add when i was growing up sadly, most of the people i grew up with were in Juvenile Hall and y. A. And Log Cabin Ranch. These places were overflowing with mostly africanamerican boys and latino boys in San Francisco. And a lot of people were in juvenile for things they didnt even do. We remember those times. We remember how problematic this city was towards our young people in our communities. I would say we still have a long way to go, but i am really proud of a lot of work that we have done to the point of the last count there were less than 10 kids who were actually in Juvenile Hall, which is significant. [applause] do we need the Juvenile Hall and Log Cabin and all this stuff of the past . No, we dont. Its a new day. But we also to be very honest about the fact that we have, sadly, young people who are under the age of 18 in our communities who have committed violent acts. And need to also be held accountable. And part of doing that is, of course, the Prevention Work so they never get to that point in the first place, but when that line is soft, what are we doing as it relates to Accountability And Rehabilitation . How are we working hand in hand to provide the right kind of space that makes sense, that is different than what weve had in the past . So when we talk about reimagining what this criminal Justice System can be, i am hopeful that it can be one that truly provides justice where folks are not incarcerated that didnt commit a crime where we dont see on overwhelming population of minority folks and most of the time, sadly, africanamericans, and where we also see for the many families that have lost their kids to Gun Violence in the city. We have to provide that level of balance. And to provide all the things that we are doing. The compassion that we need to show to young people and the Support And Cross cultural conversation and the Bridge Building and the resources. All of that is going to more than likely help prevent that young person, the young person that you work with, it will help prevent them for thinking about picking up a gun in the first place. And that is the important work that we have to do here is prevention and often times people wont even know what you did. They wont even know how hard your worked to get that one kid to not go commit a robbery. To get that one kid to not do something thats going to land them behind bars or dead. They may not know. But you know because if none of you were here Today And None of you were doing the work, it would be far worse in this city if you all werent here today to do this work. So thats how i envision it is a balance in our criminal Justice System, a Balance And Fairness and change. Give it up for Mayor Breed. And President Walton. And i just want to stress again this idea of investment and doing more and that we cant do it without each and every one of you. So we want to thank you, Mayor Breed, for those investments that you made and the trust that you have and the folks [inaudible] we got to make it run. Get that money out there. So thank you so much, Mayor Breed. And thank you, commissioner crofton. Give it up for Mayor Breed. I know she has to run out. Thank you so much. And i want to put somebody on the spot who was supposed to be up here and kind of disappeared in the back. So alexia, i am going to ask you to sit right here in the seat. Give it up for alexia. Give her a hand. Mayor breed talked a lot about the universal basic income as did President Walton. And before we go to the next panel to talk about how we can actualize that, we want to move that and make that investment, and aim going to ask alexia to sit right there in the mayors seat. She was supposed to ask a question and worried about what it was going to be and how she was dressed but she looks amazing. Give it up. And so im going to ask her to ask the question or make a Statement Or Challenge the audience before we move to the next panel. Thank you, alexia. All right. Hi, good afternoon. I am here as a fellow and also work with Mission Neighborhood centers. Take your mask you have to speak up. You can take it off. Its good. Talk in the mic. I work at Mission Neighborhood centers and a case manage we are them as well. I am just kind of here and flew myself in today, and i heard a lot of great questions. It just sparked violence is a very broad subject, so i feel like something that really goes under the radar is a lot of the Police Violence thats going on in our neighborhoods. I grew up in the Mission District so i feel like thats really prominent in my neighborhood. I feel like we lose a lot of our youth to Police Violence whether it be behind bars or they end up getting killed. So i guess thats just my challenge and all of our challenges, but my question is, what are we going to do moving forward . We keep losing these lives and theres fights and back and forth about it. About who is to blame, but its just still happening. Its not whos to blame and why it is still happening. That is really just my question. Thank you, alexia. [applause] a well, i think really in term of addressing Police Violence against community, one of the things we try to do as a city and what we have to do is control who our police are. And if you remember, District Attorney Bodine and i worked on pushing the civil Service Commission to make sure we never hire any Police Officers from another jurisdiction that have a history of racial profiling, a history of misconduct. We have to control what our Police Force looks like and the people that are in it. We also have to make sure when we have folks going into the Police Academy and trained properly with the communities of color and black, pacific islanders, asian community, and not just get thrown to the wolves. I have had several conversations with Police Officers who say the minute they had entered academies, they were basically given negative pictures of bayview, lakeview, filmore t mission, of some of the homes in San Francisco. They go into the academy with a bad impression of these neighborhoods and communities. They get trained to do police activities and get sent into the communities that they were told not to care about. That is a recipe for disaster. How you walk and move in community, how you spend time in community. And then another Thing Wefr to do is really work on state and federal laws that allow Police Officers to get away with murder, to get away with infractions. If you look at implied immunity and what it did, and basically said if youre a Police Officer and you commit a crime, its okay. Because youre doing it in the name of duty. Well, those things have to change. We have seen things happen at the State Level and things happen here locally. Unfortunately, the officers involved in George Floyd didnt get the maximum with that kind of sentencing for Police Officer. So all the work that you all have done in community, all the work we have done to come together, to combat Police Violence in the communities is working and seeing change and social media is working. Capturing this ignorance and crimes that are being committed by officers is work. But the bottom line is we need Police Officers in our community that care about our community, that want to spend time in our community outside of coming and responding to crime, but actually spending time working and learning whats happening in our community. And those are the policies that were going to continue to push. Thank you. Is that good . So we are going to get ready to move into our next panel which is on universal basic income or our followships and some of that work. You heard the mayor mention the life coaches and the Mentoring Model that David Muhammad mentioned earlier. So im going to ask dr. Sayeed to come on up. She is going to help moderate this panel. Good afternoon. Good afternoon. Good afternoon, beautiful people. Where i come from, my culture is one of call and response. So good afternoon. Again. Thank you so much. I appreciate yall. Welcome to this esteemed panel. I feel so honored and so blessed and so before i get started in introducing myself, i just want to call into space the ancestor that i chose to represent today who is Barry Allen who is killed july 20, 2020. She was 18 years old. So i want to call her into space. That is who i chose to represent today. And who is across my heart. So i just want to shout out very allen and thank you so much. With that, my name is dr. Sayeey and i serve as the Deputy Director for Hope Sf. I am so honored to be on this esteemed paneler to moderate this esteemed panel. I am going to introduce them and we are going to jump right in because we have 30 minutes to get as much information and as many jewels as we can to this crowd. So first, to my left, we have the director of the Street Violence Intervention team or program, also known as svip. Arturo carillo. We have the Executive Director of cotenderloin, donna hillard. The director of Work Force programs for the office of economic and Workforce Development, joshua artsay. The founder of wealth and disparities in the black community, Miss Felicia jones. And finally, the Program Director for Bay Area Community resources, miss ruth barajas. [applause] so with that well work our way starting with you, arturo and work our way to the end. Today were going to talk a little bit about implementation specifically around fellowship, guaranteed income, and what some of the organizations are doing to support that work. But first, we want to understand Workforce And Training programs. Can you talk about some of the challenges that this city is experiencing with Workforce Training programs and how that relates to Violence Prevention . Do you want to ask me first . Okay. Well, i think people have spoken about some of the problems of people of color, right . And theres sects, groups, turfs, and a lot of the problems that we have are behavioral problems. When you talk about the elephant in the room, we dont talk enough about Substance Abuse. Back in the 80s when everybody knew about crack and in the 60s and 70s when i was a kid it was about heroin, right . And now you hear about syrup. You hear about amphetamine, fentanyl, and i mean, theres some heavy stuff out there right now. People arent talking about the trauma behind people using drugs, right . They are mixed cocktails. People arent talking about the mental Health Trauma that happens from the root causes of poverty, right . And we all need to do a better job to do that to work together. I think thats really important. Ill pass on. Hi. Thank you so much. So when i think about Workforce Development, one of the first things i think about is job readiness training, right . We dont put enough in that. It is one thing to get a person a resume, show a Linkedin Profile and teach them to do mock interviews, but are we really setting them up to succeed when we do that . Were not because most of the people coming in are suffering from ptsd. And all these other mental health issues. They dont know how to use a damn computer. But you want them to go out and get a job and then guess what . They dont know how to actually clock in and clock out from that job. So really need to take a step back and dive deeper and really look at the individual. So we have an amazing fourweek program, right . We do financial literacy and all this stuff, but it is still never enough. What we have to do is take people and we give them one on one time afterwards. But the problem with that is they may be court mandated in different things that say they only have four weeks to do this. They only got two weeks. I got folks getting out of jail who have done 20 years in jail. You want them to get out and have a job in two weeks. Well, guess what kind of job theyre getting . We all know i dont even need to tell you guys because you know. And then guess what . They havent taken care of other things in their life like for a brother who owes Child Support . So theyre working and we got him a job, but guess what . Now theyre discouraged because the first paycheck is gone. So guess what that leads to . Why should i work . Why should i break my back like really working hard when its all going away and i still dont have enough money to survivor . I am still wondering where to get the next meal and where am i going to live . And in a nutshell, we need to take a Step Pack and look at the individual and add a little bit more. Things like basic Computer Literacy should be a basic human right. We shouldnt be sending folks out without a smartphone, and i om not talking the free phone. People need a working smartphone to be a member of the society. People need computers and people need to learn how to use those devices. You know what im saying . Those are some of the things that come to mind. I will pass it to josh. Josh, i wore this suit because i was going to be on the panel with you and you always dress so nicely. This is all for you. Thank you, sister. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you for that, donna. Thank you for your amazing work. Thank you to Director Davis and the human Rights Commission team for hosting this summit. It is very deep and powerful and you dont need me saying that. I know you are all feeling that. And thank you for moderating the discussion. In my capacity as Mayor Breeds director of Workforce Development, i want to share some of the data that we see apart from Community Voice and community experience. And so many of you service provideers and Community Leaders on the ground know this firsthand. But three numbers. Six months, 50 , 25 . Six months says that that first six Months Window of an Individuals Experience and release from custody, that six months is that time frame thats most likely to experience recidivism or to have another Justice System encounter and be back in that Psychle Thar we are trying to break together if 50 says within nine months to one year after release from incarceration, your Unemployment Rate is 50 higher than average during that time frame. And we know that enrolling a workforce like tenderloin and so many service providers here. I hope we do justice by recognizing the great work you are doing. But 25 more likely not to repeat if you are enand we know the Job Sfop bullets. We know we can get ahead of the tragedies in the community that Mayor Breed spoke of, President Walton, and that so many of you work with on the front lines every day by advancing a Work Force system that gets in front of the violence. The one thing that i want to say is i think a lot of us are doing a lot of work and Miss Felicia and her powerful work that she is doing with discovering your true self. A lot of us are thinking about how we get in front of what can also be a challenge which is when someone is looking to break the cycle and stepping up. And the question is, are you ready to do this . Is the community or are others ready to let you do this . That is when the next evolutions of the work in terms of breaking that cycle is something a lot of us had experience with. And a lot of us are thinking a lot about and something i think about how we come together as a System And Service rideers and Work Force. We are out there working with Union And Tech sf and the Health Care Academy which is training for Health Care which is on the uptick because of the circumstance we find ourselves emerging from and addressing. How we get in front of the industries and hospitality is key to work closely with the Violence Prevention, Community Support, breaking the cycle organizations of some of the front street for us with the Workforce Development. Miss felicia . Yes. Good afternoon, everybody. Before i start, one thing i would like to say even though i was introduced a Tz Founder of wealth and disparities in the black community, here today we are talking about Violence Prevention. So i am going to put my Violence Prevention hat on and im going to tell you about the work that i do inside and outside of Pedestrian County and its called discovering yourself. What we do is we take the false images and we address the false images that a lot of the brothers out here because i deal with brothers have and we break thatdown and so they can discover their true self. I have to have my brothers who are here and who have done the work, turned their lives around, who deal with their Shit And Day taking care of families and buying homes and putting down the weeds, you know what im saying . Not only have they doing that, but they are giving back to their community because they got my back. So i want them to stand up. Mr. Jeffrey stewart. Take your bow, brother. Mr. Barry gilman, take your bow. Mr. Darian mitchell, take your bow, brother. And then our youngest and newest brother in the group, my baby, my baby, and i am going to get his name right. Mr. Roman bane, take your bow, baby. And so when we talk about Violence Prevention and i know i may go off a little bit. Sorry, director, is that its what josh just said. Community is really not ready to do the real work. And the real work is what David Muhammad said. When we talk about prevention, intervention, and transformation. All these brothers have been transformed because of the intervention. And they were ready to do the work. We have to support the brothers in in Jail And Support programs that help these brothers come out to do the work, to give them universal basic income. To give them the ability to vo to have a mentor. The ability to build an and to trust you so they can believe in what you say in orderer for them to believe and in order for them to know what they can do and they go and do it. When we talk about workforce investment, these are the brothers we need to be investing in. These are the brothers in our neighborhoods that we need to be reaching out to investing in. And not looking at what they did in the past but look at what are they capable of doing in the future. I want to invite everyone to big a big, strong breath. If you are like me you have had a hard week, a hard month, a hard year. Its a lot, right . And its constantly super heavy. And i think of two things. I think of hope and i think of deserving this because for far too many times and i am going to think about young people in particular. Young folks often and you have seen it. Young folks often do not feel the hope that they need to have to feel like they have an opportunity, a job a career. If you grew up in your neighborhood and never seen somebody who looks like you be a doctor . Are you going to Gro Group and be, like, i could be a doctor, right . And President Walton spoke to this earlier about the importance of exposure. And i would take it a step further. It is not just about being exposed to a job or to an environment, but it is about the practice. It is about being in the shoes and wearing the clothes and playing the part and it is not even really playing and being in the part. People who have those jobs looking at you and saying this longs to you, do. That is that is where the deserving piece comes in. It is not just the lack of hope which is all about our responsibility and instilling in young people. And we do that and were tireed. We are doing it all the time, right . Its also about helping young people understand that they deserve every possible opportunity that comes their way. Right . Its not about the people who have and theres people who live across the city from us, right . Who have skin that is a lot lighter who have all the social capital that many of the young people we serve dont have. Why would they think they deserve these kind of opportunitys . The messaging we need to instill every day all the time is you are loved. You are worthy. You are deserving. Everything else is in addition. And all the Job Training and the initiatives and we can offer it on right near front of you. We can offer it on a silver platter. If you dont feel like its for you, you will not take advantage. We have all been in that place. Were all felt like i remember when i went to College Sup Lear in it game after community college, i felt like that i had that imposter syndrome. This isnt for me. It dont belong here. It is adults and young people. We need young people feel like they understand and know every opportunity afforded to them belongs to them. [applause] thank you for that. That was great. And we also just to build on what ruth was saying, we also need to challenge the system that makes it so we believe that we dont deserve whats being what weaver earned. And not what is being given because black and brown folks, we definitely worked for what we are getting today. With that i want to work my way backwards now and have you all talk about, so we heard about some of the challenges with Workforce Training. Lets talk about the creative and innovative solutions that you and your organization is practicing to meet people where they are, and to help people excel in the workforce . Im going to take a minute and really pick on a particular subset of people that i have had the privilege to serve in my life, which is undocumented folks. If you serve undocumented folks or attempted to, you know there are a huge number of obstacles, and then we wonder why so many undocumented folks end up in the street life, arrested, participating in the street economy. There is not a lot of opportunity. So one of the things we are proud about is really leading efforts that allow for folksless of the your status to be paid for the Training And Employment program. I want to lift that up because too often we have this very specific population of folks who dont have the social security card, right . Who dont have a Work Visa who may be escaping from the Home Country and violence there and then are being picked up, recruited to engage in Gang And Violence activity, right, if were being honest. Up the street right here in the tenderloin often times, right . So we need to also acknowledge that we have a Workforce System that is very exclusionary. It pushes people out across multiple races and thinking about ways in which we cannot only prevent the exclusion of folks but also think about how do we actually give a message that you can be part of these opportunities, right . And i wont get and i wont get into ed details that about how we do that, but people in the cuts and that are in the trying to make a living. And then are being pushed to participate in violent activity because they dont have a lot of opportunities otherwise. And think about the university responsibilities to be inclusive of all folks. I just want to say theym really excited not only of the work that i do with young people and mentoring, and thats what all this work is is mentoring, but im really excited with director dr. Davis giving me an opportunity to help her establish the dream Keepers Fellowship. And the dream Keepers Fellowship will include young brothers like mr. Banes who need Workforce Development training to have an opportunity to deal with their issues and look at their true selves and understand that they will get paid to really endure this intervention, transformation, process of which were going to bring two fruition from the dreamkeepers initiative. Soym excited about working with the brothers and for those of you who really are intent and we welcome you to come to the table to help us build this. They would look at their lives and we want to help them become responsible adults and they will get paid. And to giver them an understand to heal their own community. And to bring someone with them as they go through the transer to if and go through the dream keepers initiative. I am excited. Thank you, Director Davis, for giving me the opportunity. And we are going tofr a fellowship in San Francisco the and that transitions the youth from anyone 18 to 30. Anyone who know who i am, you know im about it. And thats what were going to do. Dream keepers initiative, we are on the move. And following up on what Miss Felicia jones stated w the purpose of the panel and the theme around universitier have sal income and guaranteed income it is many in ways as a strategy we can think about is a bridge about some of the offerings and the j chas. The basic income models and what we work on with Director Davis with workforce alignment, opportunities for all and dream keeper initiative, invest in those resources and getting them out the door to community is really about identifying that additional funds to help individuals make End Meet and support themselves and we made in our offers and it was an effort led by a woman established with a program we piloted thanks to human Rights Commission for all. Right on. It is not a permanent program because what we found was for the 13 individuals who went through the Program Pilot which says four months to get one of the most rigorous certifications thats available in the Health CareIndustry Sand a national Registry Certification that allows you to become a paramedic. The and the balance got on and opportunities guaranteed with the paramedics and to some extent current and mayor treed that everyone was going to get 3,000 a month for every month that they were not program. Wow. [applause]. 87 graduation rate. And the first five students have took the national exam, 100 , passage rate. And its gone on. Yes. And those first five started along with the Fire Department already. And now it is a permanent program funded by Dream Keeper Niche tifr for the next two years, four classes for dream keeper initiative. That is an example from students is that fund has helped me avoid repeating and to and something on side and black and brown and one sister in the class who said really hope to make that Function And Work for them. There are organizations that and basically combine wit the young women doing Beauty Industry and Training Curriculum to gwen and her team and i though there are patriots in the work with and Cyc And CospendTenderloin And Charity cultural services. There has to be at least something thats there as the further support of service. And thats the Work Force terminology and whatnot, but really it is paid training. Something to help make ends meet and the resources are there and its community driven and Dream Keeper Niche tifr which is powerful and electric ifr impact and partner with us and to it is a lot of resources but we have to be judicious and wise with those investments because it is such a powerful tool to have with respect to the unemployment disparities that really face communities of color and really no other community in San Francisco like the black Community Face in a triple the average Unemployment Rate for black san franciscans. We know its doable. We know resources are there and we have seen the early signs of success. Oh, and did i mention were working with discovering your true self inside the jail . I love it. Go ahead, girl. Go ahead. I just got a little reminder. To answer your question and i just want to tell you guys about a program we will tart at tenderloin because we had a problem where people said i am not ready. We dont fit there. I am not comfortable going into this space. We have job fairs and people are like, i dont want to talk to the people. I dont feel comfortable. How do we bridge that gap . What can we do . And as my brother rudy would say in the tenderloin, Theres Nothing tender about the tenderloin. The folks we are serving are underserved, unhoused, so im talking about theyre coming in our space to get their life together, but theyre livering from and a tent. Abuild a Program Called Ambassadors and see the ambassadors but the vest was on crooked, and one was knotted and all this kind of stuff. And i am like, yeah, thats right, but those are the folks who are trying to get their life back together. It aint about them sitting at the table handing out flyers, recruiting for cotenderloin. It is like the lady said on the end, were giving them hope. Were giving them dignity as they work as a common corner ambassador, they earn a Gift Card that is 65 they can take and spend on whatever they want to spend. They dont have to spend it on food but for some of the young ladies, they want to get their hair done. What is wrong with that . This f that gives them the confident to keep moving on through the program, lets do that. We try to think of unique ways to meet people where they are really at and give and the positivity starts rubbing off. Oh, im here with Algin Row and he started his own profit and now working for a startup. I could do that, too, because he was just homeless. You know what im saying . So its, yes, its a stipend so they can get on their feet. They can get personal hygiene items but really more showing them that you are ready and that you can do this. And show up every day on time. And you know what i mean. And we have many programs and Community Health WorkerProgram And Teaching folks and sent off the ground and to tell people and is is a Stipend Program and too many women and men saying its eight weeks. I cant take an eightweek class. There is no way i can take eight weeks out of my life, feed my two kids, pay whatever rent i have or whatever that looks like because for everyone it is very different. We stipend them and health 360 and making 90,000 a year. It is success after Success And Everyone who has gone through the program except for two people have been placed and that is amazing. And a lot of that is a lot of the Community Leader out here and know they have lived experience. In some cases some of the people were hired and used to be the case manager. And they are, like, who, who is this person . And those are the things we have to keep doing for our communities to make sure we keep uplifting them. Thank you. An i will keep mine really short. Task force and africanamerican Healing Center and the Ambassador Program to work against asian hate. All of us reimagining the work to do to meet the needs and sports with Rec And Park and park and rec. I always get it wrong with you, linda. And all the culturally relevant. So important. In the last minute, we want to share the panel to get the information and to do the actual work. In all of the great programs that you all shared, and this is the time and this is the opportunity. Miss felicia said a lot of this work is mentoring. What are the opportunities and folks to volunteer and to get involved. Where can we reach you . If we want to be mentors as well. Thats for anyone. I am going to say one of the most important opportunities for folks right now marly young people and particularly folks who have experience with Justice System in and around and skyrocket and everybody got a business now, right . And i know we as various community resources have an Entrepreneurship Program and the only Incubation Space for young people and specifically focused and Hope Rez reszs and undocumented folks and everywhere in between. I want to lift that up because that is very current. Young people dont necessarily want to be subjected to that higher Work System and do we want to report to a boss . Probably not. We have seen that and young people have taken advantage of technology in a way so many of us have never. Were still figuring it out. And whats happened with entrepreneurship is that Young Folks also at the same time learn about finances. They learn about saving and not cashing checks at the Check Mart in the neighborhood, right . They learn about the importance of savings and investing resources. I am thinking about sf black Wall Street and the work they are doing around really building up our communities to be able to stay in San Francisco to be able to invest and have assets, to live here and not be pushed out. If you are a Business Owner and business entrepreneurship process. I do want to respect the time of the next panel. Miss felicia, go ahead. All right. You mention mentors. I am always looking for mentors. I know one of my brothers said, oh, you got so many mentors. I said, i do, because you need a different mentor for different parts of your live. But the one thing i welcome and welcome anyone to become a mentor. But the prerequisite for me, to come and join me, in the work that i do, you must mean what you say and say what you mean. Thats the only prerequisite i have. Mean what you say and say what you mean. Because both you want to hear it again, sister . Mean what you say and say what you mean. Because these young people, young men have been lied to all their lives. And we cant continue to uphold the lies. We must begin to help them in their authentic selves and Truth And Honesty and so again, i welcome all of you guys to come and work with us on the fellowship because thats what im promoting right now. The dki fellowship program. Again, we welcome all of you. And a lot of you have lived experience. Nate, you have lots of experience. Fatima, you out there doing it and you still got experience. Lynn, you have lots of experience. Lynn is always my girl my anyway. I will leave it at that. Mentoring is so important. Thank you. Thank you. Just real quick on the workforce side, two things to keep in mind to make sure that you know the resource. We stood up a Workforce Hotline at start of the pandemic and we have taken close to 20,000 calls to connect with our staff. I have seen stuff coming in and call 4157014817. 4157014817 from 9 00 to 5 00 in six different languages and at 701 alabama at mission vocational schools to support the community hub. And last shoutout and i dont know if drew jackson is still here and the amazing work with lock tite. And i am talking about uncle stank. I second that, uncle stank. They want you to repeat the number. 4157014817. Go u. P. We have over 27 different Programs Anyone can volunteer for. So that is in the Health Techer to and the tech sector. Thats just in our community health sector. Trust me, whatever youre doing now or what you got going on in your life right now can be of value to somebody that is going through our training programs. So you can look us up. Www. Cotenderloin. Org or email volunteer cotenderloin. Org. My pneumointer5102402735 and i am pretty sure everyone here has my Telephone Number because i am always handing it out. If you need, i can give you a card afterward. But i will tell you and giver you a shoutout to Brother Malik over here. Thank you. He came and spoke to our youth cohort, right . So it was two hours out of his day, but his story was powerful, but todayer emailing me and can i talk to him . I want to be an entrepreneur. I want to do this and do that. So those things all matter. And we have a program, Entrepreneur Program and to build their startups and as we all know, who is better to build the community for the community but the community itself . And we are giving them the tech skills. Whatever skills you have and advice you have, they will need that. Come join us. We have a lot of fun when we volunteer. We have a lot of different activities other than you just coming to volunteer. We do Curriculum Building days and lets make this better, right . We know we cant keep dishing out the same curriculum. We want to hear from yall. You might have something that no one has ever thought. So bring it to us. Lover to have you be part of the family. Thank you. Real quick. From the carnivale side, dont forget drum circles for healing. Yum, yum, tastes like chicken, i want some more, cukcoo for cocopuffs. Lets give our panel another round of applause. Thank you very much. Stick around for the next Todays Panel on community led strategies. [please stand by] can we keep it two to three minutes, please . What are you trying to say . Im kidding. Damien born and raised in came back to serve my community thank you. Ive been blessed to be able to serve many different capacities and many different organizations but im here as the Executive Director of my own nonprofit that i started like these amazing organizations on this panel. You know, the things that ive been able to do have been straight purely driven from my heart so when rigo asked me to come up i was light weight hesitant. Evening though ive been blessed to speak at a lot of different places, theres still so much work to be done so if im understanding the question correctly, leading with your heart is my answer to doing this work and ive been able to do everything. I dont Pigeon Hole myself. Everyones not able to do that. Community clean ups, Violence Prevention, you know, family and Community Support and every aspect the only limitation would be fun sometimes. And god has found a way to bless us and we will continue to keep doing that. [applause] good afternoon everyone. Thanks for having me. Im ive been blessed to be apart of efforts that were always community and figuring out how to build capacity within the community. And ive chased whatever the city has been put out there but establishing whats best in those communities for the funding as well. Youll see a lot of front lines and folks that have been involved in these same efforts for 20 plus years now. San francisco is so rich of having folks from the community that serve the community. A lot of my experience has really been around extending shoulders of this initiative. Stands on the shoulders of the real alternatives programs where folks go out into the streets and to the communities and meet young people where theyre at. And so, for me, its always been important to always push that communityled, Communitydriven And Community implemented agenda and to be able to work with those that are closest to the problems that have come back to serve the community and provide those opportunities to be able to develop and innovatively think creatively and do something that may be not just be cookie cutter. That are often led or the national models, right. They dont always work for our microcommunities in the neighborhoods and we have to work with folks that are on the ground and really to build capacity and to support those solutions that are coming in from ground up earlier today, you probably heard from our community partners of affirmative action from chinatown. They are all our community partners to follow this collision last year in response and really the surge of hate and also violence within the a. P. I. Community due to covid and also and the goal is how to bridge across racial and visual lines to really build the infrastructure and meet the needs of all the a. P. I. Members especially elated and we all have to work together in order to keep it safe. Good afternoon everyone. My name is maika pinkston. Ive worked in San Francisco all my life. My familys from everywhere. I represent, i am the founder from the heart. And, what that means is that all the people who are on my team, we this is all from the heart. We dont pay. Were not paid to do this work. We do this because we would like for the inner community and a lot of people dont understand what i say when i say the inner community. Its unfortunate that we have two types of black people. We have black community and we have the black inner community and the black inner community, they are left out. Those who live in redevelopment units. Those who are basically institutionalized within their home system. In these type of community members are different from our black community. So it takes people like myself. It takes people like rudy from united players. It takes people like gary, guy from svip, jeff branner, pastor branner, people who are familiar, mr. Nate ford, whos familiar with the inner community. If youre not on foot and youre not familiar with the inner community, its not going to help at all. They dont trust the people on the outside which makes it a situation on the inside and thats where from the heart comes in because as are Pastor Ber Shaw says thats empty. Shell make it work. Shell figure it out. Because auntie, we have to come, if we dont come in and tell them put the guns down, cut it out, what are you guys doing . What were sitting here talking about means nothing, because its not the black community whos doing it. This is the inner black people who are being left out. They have been allowed to selfdestruct. This morning, it was a shooting just this morning, first day of school, you know what im saying. So as we sit here and we talk about all this and all of our plans and we prepare to give the black community jobs, well, guess what, you guys are going to miss out on a whole inner community who dont even know nothing about receiving a and, as a woman, me being out here having to walk up to these children because theyre my babies, so im out here and im not only fighting the police, im fighting against my babies lives not being protected. I need my because im not being rude to anyone, but i need for those to understand that just because your black Community Leaders dont mean that youre going to be able to assist us in the black inner community. We need the black inner communities, those who have been encarson rated. Those who know how it feels to be e because of what you look like. We have to bring people like that inside. Otherwise, this is a meeting about you all receiving money. Thats it. Its not a meeting about stopping the problem because the problem the money is not going to stop the problem. We could have all the money in the world, but money is not going to stop the problem if were trying to stop lives from dying, people from dying, then what we need to do is talk to the people who are inside of the community so that means cyc, you guys right there on 3rd street, you guys are apart of our community, come inside. Come inside so that they understand that the asian community is not against them. Otherwise, people like myself, i walk around all day that way they dont have to be assaulted, mistreated. So if we dont have our inner community inside the inner community helping, then you guys, theres a paycheck for yall and thats for us. Thank you. How do you follow that . My name is David Monroe and im here for the united players, but im also the future Executive Director of the united players of stockton. [applause] thank you for sharing. I really loved the point she brought about the inner city. Uncle rudy and the united players have been grass rooting for over 20 years and i dont mean grass rooting in the community alone, i mean even grass rooting in the prisons. Hes going back and really getting those people excuse me who shes talking about that can go back to those community that is can go into those inner city parts where some People Cant go and some People Cant reach those kids and so when we talk about grass roots, were talking about changing those people who we look at as criminals and understanding that before they were ever criminals, they were a victim. Let that sit for a minute because i was 15 years old when i went to prison for gang related murder. But i was not a Gang Member when i came out of my mother. Right. I never committed a crime until i was older. Somebody taught me what those things were, somebody taught me violence. Somebody taught me how to react in situations so i have to be untaught and thats the beautiful thing about what the united players is doing. Excuse me. Is theyre going back into the prison and turning those kids who were victims into role models and thats a true definition of it takes to say this. Hello. [applause] all right. So our next question is based on the work that you or your organization leads, what are best practices you found in the work . And we can start with david and, please, can we keep it to three to two minutes. We dont want to cut somebody off. Were pressed for time. Okay. So im only speaking for the united players and what they do. I havent been apart of other organizations. Im, you know, working on and starting my own nonprofit. We can move past that. Look, let me say this, what the united players is doing that i dont see any other organization doing at the moment is intergrating those people coming out of prison the way that theyre doing it. Its not about the program. Its not about the curriculum its about who is delivering that curriculum. Im talking about the david that needed the mentor that committed gang related murder and was sentenced to 15 years to life in prison and did 19 years. If that kid had david now and david had Uncle Rudy and ms. Kingston and i can go down this line. Damian. I met damian when he was working with the united players before he started his own organization. A mentor to me. Thats what the united players are doing. Ill say this too, the one thing i love about the united players is that im watching the kids that since ive been apart of this program, im watching the kids that are moving up in our program through elementary, through middle school, through the high school, they are now the mentors. Were not going in to prison to get them. Were bringing them people out, making them mentors and then teaching these kids how to be mentors before they ever have to go inside a prison and learn it the way i had to learn it. Preventing them from learning the lessons the hard way. [applause] okay. So what i do in the community is i educate the community on living a healthy and natural lifestyle. So what that means to me is african americans, black americans, weve been taught to eat, think, feel unhealthy before 400 years. We then changed to a pandemic where this pandemic is really based upon immune system and being able to eat correctly, but because in our culture we have been taught not to eat correctly in our communities, weve been taught not to again, think correctly, not to feel correctly. What i do is i put on human events for my boys who be on the corner. In the beginning, they thought auntie was weird, shes a weirdo, but then they began to understand what i was doing was helping them. So i would bring my hillers out and it would be so funny when a young girl says you the only woman im going to let a woman come because my healers would come and boing their backs and their pain and help them heal. In a black community, we have wound on top of wound. Weve never healed from anything. So we are now trying to heal, but at the same time being beat up by the redevelopment, beat up by ourselves, beat up by the police, beat up by your momma if she at Home Upset because she has to work five jobs. So now youre getting your whopped behind that. Theres a lot of mistreating going on in the black community and its really behind pills, drugs, so weve got the pharmaceuticals which thats where my naturalism comes at. Herbs. Im a grower. So i represent cannabis. I create products for herbs, for healing, cmoss, you name it. We have it. And this is a different way a different type of living to the black community. They dont know anything about this. The first thing that they know is to go to the hospital and for them to give you some medicine. Okay. So what im doing is im trying to help the community heal through natural healing as well as keep a clean and natural environment because a clean environment is a healing environment. And so on august 28th, if you guys would like to join us, were going to have a bayview clean up and everybody come out and join us to have a clean environment. Thats what from the heart does. Thank you. For the xhigsz on Safety And Justice, we have three different approaches and really trying to address immediate, short and long term needs of the community. The immediate needs that we have in front of me. I see the outreach team. We do Community Outreach at different high asian concentration neighborhoods and also Community Stake holders so we can build the trust within the community and they become the ears and eyes in the neighborhood. They will actually inform us or contact us and then we will work together. Weve seen that community. And, of course, they also all the community, at the community, at that Neighborhood Level because we believe even though we have a team who are representing chinese, tai and cambodian. It doesnt mean we have a reach in that community. We really believe in Collaboration And Work closely with the Neighborhood Base Organization and do that trust together. We also provide wrap around victim services. Really pep the client and navigate a healthy system. Whether its at the State Department and really access the resources even though they have language barriers and trust in the government. How we can as ambassadors provide the support to navigate a system and also we have created a victim fund where we can find immediate financial use. The victim of crime could be relocated to relocation. And we also provide Community Empowerment workshops where we provide a new language to promote the personal Safety Awareness when theyre on the street, at home, or wherever they are and also how to seek help and very important bystander intervention. How as a community together we can support each other. Those are the threepronged approach. Were also looking at how to build infrastructure and really see the a. P. I. Violence Response Network by working with the city departments. Victim support services, different departments that d. P. A. H. And together to provide the services to our victim without them having to look for it but the services and resources are rarely available for them. And the last approach i think is important is how to create cross cultural healing available through open dialog. So that is really our longterm goal. And im asking everybody from this community to make this work. We cant do it alone. [applause] so the Road Map to Peace Initiative Mission we really fasten our work off three things, connection, healing, and transformation and were comprised of seven organizations that we basically understand that not one organization can be answer, the be all magic pill to stop violence in the community and so what it really is about having the collective impact on the community driven model. Understanding the Case Management Piece aint going to work and the Career Coaching depends on health screenings and making sure our young men and women are going to get those checkups and those visits. Dealing with Substance Abuse issues. Weve seen that take a big impact. Folks out in the fields and all that kind of wild stuff. And so, for us, the seven organizations that make our Road Map to peegs initiative trying to stay away from those buzz words, the wrap around approach, but how do we address all the different aspects of a young Persons Life that needs it at that one particular time. We understand that hurt people hurt people and healed people heal people. Not only for participants to learn from one another and to be able to come into spaces where they can heal together and really drive the solutions for Violence Prevention in their own community, but also for our staff and how do we take care of our front line folks on the ground and are dealing with these young people in the community. Today, you look around. Its a lot of the same folks that have been out here in the community for a long time and making things happen. And so part of our job is also put pressure on the cities to say how do we really allocate funds and really provide support for folks on the whos making him a champion so when our youngsters look at our hood heroes, he dont just say, thats cool, are Thats Community work. I aint trying to be broke like you they look at us and say i could make my own business. So a big part of it is also providing those healing opportunities for our front Line Staff so they can keep that boat pushing so we could really, you know, give or staff the tangible and the tools so that they dont burn out and regardless, people are out here doing the work whether they have that or not. So i think from an Initiative Level Kind of being the intermediary and some of the front Line Work is how do we champion our young people that are doing the work and a lot of the Youth Prevention programs, they end at 24, 26. You heard all the presentations this morning where theyre saying a lot of the folks are involved in the violence, theyre all about that 28 to 305yearold range. A lot of those folks are tired of seeing the cycle of violence as well. Weve got to figure out ways to engage with those folks where they can make the career pathways or creating those pathways within the community where they can make a good living giving back to the youngsters and doing stuff within the community because a lot of folks that have been there done that, they got the solutions but not if a lot of folks have the heart like my brother over here david. Good to meet you, man. People got to eat and pay the bills so weve really got to invest in that next generation of folks doing the work and keep that work going too. Rico. Yes, sir. You know youre my brother. And i want to say i commend you for what youve been doing because i watched you being in the community and rise up to where youre at. I appreciate you. I appreciate Cheryl Davis and everybody putting together, you know, trying to do what we can as a, you know, responses and stuff thats going ton. We know that what were doing, it cant really be rushed, you know what im saying. But i want to commend you guys for doing the best that you can right now and, you know, people have been reaching out. You know. All Uncle Damian does for us is listen to the community. Youre talking about best practices. Action is what we do. You know, thats all i really do and, you know, like i said, ive been blessed to work at a few different places, but im not there no more, but im still here. You know what i mean, but im still here. So i want to encourage everyone to just like i said earlier, lead with your heart and, you know, it cant be a labor of, you know, when you get off work, its over because its not never over. Thats why a lot of that comes in a lane of the stuff that ive learned from rudy. If David Rudy probably would of told me to be everywhere. He helped me create other leaders and thats what weve been doing. Ive just been showing up. Im in the community. But i wont be seeing nobody in the hood when the sun goes down. When you feel me. Just keep it to the 100. You know what im saying. Ive been to some places where they were just like you know, and ive been around some people where i cant wait to, you know, time to get off so they can go live their life. That type of stuff. The kids see that kind of thing and they know its not genuine. I keep it 100 pure. My nonprofit is not funded but it doesnt even matter because god put this in my heart when i was in prison. I started this work. I was blessed to create a program when i was in prison when i was touring young people from prison while i was in prison. So you know the best practices, youve got to keep it real and listen to the community, listen to the youth, you know what i mean. Maika be out there after dark. She got a family she got to take care of. So everybodys situation is different. But if youre a soldier, youve got to be a real soldier and be out there and do it. This is a battle. So weve got to soldier up and keep it real. You know, that Felicia Jones says do what you say, say what you mean and all of that. Whatever, you know. But ive been all through bruno and all that kind of stuff and there wasnt nobody there to help me and thats why i went to the pen and did 10 years. Best practice is listen to the community. Everything yall see me doing, i listen to my young people and i put it in action because ive got the connections because its all, you know, og to be in charge of the funds and stuff of that nature and young people dont feel like they have that much power. They dont really feel like the powers in them. [please stand by] malik, and its good to be a little bit out where you can see faces again, so with that being set, im going to introduce our bomb, our Dope Panel up here today, and were going to get started with grace horakiri, the director of the Japantown Community benefit district. [applause] thank you and thank god youre here with us. My name is grace horakiri, product of jtown, product of San Francisco, so should i just move onto everyone else . Yeah. And now, we have denise hollins, californians for safety injustice. Thank you. [applause] hey, family. [inaudible] San Francisco native from Bayviewhunters Point, but i claim the whole stew. Thank you for having me today. Thank you. All right. And now we have dr. Lina miller, c. E. O. Of urban alchemy. Hi, everybody. Bayviewhunters point, and im a doctor, im a psychologist, so we try to integrate a lot of work around Trauma And Science and Understanding And Trauma into our work. Thank you. [applause] okay. You all know him, you all love him. He is the director, mr. Nate ford of s. F. Rebels. Good afternoon. I am nate miller, Founder And Director of San Francisco rebels basketball team. Were doing a lot of great things and just happy to be a part of this panel today. Thank you for having me. Awesome. Thank you. All right. So lets jump right in. So our first question is, how should we approach Violence Prevention . So collectively, in japantown, we have many community organizations, and when all this asian Hate Violence came up, i think we as a community, you know, we cant feel those crimes happening in jtown, but we knew we couldnt just stand around the side and wait for it to happen, so a few of us formed a coalition, and we called it [inaudible] coalition, and many of the Community Leaders are on board in this coalition to look at ways and how we can fight violence in our community, safety, how we can keep our community safe, but also, how we can work together with our neighbors, our brothers and sisters in the western addition. Thats the most important part. How are we going to work together with our neighbors, and how are we going to work together to keep our community safe. Can you repeat the question again . Yes. What are your ideas for what we should change about how we collectively approach Violence Prevention . I think the most important thing, and ive heard it earlier you know, like i say, if you see a bear, make yourself big, you know, and i think thats what a lot of people do. Its more defensive, but if youre able to see it come, something thats really more dangerous, then youre able to talk to people, intervene, and bring them down, because a lot of it is just whats the word im looking for . Reactive; you know, its not planned, so the idea is to catch people in that moment and then to deescalate. I have so many different thoughts, but ill be the one to say it sometime. Ill be the one to say it. I think part of us coming together is when you reach a peak as an organization, as a person, in passing that torch to someone who can actually do the work. I mean, i dont know the answer to everything. Im from fillmore. Ive got ties allaround the city, but if ive got connections like guy hudson, im calling guy. Suchandsuch going on. You know, Chinatown Call henry. Henry got something going on . Lets take care of it. So my thing, ive seen a lot of people grab the dollars and dont do the work. Weve got a lot of false promises made that got poor lynn out there, asking her for stuff. She only telling you whats going on out there. Its passing the torch when youve reached your peak and letting fresh people come in and do what they do. Im one of them, if i cant handle it, im definitely letting someone else handle it. Thank you so much, nate. [applause] like we say, we depend on the wisdom of the elders, and we rely on the strength of our youth. Weve got to rely on our own because theyve been trained and they can handle it. So grace, what works for you in your community . How have you been able to all find success . For japantown, we do have a community benefit district, so part of our program is, of course, our community ambassadors, right . We have two great community ambassadors who not only keep our streets clean and safe but also our eyes and ears on the street, and they are not japanese or japanese american. They are black african american folks, so its that kind of connection that i think is important for japantown and our asian community is that in our action with people that are not the same color of your skin on a daytoday basis, and feeling important, and also in japantown, we have the safe city camera program, which also helps Law Enforcement with hopefully making arrests when crimes happen, so i hope i answered your question. Thank you so much. So for those who are familiar with californians for Safety And Justice and what we do, we are a Policy And Advocacy organization. So we are changing laws at State Level, we are introducing new legislation at the State Level with the goal of reducing the impact of criminal justice in harm. We want the systems that havent worked for us, the dollars for that to be redirected to things that work would. Im from the city. I lost two brothers to Gun Violence. Two years ago, i was on the ground doing violence intervention work. I take a lot of that insight into these conversations, but in realtime, if im not talking to people that are on the ground, like Uncle Damian, if and we work statewide. If im not talking to people directly impacted, all of those recommendations are for nothing. Its important for us to be listening to the people who have the posts who have been directly impacted on the ground. Its important to know railroad those resources need to go and whose hands they need to be in. The whole intent behind this work is not just moving resources, its about making sure when the resources are available, that people dont have to jump through hoops and hurdles to get them. Our work focuses on the incarceration, and making sure that when people become victims, that they actually get help right away. So all of that matters in this bigger conversation, but none of it matters if were not talking to people who are on the ground. Thank you. [applause] well, a thing that weve kind of come around to, if you look at tech companies or even, you know, lets say retail, when youre trying to prevent theft, who do you hire . You hire the boosters. When youre trying to prevent people from hacking into your systems, who do you hire . You hire the hackers, right . And i think the most important thing is you have to have people out there who understand the issue. You have to understand why people do the things they do, what it looks like, and the process. We prioritize hiring longterm offenders, but everybody we hire has longterm experiences. So a lot of times, you know, what our staff will say is that, you know, i helped break my community, i helped hurt my community, so you have a different level of commitment to help heal the community, and you kind of have to know what goes on behind that and how to talk to people in that Process And Understanding that mindset because youve been there. So i think for every community, its going to take the Mient Set of the people who are harming the mindset of the people who are harming the community and their spirit and their lives and reach out and touch them where they are and try and pull them out of that place, because as everyone in this room knows, when youre in that mindset, it just leads to destruction, right . Its not that you hurt everyone around you. Its really about being able to touch people, meet people where they are, and then figure out how to kind of think them up out of it, and i think that can be applied to the Way Violence plays out in any community. [applause] wow, its heavy over there, okay. You know, ive accepted that it can come in so many different ways, and what we do with our young people through case managers and things like that, we celebrate every day, and we try to, make we saw in sports, we always say the next play, the next play, and thats what we try to do. I think when were addressing violence in the community, and youre celebrating the wins, you have to celebrate those wins where those are where those things are attainable. What i mean by that is, you know, every kid is not going to college. Come on, lets face it. If you want to go to be a babysitter, a Child Care provider, something nontraditional, thats okay. First, you fill out that application to go to school. Thats a success. Thats not nothing you know, even if you if you miss a day, thats okay. We try to find that win in them and try to get him or her ready for the next phase of it, so its all about meeting the community where they are, and what their abilities are. Sure, we want our kids to be successful. How many successful mechanics you know . I know a lot of them. I know a lot of successful Child Care providers that are making great money, so its just about meeting people where they are and finding their success based on their needs. [applause] thank you. Honoring where they are and valuing who they are, because theres not one singular path to success, right . And i have a question, which is how can you tell what is not working. Dr. Lena, you mentioned lived success. Im going to start it off by saying just because you my color, youre not of my mind. Are we working towards the same shared vision of really working towards that community, as well. I want to ask you all because nate, you alluded to this. How do we identify when something is not working . Im going to pass it onto you. Absolutely. Well pass it down nate, you seem like youre ready; i mean, you all know when you reach a peek. You know when its time for you to move on, but that [inaudible] i cant be applying for a Capital Football Grant when im running basketball, you know what im saying . Its about not being greedy and spreading the wealth so we can help everyone thats in need and i think that weve got to look at what its all about. Thats part of community, Thats Part of relationships. Thats just part of getting to know that for us. I mean, you can say you saw me in the bathrooms of the miss miller, in the back of our shirt, and its actually were in the process of getting trademarked. It says no fuckery, and i think a lot of the problem [applause] i think a lot of the problem is theres a lot of fuckery in the game, and, you know, lou brought this, another one of your good ones is we get into negative contracts with one another, especially in the nonprofit game, where you dont tell on me, and i dont tell on you. I cant really call you out for not doing what youre supposed to do because youre covering for me. And at the end of the day, out comes the Talk And Bullshit walks. We work a lot with homeless people now. Were a Workforce Development agency. What ive realized over time is when people are working with poor people, theres this subconscious feeling that you ought to just be glad im dealing with you, you know, and Thats Part of the problem. Anywhere you go, you see poor people, theres long lines, poor service, its dirtily. You know, people dont treat people well, and i think one thing we really try to uplift in our organization, we try to make sure that we treat people just like we treat them at the w. We have to deal with them with the same courtesy as anybody else, and i think when we all start being a little kinder to one another and showing a little more compassion to one another and holding that as the standard for excellent, i think then, we all, you know, all both rise, right . [applause] boy, lena said the fuckery, and i was ready, ready to get into it. No, but one thing just came to my mind, and you mentioned it. The lack of accountability costs lives in our community, and we cannot afford to let that keep happening. People cannot keep doing their external work intentionally. External work internally. We talk a lot about the problems, but one thing that weve got to recognize is when we know things are working well, how do we identify that . I would say one of the things that helps me identify when something is working well is the horizontal leadership. I see when you see their leader here, and i look at other organizations in the community, and i can see that theyre build leadership across the table, that gives me the confidence that theyre going to build up the community. All of those people are going to hold the people in the rest of the community accountability, so thats what weve got to work on, passing the Torch And Building horizontal leadership. I love that, passing the torch and having that horizontal line. I think its extremely important for japantown because were at that pivotal time where hands need to be changed and the torch needs to be passed over. I think i want to say to our Community Leaders, remember when you were at that point, looking at your community mentors, saying you wanted to get involved in your community. The reason why i got involved in my community was because i had good mentors. My jtown people out there, take a step back, look at what youre doing, and really prepare to pass that torch because a lot of young people are ready and waiting for it, right . [applause] well, we are at the end of our time now. Although its at the end of our time here, we know in the great words, the marathon still continues, so this is not the end. As we exit, i just want you to quickly go down how people can get ahold of he. You can call me. Im not going to give you my Phone Number, but you can email me. Most of you know how to get in touch with me. I know a lot of faces out there, and also follow s. F. Wall street. Were on all the social media platforms. [applause] so i think our website, urbanalchemyus. We see it. You can reach San Francisco rebels on all social media platforms for our Peace Park and requity. Same thing. Were on all the social networks. Feel free to reach out to us. Were here, ready to go. Thank you. Thank you. We hear, and we aint going nowhere, so we are now back in the hands of Director Davis. Thank you, all. [applause] the mixer after, and i think this is the time, really, in this last little portion for us to have some conversation. I know that Emilia And Lisa are checking the chat. The intention and i dont know where James Caldwell is, or deanthony is, but the intention is to continue this, right . That this is today, and that we come back in a couple months, and we have where are we now, how have we built on this, what have we done to move this forward, and i think some of the conversation that we want to do now is to the points that damian and other folks put out there about being about it. How do we make these transformations, so when i say susana, who doesnt just talk about restorative justice, who does something about it. When tragedy came to her, and she said we could easily talk about the punishment and being punitive, how do we take this park and honor the memory of her grandmother, and so now that were in this place, how do we talk about that . Grace comes and talks about the work that shes doing in japantown and about that partnership and that relationship. So how are we doing more of that . As were concluding and moving forward, my question is what should we be doing for the next round of this, right . How are we making sure that were building on what were talking about today . What are the models and the partnerships that were going to talk about . One of the things that david mohamed talked about that Miss Felicia brought up is what should we be building on . When President Walton and Mayor Breed wanted to have these conversations, the conversation is about what next, right . How do we not wait for the next incident of violence. Lets be a little bit proactive to avoid the next incident of violence. So i know that we have mics here. Folks are welcome to come up or just, you know, talk loudly, but what is the next thing, right . I know elgin is doing work specifically thats engaging fathers. Donna talked about how it is a deterrent to have your check taken, after you get your first check, how that affects us. What is it that were going to do to continue on build on this work so its not just check the box . Dr. Scott . You mind if i wipe that . So this has been amazing, its been informative and encouraging, and its built up great hope. Ive not only just enjoyed it, but im learning from you younger folks, and to hear, pass the torch to the younger generation, what to do in order to make this really work when the younger people move on, reach up, reach out, because were here. Were here with resources, were here with support, we are here with our prayers, we are here to help connect you to whatever we have that will cause this to work and grow, and what we do is accountability, what i heard from the mayor and so many others. You get a mentee, stick to that. Dont be so proud that you cannot say, this is hard. Its bigger than me. Its going to be. That is what live its bigger than them, so what is needed is some stick to it crazy glue, the ability to reach up, reach out, stay connected to your seniors. Were here for you. And we are here for you. We will give you if its nothing but a bag of rice, you got it, but you will get what you need from us. Were on the wings, and these young people we dont know how to plug into this Internet Jack Box and chatter box. I dont know what you call it or how to get on it, but if i can get onto your meetings or sit next to you, were relational. The zoom has really created a wonderful way of communication, but come to our homes. Call us or connect with us on the Phone And Talk to us. We can help you where youve been. Been there, done that, seen that, everywhere but in prison, only on the other side of the bar. Helping staying with young people, and that would just be a bit of what id say right now. [applause] thank you. Thank you so much for that. So you asked what we could do, and in my humble opinion, there was a lot of organizations that worked in this nature. So many things that ive seen because im blessed. I worked at neighborhood united playas, so i would suggest, a lot of times when i was trying to do stuff or they was saying, weve got to do this for the funding, weve got to do that for the funding, i would suggest that these organizations collaborate with each other because thats what i heard a lot of today is working with this person, working with that organization in order to get done but we cant do it alone, and thats obvious. Ive seen a lot of heavy Hitters Today doing a lot of great work, but a lot of us aint doing it together because a lot of us want to be in charge, but i aint tripping. As long as i can serve the people, thats why ill give props to rudy and valentina, all the people, but ive been only doing this ten years. But i been collaborating and working hard, and thats why ive been doing all of this. For a while, people werent trying to hear what i was saying. But if we can make it mandatory, i think thats one of the things that we can do because unfortunately, you know, i dont see many, i see these people, so working with maybe another community, another organization in another neighborhood thats what i do in bayview. Youve got individuals where youve got three, four different leaders, we nate brought me out to work with the rebels before, the youth. He teamed up with us and let me speak to all of the youngsters playing ball or whatever, so working together with all the community in harm see i think would be a good thing. I want to acknowledge Doctor Brother Renoko rashidi. He was a World Traveler who travelled around the world to document history for black people, and when we brought him to San Francisco, you know, to do a black History Tour and speaking engagement, he wanted to come here. So spiritually, i know this is, like, a sign. This is my first time in the asian Art Museum, too. I also want to say happy birthday to [inaudible] gordon. His birthday is tomorrow. [applause] in order to pick up the torch, youve got to know whos carrying the torch. History is the best teacher because we can learn about the unfulfilled plans and take notes from them and carry on those plans. I heard a lot of you know, a little criticism about the organizations, and i want to say, you know, communication as a nation. Weve got to know about each other so we wont be so critical, and weve got to streamline all these things that were doing so that people in the inner community can know about us so we can reach them. I think to make things short [inaudible] and we could all work together on this, is the legalization of marijuana, right . Because it gives us something to relate to a certain demographics thats on the streets. Its right its, like, right there just like, you know, when prohibition came, and apathy is one of the biggest problems. But if you can pique interest, the funny thing about it, and it was some of the criticism here, is that people will walk past someone and look at them as a criminal. They were just selling marijuana, and it was legal. So thats a bridge right there to teach People Business skills and to show them how to have a road to society. So with that, i just wanted to say something, honor my ancestors, drop a note or two, and ill be at a community near you. Peace. Hi. My name is ashley chang, and i am the Executive Director of [inaudible] charity services center. I am so honored to be here today as an invitee but also seeing the first audience here. So many of you are so genuine, a leader in our community and to tell us about the work that youve done in your community. Director davis, can you please make sure you share the attending list with all of us so we can get connected with all of you thats doing all the groundwork out here. Youve asked one of the things thats helpful for the next step of the universal basic income. One of the things is we do Workforce Training for a lot of training, and when we talk about social justice, economic justice, these are the people who are trying very hard to get a job, to get ahead. And a lot of times, they are waiting for the program, they can no longer sustain their daily lives. If the universal basic income could be for them, that would be amazing. I see so many people drop out because they cant afford to stay in an 18week program. Me and my staff are so successful in bringing him into this 18 bringing them into this 18week program, but we need to make sure that they are supported so they would no longer need this universal basic income moving forward. Thank you so much. [applause] how you all doing . My name is elgin rhodes, and i started my own organization, foundations to fathers. Just homeless about 1. 5 years ago, and i hit that wall where i wasnt okay with life with the terms that i was living in. In the tenderloin, theres 1,000 dads down there like that, and i done seen these guys 20 years ago, they was at the top of their game, and now theyre living in tents and on alcohol and opiates, and they kind of gave up, so thats my idea for the organization, is for dads to challenge, you know, their wellness and challenge their financial wellness at the same time and just be around other positive folks who starting businesses. What i would say would be the biggest thing that we could do is be transparent about our lives, and now that we see we see a lot of people thats doing good, but we dont know how you do before or we dont know how you got out of that space. And its not easy. Its not easy coming out of homelessness. Its not easy coming out of depression, and if we could all just share with somebody else the struggles that we go through at the same time, the successes, but if its not believable, you just pretty much you not be helping somebody, so thats the idea. Im looking for people to just connect with, to connect your dads with, collect ideas with, whatever. Its a lot of opportunity. I just use a t. L. As a Sample Size of San Francisco. I know depression, i know dads allaround the city that only think so high, so, you know, weve got to just set our limits a little higher and see other people doing it, so just want to share that with you all. Thank you for that, elgin. I think i wanted to just piggyback on that because i think thats some of what lynn was saying, as well. She wanted to come out and share her story because we have so many ideas in our mind, so i really appreciate that, elgin, for that transparency. We all have some things that were so embarrassed me that we think is a big deal, that if we just share that, it would actually help other folks. I would say over the last couple of weeks, i would say i need to practice selfcare more, and i need to put myself out there in terms of trying to draw. Im not a good artist, but i think cherie said to me, i think a couple of people said to me i said oh, you saw my drawings . Dont judge me, but the practice of doing something connects you to other people and maybe they will take it on themselves. I think it goes back to what President Walton said about exposure, and speaking of art, we have malik, who is an amazing artist. [applause] so way better than me. Much love, much love. He always tells me, what do you always say . Remain creative. All right. Peace, power, and creative prosperity. I want to give big ups to [inaudible] [applause] we work for years together. You know, im a survivor. I lost a brother in hunters point. Ive been in and out of jails, working with people in jail. My home was a broken home in a manner i would say my home was the first trap art gallery, okay . My home was kind of a position where it was very well broken, like, how we talk about the city after the 80s. I just want to say that although i work for the community, i, too, am the community, okay . So as workers, were not just working for the community, but we, too, are the community, and i worked for several years, working with youth, and many of those youth are adults now. Im still working with youth today, but i think the real aim is really if we could create the format of culture, right, and what i mean by culture is that in every part of our events, we have all of the components needed for the things in the event. So we might have everyone who can engage the people so that were not just there to be entertained, but were also there to be lifted up, right . So let our events be moments where we can actually lift our community up, and were not just having a good event and then just going home and somebody get shot, right . So the idea is i know ive been there, watching people leak from Gun Shot wounds right in front of my house. I was born and raised in Bayviewhunters Point all over the city. But the real thing is after the 80s, we didnt have our elders in the community. We didnt have the elders at the table that said no, youre going to sit down at the table and youre going to eat with us. Weve got to find ways to bring back this Family Experience to many of our young people. If we can create positive distractions that can outweigh all of the traumatic attractions, right, then we can actually get to do something. If you get to know the youth before theyre ten, you can talk to them when theyre 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 18, all the way up. But heres the thing. You know, we have a lot of our people who have been in jail for many, many years, and theyve turned and they want to do the work, right . We have to introduce them back into the community in a way that allows the community to receive them in the way they need to be received. But if theyre just in the community and theyre suffering just like everyone else, theres more trauma compiled back on top of it. It reminds me when i saw my father come home from viet nam more. There was nothing there to help them, and many of these youth are our same youth who are dealing with ptsd. So if were dealing with a gun ridden community, its a war zone, and as a war zone, we have to treat many of our young men like soldiers, and thats how they placate themselves, to be like soldiers. We have to get them to be soldiers for themselves, soldiers for the community, and soldiers for the bayview. Again, my name is malik, but our murals are the mirror of what we want for ourselves and our community. Again, this is your good Brother Malik, and im going to stop right there. All right. Cherie is going to bring us home. When you leave, grab a piece of food so we make sure that it dont go to waste when we left. Cheries going to wrap us up, and then we all going to eat. Thank you so much, dr. Davis. I am cherie miller, and i am the Event And Membership manager. But that, i am a Founding Member and the acting treasurer of the San Francisco areri can american art and cultural district, the first cultural district legislated by law, and that work came because i am a working actor, i am a working theater director, i am a producer, and that talent was developed through Queen Mary L. Booker in the Bayviewhunters Point. And i think so many people said it, how we take care of each other, how we see greater in each other than what our present circumstances are, and i also want to shout out dr. Scott because when she said shell give you a bag of rice, yall, shell give you a bag of rice because she gave me a bag of rice, and she gave me many other things. She invited me into her home and partnered with some of the youth that shes working with. We can all partner with each other and all see something in each other. And then, i want to shoutout this moment that i have been able to share today. Can you please join me up please . I want them to see. This is my friend, and were friends not because we need each other to do anything for each other, but because we just wanted to be together today. We wanted to share this moment together, and Thats Community. Its about being together. So how often somebody said theyve never been together before. How many people have actually taken space in the asian Art Museum . The new mural that was created by the african american art and cultural district and the japanese cultural district. How can we just be together . How can we just stand together regardless of whats going on in our lives . Im here to tell you that the work that we do today will show up tomorrow. It will, and under the leadership that we have right now, like dr. Davis, our honorable mayor, London Breed, President Board of Supervisor President shamann walton, this is the time to do the work. Dont be afraid of going outside your boundaries, dont be afraid of going outside your neighborhood. We have an event coming up, september 25, in collaboration with queen maddie scott, healing for our nation, choose peace, stop violence. Im inviting everyone to be a part of that at the african american Art And Culture complex. If you need to host something, were using the outside, were not using the inside, but it is a safe place for everybody. Everybody. Black, white, latino, asian, lgbtqia. Its for us. Cheri aaaocc. Org. See, if one group comes together, we did something. Susanna is friends to everyone. Everyone who meets her feels like theyve known her forever. So before we leave out, and i know not everyone is here, i just want to recognize and thank the team and have them come up, and if you could all give them applause later on. Lisa, emilia, lizzy, jessica, rico, rico, deanthony come up front because usually, i forget names, and when people go on facebook and watch this again, you know that i appreciate you. Sarah, jessica, come on up. I really do appreciate your hard work and dedication. We appreciate i just want to thank them. They are amazing, and they work hard, and they take all of my criticism with a smile, so thank you all so much for your work and making this happen. So you all tell. Commissioner dejesus tell deanthony he missed it. I just wanted to thank the asian Art Museum. Weve been working with them making things happen. Sfgovtv, asian Art Museum, and then, i want to recognize ann from alive and free. Thank you for being here and posting. [inaudible] eat, drink, and lets be merry for a moment. Thank you, everyone. Commissioner Tina Chang and commissioner jose lopez. Also our Deputy Attorney who will provide the board are any legal advice this evening. At the controls is and im julie rosenburg, the boards Executive Director. We will also be joined by city directors. Representing the Planning Department PhillipClana Enforcement and Affairs Manager for the service division. Jim emway, steven keller. 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Please note that any member of the public may speak without taking an oath. If you attest to have your testimony raise your right hand. Do you swear or affirm the testimony youre about to give will be the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth. I do. So we do have one housekeeping item. The parties for Item Number eight. Its an appeal of the denial for service of various locations. They would like this continued to october 6th. We do need a motion and a vote to continue it. However, as a preliminary matter, President Honda has a disclosure to make. President yes. My wife. Why dont you just turn off the camera and the sound and i will text you when the vote is over to rejoin. On that housekeeping motion, commissioners, we do need a motion. So moved. Okay. We have a motion from commissioner lazarus. I see two hands raised, but i dont think its on this item hello . Lisa b. . We cannot hear you. Youre on mute. I cant hear you. Okay. We also hear someone from d. P. W. Ill try one more time. Lisa b. Are you here to comment . Lisa b. Wrote in the chat she has no comment. Okay. Thank you. On Commissioner Lazaruss Motion to continue this item, commissioner lopez, [roll call] so that motion carries 40 and im going to call President Honda back in. One moment. President im back. Director okay. Great. Now we are on to item one which is general public Comment Anyone who would like to speak on an item that is not on tonights calendar. If someone would like to speak on an item that is not on tonights calendar, please raise your hand. Okay. I do not see Anyones Hand raised so we will move on to Item Number two. Commissioner comments and questions. President i have none. Director okay. We will move on to Item Number three. The adoption of the minutes. Commissioners before youve heard discussion and possible adoption of the august 18th, 2021, minutes meeting. President does anyone have any changes or alterations, may i have a motion to accept those minutes . Commissioner ill make a motion to accept those minutes. This was the first time there was a pause there. President thank you. Director okay. Is there any public comment on Vice President s Swigs Motion to adopt the minutes. Seeing none. On that motion, [roll call] we cant hear you. [roll call] so that motion carries 50 and the minutes are adopted. We are now moving on to Item Number four, this is Appeal Number 21064. George horbal versus San Francisco municipal Transportation Agency appealing an issuance on july 9, 2021, of the decision to reconsideration. He does not have a california Drivers License and is not eligible to possess an acard. Without these licenses, the Taxi Medallion can be revoked pursuant to the Transportation Code. The notice of nonrenewal is upheld and a medallion is revoked. This is Medallion Number 1303 and we will hear from the appellant first. Mr. Horbal would you like to go ahead . President if you could unmute him. I think he was having issues. Hello, can you hear me now . Director yes. We can. Thank you very much. My name is George Horbal. Im 74 years old. Ive been born and raised in the richmond district. Ive been driving a cab from 1963 to 2016. Id still be driving. But i had my kidneys fail on me. Three operations for my kidneys and one for cancer and im still alive. But now im in for another fight of my life. Im now fighting for my economic life. Apparently, the city wants to take my medallion away and im hoping that you will not let this happen, this great injustice happen. With the medallion, i have a little hope of economic security and a little bit of dignity if and when the cabs come back. So its my hope and thank you for providing me with this opportunity to save my case. Its my hope that youll permit me to keep my medallion and stop the city from grabbing it from me. Thats really all i have to say and thank you very much god bless you. And id like to turn it over to my friend carl. Im carl. Three weeks from today, another california Drivers License or c. D. L. Case is on your case for james cordesis. At least two other c. D. L. Cases may end up here. Its city Deputy Attorneys to represent an agency. In two weeks, witness testimony begins in the 150 million damage claim lawsuit filed by the Credit Union against the Agency And City related to failures in the medallion sales program. The same three attorneys are representing the city in the Jury Trial so really, Tonights Hearing is related. In a court filing, the Credit Union as a sworn statement from a Transportation Regulator now designated as its Expert Witness in the trial. Nonenforcement of the Driving Requirements affected the ability of Medallion Holders to repay their loans, buyers, i should say. We respectfully disagree. Possibly, the city attorneys are here tonight that it has enforced a Driving Requirement or as noted in our brief, the Agencys Motivation is to enrich itself by controlling more value. We dont know exactly why the city has assigned three attorneys to prosecute mr. Horbal but do Note Medallion revocations have been in front of you like this for 18 years. Changing gears. We now describe the hypothetical of how a new Taxi Driver might have become a Medallion Holder. Around that time, partly due to a shortage of taxis, a driver could do very well financially. Most new drivers regarded it as an interim job while pondering other careers. Taxi drivers functioned as city ambassadors and the job was interesting and exciting. There were many drawbacks however, the constant threat of a major accident. The cumulative toll on the drivers internal organs and the knowledge it was a dead End Job with no opportunities. Taxi drivers are of the highest homicide rate. It was a cashonly job. Most through surveillance cameras and no intaxi security cameras. The city chose not to municipalize Taxi Drivers and instead allowed for independent contractor status. Taxi drivers enjoyed major Flexibility And Freedom that did not have ordinary Job Benefit its including Retirement Income. However, the drivers willing to make it a Career Commitment for those there actually was a path which operated the permit to pay the me Dall Yong Holder a monthly fee of about 2,000. Mostly so the next eligible applicant on a lengthy medallion Waiting List established on propk 1978. There are no guarantees in life, of course. Many small Grocery Stores were walmarted out of their life savings and walmart destroyed competition. Now, we older Medallion Holders have been ubered out of our retirement over the past several years. Mostly, monthly Medallion Income is typically 0 right now although the pandemic also is partly to blame. Back to horbal. Hear first, he denied the Agencys Attempt to revoke the medallion. Issued after the city Attorneys Office intervened. In both rulings, he finds that issues of equity actually favor mr. Horbals decision. Currently, this follows major problems. Some Taxi Medallion values returning. Mr. Sebastian suggests Gender And Market based medallion Sales Model under which mr. Horbal might receive rightful compensation. Horbals case mirrors the 2003 case in which your board overruled the agency. Once again, it involves a wheelchair bound Medallion Holder who can no longer drive, but can operate a business permit. Medallion holders have a current cdl, until the past, the agency has never opted to use this discretionary or disabled career driver Medallion Holders with the taxi Drivers Licenses were low for the firsttime applicants in which case, they would need the c. D. L. Finally, we believe the federally mediated settlement cosigned by the city in 2010 prevents the agency from revoking mr. Horbals medallion. Thank you for listening to all that. Thank you. Im fine. Thats all i have to say for now. 30 seconds. Director thank you. We do have a question from President Honda. President thank you, mr. Mcmarto. So going over your brief and, you know, i enjoyed your brief and my father was too one of those interim drivers in the 80s with a taxi, but you stayed here, he refers to propk had to swear only to intend to be a fulltime driver. So if what im having problems with with the Citys Case is that the actual language or does it say must drive . Its in one of the exhibits i sent in, its probably the first one or not the its actually exhibit no. 6, Section 2b says that the applicant for the medallion swears the intention to drive. And so what really happened as you read my brief, in year 1988, more than 30 years ago, it was codified incorrectly into the Police Code on that it was mandatory to drive no matter what and there were no mitigating circumstances that could be considered and thats been handed down for more than 30 years and everyone whos come into office as a regulator. Its really what were asking tonight if you look back and maybe if you support mr. Horbal, he also sent a letter to the agency and asked them to clean up their interpretation because also a. D. A. Came to that and should protect people and for example get rear ended and para. Vice president elias ed until driving a cab. So we dont understand the interpretation and never have. President thats what im trying to find out what the actual language was and what there is in interpretation. The other question i have is back in the 80s, you know, i believe Taxi Medallions were Value North of 250,000 upwards to half a million dollars which was more than a price of a single Family Home in those days. What is the current value of a Taxi Medallion now, sir . Um, if youre asking the actual value if they were bought and sold today on the market, i would guess it would be about 50,000 and the only reason it would be worth that much is because speculators figured that five years from now when, you know, the royal family of Saudi Arabia and everyone else who got suckered into buying Travis Stock and making him a multibillionaire. When that business fails, the Medallion Value will go back to 250,000. But its probably going to take five years. Thats the best i can tell you. I dont know what else to say. President you answered my question finally. I find it quite amusing or kind of sad that the taxi lost their business to a ride share. You know, my parents always said to share, now share means that i would charge you to play with my toys. Okay. Thank you very much. No. Thats very kind of you and that is the language in propk and one of the documents was called president thank you, sir. Im sorry. Thank you very much. Director Vice President swig has a question. So i need to be educated and im going to ask the same question of the City Representative when that representative speaks next just to prepare them. You use i am unclear as to the Ownership Structure of a taxi permit. I understand clearly that if you are not holding a license and you are unable to drive that you cannot implement on an individual cannot implement on driving that taxi for which they have a medallion. But how does a medallion come into the possession of the Medallion Holder in the first place. And, you use the word least in your testimony is and i need some clarification as to does the City Sell or lease a Medallion Or License a medallion and where is the, is there in fact any equity intended when the city leases, im going to use your word that medallion to the Medallion Holder, or is it a performance driven item which is conditioned on those two issues of being able to drive a license and the ability to drive or is it or is there another condition which is that the medallion will be utilized by the individual or some qualified agent of the Medallion Holder . Sorry for the long question, but i just need to know that process and the qualifications. Well, yes, so many questions. Im so old i dont know that i can follow it all, but ill do my best. So as far as how people came into possessions of the medallions. Before 1978 the medallions were bought and sold. From 1978 to 2010, buying and selling was not allowed. People put their name on a list and waited about 14 years and got the medallion for nominal processing fees. Subsequent to 2010, theyve gone back to buying and selling and these Permit Holders, the ones who bought paid 250,000. So the subset of Medallion Holders like myself and George Horbal are the propk Medallion Holders who dp not buy, but waited on the list. So we already had a Work Permit which was a taxi Drivers License. What we got after waiting 14 years and making a Career Commitment and thinking it would be some Retirement Income possibly is a Business License that we were charged with a requirement to put the taxi on the streets 24 7 to serve the public. Some people can do it by themselves, others mostly at the time went through a Taxi Company which met all the requirements of insurance and buying cars and Shift Scheduling and this sort of thing. There really isnt a driving riernlt. Back to that issue, we swore that we intended to drive. So the proper interpretation of that law into a municipal code would be to have a case by case analysis. If someone can find a Medallion Holder who got one of these whos never really a Medallion Holder, i say take away their permit. Not someone who drove 43 years. Unfortunately, there werent a lot of people theres no real monitoring of the driving so you have police captains wives and fraternities andings figures, any person working could have signed the list and they mostly sold the medallion in 2010 as soon as there was a Pilot Program giving them the ability to get 200,000 to get out. But there may be some still there. So im just saying that there isnt really a Driving Requirement that never ends we already had the biggest Cab Company in San Francisco go out. And i. Commissioner i want to get to the point and i dont want it to lose it. So you said that there is yes or no answer. You said that there is no Driving Requirement. And but obviously it would be the expectation that the driver or Medallion Holder would keep the car active. Isnt that correct . Correct. Commissioner just yes. Yes . Yes. Commissioner okay. Except let me clarify. Additionally it wasnt a requirement because you were young and healthy and you were not supposed to have another job and draw the income. There was never no ending Driving Requirement. It was an intention to drive that had to be measured in my opinion. Commissioner okay. So let me ask you this. If a Medallion Holder like mr. Horbal had a assuming mr. Horbal has the medallion and cannot drive and mr. Horbal allow somebody else to drive for him who meets the criteria of being licensed type a, the other criterias . Absolutely. Even when we were young and healthy if we drove five days a week. Lets say there were 14 hour shifts in the week. The taxi to just sit idle four hours. If i go four or five shifts, that leaves another nine shifts where a qualified licensed driver would be serving the public with that operating medallion. Thats exactly correct. Commissioner all right. So, in fact, the equity in the lease and im sure that the representative from the city will comment on all these questions, so the equity from the lease is really that ability to leverage that medallion for further use of the car by a qualified driver beyond that of the medallion, the issuance of the medallion so the equity of the lease is that ability. So what youre saying i dont want to do your testimony for you but i want you to affirm that by that youre that mr. Horbal as the lessee is can maintain the use of that medallion and the integrity of the lease of that medallion by, in fact, if he could finding somebody else to stand in for him so he becomes a Onecar Company basically as long as of course he has proper insurances and all the rest of the stuff. Is that so . I think so. You lost me a little bit with the diversions of the Onecar Company, but regardless of how we operate, its safer for a young healthy person or a healthy person to be driving rather than a feeble person because there are a lot of Medallion Holders like the one that tried to take action on 11th And Market street. Out there driving, but shouldnt be but arent 100 disabled. But obviously it is a requirement for mr. Horbal and myself makes sure someone behind the wheel has a license and is trained. Commissioner so it is possible legally for a lessee of the medallion who cannot drive the car for any particular specific reason like mr. Horbal to engage a person, lets say me who has a Typea License who meets the other criteria who is properly insured to drive that car on his behalf and maintain the integrity of the lease and then have a private agreement in a revenue share. Is that thats correct and its been that way for the past 30 years for propk medallions. People who were legitimate who drove 35, 40 years and retired and maybe had 5 or 10 or 15 years to live, they were able to have that as their income. When they died, the permit went back to the city. Commissioner got it. President thank you very much. I appreciate it. And im sure the city will comment on that. They wont agree with me. Commissioner all right thank you. Director thank you. We do have a question from commissioner lopez. Commissioner thank you. Yeah. Id love to hear, you had some references to the Credit Union litigation in the brief. You made reference to it briefly in your opening remarks. Id like you to just set a stronger connection for us in that pending litigation if you can let us know what the current posture of the case and what connection does it have to what youre asking us to do here tonight . Well, the testimony begins on september 13th, the witness testimony and later tonight, ill send the board a copy of the Court Document that shows, has some information about that. The connection right now is that well, its not a strong connection. Its a separate issue that the medallion is annished license and not a permit and we sworn the intention to drive for 30 to 40 years. And Driving Requirement. All the medallion owners have been left alone. Thats why you havent seen a case in 18 years. As far as a Credit Union case goes, theres a lot of money involved and whats happened is at the current sales prices, 250,000, theres no movement in sales at all and the persons who cant pay back their loans and that loss is about the Credit Union suing the city for the damages, you know, thats a separate lawsuit. The Hearing Officials in horbals case, the Hearing Official in both of his opinions mentioned that he is speculating that the outcome of the loss will probably be a movement to a Market PriceSales Model and if its correct, someone might offer george or me or someone who wants to sell something like 50,000. I dont know. Im sorry I Cant Answer better. Director okay. Commissioner thats helpful. Thank you. Director okay. Thank you. We will now hear from the sfmta. Im not sure if mr. Cyaner or mr. Emery will be speaking. I will speak and if mr. Cran is here i hope he jumps in. Good evening, commissioners. Thank you very much. Deputy city attorney. The situation over the last five years for the Taxi Industry and Taxi Drivers motivated by in his first decision on reconsideration. The Hearing Officer recognized that not withstanding sympathy, his rule has to be based on the Transportation Code. And everyone agrees. The officer, the m. T. A. And mr. Horbal that the Transportation Code has a fulltime Driving Requirement. The particular provision of the Transportation Code is identified and m. T. A. s brief 1109c1 and theres no dispute about that language. Mr. Horbal has raised some questions about what a propk says, courts have already looked at that and courts have already said problemk imposes a fulltime Driving Requirement on Propk Permit holders. And those are the two decisions that were submitted with the m. T. A. s brief both the federal division in the Sloan Case and the State Court Decision in the Permit Holders case. Gave the m. T. A. The authority to probable gate new laws for taxis. So there is no issue about the validity and the force of 1109c 1 of the Transportation Code which imposes the fulltime Driving Requirement. Theres no Dispute Mr. Horbal is able to satisfy that Driving Requirement. Moving on to the questions some of the commissioners asked. The Problemk Medallion is a permit. Its not a license, its not a lease. Its a permit and it is issued subject to the compliance the requirements for that permit. And, we know that mr. Horbal cannot satisfy those requirements. The m. T. A. Taxi division has the responsibility to regulate the Taxi Division, the m. T. A. Taxi division has decided that it must enforce this rule in this case with mr. Horbal. The Hearing Officer recognized that the Enforcement Discretion rests with the Taxi Division and not with the Hearing Officer and that is why this commission should uphold the decision of the Hearing Officer. I guess this would be the time frame to do that. I just wanted to add that director im sorry we cant hear you. Okay. Can you hear me now . Director yes. Okay good. Sorry. As he mentioned these medallions are required by putting your name on a list. There was no monetary cost. Theres other names for these propk medallions. The question about the value, the Way Propk was designed to work was a working driver would hold the Medallion Director im so sorry. Can we pause the time. You keep cutting out and i want to make sure your audios not lost. If you dont mind, im going to grab different ear buds. Director no problem. Take your time. Thank you, everyone, for your patience as we deal with technology. I guess i can stand up and deal with my sciatic nerve issue. Hows the audio now . Director okay. It sounds fine. Okay. I wont move. Ill keep it that way. I just wanted to reiterate as he stated, the medallions, the drivers put them on the list and the Way Propk was designed to work was working drivers would hold the medallions and when they were finished and unable to meet the fulltime drivering requirements, the way it was designed, they were supposed to give it back and it was supposed to go to the next person on the list. I know there was questions about the value back in the 80s on what they were worth. There was no actual cost for this class of medallions. Thats just the last thing i wanted to. Director okay. Thank you. We have a question from President Honda. President yeah. So either one of you thank you for your brief. It was very thorough. Questions i had. So there was no value, but were they selling for were they being given away or were they being sold . The propk medallions were issued for no cost to an active driver on the list. Who is on a Waiting List. President but so oh, so they werent able to resell those particular medallions. And as mr. Cran had just explained, the way the Problemk Program was built and established when that individual driver was no longer able to fulfill the fulltime Driving Requirement, that driver was supposed to return the medallion to the city and then that medallion would go to the next person on the list. And that was the system that was in place until 2010. President okay. And so ive been on the body for almost eight, nine years and weve not had this before where someone was misusing the medallions. Do you have other cases like this . How often does this come about . Well, the Taxi Division has been enforcing its rules over time. This is the first case its come to you through the Hearing Officer to the board of appeals. There are some others pending. President and is that prior enforcement or is this all coming at this particular time. There was some prior to my enforcement. President when was that . I began in 2017. President so you stated there was enforcement prior. Prior to my time with the agency. President youre saying as a matter of fact there was enforcement, if youre stating that, when was the enforcement. Im not certain of the date. President there was enforcement or no enforcement. There was enforcement. President im not trying to be argumentive but you said for a fact there was enforcement. Youre muted. Director we didnt President Honda, we cant hear you. He got muted. There we go. I hit the button. I got excited. Im not trying to be argumentive, sir, but you stated as a fact there was enforcement, but now youre saying it predates you. But how do you know if Theres Enforcement if it predates you . I spoke to my predecessor. President okay and so would the other Deputy City attorney have any input on that, mr. Emery . No. I do not have any more specific information. President because ive been on this board for nine years and ive not seen that prior. Thats what im asking. And so when you tell me that there was prior cases, and you state that as a fact, then i would like to know when those were. So now its not as a fact, its hearsay that your predecessor told you, but you have no evidence that was fact. So given that there was no cases prior, why is there now six cases that are being in front of you, sir . Upon review, i was not the permit manager. Im the enforcement manager. I took a review in 2019 and i did a Permit Renewal on the fiscal year. I did a review of all Permit Renewals and i discovered that several of these medallions were out of compliance [inaudible] thatd be Medallion Holders did not have a Valida Card which is a requirement of of the Transportation Code. President and, is that something that you that is regularly done or is that something you took it upon yourself . Is this an annual event that is, that Youll Check . Is there a system that says that . There is now. Like i said, i wasnt involved in the Permit Renewals in the Medallion Exchange as we called it. But i became involved in 2019 and as i was reviewing the files for renewal, i determined that several were out of compliance. At the time, it was like june and so the decision was made to renew those medallions and prepare for [inaudible] president sir, your audio is cutting in and out. Okay. Sorry. President so your testimony probably was not heard. Can you repeat that. Sir, in 2019, in june, i was reviewing the files and there wasnt enough time to make that nonrenewal decision because the medallions needed to be renewed on July 1st and so the decision was made at that time to undertake this effort for fiscal year 20 and thats why we are here now. President okay. And then my last question was this is all new to us. Were not taxi specialists. You guys are the taxi specialists. So the information that we only have is whats provided in our brief, right. Theres a lot mentioned regarding propk in 1978. In the appellants brief, he stated that what was the language he stated . That in propk, you have to hold on, let me find it. Director for an intent to drive. President thank you madam Executive Director. What im trying to determine was what was the original Language Or Legislation and what were having now is that an interpretation or is that the original language . I believe mr. Horbal attached a copy of Proposition K as mr. Emery mentioned Proposition K and its codified in the Charter Section 8a 101 where the m. T. A. Has exclusive Jurisdiction And Authority over the taxis, everything relating to taxis and as mr. Horbal indicated 1109 is where this is codified and where it says every Medallion Holder is a natural person between [inaudible] march 27, 2010, shall be a fulltime driver. Theres no dispute this is a Propositionk Medallion and that is a department of this class of medallions. President thank you, sir. I believe other commissioners have questions. Director thank you. We have a question from Vice President swig and then commissioner lopez. Commissioner okay. Thank you very much. Im looking in the brief. Let me ask one more question to you gentlemen on the subject of equity. So thank you for clarifying that this is not a lease. It is not an owned license, but, in fact, it is a permit. Is that characterized properly . Yes. Commissioner okay. So this would be the same type of permit that if i want to stage im looking out of my House And Stage a concert on the Marina Green, i would go to mr. Ginnsburg and ask him for a permit to stage a comment and if im asking for criteria, i get to stage the concert, right. Just a regular permit. Yes . Its not a trick question, guys. Yes. Yes. Commissioner okay. Thank you. And, therefore, that permit really doesnt have any equity. The Equity Piece is what im trying to tie into. I cant sell that permit on the Marina Green is that right . Yes. And particularly with these permits, e1 of the Transportation Code says explicitly that no body has the vested right in exchanging the permit for money. Commissioner okay. So im looking at a document which quotes propk and its im taking it from another document. The document is labeled as document and its to maryanne costello and Thomas Owen and its and for some clarification on Prop K and let me ask before i read this. Is Prop K in this . Is this still the Guiding Direction and Guiden Legislation on the permit in Question Today . Yes. This permit, this Taxi Medallion was issued under Prop K. Commissioner okay. So nothing has superceded Problem K . Period. Correct . Well, the Transportation Code governs all the medallions including Prop K medallions and the m. T. A. Has authority to pass and enact regulations in Transportation Code regardless of what Prop K says. So the Transportation Code governs. Commissioner okay. So im going to read something from Prop K which may be unfortunate to the Permit Holder, but oh, well. Im sorry. And it says if im quoting from this document, Proposition K requires that a Permit Holder quote actively and personally engage as Permittee Driver under any permit issued to him or her for at least four hours during any 24hour Period on at least 75 of the business days during the calendar year. So theres no arguing with that because thats in writing, thats in a document. So my interpretation of that is that if an individual like mr. Horbal can no longer drive four hours during any 24hour Period on at least 75 of the business days during the calendar year, then that Permit Holder is not fulfilling their obligation to the terms and conditions of that permit. Would that be considered correct . Is that why were here . Were here because of the Transportation Code which has the same requirements in it. Its the Transportation Code that really governs the rights and obligations. Commissioner so to my other question previously to the appellant or the appellants representative, even if the appellant found a qualified driver with a type a license etc. , etc. And had that individual drive four hours a day during any 24hour Period on at least 75 of the business days, that still wouldnt fit the criteria of the permits terms and conditions, correct . It would have to be the permittee. That is true. The permit hold the Prop KMedallion Holder must be a fulltime driver. Now, there are more hours in weeks than a single driver. So a Medallion Holder who does fulfill that requirement of the medallion made in Addition Lease the medallion either to a Taxi Company or to another driver. Commissioner t fundamentally thats the reason why youre here today and this Permit Holder has been stripped of his permit is because according to the terms and conditions of the permit and the legislation, unless he can drive those four hours 75 of the time, then theres no way that he can qualify to maintain this permit, correct . That is exactly true. Commissioner okay. Thank you. Director thank you. And we have a question from commissioner lopez. Commissioner thank you. Just a couple questions, mr. Emery. The Transportation Code doesnt outline theres a right to sell the permits, but under the this loan settlement, the creation of the Surrender Program, that does give certain folks and the Appellants Situation a right to sell the permit, correct . No. Theres no right to sell permits at all. And thats what Section 116a 4 of the Transportation Code makes entirely clear. Theres absolutely no right to sell or to return a permit and receive consideration for it. Im being specific and not using the Word Sell because you cant sell something you dont have. Thats the medallion and permit, thats not something that the driver owns. The sloan settlement doesnt have any force at all or suggest that theres a right to choose compensation for the permit. The Trial CourtSloan Case the m. T. A. Submitted that decision. That decision by the Trial Court and said there is a fulltime Driving Requirement. The fulltime Driving Requirement for the americans with disabilities act and the a2 drivers appealed that and then they decided to drop their appeal. One of those drivers said, well, the reason im dropping this appeal is because m. T. A. Has a new program and under the new program. I can get some compensation. But if there had been any hick ups along that road and if that appellant had been unable to get consideration for his medallion, the only thing he would get was he could pick up his appeal again and the appeal that he had lost. It wasnt any right that those conditions for dropping the appeal did not establish or recognize any right to a compensation. Commissioner but absent pending an appeal, the program, would, you know so absent a Permit Holder thats in enforcement proceedings, the Surrender Program does give a pathway to compensation for Permit Holders is that a misunderstanding. Thats a hypothetical pathway now because nobody is signing up to get the medallions. Commissioner and the agency signed that program, correct . Or was that something imposed . The agency created the program in 2010. Commissioner just shifting gears, you know, im wondering and mr. Cran feel free to chime in as well, it sounds like and maybe im just not familiar enough with the enforcement regime, but it sounds like theres perhaps enforcement officers who have some discretion in terms of which matters they choose to enforce and, you know, may kind of bounce the equities individually in the process of choosing which matters to enforce and then theres, you know, presumably an appeals Hearing Officer thats, you know, as i think numerous sides have stated here, theyre very much bound by the Transportation Codes in terms of whether the Enforcement Action is, you know, appropriate for an appeal. Is that generally correct and, you know, if thats correct, can you give me a sense for what kind of volume the enforcement officers have in terms of reviewing matters for enforcement versus a Hearing Officer . Well, the analogy that sticks in my head is not everyone who drives 90 miles an hour on 2a gets a ticket and the fact that you got a Ticket And Somebody else didnt is not a basis to challenge. The enforcement in this situation and i will acknowledge that there are people who have been maintaining medallions that are not entitled to them and it took awhile for the m. T. A. Division to catch up with these people. I consider that a benefit they had for several years that they were not legally entitled to. Not a justification to keep the permit theyre entitled to. It was found by the Transportation Code and the Transportation Code says that. The Enforcement Discretion rests with mr. Cran and with the m. T. A. Taxi division. This Hearing Officer according to section 1120e 1 of the Transportation Code must base his or her decision on the Transportation Code and there is no room for those equitable discretionary actions because its the Taxi Division that has the authority and thats what we need to preserve here. And just pulling that a little bit further, the appellants made the statement that the matters such as this havent been enforced something like this for 18 years. Can you react to that statement . Im a late arrival in the taxi regulation. Hes been with the m. T. A. Since 20 a