Chairman good morning. This meeting will come to order. Welcome to the may 6th, 2021, regular meeting of the Government Audits and Oversight Committee. I am Supervisor Dean Preston ton, chair of the committee. Im joined is by Vice Chair Supervisor connie chan and Committee Member Supervisor raphael mandelman. The Committee Clerk is John Carroll, and i want to thank Sfgov Tv for staffing this meeting. Clerk in order to protect the public and board members and city employees during the Covid19 Emergency, the board of supervisors legislative Chamber And Committee room are closed. Committee members will attend the meeting through Video Conference and participate in meeting to the same extent as if they were physically present. Public comment will available for each item on this agenda, both channel 26 and sfgovtv. Org. And there is the calling number across the screen at this time. 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Chairman thank you, mr. Clerk. Please call the first item. Clerk item 1 is a hearing on the investigation of complaints on the standard Living Conditions at Plaza East and discussions of proposed plans for the property. Members of the public who are interested in providing public comment should call 4156550001, then i. D. 1871614177, press the Pound Symbol twice and then and 3. Mr. Chair . Chairman thank you, mr. Clerk. And i received petitions from over 30 of my constituents who live in Plaza East, and today at their request, we are holding this hearing. And im pleased to be moving forward with this informational hearing to address the current conditions at Plaza East, and the plans for the property, both in terms of the immediate repairs and the longerTerm Plans for Plaza East. Our purpose in having this hearing is to honor the request of residents that this be heard, and more attention focused on the plight of the residents at Plaza East, and to increase transparency, accountability, and to make sure that the residents of Plaza East are healthy and safe. Its also essential, in my opinion, that we recognize and note the significance of housing for the africanamerican community in San Francisco at a time when we have seen so much displacement of africanamericans San Francisco, and in recent history from the filmore district. Sadly, up until now, Plaza East has too often been a story of government neglect, of displacement, and now in recent years with the federal government really abandoning its role in many ways in public housing. The risks and concerns that be can raised with privatization Plaza East was built in 1956, highrisetowerstyle, and well hear more detail from presenters, but wanted to give some basic information to get us started. So it was built in 56. And in 2001 it was rebuilt by mccormick, barrick, and seltzer, who will be presenting today under hope 6, and at that time, the number of units, when it was redeveloped in 2001, was decreased significantly. It was reduced to 163 units. With only 67 of the former plaza residents able to move back in after the rebuilding. In my view, a very troubling history of people being displaced through demolition of public Housing And Rebuilding that did not accommodate everyone moving back in. Complaints regarding the condition followed soon after folks moved back in. There is quite a bit of history going back, but i will say fast forward to where we are now, and after years of troubling conditions at the property, the latest plan that we will hear more about involves, again, doing a demolition. This time with replacement of the public housing units, all of them, but also potentially adding in Marketrate Housing at the site for a much larger development here. We will get into all of this, some of this i will touch on now, but we will hear from presenters. But before we get into that, i do want to and should i started out just to thank the many brave tenants at Plaza East who have come forward to speak out, to stand up for their rights, to demand fair treatment. I especially want to thank resident of Plaza East, dennis williams, who is also the founder of no racism, no hate San Francisco, who has work really tirelessly particularly in the last year, but before that as well, to bring to light the issues at Plaza East. And i want to recognize and thank Martha Hollins of the Residents Council who has been working to improve the lives of tenants at Plaza East. And several weeks ago, an article from the San Francisco public press took a deep dive into the Living Conditions at Plaza East. The article documented in detail the uninhabitable conditions, and how residents have complained about a series of housing problems, including leaking pipes, rotting floors, electrical problems, inadequate ventilation, causing Moisture And Mold to build up, and sewage bubbling up on base boards, and issues with front doors not locking properly, and a long list of other serious conditions that were outlined in the article and are wellknown to residents. Residents shared that the conditions at the complex really have significantly declined over the years. We know that there are some signs of progress, and we will talk about those as well today, more recently. But i want to say part of the impetus for this hearing is no resident in this city should be forced to live in these conditions. And i think, and i hope, that we can all agree that immediate action is necessary. Some of it is now under way to address the uninhabitable Living Conditions that the residents are experiencing. In addition to the daytoday Living Conditions, there are serious issues around what the ultimate disposition of the property will be. On november 19th, just at the end of last year, 2020, the Housing Authority ready commission authorized its director to submit an Inventory Removal Application to h. U. D. , for Plaza East, which is the first step for the demolition process, and by signing off the plan that involved tearing down and rebuilding at the site. The Housing Authority submitted a Demolition Application to u. S. Department of housing and urban development, h. U. D. , for review on January 9th of this year. This would have been the first hope 6 project to be torn down in this city, and the demolition would have been the second time in just 20 years that h. U. D. Would have given approval for m. B. S. To tear down and rebuild Plaza East, this time with a plan to include hundreds of marketrate units as part of the proposal. Since we announced this hearing several weeks ago, several significant things have occurred that i want to touch on briefly before we get before we turn things over to our presenters. First we learned that the h. U. D. Demolition application was withdrawn. On april 22nd, the Housing Authority voted to pull the section 8 Demolition Application. We understand the reason for this was that on march 30th, h. U. D. Had informed the Housing Authority of its decision that the application does not meet h. U. D. s cost of rehabilitation, and h. U. D. Was discontinuing its review of the application. Second, we learned that the affordable Housing Loan Committee had recommended, and the Mayors Office of Housing Director had signed off on a 2. 7 million loan for Emergency Repairs at Plaza East. So we welcome the decision to invest in Plaza East and look forward to hearing more about those Plans Today for these Emergency Repairs. And, third, since the hearing, we learned that the Property Management would transition to a new Property Management company. Our understanding is m. B. S. Remains as the Managing Partner of the property and will be responsible for the development, but in terms of Daytoday Work with the tenants, that John Stewart Company will be taking that over. That was originally scheduled for may. It is our understanding that that is now scheduled for june. I talked with each of the relevant departments, and my office has been in communication with the departments since that time. And weve received assurance about plans and improved communications with the tenants, as well as just getting clarity about who is responsible for what. There are a number of departments involved, and that is part of why we wanted to bring everyone together for this hearing. I have little question that the media coverage, and our hearing requests, and all of the tenants organizing have brought more attention to the plight of the Plaza East tenants, but i also want to say we have a long way to go. I view this hearing as more of a start than an ending point. I am guided by three principles in this discussion that i view as nonnegotiable. I think that, first, the urgent repairs and improvements must be made to protect the Health And Safety of residents. We cannot have one set of standards for people who live in public housing and one set of standards for everyone else. That is not acceptable, and these repairs need to be done urgently. Second, there needs to be Transparency And Communication with residents along the way, both about repairs and about any redevelopment plans or proposals. I hope we can all work together to figure out how to better move forward and make sure that all residents are informed and involved about decisions impacting their home. And the third is that decisions about the future of Plaza East must be led by the residents. Sounds like a simple statement, but i will tell you that my observations since coming to City Hall just over a year ago are that generally that is not how it works in San Francisco, particularly when it comes to public housing, that decisions are often made by City Hall, by developers, and then presented as a pretty much done deal to tenants. And we need to change that dynamic. And it is hard to do, but we need to do it. The residents need to be charting their own future with the help of the city, not being told by the city what their future will be. With that, id like to turn it over to our speakers of weve got a number of them. I have asked them to present on very short timelines here. And we will the clerk will be tracking the time and will give a general reminder when time is up. So we are going to start the plan was to first start with the Housing Authority, whose property it is, and then move to mccormick, barren, and seltzer, their managing department. But my understanding from conversations with the Housing Authority, that their presentation would be intertwined in the way it might make sense to hand the floor to them both simultaneously for a 10minute presentation. I would like to do that now. I believe we have Audie Nicrage from m. B. S. , and this team, and the head of the Housing Authority, dr. Qich. Whatever order you want to go, i want to turn the floor over to you now. Good morning. So thank you for inviting us to today to share about this collaborative partners. The office of the Housing And Workforce development has been assisting with m. B. S. To schedule the scope of repairs, as well as the Mayors Office of Housing And Community development, providing a muchneeded loan for immediate repairs and services. Plaza east was selected as a hope 6 grantee in the 90s. And the obvious reason was intended to redevelop the most dilapidated public housing developments in the nation. And as Chair Preston mentioned, Plaza East was built back in 2001, where residents returned to 193 units, versus 253 units. And this site continues to be 100 public housing, and it is actually the only site that we now have in the city that is 100 public housing. And as a result, Plaza East has not received any additional funding for rehabilitation or redevelopment. And over the years, Plaza East, like all public housing developments, has received independent physical inspections by h. U. D. , that examine all external buildings to ensure that all systems are up to code, working as intended, and are free of Fire And Safety hazards. And physical inspectioning are conducted inside within individual units to adequately ensure that all appliances, electrical systems, and openings, such as doors and windows, are working properly. Based on independent inspections by h. U. D. , Plaza East had an average score of 85 between 2013 and 2017. Im not sure why, but between 2013 and 17, basically most of all of our sites were receiving the react inspections, and i do believe it is because the Housing Authority was really experiencing difficulties with its properties. This rating was 24 higher than the Passing Score of 60 over that period of time. And these scores were a way for h. U. D. And the Housing Authority to determine that the property met the required h. U. D. Standards. I do believe we all agree the reason were here today is that we do want more for the residents of Plaza East, and we want more for the children who live at Plaza East. And we also want, as a partner to m. B. A. , and as the Land Owner of this property, we want to ensure that our residents have more. It is no secret, as Supervisor Preston has mentioned, there is great need of repair. We have seen that in the newspaper. It is not a secret to me. Ive been here 20 months, and under my leadership for this past 20 months, myself, my staff, along with m. B. S. , and working with others, we have actively and diligently worked on solutions for the shortterm, medium, and longterm for the conditions. Were highly committed to doing so in a very quick manner. And we are committed to ensuring that Plaza East is reimagined by the community before a package is resubmitted to h. U. D. That is one of our primary responsibilities in this relationship, as well, is to work alongside m. B. S. And h. U. D. , to develop the right conditions for Plaza East as it is reimagined with the community. We have met with m. B. S. For replacing broken windows, ground support, and providing additional funding above their stated budget, where the authority could do so. We have also actively participated in Community Engagement meetings to better understand the needs of the residents and how we might assist. It is true, with 20 years of decreased funding for public housing, not just at Plaza East, but throughout the nation, we realized it has been difficult for this site to maintain its integrity as it relates to its structure. So it is time that we engage our residents and identify viable options that will improve the quality of life at Plaza East, and we remain diligently committed, along with m. B. S. , to do so. I will now turn this part of the presentation back over to audie. Thank you, director. And good morning, everyone. Thank you, Supervisor Preston for convening us. Im joined today by the team at m. B. S. It is myself, im senior Vice President for development for m. B. S. , colleen blackwell, and tony seltzer, and you alluded to some of the history 20 years ago, and we invited mr. Salzar because he had some action. And on the management side, lashonda and jeff are joining us. I just wanted to augment what the director said with three over arching points. Number one, we have heard from the residents loud and clear that their Living Conditions at the site are not acceptable. Weve heard residents say that Management Staff Turn turnover is not acceptable. Response time is not acceptable. We hear you. And well explain today how we got here, and, more importantly, what were doing to address the Emergency Repair Work that has already started, and the transition Management Company starting june 1st. Secondly, we will talk a little more about the 100 housing sites, and the lack of funding they received from the federal government, and transitions to hope s. F. , or Rad Program, that the city has engaged in to unlock a lot more subsidies. But last thing, i want to recognize that were all here for the same reason to ensure that the residents of Plaza East have homes where they feel safe and they can thrive. I know were all here representing different organizations and have different ideas of how to get there, but we all share this common goal. Ill be sharing information today, but ill be listening, and our team will be listening, to ensure that we meet this common goal as quickly as possible. Thank you, Supervisor Preston for bringing this today because i know you also share this common goal. With that, im going to attempt to share my screen. Can you see that . Yes. For orientation, Plaza East, 193 units of family housing, situated over three blocks. Overview of the history, some of which was captured by the supervisor and the director, this is 100 public housing site, and the property is owned by a partnership of the Housing Authority and m. B. S. M. B. M. Is the Property Manager, and Property Management at the site will transition to John Stewart starting on june 1st. Existing conditions at this site, as mentioned, like a lot of public housing around the country, they are historically underfunded. Operating subsidies at plaza, since 2008, the property has been undersubsidized by about 1. 7 million, and that has given rise to certainly the residents concerns about property maintenance, and the property running on a deficit. The rents are fixed as extreme low incomes, and when the subsidies are inefficient to offset the annual expenses, thats where we get our negative deficit. Work orders seem to be more expensive. Even though we have had this long, hard history, covid19 certainly exacerbated the situation where we had an increase of over a half million dollars in annual expenses from all of 20 and the first four months of 2021, which were mostly water, sewer, and trash expenses spiking because our families were at home and not at school or at work. So the impacts on the residents, again, the average income is e. L. I. , which is 24 a. L. I. , and that translates 20 about 42,000 a year for a family of four. Two parents and two kids, and two parents are making, at the most can make 21,000 each in order to live at the property. So when there is not enough cash coming in, this means we have to cut back on security, on workforce, job training, education services, and other resident services that the residents have been requesting. So in addressing how to in evaluating how to address this, we have mindful of two parallel tracks. The more immediate and high Priority Track is how to address the growing concerns that residents have about deferred maintenance. In 2020, we hired fineline construction, who is experienced. We have specialists and a general contractor in San Francisco to walk through 100 of the units that informed an Emergency Scope of work. Last december we applied to a Loan Committee for Emergency Repair funds. This year we met with d. D. I. To discuss how to clear notices of violations. On april 16th, we secured Emergency Repair funding for 2. 7 million to address the Repair Work, and about 200k to repairs at the site. This month the Repair Work has begun. On june 1st, John Stewart will take over Property Management, and were going to we have engaged and will continue to engage in ongoing Resident Dialogue before, during, and after the Repair Work is complete. Concurrently, what weve been hearing from residents is that there are a lot of structural challenges, problems at the site that cannot be addressed and solved by rehab. And so summer of last year we began to have discussions, listening sessions with residents, to talk about reimagining Plaza East to talk about what is missing. With the bottom Line Principle that one for one Replacement Housing is guaranteed. What we heard from them over and over was safety concerns about a small alley on one of the blocks where a lot of the residents feel not safe. Ongoing infrastructure problems and a lack of Social Services both on site, both in the physical spaces, and certainly the funding available to accommodate services. And so as we think about the housing, we think that this is, you know, again, a guarantee of oneforone Replacement Housing. And to potentially increase the amount of affordable housing onsite, create new amenities, and a more thriving community integrated into the neighborhood. The goals of the financing, most importantly, will be to increase the annual necessities flowing to the property. Were exploring programs with varying levels of subsidies, and we need to reflect the h. U. D. Goals that they have. With that, ill turn it back over to the director to cover the next two slides, please. Two minutes remain on the clock. So the Housing Authority in this city, we had to create that the current funding streams would not be sufficient to maintain the existing plaza structures over a longterm. And so we began having discussions with h. U. D. About how we could best receive 100 financing around a new concept of reimagining Plaza East. And the goal has always been to do that with the residents. In november, we brought that particular process to the Housing Authority commission, which approved it. And then in january 2021, we submitted the application on behalf of m. B. S. To h. U. D. To move forward. In march 2021, that particular package was discontinued, and we through that process, we had back and forth with h. U. D. And began to correspond and discuss what could we do to potentially secure the future of Plaza East in a way that would be revitalizing the community at large. One of the potential avenues we have is the Rad Blend, which provide us with 80 of our incorporates being funded at 100 , and 20 at a rad mechanism, which is all tremendous by h. U. D. And one of the great things about the Rad Blend, at the time we were doing the second 8 application, it was not available. With the Rad Blend, there is no screening, and there is absolute right to return for all tenants, which is really important. And it is consistent with the Rad Program that is here at s. F. Today. Thats the timer, mr. Chair. Chairman thank you. Do you need a couple more minutes to go through yes, please. As it relates to the Tenant Council Leadership that has been mentioned, the role of the Tenant Council is to improve the quality of life with residents satisfaction. And it is to uphold the federal regulations that directly forms this particular council onsite. It is typically it typically seats a president , Vice President , treasurer, secretary, and sergeantatarms. Their name must be on the lease, and all voting members of the resident community must give sufficient notice for nominations and elections. So it really is a formulated body that has a set of regulated rules by h. U. D. , and it requires a third party. And the Tenant Association or council really is a way to ensure that residents have a right to organize and select a council that represents their interests free of s. F. H. A. , if you will, and this is at all public housing sites. Thank you for the extra time, supervisor. We know that the residents are not a monolith, but we acknowledge them as leaders of the community, and are proud of our relationship with them. Here is just a list of meetings were had since last summer with resident council and with residents, and we can speak more to these meetings and the content shared during the q and a session. Here is a list of the Tenant Council Leadership, Martha Hollins as the president , tray walker, sergeantatarms, and Chris Mccoy as well. Just two more slides, supervisor, if that is okay. A quick summary of the timeline. In november, fineline began to work through units in preparation. They initially walked through a portion of the apartments and the Mayors Office of housing suggested, and i think appropriately so, that they take the time to go back and walk through all of the units, or as many as possible, in order to inform the appropriate scope of work. And, again, in november, they approved the section 18 application. On december 28th, we submitted our application to the Loan Committee for 2. 5 million, based on this fineline 20 walk. In january, we submitted our Section Application to h. U. D. In march, we had conversations with h. U. D. To discontinue our section 18 application, and then soon after had early discussions with them on the Rad Blend program, which is very new. It launched in january of this year. Also in april, we received Loan Committee approval and had a Community Kickoff Meeting last week with the residents to inform them. And other repair funds, the Property Repair and Social Services, also. This month were meeting with residents on the Repair Work, which has already begun. Social services has begun, as well, onsite, which we can speak to more later. And well begin resident meetings for the revitalized Plaza East. June 1st, John Stewart will take over for Property Management. And well have discussions with h. U. D. On how to increase resources. Starting in july onward, more ongoing meetings with the residents and the new manager, and continued input on the future of Plaza East. So that concludes our presentation. Chairman thank you very much. And im going to hold questions at this time until all the presentations are done. We have a number of departments and individuals were hearing from. So please stay on. And well have some questions for you. Next i wanted to and i do want to note we i did speak with ms. Hollins. The Residents Council invited her to speak. Her preference was to call in during comments. Next up, i want to turn it over to filon highland, and she has worked with public housing residents around the city, and many of the residents at Plaza East. Mr. Hyatt . Thank you for this, by the way. This is a quick introduction for me. So i work with Tenant Associations and tenants under h. U. D. All across San Francisco, and ive also been trained nationally on the east coast with Tenant Associations and other h. U. D. Buildings. Just to kind of move into this real quick, i have an extensive knowledge of working with Tenant Associations and tenants under h. U. D. One of the things i commonly see are a list of questions ill pose to you all, which centers around who makes the decision on behalf of whom . What happens when the key people are left out of that Decisionmaking Process . And what happens when decisions that directly affect tenants, are made on behalf of tenants, but without those tenants included in the Decisionmaking Process . I want to make this next part very clear when i say that. Having to to put it bluntly, having a minority of tenants on a property, who are literally assembling for the first time to communicate with you does not qualify as tenants actively making informed decisions and consentual decisions to their future. In addition, you know, putting Tenant Associations, which usually usually have very little contact with the majority of the tenants in a place to represent all tenants for major Decisionmaking Processes is also, in my opinion, and usually what i usually see with other tenants, to put it bluntly, rather problematic. I just want to also say on this right here, to try to smooth this a little bit, yes, we do have the common goal, and i appreciate you all naming that, and the goal is being met under very strained conditions. Yes, there has been decades of defunding with h. U. D. This is, by no stretch of the imagination, an easy process. Im only here to push the narrative that time and time again, we often Site Or Management often sites that there has been, quote, unquote, outreach, meaning that fliers have ended up on doors. And there is a, quote, unquote, listening session of some sort. But that is not Tenants Participation and negotiating and determining their future. And im saying that simply because ive seen this time and time again, in which there has been some arrangement that has been made by members of a Tenant Association, and two years down the road, when development really starts to kick off, to make sure everything pencils in, those arrangements shift. And it is usually at the detriment or loss or the utter confusion to the Tenant Association or the tenants. I really want to try to communicate that when community when tenants, as community, are censored, which is the utmost property of City And Government agencies doing this work when communities are censored, the decisionmaking looks different. As of right now, i can safely say there is to infrastructure in place for tenants to actively, collectively produce their needs, or collective needs, and enter into proper negotiations with Property Managers or city or h. U. D. At this time. Tenant associations dont qualify for that. Even though theyre the first people, the first line of tenants that are thought out to get approval of, like, major projects. For me, there is a need for real organizing, for tenants to collectively advocate for themselves. What i mean by that is, even as you put forward, you know, the meetings that took place, i always, like, push back against Property Managers. How many tenants were paid to be there, for example . There is a Power Dynamic that is at play, which it is the responsibility of the Property Manager to undo that Power Dynamic at play. But to end the relationship between Property Manager and tenant oftentimes the Property Managers will put the Onus And Brunt on tenants to simply show up with due diligence, week after week, to put that type of work in, even though theyre not resourced to understand the full breadth of what is about to happen. They dont have access to architects and engineers. In your view, can you speak on this issue and do you like this or not. [buzzer] how much time is left . Chairman thats five minutes. If you need a minute to wrap up, go ahead. Just a minute to wrap up. I honestly want to say to avoid displacement, Sto Tohave a smooth transition in which tenants can live, and to avoid displacement, there needs to be reinvestment in Communitybuilding And Community infrastructure. And time and time again, as they have happened across the nation, if there is no focus on community, then over time the community suffers. Ill end with that right there. Chairman thank you for sharing your perspective, mr. Hyatt. And i think we will go next to the department of building inspection. I understand we have mr. Brahona. Ill turn it over to you for five minutes. Good morning, supervisors. My name is luis brahona. Im with the department of building inspections. Derrick mar is the Housing Inspector that has been assigned to the western addition, pacific heights and the arena. And im his senior inspector. The San Francisco Housing Code establishes and maintains a minimum standard for over 400,000 San Francisco tenants. We verify and write up complaints. The owner is responsible for conditions on the property. We as Housing Inspectors do not make repairs. In 2007, d. B. I. Entered into an m. L. U. With the Housing Authority, in which we agreed to supplement the San Francisco Housing Authoritys inspection offices at San Francisco public housing sites. Per the m. O. U. , d. B. I. Inspectors respond to complaints at Plaza East, an issue notices of violations when verified. Generally speaking, most of the complaints we have received from residents have ranged from significant Water Damage to items like broken appliances and damaged flooring. According to our complaint tracking system, there have been about 35 housing complaints from tenants at the Plaza East in the last 15 years. There are 19 recent complaints regarding Plaza East that are still open or have been closed in the last year. Of these, seven we had initial contact with someone at Plaza East, and then for whatever reason we have not been able to gain access to conduct an inspection. And usually that entails calls or we tried to get in touch with them and havent gotten a call back to set up an inspection to schedule an inspection to go in. Four of these have resulted in orders of abatement. Two which we have scheduled reinspections, so those could be abated following those inspections. We have four fully corrected and four that are still in our enforcement process. Three have been partially corrected. Plaza east has had some particular challenges associated with it. There are multiple streets and addresses associated with the property, making it difficult to properly track violations visit the development as a whole. Were often unable to make, like i said, contact with residents after they filed complaints. In order for us to issue an n. O. V. , we have to gain entry to the specific building, and if they cannot, we have no way of verifying the complaint. There has been a lack of communication. There has been a Communication Breakdown between the tenants and the Property Management. An ideal scenario is that the Property Management and the tenants should be working together to get an issue fixed. This has not been happening. Until last year, we did not really have a reliable contact from Property Management. Im working with Supervisor Prestons office to see the response really improved. Once management designated a Point Person for the property, for addressing housing complaints, their response has greatly improved. Since Property Management has been more responsive, we would encourage tenants to file their complaints directly with Property Management as the code intends. We understand that the 2. 7 million loan will also fund new resident services. We look forward to working with the new service to ensure safe and inhabitable Living Conditions. As youve heard from m. O. A. Staff, requires the property own to abate any indiscernable to receive the affordable housing funds. Our goal is to ensure that residents at Plaza East are living in safe housing units. And thats my presentation. Chairman thank you. And finally we will turn to hear from lydia and amy for up to five minutes. Good morning, Supervisor Preston and members of the public and other members of the committee. Im lydia eli, and im the deputy for Housing M. L. C. D. , and i just have a few slides to share. But i hope to be able to put up right now, just explaining our role on this particular project. Im sorry. He it comes. Please let me know if you can see my slides . Chairman we could see them. Okay, great. Up until now, Plaza East has not been an mocd project. We look at unit conditions and affordability, but because we have never made a loan on Plaza East, it was not in our system to be monitored. We have, however, over the years had kind of light touches on plaza insofar as this part of the Housing Authority portfolio that the city, as a whole, and mocd has been supporting mostly over the last 10 years to stabilize financially and to move most of the projects from the public housing platform, which folks have acknowledged is a very unstable Funding Platform from the federal government move those projects into the section 8 platform. Thats what we did with rad. Thats what weve done with hope s. F. And other hope 6 projects that are owned and managed by m. B. S. Mocd has provided loans over the last year to repair and stabilize those projects. But Plaza East, we have not been involved in yet until now. So we learned of the need of repairs in december, when the condition inspections were going on as part of the section 18 application. And i guess thats when it first came to our attention that the needs were quite dire. So coincidentally, we were on another project, which was another hope 6 project, and because of changes to the federal Tax Credit program, all of a sudden there was a windfall from that project, and we pivoted with those funds and directed them towards Plaza East. So we put together a Loan Evaluation that we ran through our Peer Review and credit committee process, and it went to our citywide affordable Housing Loan Committee on april 16th. It was recommended for funding by that committee. Were closing a loan right now, and repairs are starting on monday through the notice to proceed process that we run. Youll see on this slide what the conditions are for our loans. In anticipation of some kind of revitalization or rehabilitation, or rebuild, we hope to be repaid, and we expect to be repaid with any proceeds that come out of that project. So we have also imposed loan conditions, when the citywide affordable Housing Loan Committee af approves the loan. Youll see that most of these are related to the scope of work and the pace of work that will be taking place over the next year. As folks, i think acknowledged, there were 20 units at the time of the Loan Committee, we did not have a scope because residents did not invite inspectors into their units. We want to see final scopes of work and we want to see before and after photos. And then in a slide or two, ill be showing you kind of what our typical menu of Monitoring And Enforcement functions are during crossexamination. Const. But these are the loan conditions in the loan approval. And well be asking for a monthly report updating us on progress. Thats a written report. We had a question about Property Management and what our role was in the change of the Property Manager at this site. Typically mocd requires projects to let us know of any change in Property Management. However, as i said before, we dont have a loan on this project, so that change did not come to us. We are, however, very aware of the fact that m. B. M. , which is Mccormick Ben Management arm has been ending its Property Management function for a number of former public housing sites in San Francisco, including the hope 6 project, so that has been kind of taking place over the last couple of years. I think plaza is the last one to make that transition. So our role during construction is quite involved. This is our typical kind of scope of services that we provide when we administer a construction loan. Chairman thank you. If you need a couple of minutes to finish up, go right ahead. Okay. I think all of the information is here on the slide. You see we approve, on a technical basis, all of the construction applications, which include typical Industry Lien releases. We approve every single change order. We hold on to 10 retention from each draw to kind of enforce performance all the way through to the end of the project. We also have a new rule during covid of really making sure that the projects, especially occupied rehab, are complying with safety protocols that we developed with c. P. H. And then as my colleague from d. B. I. Said before, we wont sign off on the project if there are any outstanding notices of violation. And we i think when we looked at it, there were 22 open m. O. V. S, but that is something well keep looking at. And then we close out the project, and that includes financing and final inspections, and we attend inperson meetings and site walks. That concludes my presentation. Chairman great. Thank you. Supervisor mandelman . Thank you, Chair Preston. So to this basically 3 million is for the most ff the most egregious notice of violation generating issues. I am wondering if you can describe what were getting for our 3million, and how that 3 million Price Tag relates to what we think are the actual needs. Regardless of a new project or a significant change, if we were just going to get this project operating the way people anticipated it would 20 years ago, whats the difference between 3 million and that . Thank you, supervisor. Those are great questions. So the first question what is our scope of work . Well, we followed our Rad Kind of establishing a hierarchy of needs, because as you acknowledged, we cant do everything that needs doing. Our top priorities are Life Safety. So in this case, the Fire Alarm systems and repair of the sewer laterals because the Sewer And Plumbing problems are posing Life Safety challenges. After Life Safety, we look at building envelopes. In other words, is the Roof Sound . Are the Windows Sound . Is there water coming into the building . Next we look at there presumably some of the roofs are not sound, and, yes, there is water coming into the build . I think in this particular case, our scope is not so much focused on roofs and windows. I can tell you that we are doing, as i mentioned, Fire Alarm upgrades in every single unit. Repair sewer laterals, and were doing some electrical work that we consider to be Life Safety for obvious reasons. Our next kind of item on our Triage List is inunit repairs. So understanding that often these repairs are more cosmetic. They often, in this case, seem to become almost Life Safety concerns in and of themselves. So well be doing flooring repairs, especially where there is a trip hazard, appliance replacement. There are some window replacements. Wall Heater Repair and replacement. So a lot of different work. And, again, weve established the scoper unit, and i think we have found quite a variation in the need by unit. I think our lowestpriced scope was 500, and our highest is about 40,000. I think were seeing about a 6,000 per unit cost. Let me just give you, for some context, what we did on rad. When we went and did the rad rehabilitations and capitalizations, our goal as required by h. U. D. Was a 20year use of life. We needed to do what we had do to do make sure the unit will be in use for 20 years. Our lowest was 80,000, and our highest was 200,000. And the rad projects on average were how old . The oldest one was from 1925, and the newest one was from 1991. All right. So this is obviously you know, as we called it, it is an Emergency Scope of work. It is not intended to position the project for many, many years of continuing function. It presumes a more ambitious and comprehensive plan that is not yet determined, but obviously is knead. Needed. Thank you. [please stand by] because they were so new, they didnt need any rehab. So this is the last of the bunch, and again, i think the reason it has [inaudible]. That means, they had acknowledged that the repair needs were beyond it was not cost effective to the projects were not cost effective, and the rehab needs were so extensive as to warrant a demolition approval. Now as folks know, we never did demo the projects. I just want to say that section 815 demos do not always result in demolition. It can be a Financing Section 8 demos do not always result in demolition. It can result in section 8 housing going forward. We were not involved in the section 8 application. Ive never seen it. Chair preston you mentioned a monthly report that youd be requiring as part of the loan essentially oversight of those funds. Would that be or will that be a document that can be shared with interested Committee Members . Yes. Chair preston okay. Great. And were any prior monthly reports regarding prior repairs presented to you, and ill ask the same of [inaudible]. I understand you sit in a certain role with respect to this new grant, but im interested, prior to that, whether there were similar reports being provided by i presume by m. B. S. , if there are such reports, to you by any authority and whether you have any such document . Right. Again, because were not a lender on the project, the project does not have any reporting obligations. So if they did, they would submit an annual monitoring report, which is a complex kind of affordable Analysis Document which also affects evictions and a lot of other data, but theyve never submitted one because theyre not an owner, and they would never deal with evictions, and weve never received any reports from them until now. Supervisor preston right. And in terms of the current work plans, which are being done when . Ive got some different things around when the actual work is started, and the initial claim i think some of the tenants were told at the beginning of may. So is that work underway, at what pace, and who is monitoring what is being done, and not i dont know the extent to which youre the right person. I dont know that we can hear from others, but id like to hear from mohcd. Yes. We are the entity with the issue to proceed, and we have a lot of Quality Control derived kind of requirements and insurances and all the other things that you can imagine would be wrapped up in a construction project. I confirmed with our Project Sponsor and confirmed that the work would be starting this coming monday, which is the 10. In terms of the scope of work, you may have notices in one of the loan conditions, were going to be continuing to work with m. B. S. Team Contractor to shorten the timeline for the work. Right now, the plan is to look on two units at a time, so were working with the owner to make sure that particular needs of individual households are being met. If i can ask about the m. B. S. About the status of that because its been a couple of weeks ago. Yes. Go ahead, mr. [inaudible] if you just briefly want to give us the update on has the work on units started or is it starting on monday . Whats the update on it . Yeah, so the general contractor is preparing the site. Before we go into occupied units, we want to lay out the scope of what would be done and what would not be done. Some folks who need cosmetic repairs would be out for a couple hours, and some folks who need more repairs would be out for a couple of days. So i see that pauline is on, as well. I dont know if you have anything to add to that, as well, pauline. Supervisor preston and have all the residents of Plaza East been notified in writing that when the work will commence and the schedule . Yes, and pauline can add a little bit more to that. So we held a meeting last monday for the Manager Change and the resident Services Team that will now be able to support them through this Process And Communication to make sure that families are supported. Were Hand Holding everyone all the way through, and also, this week, we sent out a letter to everyone who may have missed those meetings. We are working with meetings for the first families next week to talk about, as audie mentioned, everybody is going to be specific on what they need. Our first meeting is scheduled for tuesday, and once we understand what their individual need is, well be working with them and find a space for them to be safely under covid measures for a couple of hours, or, with families with more extensive repairs in their units, that they can be relocated for a few days while the work is being done on their unit. Supervisor preston thank you. And have all the residents been notified of the new date on which that will commence . Thats correct. We have someone manning a phone if anyone has any questions and troubleshooting branch of which teams to get a call on a daily basis so that we have a rapid response system. And all of these updates, its all part of our goal to provide better services to the residents, better response times, and someone is there to always answer questions, and again, just supporting residents at a better pace. Chair preston thank you. Let me just say the importance of updating folks and the addition of community meetings. Even if the few weeks that weve been talking about this hearing, there have been shifts of things, which i think, from your perspective, but it doesnt necessarily immediately get to tenants, but when theres a change, for example, the Property Construction is going to start in may, and then, its going to start may 15, and then, its going to start june 1. I cant emphasize part of beginning a new chapter here and restoring Trust And Confidence is going overboard with the transparency. I think mr. Hyatt was getting on that, and just the more we can do that when things evolve it sounds like its starting to happen more, which im really pleased its happening. I see that Supervisor Mandelman has a question. Can i just add, as part of that robust plan that were implementing now, were also bringing a Text Messaging System to Plaza East for more rapid communications. Again, this is utilizing the resources and tools and how residents are using cell phones and not just letters, so we are expanding our ability to communicate with residents as we get more resources built up with more of the supports at hand. Chair preston thank you. Supervisor mandelman . Supervisor mandelman actually, i have more questions that i could ask mohcd, but if we have presentations, we could get more presentations on the next slide. Chair preston i should mention that we do not have more presentations. We have heard all the presentations, and so feel free to go forward with your questions. Supervisor mandelman okay. I think this is a mohcd question. So and this is i think the operating dollars for Plaza East [inaudible]. Thank you, supervisor. I can speak to that and invite my colleagues from f. H. A. To chime in on the details, but yeah, essentially advising wherever possible, they should move their public housing out of the section 9 platform and into the section 8 platform which is more robustly funded and has more support in court. There is really no public housing left out there except for Plaza East and what we call the scattered sites that are also going through a Conversion Process through the platform. We are not demolishing units funded through mohcd. Weve been kind of ahead of the curve, and for the portfolio, for the 3500 public housing units, we put 135 million for those housing units, which is actually a great deal for the city, considering how many units it is. Supervisor mandelman and my recollection is, this using safe section 8, it started with the hope six program, but i guess not with Plaza East. Right. So i think Plaza East and the bernal dwellings, which two of the six the hope six projects that relied only on public housing funding, there were no section 8s mixed in there. Some have a Workforce Housing Requirement [inaudible]. Supervisor Mandelman Pay regional reserves and things like that. Thats correct. Supervisor mandelman well, thank you for that refresher. Thank you, Chair Preston, for calling for this hearing and starting this conversation. I am, you know, saddened, disappointed not at anyone here, really, but this 20yearold Project has not stood up as well as some of the 20 century public housing projects that were done. It is sad to me, and the theory behind, i think, sort of the hope six reenvisioning 20 years ago there were lots of views why public housing failed. Housing was too dense and public housing was too crappy, and the public Housing Sector Couldnt possibly operate public housing for people in an effective way, so we really needed to get these developments into provide hands and have them operated by private, you know, operators that would be able to do what public sectors have not been able to do, and there is a little bit of me that, you know, two years later, Plaza East is already kind of falling apart. I mean, there was some useful analysis in 20 century public housing. Probably it was too dense, and the not enough rental payments to keep the housing up. But fundamentally, the problem was not enough Operating Subsidy from the federal government, and that is why the 20 century public housing in my view, the 20 century public housing efforts failed, and at the end of the day, we need the federal government and or someone to be not just putting up fancy new buildings every 20 or 30 years but actually to be funding those buildings, whether it be a forprofit operator, a nonprofit operator, or a government operator, and we need to think about those, Chair Preston, particularly as we move forward. This is a sad and sorry chapter here in the saga of public housing. Any way, thank you. Chair preston thank you, Supervisor Mandelman. I did have a couple of questions about the longer Term Plans here, just starting with the Grant Committee that you spoke to earlier, the assumption is it is the revenue ultimately from a reimagined or revitalized or whatever we want to call it Plaza East that will one Day Pay for that. In deciding to make that loan, what representations were made what is your understanding or the Committees Understanding of what the longer Term Plan is . Is it a demolition or some or all of the east . Is it a certain unit count, a certain Income Mix or was the loan issued without that knowledge . Thank you, supervisor. So the loan was issued without that knowledge or Loan Evaluation on the details on what the revitalization will be and when it will happen are just not known. Understanding that the section 18 application to h. U. D. Is looking at options. What kind of options would be available if section 18 is pursued is kind of the first step, and the answer to that question, you know, could have helped drive the Community Process and the feasibility analysis. With h. U. D. Rejecting that, the team has gone back to the Drawing Board and the team is looking at other options, this r. A. D. Kind of the twiston r. A. D. That was issued at the end of december, 80 you can get section 8 on 80 of the units. Some of the questions now are can that be used for a rebuild or can that only be used for a rehab, so i think that the team is looking at those options. Were not weve not been pulled in on kind of the feasibility issues, but i imagine we will be once theres more of a plan. Supervisor preston thank you. And to dr. [inaudible] and the Housing Authority team, so at the time that the Housing Authority commission signed off on or approved the section 18 Demolition Plans, i just want to get clarity. Like, at that time, was the plan to demolish or was this sometimes, these applications can move forward whether or not theres a plan to demolish. This is something we arguably try today get clarity on, and would love if you could clarify the time that was approved, which is, you know, quite recently. Was the plan to demolition and and, also, what was the plan with respect to what units would be there after demolition. Sure. Thank you, Supervisor Preston. So at the time we submitted the application, it was a matter of submitting the application and being able to have a path forward. The path forward had not yet been preprescribed and designed. It was a matter of going through the process and describing what needed to be done, and all of that work needed to be done with the community. Chair preston i really want to get clarity on this because its not been clear to anyone else, and its not been clear to me. If that work had been approved, was that Housing Authority commission if they were approved, were they to move forward in approving a Demolition Plan or approving a definitely. Chair preston i dont want to put words in your mouth, but i would love to know which is the first . Again, its a first step as miss healey even describes. There were section 18 applications approved, but there were other things done in the process. Not all of those locations were demolished, but it is definitely a first step to determine what kind of financing is available, and what kind of financing can we speak about with residents because you have to be able to begin the process. Im sorry. Chair preston no, go ahead. And at the time of going through this process, you really had two choices. That was the section 18 application or the traditional r. A. D. In the middle of that process of requesting h. U. D. Saying we want to discontinue the section 18, we now have this new program called r. A. D. Blend, and even with the program, the r. A. D. Blend, theres still the option, do you decide to only rehab or do you decide to do demolition . And really, with these two processes, they are defining mechanism. The section 18 gives you 100 financing at the higher level. The r. A. D. Blend gives you an 8020. 100 of your units are funded at 80 , and 20 is at that r. A. D. Rate, which is lower. And then, you have straight r. A. D. , which is that lower rate of however h. U. D. Decides to calculate those dollars. So the best value in terms of a Funding Mechanism [inaudible]. Chair preston i think you just froze. Go ahead. I apologize, sir. The best value is the 100 . The second is the 8020, and then, the third is r. A. D. , which has a certain way of how its calculated. As weve all been discussing, when youre funding at a lower rate, it presents some real challenges when rents are stabilized at a certain rate, and then, if you have the option to have a higher rate, youre creating sustainability no matter what you decide at the end with in a cooperative manner. Chair preston yeah. I think thank you for sharing the information on the paths, but i still have a question. It seems like the ways that the various agencies are presenting and that m. B. S. Has in the past, as well, is lets just focus on housing for a section. An application for a section 18 of demolition at Plaza East was submitted and approved by the Housing Authorization commission, that that does not mean that the Housing Authority has approved any demolition. Am i reading that wrong or is that the position of [inaudible] . Thats our position. Its about a Funding Mechanism because all of the projects that have gone forward in home six, hope s. F. , it is about Community Engagement and involving the community and what is this community going to be and look like . Whether its a rehab and youre knocking down a portion of something or youre knocking down everything, it is really strictly looking at the level of funding that we have available to us to do any work . Its very important, the Funding Mechanism because public housing, we all know this, is traditionally underfunded. We are moving out of the public Housing Business to the section 8, our funding choice program, which is a higher subsidy, and also provides an opportunity for community services that residents need, and on and on and on, and those Dollars Cant come through a public housing mechanism. Chair preston thank you. And what id like to do, i think this is just a practical point is if decision has not been made, right, around future demolition, then, obviously, theres a window of chance around Resident Involvement in terms of making that decision, then, if that decision has been made. What i would like to do very briefly is just confirm with each department and to the developer what i think you just stated, which is whether there is or is not currently a plan to demolish, right . And then what id like to do is move to public comment because i know that we have some public comment. I know we can discuss this all day, but we have some folks that are waiting. If you could just simply confirm or tell me otherwise, lets just i think weve heard from Housing Authority and heard from mohcd, so for m. B. S. , is is there a from m. B. S. perspective, is there a current plan that involves demolishing some or all of Plaza East . So i can take that. No. We are going to engage with the residents, on what this looks like for Plaza East. We meet with you last year, and pauline and i appreciated your availability. You say in the application over and over that the future Plaza East will be based on the residents and what they want. You urged us to put that in writing and put a letter together for the residents essentially saying were applying for h. U. D. No matter what we say, basically, the future Plaza East is in your hands, and i appreciate that advice. It was really good advice. So what we did was drafted a letter on [inaudible] 13. Danielle Banks Group drafted a letter that said just that, to the residents have that in writing. We can share that back with everyone here. No matter what we represent to the feds in order to unlock additional money, the future of Plaza East is in their hands, so i appreciate your comment on that. Thank you, mr. Nagraj. Given the neighborhood of Plaza East, its just to impress upon folks is theres a bit of a cognitive disconnect. Were applying to the federal government for a demolition. Im just saying for the public, not just for residents of Plaza East, but for the residents of the entire community around the plaza, that that requires a pretty high level of communication to dispel what is a commonsense conclusion that people reached. Yeah. I think the title is demolition, demolition disposition, and i think that when you dont remove, and you just refinance through r. A. D. , thats the disposition. But i agree, its a term of art, its an insider term, and its hard for a lot of people to understand. Chair preston let me ask one more question of you, mr. Nagraj, before we go to public comment. Its been asked that the project is losing money. Youre not taking a public community stance, but you all are not a notforprofit entity. Like, how does m. B. S. And im not talking about exact number, but what is the pathway here that m. B. S. Sees to not losing money on this property, in fact, im assuming, to earny more money on the project . Well, i do see tony salazar is on, and because youre asking about kind of the larger mission on [inaudible] tony, could you start, and then, i can answer specifically for plaza . Sure, i can start, but its its Supervisor Preston, let me just take one minute to talk about how we got here, and that would be helpful. We stepped in as the developer of the Housing Authority. They prepared all the plans, demolition, occupancy, and everything that went to h. U. D. For their approval but had to get City And Resident approval prior. And h. U. D. Awarded the city 35 million of an hope six grant for this project, but just before closing, h. U. D. Did not allow the authority to act as a subdeveloper, so the city asked us to step in, so we stepped in and assumed the role of the developer, and thats just because of our public housing expertise. We are experiencing a transformation. Weve done 31 hope six developments, 14 choice neighborhoods, so we know this very well. This is part of our mission. This is what we do as a company, and so prior to stepping in, we went to the City And H. U. D. And residents and made sure that they were supportive of this plan, and we came in and stepped in as a pat ner with Everyone Partner and everyone, and were not stepping away. We do developments, but were not in the building and selling trade, were in the longterm business. Were a 50yearold Company whose social mission is to rebuild urban cities and create viable housing for families that need it the most. So were not walking away. Even though, you know, weve not made money on this development deal, were not taking a management feed, were part of the solution to right this ship and to restructure this development in the right way because thats the business that were in, and h. U. D. Would not be working with us on this, housing partners would not be working with us in other cities if we were not doing the right thing. And right thing here for us is making sure we restructure this development in the right way. So yeah, we came in as a partner, were staying as a partner in the right way. And even if we dont make a dime on this, thats okay because were a partner on this, and a partner with h. U. D. And the Housing Authority, as well. Chair preston thank you. And will the project include the addition of Market Rate Housing unit . You know, were evaluating all options because we know what we build around the country are driving mixedincome communities. We know that housing costs in San Francisco are the highest in the country. We think that theres an opportunity to add Tax Credit units, but we have not evaluated the h. U. D. Kind of the value of the subsidies and the r. A. D. Program. This is going to be a tenantled initiative. Meetings are going to be starting this month and were evaluating all options, and nothing has been confirmed or denied yet. Were in the Beginning Process of the revaluation process. I would say weve paused on this in the last six to eight weeks as we frankly spent a lot more attention on the immediate repair needs, and we see this Month Kind of moving back towards looking at the future. Chair preston thank you, and i appreciate you [inaudible]. I think that its one thing to keep options open for funding and the decisions around them, but its another thing to make them, and theres clarity around decisions that have not been made. Thank you, mr. Salazar, for weighing in, and lets go, mr. Clerk, to public comment. Clerk thank you, mr. Chair. Were working today with james smith for department of technology to bring in our public comment callers. For those who are watching our meeting on San Francisco Cable Channel 26 or via Streaming Link on sfgovtv. Org, please call in now by following the instructions on your screen. That would be by dialing 4156550001. Following that, enter the meeting i. D. Is 1871614177. Press the Pound Symbol twice and then star followed by three to speak. For those who have already connected to our meeting via phone, Press Star, three to speak to this item, and for those already in the queue, please continue to wait until it is your turn after youve called in. The system will prompt you when its your turn to speak. Mr. Operator, could you bring us the first individual who wants to speak to item one . Good afternoon, commissioners. Joyce [inaudible], chairman of the housing association. Thank you for explaining whats behind Plaza East, and if im not mistaken, when they lost units its because they added big ones. There were quite a few one bedrooms that were not conducive to the residents that were waiting at the time. As a leader, not just of with public housing but of the city, i want to understand what this mans talking about when people for the Tenant Association meeting with the t. A. The t. A. , the community elects the Tenant Associations and the councils to represent them because Everybody Cant be at all of those meetings, and its really difficult to get a lot of participate from residents when youre just volunteering. Theres no money, theres a small Participation Fund to have a meeting. Other than that, everything that martha and i have done for years is volunteer. And many of those residents appreciate martha because they elect here. That board is duly elected. I think maybe one person is elected. But if you want to know more about Tenant Associations, i suggest you read the code of regulation and see whats required of the City And Everyone to recognize them as duly elected. Anyone can run as long as youre on the lease, and outstanding means no violations, pay the rent, and 18 years of age. You dont have to have a ph. D. To run for office. So, you know, dont put down those people like me and martha, and people that are volunteering. All we want to do is see the community better. Clerk thank you very much, mr. Smith, for your comments. Mr. Operator, would you bring us the next caller. Is there a caller on the line, ready to go . Call you are, if youve just heard your line is unmuted, that means it is your turn to begin, otherwise, well have to come back around. Caller on the line, we are on Agenda Item Number one, and now is the time for your comment to begin. Hello. Clerk yes, please begin. My name is victor jones, and i am [inaudible]. I know that place back and forth. I know where i was yesterday and years ago, that i was very, very proud to say that when we come together as one and what we can do, we need to speak to that [inaudible] to go back and forth to the situation, i just think theres a plan that needs to happen. Theyve got [inaudible] and the ones that need to work can be a part of the plan, and i know that for sure because i havent found that. So i just wanted to say clerk thank you, victor jones, for your comments. Mr. Smith, could you bring us the next caller, please. Hello . Clerk hello, please continue. Can you hear me . Yes, can you hear me . Clerk yes, we can. Please begin. Okay. Thank you. Hello. My name is neola gassing, and i am with the public tenant housing, phta. Im very pleased to hear that the repairs on the Plaza East units will begin pretty soon, but i just want to express that their participation at Tenant Councils be recognized and be table at all times during this repairs and when the process starts, the demolition. Right now, theyre under the code 24 cfr 964, but when theyre converted under r. A. D. , their code will be 24 cfr 295. So if you can keep that in mind, it will be very, very good, and youll understand why its so important for resident councils to be involved in this process. Thank you. Clerk thank you very much for sharing your comments. Mr. Smith, could you bring us the next caller, please. Hello, hi. My name is danielle banks, and i am calling in on behalf of the resident services that going on at Plaza East. I just wanted to say just a few things, you know. As my involvement in the western Edition Community well, basically, i grew up there. And when i came back when i from college, my commitment to my community was very important. I started an organization called [inaudible] and we just entered our ninth year. But doing the work with the youth, you have to think about what happens when theyre no longer with you, working with our team. So it became very clear, when young people go home, they have to face a whole new set of situations. So looking at whats going on inside their home, it became very important to me to work with the families. So as a volunteer with young people, i decided to volunteer more and more of my time, just working in the community to get more connected. I think its very important that Plaza East have resident services. Ive seen them be successful in helping residents and providing them opportunities to step into other leadership roles to take more advantage of contributing to their communities and also having the support to have programs for families, for the youth, for seniors, for the disabled. Its very critical for the communities to have access for this, and its so unfortunate that the people of Plaza East have not had this at all, and all of this is dependent on the resident Council And Resident volunteers. Its very hard to provide support without Funding Clerk thank you very much, danielle banks. Mr. Smith, could you bring us the next caller, please . Hello. My name is comelia. Im a resident of Plaza East. Just to be quick, more of the main concern, i know Things Cant be done as fast as we expect, but having proper Office Staff that can actually handle Peoples Paperwork and the recertifications properly, and maybe you guys would be more on track with your funding and actually getting payments in . Weve had problems with that over the years, and like i said, ive been here 11 years and ive seen a number of things . As far as jumping quickly, because i know i dont have much time, the reorganization and rebuilding, giving us new appliances and fixing little things are all cool, can you done by regular maintenance, but there is water in the wall. Like, my Back Wall is basically coming apart, like, wet tissue, and they clean it up and put a board over it, so theres more work that needs to be done with the structure of the site . Second, third, is the adequate safety of everyone, having security. Now, i do support miss martha, who is our person who represents us, and also, the other services that theyre trying to bring are all very well, but the root of the problem is, you know, like, the buildings are starting to shift. There needs to be major maintenance, not just cosmetic maintenance . And my first thing and last thing is having adequate staff in the office. Theres a huge turnaround. Hiring maintenance that knows how to actually fix things, not just people you guys are wasting money onto be onsite that cant replace a hose or do basic maintenance stuff. Clerk thank you, comelia. Mr. Smith, could you bring us the next caller, please. Hello, this is chesswell barnes, d5 resident. I support the speakers already and give you some points. Text messaging is a problem in that you dont have any printout in what was communicated. A. M. I. Is the problem. When you talk about having mixed income at the site, because we are having a drifting higher and higher a. M. I. , so anchoring it to something that keeps moving is a disservice to our residents in San Francisco. 20year life to our h. U. D. Buildings is totally insane. I guess we Cant Control H. U. D. , but we should plan on more than a 20year life in San Francisco. Who will do the resident organizing that seems like the need for the Staff Person for that sort of thing, but who is actually going to do it . Major things like mold and other issues have to be taken care of, and why the heck is all of this being done during covid when live meetings are not possible . It seems like the train is running too fast, and people are going to get run over, so lots of issues big and small, and i really think that san franciscans deserve better treatment than theyve been getting here. Thank you. Clerk thank you, chesswell barnes. Mr. Smith, can you bring us the next caller, please. Hello. My name is kevin daniels, and im with urban strategies. Weve been working on this with martha and the resident council as well as with the [inaudible] resident services. And id really like to say weve been doing this over 40 years across the country, and weve learned some things along the way. One Thing Weve learned is its important to have people on the ground doing the works because they understand the local history, so its going to be our job moving forward supporting those on the ground with our experience, so we are definitely going to be a part of this project, and we are definitely committed to see it to the end. Clerk thank you, kevin daniel. Could we go to the next caller, please, mr. Smith . Hello. This is mr. Dennis williams, 20year resident of Plaza East. I had to find im the founder of no race and no hate San Francisco. Its a grassRoots Organization that i had to file due to the residents after meeting with the head developer, pauline, visiting martha [inaudible], Joyce Armstrong, david hollands and so forth and getting nowhere, so we definitely had a fight on our hands. What were dealing with can you hear me . What were dealing with is corruption. Were trapped in a pattern of corruption. D. B. I. , we reached out and found no transparency with them due to Tom Hue being at the head, Rodrigo Santos being in corruption, and its all been in the f. B. I. Reports and due to complaints being squashed. We finally had to get stories by the San Francisco press, San Francisco chronicle and with numerous civil rights violations. Its a shame that [inaudible] that marched with dr. Martin Luther King in the past and that has allowed them to get favor with housing projects nationwide. I imagine that dr. Martin Luther King would be dismayed because of the mistreatment of african americans on housing properties. A big problem is the board of supervisors has been giving money to political i say political officials, namely, mayor London Breed and president Shamann Walton or at least backing them just because theyre african american. Clerk thank you for your comments, mr. Dennis williams. Mr. Smith, could we get to the next caller, please . Hello. My name is Deanna Pearson, and i am a resident of Plaza East. I want to be a part of the decision made in my community, and im looking forward to working with miss martha, Danielles Team, to make sure we have a voice. I am Darius Perkins growing up here in Plaza East, and i am excited to think about new youth programs and youth facilities where i can spend my time and feel safe as a human in this community. I want to be a part of all of the changes and hope to work with m. B. S. And Danielles Team and everyone. Thank you. Clerk thank you, Deanna Pearson and Darius Perkins. Mr. Operator, could you bring us the next caller, please . Im a resident of Plaza East. I live right across the street, and i think its unthinkable that we would let the residents of Plaza East suffer any further. The federal government, i think, and the developer and the city have all failed them. But as a city, we have a moral as well as a legal obligation to make sure that everybody at Plaza East has safe, healthy, and secure Living Conditions. I totally agree with Supervisor Preston and the residents that how we get there, the processes and the decisions that need to be made must be led by the residents at Plaza East themselves. If there was negligence in the construction or work, then that must be investigated. The answer is certainly not to add forprofit units, Market Rate units for wealthy people, and its not to give the developer [inaudible] who is construction deteriorated whose construction deteriorated in only 20 years, but the bottom line is its not up to me or any other outsider. All of the decisions on Plaza East has to be up to the residents on all of these things. Thank you. Clerk thank you, lorraine petty. Mr. Smith, could you bring us the next caller, please. Hello. Hi. My name is yolanda marshall. I am a resident of Plaza East. I disagree with Joyce Armstrong when she said that the residents asked her to be a voice. I am a resident, and i have my own voice. I dont agree with miss martha and many people around here have a cult going on. Many residents dont know whats going on. I agree with Dean Preston and making things better, and im looking forward to working with him and other people, but i disagree with martha that she is our voice. I did not agree with her being my voice, and i look forward to working with Dean Preston, and thats all ive got to say. Clerk thank you for your comments, miss marshall. Mr. Operator, could you bring us the next caller. Hello. Hello . Clerk yes, please begin. My name is asie, and i am a resident of Plaza East. First, i would say that miss martha does not represent me, either. I have not been familiar with Project Level up, either, as regards to the Plaza East residents. There are a lot of issues here that have been represented by not only the residents but other officials that ive seen here today that are unfortunately [inaudible] effect. There are also emotional traumas that have been a part of living here that, in my opinion, have been created by the lack of our security, our lack of concern for our wellbeing, and we are only expected to pay our rent. There have been fundings for programs here that have not benefited the residents to the extent that they need to. We need representation from true residents such as myself and dennis, and we also need the ability to have, again, transparency and have the option for redevelopment, including retail space so residents can be a part of the new wave of San Francisco, which is affordable living, not just housing because we know San Francisco is a wealthy city, and any rent in this city would be likely upwards of 5,000 or better, and we would like to be included. Clerk thank you very much for your comments. Mr. Operator, would you let us know if theres any further callers in the queue . Operator theres no further callers in the queue. Clerk thank you. Chair preston thank you. Seeing no further callers in the queue, public comment is now closed, and Supervisor Chan. Supervisor chan thank you, Chair Preston. I just want to thank all the resident that call in to take the time to really make the public comments today, and i just really want to thank Chair Preston for having this hearing. My aide to Supervisor Sophie Maxwell in 2006 included experience in public housing, and it was very hard how h. U. D. Mistreated and managed tenants. Seeing utilities shut off and seeing windows boarded up and went on without fixing and repairs for quite some time, the Living Condition was not quite right. And also had an opportunity as an aide of watching the opportunity for r. A. D. In chinatown as an aide to Supervisor Aaron Peskin and seeing how an organization like chinatown Community Development center come in to really work with the tenant that living in [inaudible] for a long time and other public housing and see the transformation for that community there and the Living Condition with painting fresh coat of Paint And Lighting and increase of safety, and those are the things that truly taught me what it means that, you know, that we need to really need to have a Tenant And Community working together and advocating for our tenant, and we need to do that from a Community Level and help us to breakdown the bureaucracy. I really urge everybody on this Presenter Today to really work closely with the tenants and the community to really improve the Living Condition. Im pleased to hear that there will be a new management coming in, John Stewart Company, in june, but i dont think that that is a silver bullet, and it really takes an on going effort and a lot of Hand Holding, and so hats off to Chair Preston and his office and team. Its lot of work, and i know that, and so i but i look forward to, if granted the opportunity, to hear update, really, where were heading and making sure that Plaza East tenants really have a safe and healthy Living Condition moving forward. Thank you. Supervisor preston thank you, Supervisor Chan. And i do want to thank my colleagues on the committee and just recognize that we dont office have hearings for a specific site in our districts, but i think that the significance of what happened in Plaza East, the site has not gone through the conversions that have been described, but its of huge importance not just to district 5 but to the entire city and certainly preventing more displacement of the african american community and if done right, potentially creating more opportunities for folks who have been displaced from the fillmore to move back to fillmore. So its a matter of citywide significance. At the same time, it is unusual to have a lengthy hearing around a particular site in a particular district. I just want to express my appreciation to Supervisor Mandelman and Supervisor Chan for their interest in something that is ultimately in my district. I did have a couple other questions for the authority folks and then unless there are other questions from colleagues, we can move towards wrapping this up. I do want to echo the thanks, Supervisor Chan said, to all the callers, and especially all of those people who said not coming in in person, it can be a strange technology to maneuver, not knowing when theyre speaking, so i appreciate the folks hanging on for an hour or so. But i did have some questions, as i was thinking about this and hearing some of this public comment, can you describe, like, how does the Housing Authority Exercise Oversight over m. B. S. . I think weve heard in detail how mohcd does that when theyre doing the work of reporting back. We kind of got a flavor of how that works under mohcd loans, but looking backwards for a minute, what is the actual process in terms of the Housing Authority and m. B. S. Getting oversight over m. B. S. . Can you address that, please . Do we still have dr. [inaudible] on the Line Or Someone from Housing Authority . Clerk mr. Chair, [inaudible] has been dropping into and out of our meeting. Dr. [inaudible], just to let you know, Chair Preston is directing a question at you now. Chair Preston Welcome back. Im not sure if you were able to hear the question. It looks like there may have been some connectivity issues. Should i repeat . Yes, thank you. Chair preston okay. I was asking about oversight by the authority and the commission of m. B. S. And noting that mohcd spoke earlier about, in some detail, about the house and the oversight of repairs due to a mohcd loan, but i wanted to hear from you, looking forward upwards a little bit, just what is the process by which the m. B. S. Reports to the Housing Authority regarding conditions at Plaza East and the Housing Authorization exercises [inaudible]. So just in my time [inaudible] while determining what the next step is for m. B. S. , so [inaudible]. We did collaborate with mohcd at their term while saying hey, we, together want to be [inaudible] all of this documentation [inaudible] all of the monthly reports [inaudible] that there is a third party [inaudible] on the site as [inaudible] and some of the work that was done, as well, so we are walking with them to ensure that this work is [inaudible] together as a team for [inaudible] talking about next steps. Chair preston [inaudible]. [inaudible] so we are having a Reporting Mechanism as it relates to our meetings and asking for supporting documentation. Chair preston thank you. And do you know, has the Housing Support Commission held any hearings on Plaza East and the condition like what were doing here today at the board of supervisors . We have not. Prior to me, im not sure if that has occurred. In the 20 months that ive been here, we have not held a Board Meeting specifically to plaza because we have been working hard in hand on plaza and many other things. Chair preston and just as it relates to the application to h. U. D. So our understanding is the reason that h. U. D. Was discontinuing the process for that application before it was withdrawn was a pretty significant discrepancy regarding the cost of rehab and that were in the application i think that were off by 10 million or more. I just wanted to find out whether the discrepancy in the cost estimate between what h. U. D. Was saying how they viewed it versus what the Housing Authority and m. B. S. Had presented, if you could comment on that but also, like, what progress has been done like, it seems, like, a pretty big issue that, like, is your view that h. U. D. Got wrong on that or was there something wrong with the way that the costs were being estimated in the application . So first of all, thank you for that question, Supervisor Preston. I dont believe the costs were wrong. I think we all have to understand at government, were at local, and youre talking federal, and our relationship is definitely a dance, and we have certain local provisions around as an example, if i recall, we have a d. P. H. Ordinance around, and there are differences of opinions in how h. U. D. Sees some of those costs versus our local mandate requires our view, and so those were some of the differences around the view of how San Francisco looks at the environment, how it wants to build versus what h. U. D. Says is allowable under their perspective, and that is the dance that we do when we are in this relationship at a federal level of what do we all agree from a local perspective and what is the dance that were making about the costs that were presenting that are very important to us from a local perspective. If youre okay with this, id like to pass it over to audie, who can talk a little bit more about those potential costs and how we invested a little bit in the dirt and the solar panels. There were certainly things that were just not allowable through h. U. D. , even through all the conversations that we had. Chair preston yeah. Before we do that, because i am trying to better the relationship between the Housing Authority and h. U. D. And m. B. S. When the Housing Authority submits the applications to h. U. D. For what these expenses will be, are you relying exclusively on m. B. S. And their contractors for developing those numbers or is the Housing Authority exercising doing any kind of independent or separate investigation . We do rely on the engineers that had been hired to do the work that is fine lined. We do rely on engineers to do the work, so we did not hire the engineers. They were hired and contracted by m. B. S. , and theyre a reputable firm. We look at the numbers and what costs are there, and we had discussions with those costs. We had discussions on fine lines around those costs. We had discussions around them to understand the conversations with m. B. S. , but i also sat down and discussed what are some of the costs that we presented . We requested, as we pushed back on h. U. D. , because we believed those costs were viable, and we pushed back and asked whether consideration, and they did some more research by our request. So again, it really the whole process is whether were doing it or, again, m. B. S. , we are hiring engineers to do the work. The only thing is we were working with the city, and we were given a city engineer. Were relying on the help of experts. We dont hold that expertise. Im not an engineer. I dont necessarily have to be given detail by detail on some of those types of costs, and we have to go out and hire. Chair preston thank you. Mr. Najarj, if you wanted to address the Cost Issue . No, i think the director got it right. In our conversations with h. U. D. Well, first of all, i should say that the critical Needs Assessment consultants that we hired was the same p. N. A. Consultant that worked sunnydale and potrero. Theyre not california based, theyre midwest based. But given that they know San Francisco, they also know the tests with h. U. D. , and given that they had success with sunnydale and potrero, we wanted to hire the same company. So they came onsite. They kind of created the elements of the scope of work that would go on the [inaudible] test, and they met with contractors, both fine line and also n. B. I. , because n. B. I. Is working with us on all hayes south and all hayes north, so they have expertise as contractors on various scopes of work. H. U. D. Did not push back on our pricing estimates. I think they know that we have the highest consultant prices in the country. Quite frankly, as we were looking at various sites various items where we thought some items should be included and some should not be included, there were some that should have subsidies rather than a prolonged back and forth on scope of work. And what was attractive about the r. A. D. Program is it gets us into r. A. D. Regime that im certainly familiar with. Whats nice about the r. A. D. Program is there was this attractive rate of return and the same principles that we have at the city level, so we thought lets just shift over to this new r. A. D. Program. Chair preston thank you, and i think that miss healey had a comment. Thank you, supervisor. I just wanted to provide our experience with these h. U. D. Section 18 applications over the years. I said earlier that we got eight of the applications approved for the section 18 demolition, but it was eight months of back and forth with with h. U. D. They didnt recognize the need for seismic upgrades. Thats just a testament to how removed they are from the realities of our environment, so i just want to, you know, echo that their framework and our framework for what is a reasonable scope is not always the same, okay . Chair preston thank you for adding that context. So thank you, everyone, for your participation. I have some just final comments. I dont see others on the roster. Thank you for answering the various the various questions. I think that i do think this last point we were discussing is very significant not so much to get into the details of exactly what should have and should not be part of that cost estimate, which h. U. D. Didnt believe hit their threshold. I believe its 60 over 60 of the cost of rebuilding, then past the demolition is open. [please stand by] its something that we have to grapple with, you know, Housing Authority and m. B. S. Are moving forward. So if the Housing Authority, for example, is not doing an independent analysis of these but is relying on m. B. S. , m. B. S. Is the entity that built this. M. D. S. Is the entity that so far the city has selected to rebuild it. M. D. S. Is entertaining although not yet decided on the possibility of having Market Rate or mixed Income Development which adds in different revenue flows and so the nature of those relationships is such that we have to be really clear and solid around cost. I want to be clear. Im not suggesting that any of the costs are misstated. What im saying is that the nature of the roles here when you have the developer essentially putting forward the cost estimate, theres kept schism that ive heard from a lot of tenants about whether they can rely on that. So its a challenge to us, you know, both either how to show that the cost estimates going forward are solid, right. Or have third parties that are independent in some Way Review that or having the housing authorities play more of a direct role in what were seeing. I just want to put that out there. That will continue to be one of the big elephants in the room if Theres Talk of demolition. Like what does it really cost . Our history in this city and in this country is full of bad faith attempts to frame things and thats certainly the history going back in this community. Again, not necessarily whats happening here. But if thats not whats happening, and if these are solid figures, then communicating that and grappling with this almost inherent conflict where the Future Developer is the one making the cost estimate as to whether property needs to be demolished or not. So that is what stopped the section 18 application as weve heard. So i think just get as much transparency as possible on that is really crucial. And i want to make one other comment before we wrap up. I want to say, i am very concerned when i hear mixed Income Community as the proposal for a public housing site. Doesnt mean it cant be done, but i just, you know, its mixed income is a buzz word these days. You know, another way to look at that is this a plan for gentrification or a plan whether intended or not will have the impact of further displacing the black community and my personal view is redevelopment should occur at this site, that it should occur we all agree in the affordable housing units, but also, if were increasing the amount of housing on the site, that were adding more affordable housing which is what we desperately need in the city. What is what we absolutely need in terms of the housing which would help avoid further displacement which would potentially allow african american community members who have been displaced from somewhere in the city to move back to the city. You know, but thats my personal hope. My personal hope would be rehab or if youre going to do something where units are replaced that were building more units but were building more units that are affordable to the community members. But thats not my call. I mean, thats up to residented thats up Toll Community members and i appreciate the representation from all those decisions that have not yet been made and those are decisions for residents in the community to make. I want to reiterate my thanks for everyone participating to and also, with some of the comments that have been made around the Residents Council, i do want to just address those. In my view, this is not at all are people working with the Residence Council. This is the point ive made to and around their outreach, you know, absolutely. Were engaging with the Residence Council is essential as is doing broad based outreach and i think were all in principal on the same page around that and i think we had a good conversation me and my staff with the Residence Counsel. I think were on the same page in terms of wanting transparency. I know shes been at this for a long time and as one of the colleagues noted folks working in the Residence Counsel or other grass Roots Organization with the property are all doing this on a Volunteer Basis and its really tiring and hard work. So i appreciate all their work. But i will also say, ive walked through numerous times. Ive walked with and ive met and talked with a lot of residents engaged and their prospective matters as well finally, i think on the two main issues, weve talked about the communications with tenants and flad to hear about reporting back top o. C. D. I would very much like to and well be moving colleagues to move this item so we can get a report back on the status of repairs because i think these matters are urgent and i also when it comes to the longer Term Redevelopment Plan would like for the Housing Authority, m. D. S. , and any other relevant department to really map out the plan for engagement with residents and decision making around the long Term Rehab or redevelopment of the property in a way thats an actual plan on paper that we can discuss and hopefully we can develop that and be in communication with that before the next meeting. With that, colleagues, and thanking everyone for their time i would like to move that we continue this hearing to the g. A. O. Hearing thats scheduled for June 17th and would appreciate the engagement for them as ive described. Clerk on the motion offered by Chair Preston that this be moved to the red government audit Oversight Committee June 17th, [roll call] mr. Chair, there are three ayes. Chairman thank you, mr. Clerk. And thank you everyone for your participation. That ends our hearing and well see you back on June 17th. Mr. Clerk, can you call the next item. Clerk Agenda Item Number two is a resolution urging Governor Gavin Newsome and the california public Utility Commission to ex10 the utility shutoff. Members of the public who wish to provide public comment on this resolution please call the public Comment Number. Meetingide number and then Press Star followed by 3 to be added to the queue to speak for this item. Mr. Chair. Chairman thank you, mr. Clerk. This item is sponsored by Vice Chair chan and i will turn it over to her at this time. Thank you, Chair Preston for scheduling this hearing and thank you so much for cosponsoring this legislation. This resolution urges Governor Gavin Newsome and the california public Utility Commission and the Utility Debt Beginning in march 2020. Rate payers across california with gas and electric Utility Debt have increased the pandemic and has grown from 500 million to over 1 billion. The c. P. U. C. Approved a utility shut off moratorium and in february 2021 voted to extend the moratorium until june 2021. With this deadline, some clean power and small business customers owing close to 2 million in power bills, we need to take action now. May twentyonest, one of the reasons why we wanted to schedule this today is the deadline for the administrative law to issue a proposed decision on the moratorium shut off. For some, it literally means life and death. Those at home really rely on medical devices being charged and for many families it means whether or not they can get through the day taking care of their families. For their kids to get through distanced learning or cooking a meal for their family. To get by just so that they can recover from this pandemic. This is why were urging our governor to extend the utility shut off moratorium. I really want to take this Opportunity And Work with other statewide organizations to ensure californians can continue to live in their home. I also want to thank lasco executive officer ryan gobo and for their Research And Work on this. Last but not least, i want to thank sfp. U. C. For their residential and small business that has been impacted by this pandemic. Nonprofit Customer System Program in San Francisco through march 2022. So, with that, i want to first invite if its okay, Chair Preston, i can move forward to invite presenters to present their presentations. Chairman please do. So i first want to introduce is Mike Hem from sfpuc for us to kind of understand better what is happening in San Francisco. The situation is growing and its quite dyer at this moment and then after mike, im going to invite executive officer brian gobo from lasco to try to provide the recommendations on what we can do forward to support san franciscans. Thank you, Supervisor Chan and supervisors of the committee. Can you hear me okay . Thank you. Once again. My name is michael hyams. I do have a presentation for you, a few slides to share today. Im going to bring those up right now if Youll Bear with me. Can you see the slides . Clerk yes, we can. Great. Thank you. Supervisors, id like to start briefly by setting some context for this discussion. The Pie Chart on this slide shows San Francisco Power Supply by the amount of electricity supplied by different Energy Service providers. The City And County of San Francisco through its public Utilities Commission operates two Electricity Services. Clean Power Sf. Those two programs are identified here in green and blue. And the sfpuc programs now supply more than 70 of San Franciscos demand. The other two Categories Pg E and direct access suppliers now supply about 20 to 25 of San Franciscos electricity needs. In the next few slides, im going to be focused on cleanPower Sf customer data. First of all, all of the delinquency data were showing here. Customers that are more than 90 days delinquent. Weve used the 90 days or more metric for this presentation because it represents customers that have the most debt and are at most risk of disconnection when the Californias P. U. C. Moratorium ends. The Delinquency Rate represents the customers that are delinquent in each Zip Code is as high as 14 in some areas. With the highest delinquency levels as you can see here in the Southeast Sector of the city. In total there were about 16,800 residential customers that were 90 days or more delinquent on their cleanPower Sf electricity charges as of the end of march. This next map depicts the average past due balance for residential customers of cleanPower Sf for each Zip Code. This is all for cleanpowersf residents that are delinquent. These dollar amounts also only represent the amount that customers cleanpowersf. Since cleanpowersf must pay for distribution of power and for some natural gas service, in total, they may have an outstanding balance for their total Energy Service thats three times the amount shown here. This next map depicts the percentage of cleanpowersf commercial accounts that were more than 90 days delinquent, again by Zip Code. And you can see here as of the end of march, there were about 1,700 commercial customers that are 90 days or more delinquent on their cleanpowersf charges and theres as you might expect a fairly strong concentration in the downtown commercial areas as well as the southern areas of the city. This map depicts the average Amount Delinquent by Zip Code for commercial customers and, again, these dollar amounts only represent the amount that customers owe cleanpowersf. You can triple this two to three times the amount the total amount for Energy Services. Okay. So what has been happening to address utility Customers Ability to pay and disconnections during covid19 . Well, like its response to covid19 generally, the city has been leading the way in ensuring that residents and businesses continue to have access to essential Utility Service during the pandemic. This slide shows a few key milestones in the response time line. Excuse me. I advanced by accident. Way back last spring, the mayor issued the second supplement to her Covid19 Emergency proclamation on March 13th which included an order suspended sfpuc Utility Service shutoffs. A full month later on april 17th, the California P. U. C. Or c. P. U. C. Ordered utilities under its jurisdiction to suspend connection of customers for unpaid bills with that order being retroactive until march 4th. The ssfpuc took further action for nonpayment. And, skipping ahead in time here a little bit, just recently on april 27th, and Supervisor Chan referred to this a moment ago, the sfpuc further extended the temporary moratorium on through 2022. The extension recently approved is intended to ensure our agency has a sufficient amount of time to put in place the necessary programs to help our customers as our economy comes out of the pandemic. The sfpuc has been taking action to address our Customers Ability to pay and Debt Accumulation by working to reduce the Cost Burden of their Electricity Service in the meantime. On may 26th of last year, the sfpuc approved a Program Forh Etch hetchy power. A 30 discount on their power bills. In addition, on july 28th, 2020, the sfpuc approved a onetime Bill Credit for cleanpowersf users and rates for Energy Or Care and Family Electricity Rate assistance or fera, Lowincome Energy Discount programs by september 30th. The Fill Credit was applied during the month of october last year to more than 50,000 clean Power Sf customers and covered an average Electricity Bill for a c. A. R. E. Or f. E. R. A. Customer for one month. The Bill Credit provided some economic relieve for these customers and an opportunity to promote enrollment in the c. A. R. E. And f. E. R. A. Programs that could provide ongoing assistance. And, we did see a large increase in c. A. R. E. And f. E. R. A. Enrollment over the past year in San Francisco jumping by 30 prepandemic levels. On december 8th, the Cleanpowersf Participation in a program started by the cpuc the management program. This arrearage management program. The sfpuc has and continues to advocate and has recently opened covid19 debt proceeding. Again, Supervisor Chan referred to that in her opening remarks. Today, we have been participating through the California Community Choice Association Oracle Cca which is the statewide association of Community Choice and ago gaegs programs. We called for the Cpu C among other things in its up coming decision align the timing for the end of the Disconnection Moratorium with the status of the states economic reopening allowing customers a Transition Period to regain economic stability to fund additional Debt Relief through public Purpose Program charges to utilize area Media Income as an Eligibility Benchmark instead of the federal Poverty Level and finally to expand eligibility for the Arrearage Eligibility Program that i just mentioned and prioritize Payment And Flexibility programs. So that concludes my prepared remarks for you. Im happy to take any questions you may have. Supervisor chan thank you. I really appreciate it and i think that it is, for me, the most concerning is to see the both residents and commercial and small business who are actually owing, you know, Utility Debt and that it seems like it just continues to be growing. And i think for some of us, we can identify that its disproportionately hurting likely those who are communities of color, residents, and small businesses. So i really appreciate you helping us put this into perspective, but also to help us better understand it. Chair preston, if you have any questions or if we should continue on with the presentation . Chairman i dont have any questions at this time. We can go forward with the presentations. Supervisor chan thank you, michael. And i really appreciate your time and then next we have our lasco executive officer who really has done tremendous work on this is sfpuc and i really appreciate him coming forward here today at the board of supervisors and help us to kind of understand what are the things that i think us as the board can act on from an Agency Point of view and recommendation. Thank you. Thank you, Supervisor Chan. And, good afternoon, members of the committee. Brian goebel. Today, i am here to talk about some of the research and recommendations that lasco has developed really over the last few years with the goal of san franciscans struggling to pay some of their utility bills right now. And hopefully you can see my slides, Supervisor Chan. Great. And as you just heard from director hyams at cleanpowersf there are thousands of commercial and residential customers behind on their utility bills in San Francisco and some of these customers, Pg E customers could be facing power disconnections when the statewide moratorium on power Shutoffs End on june 30th. The Disconnection Crisis is not new, but it got significantly worse during covid. Its an issue that popped up on our radar in 2019 and ill go over that research briefly. While there are statewide efforts under way to provide some relief to who already distribute federal low Income Housing grants. Also some State Senate have asked. The questions that remains is what if these efforts fall short. The issue of disconnection is not new. There were a lot of folks already struggling to pay their utility bills before the pandemic began. Our former Research Associate Winston parson issued a report in 2019 that found that roughly 15,000 power shutoffs occur annually in San Francisco due to nonpayment of bills and this was for a period between 2016 and 2018. At the time we presented this map of the disconnections, and youll see that the highest rates of disconnections were in areas with the greatest historical burdens from from Power Generation in San Francisco namely bayview hunters point. That at the time, made a number of recommendations. As a followup to that report, we had another Lafco Research Associate asked to analyze the june 2020 addressing power disconnections among low Income Utility customers. That was a result by senator ben owasso. It requires the cpuc to reduce Gas And Service disconnections by 2024. For ms. Chans research, she developed recommendations and im not going to go into all of her research, but the report has been provided to you and these are the main points her conclusion was that the June Decision was insufficient to prevent Debt Accumulation during the Shutoff Moratorium and prevent keep making this. The reason she found it to be insufficient was that the plan or that the Payment Plan missed the mark in terms of eligibility. You have to be ruled in c. A. R. E. Or f. E. R. A. And these programs help a lot of programs providing 30 discount on bills, but the eligibility requirements do not take into account the cost of living in San Francisco. So thats going to miss a lot of folks who are in need of Utility Debt relief. Also, if a customer misses two payments, theyre kicked out of the program and not eligible for another year. So those were the two main reasons why this program she found it to be insufficient. So she developed a number of recommendations and, you know, these recommendations mainly concern but the main recommendation was the board of supervisors should pass the resolution urging the cpuc and the governor to extended power Shutoff Moratorium. For how long, i think thats an openended question. The deadline was extended to march 20, 22. I think the advocates who have been involved in the process have advocated it be as broad as possible. The other recommendation is that the board of supervisors pursue all local state and federal funding sources to eliminate all debt from delinquent accounts for low income residents. Again, going back to the question of what if the cpucs efforts fall short . Shouldnt San Francisco be prepared. The city consider other measures to forgive the debt. Supervisor chan, that concludes my presentation. Im happy to take any questions that you might have. Supervisor chan thank you. Bryan, i want to go to the can go a little bit deeper. I see specifically talk about low Income Assistant Programming and if you can quickly go through those eight items to just kind of help us understand what the four perhaps can identify ways to provide local support specifically to some of the populations that may be impacted. Happy to, chair chan. Hopefully you can see my slide. Supervisor chan yes. So all of these ms. Kaun gibson the Bill Assistance Programming that are currently available on that particular item, it has to do with the Income Eligibility for c. A. R. E. And f. E. R. A. Customers. And so that had to do with the low income assistance programming. She also had a section as well on section eight. One of the consequences the possibility that folks who are in affordable housing if their power is shut off. She also took into consideration vulnerable population 65 plus and those under 12 months. Part of that is around providing, you know, medically necessary equipment to folks who need that lifesaving equipment. She also talked about the disconnection rate. The advocates that are currently involved in the rule making process that dont want to use the Zip Code data as determining eligibility for relief because theres some inconsistencies and some further research needs to be done on that. Number 5 was the reconnection goal. That has mostly to do with the late fees and reconnection fees that are required after a customer has been disconnected. The same for Establishment And Reestablishment deposits as well. Item 7, she goes in to the medical Baseline Program a little more specifically and then also has a section in the report on multilanguage communications and some of the barriers that currently exist in accessing programs for utility systems. Supervisor chan great. Thank you. I think that with these and i really appreciate the thorough analysis going through all the data for this and allow us to really be able to with just to take the socalled fruits of her labor, you know, and be able to get to this rather quickly through this presentation and to help us really understand the picture is rather dyer for most vulnerable in San Francisco and i think it kind of references back to item one that we discussed for people living in public housing and in need of services and utilities definitely a key, i would say a right to just a quality of life and just to live in a healthy and safe Condition And Utility is definitely part of that. Colleagues, thank you. And, Chair Preston, i just want to thank you for this presentation. I want to just through these presentations to hammer the point of the situation. Its something that i know that were thinking about vaccination. Were thinking about keeping people housed and try to provide them Tenant Relief on rent. But, at the same time, i know both on a commercial and residential sites, another fear that i hear a lot is also utility. Because even though they have a roof over their head or being able to continue to open their business, if they cant pay Electricity Bills or water bills they cant live or operate their businesses. So i just want to bring that and highlight this need that we can overlook moving forward and i hope to have the support to urge our governor sxm Cpu Cbeside Tenant Relief and relief for our small business but to think about utility as a right and the importance for people to just be able to live in a safe condition and for small business to stay open. Thank you. Chairman thank you, Supervisor Chan. And i really want to i really want to thank you for all the work on this. And, as you said, this is such a integral part of Ones Home and Ones Ability to keep their home and i know that the terms, the work of turn has been what you referenced like they have in reviewing the materials, i read through their report where they really looked up the impacts of shutoffs, you know, not just on the sort of economic impact of the debt, but all of the ways in which utility shutoffs impact peoples lives and their health and some of them are immediately apparent and others are more indirect, but just in creating stress which triggers other problems in exacerbating Food Insecurity Hunger because of among other things, your refrigerator being shut off and, you know, and down the line to many other conditions and to the sort of the silent displacement people talk of when folks in power often are losing their ability to stay in their home. I did have one question. I was curious. So i understand the resolution pushes the governor into basically extend the shut off moratorium and Debt Relief and i know there are local programs that have been described. And i dont know if this is for City Attorney is there some kind of limit should we choose to use that power if the state didnt act to band disconnection given the very serious consequences, disconnection and as youve laid out and as the presenters have laid out, the equity implication of allowing disconnection to occur. Thats something the board could legislate on or for some reason. And, i see Deputy Attorney Ann Pierson is on and with apologies for not flagging that issue previously for the potential for you to look into. Maybe you can give some advice on the fly. Well, i think Thats Something we would have to look into to determine whether thats within the Boards Authority given the different relationships over this system of utilities. But id happy to get back to the committee with an enter to that question. And i know mr. Goebel has looked extensively into policy options and im sure wondering are there any barriers youre aware of. Thank you, mr. Chair. I have not heard of another municipality banning disconnection. I know that l. A. Had a Utility Debt Relief Program that the department of Water And Power in l. A. Ed. Implemented. But i dont have the answer to that question. I will have that when the City Attorneys office gets back to you. This is michael hyams. Director of cleanpowersf again. Unfortunately, i think i probably would need to defer to the assessment of the City Attorney on the Boards Authority here. Clearly, the city has authority as it relates to the utilities that it manages and provides and has taken action which is part of what i delivered in my presentation. And, i will add to just because clean Power Sf is unique. Cleanpowersf has is both under the jurisdiction of the city, but also the Cpu C and thats because Pg E continues to provide Power And Transmission services to cleanpowersf customers and also conduct billing and metering. So cleanpowersf is in some respects, many respects a partnership that is overseen by the California Puc. Customers have no authority to disconnect cleanpowersf customers. The only recourse that the city has more customers that dont pay their cleanpowersf charges is to return them to Pg E service. Only Pg E can disconnect customers under the authority that it has through the California Puc so even as far as the services, we cannot disconnect customers, but i can speak to the Boards Ability to mandate a stop to disconnections. Chairman thanks. Well, lets hope the governor listens to the resolution and were not in the position where we need to, but certainly appreciate your leadership, Supervisor Chan, on this as well as whatever further stuff you think is warranted once you see what the state does. I ran the tenant Rights Organization on a hot line that heard from thousands of people across the state every Year And Utility shutoffs and the trauma of especially for folks with seniors, folks with disabilities and children in their households is one of the just most stressful and harmful thing and, you know, as Supervisor Chan, weve worked together on this in the Rent Context and Supervisor Mandelman as well around, theres one discussion around debt. Right. And theres another discussion in the Rent Context or on just keeping your home. And, in this context, not cutting off utilities and in some ways those have to be separated. The trauma doesnt have to be involved. So i appreciate all the advocacy on this. Supervisor mandelman. Supervisor mandelman i will just echo the thanks and ask to be added as a cosponsor. Chairman thank you, Supervisor Mandelman. Im sorry i believe im a cosponsor. Its unanimous on cosponsor. Unless, Supervisor Chan, if you have anything further, lets turn to public comment. Clerk thank you, mr. Chair. For those watching our meeting through Sfgov Tv. Org. If you wish to speak on this item please call in by following the instructions displaying on your screen by dialling 415 6550001 into the meeting i. D. 1871614177. Press Pound Symbol twice and Press Star followed by 3 to be added to the queue to speak. Mr. Smith, can you connect us to our first caller if Theres Someone on the line. Supervisors, ive listened to both the agenda items and, again, missing is a Needs Assessment. Yall cannot make a Needs Assessment because you do not have all the empirical data to do it. On the first agenda, missing is is the environmental concern. And how the federal government looks at it as opposed to the City And County of San Francisco. Yall dont have the empirical data even though its there. The San Francisco public Utilities Commission took the challenge to provide clean Power But Yall dont know the difference between a dirty stack and a clean stack. An enterprised department, it is a very a million times very corrupt department. Related to holland naomi kelly. Tracy zhu. Cathy how. All these people and, of course, Barbara Hill and i can go on and here it is in a nutshell. Clerk speakers time has concluded. Mr. Smith, could you connect us to the next caller if Theres Someone on the line. That was our last public comment. Chairman thank you. With no further callers on the line. Public comment is now closed. Supervisor chan, any final comments on the item . Supervisor chan no. I just hope we could make the motion to move this resolution to full board with recommendation. Chairman so moved. Mr. Clerk, please call the roll. Clerk on the motion offered by Chair Preston that this be recommended to the board of supervisors, [roll call] mr. Chair, there are three ayes. Chairman thank you, mr. Clerk. Please call the next item. Agenda Item Number three is the reenactment of Emergency Ordinance 621 to temporary require certain retail locations that include Grocery Stores or pharmacies for retail locations that include Grocery Stores or pharmacies to pay employees an additional 5 an hour during the public Health Emergency related to covid19. Members who wish to provide public comment on this should call the public Comment Number 415 6550001 Meeting Id 187164177. After youve entered the meeting i. D. , dial the Pound Symbol twice and one final thing, mr. Chair, im in receipt of a letter in next tuesdays Board Meeting. Welcoming from president walltons office. Ms. Gee. Thank you supervisors for hearing this reenactment of emergency orders. Im Natalie Gee and i will be presenting on behalf of president walton. This reenactment will extended Termination Date to June 15th to align with the states plan to reopen the ordinance. Weve heard with 51 of residents over the age of 16 receiving full doses of the vaccine. Many people are pending on their second dose and it takes about two weeks for the second dose to be effective. Dr. Monica gandy and infectious Disease Doctor with ucsf has predict well probably reach herd immunity by June 15th. We also have to wear a mask indoors especially if there are many people from different households mingling which is a common occurrence in Grocery And Drug stores. All of the Bay Area counties surrounding San Francisco remain in the orange tier and, keep in mind, although we have San Francisco residents who are essential workers, we also have residents from other surrounding counties who commute from San Francisco to work and shop in these stores. Theres still risk of working in this store where youre exposed on a daily basis. We are still currently in the state of emergency. And, even though we passed a resolution to implement Hazard Pay on January 15th of this Year Drug Store companies didnt voluntarily implement Hazard Pay not until mayor breed. Many of these Grocery Stores also stopped their appreciation pay, Hazard Pay or Hero Pay in june of last year. Three months after the pandemic started. If stores implemented and kept their Hazard Pay voluntarily, we wouldnt have to have a law but thats not the case. Weve been in this pandemic for over a year and throughout this year, Grocery Workers and retail pharmacy workers have not stopped working. Again, i do want to emphasize that this reenactment will only extend covid19 related Hazard Pay for an additional four weeks to June 15th. And, hopefully by then, San Francisco and surrounded Bay Area counties will have achieved herd immunity and there will not be a spike of cases with the new variant or any other factor that can put us back into a more restrictive status. Thank you so much and happy to answer any questions. Chairman thank you, ms. Gee and thank you for your ordinary care on this and the previous Reference Resolution and initial Emergency Ordinance. Appreciate your Work And President Waltons Leadership on this. Seeing no colleagues on the roster. Lets go to public comment, mr. Clerk. Clerk thank you, mr. Chair. For those of you watching if you wish to speak on this item please call in now by following instructions displayed on your screen. 415 6550001 meeting i. D. 1871614177. Press the Pound Symbol twice and then Press Star followed by 3 to enter the queue to speak. I understand from mr. Smith that we have about a Half Dozen callers on the line. Mr. Smith, could you please connect us to our first caller. Hi. My name is cathy mckobe im with ufcw648. Were not quite there yet with the herd immunity like was just explained. Were still serving our community. Were still there, we ask you to please extend it. It is very much helping with our morale. Thank you very much. Clerk thank you. Could we have the next caller, please. Good afternoon my name is rachel michelin. We consist of nearly 50 national statewide and local organizations opposed to government mandated payment ordinances. We urge you to let this ordinance expire. First, i want to applaud San Francisco. Because of your hard work and commitment, you are a leader in the nation when it comes to delivering vaccines and, as mentioned, Governor Newsome announced he was confident the state would glide into June 15th as we remove all restrictions, but id like to point out the board in january, while San Francisco was in the purple, red, or orange tiers. Now San Francisco is in the yellow tier and were asking that you stick with the boards original intent. We cannot afford the unattended consequences of premium paid mandates. Many communities are without a retail Pharmacy Or Grocery store. Increased costs make it challenging for these outreaches to stay open. As you know, many commercial districts face the challenge of vacant store fronts which further depress struggling neighborhoods and worsen issues like homelessness and crime. Now is the time to focus on our community and ensure we have vibrant commercial corridors, pharmacies and Grocery Stores are vital to those strong neighborhoods. So, today, i respectfully request that this Emergency Policy is allowed to expire. Thank you. Clerk thank you for your comments. Could we get the next caller, please. Hello. My name is Claire Courtney and im a San Francisco resident and an organizer with ufcw local 5. We have seen the heroic acts of Grocery Store workers. These are those pleasant people, those outings you get to go see a Grocery Store worker from encouraging people to wear a mask, they go in every single day and do work far beyond what their Job Description has and this pandemic is still far from over and as was stated, we have many members that work in the city that do not live here. So while we may be talking about those that are vaccinated that live until San Francisco, that is not entirely the case for those commuted into the city to work. So we have to be aware of that. We have to think about the entire Bay Area and vaccination levels and how close we are to herd immunity. Again, these are essential workers feeding our communities and, unfortunately, as these companies reap absurd profits unlike they have seen before, its not trickling down to their workers and so why we elect representatives is to hold sometimes these companies accountable and make sure that they are doing the right thing and, in this case, they arent going to increase wages once this Hazard Pay is away and these workers need these increased wages. So thank you for considering this. Ufcw, we encourage you to extend Hazard Pay and continue to acknowledge the work that these essential workers do. Again, this pandemic is far from over. While we are starting to see the light at the end of the tunnel, its still very far off and we have to continue to fight for the people. Clerk thank you for your comments Claire Courtney. Could we get the next caller, please. Supervisors, this is tim james, california grocers association. All san franciscans should be celebrating the minimal risk status. And, accordingly, San Franciscos chosen to decrease restrictions for a significant part of the economy such as bars, restaurants, and entertainment venues. Consumers and workers across all of the businesses are now considered safe from covid with proper precautions. If outside threats, individuals from outside San Francisco are an issue, then actions should be considered to limit those openings. We do appreciate that city representatives and community leaders have celebrated a tremendous Vaccination Rate of over 70 . In california, every Grocery Workers has been eligible to receive the vaccination for well over two months at this point and especially in San Francisco with our participation with the San Francisco department of public health. Specific to the ordinance, your own economic impact report which was unavailable when this was first passed. States would reduce this point and higher consumer crisis. Pay for wage mandates that lead to higher Labor Cost for businesses. Its important to recognize this mandate as a 30 increase in employment cost. It will impact grocery prices and challenge the sustainability of store locations. It is important to consider the impact of continuing to raise employment costs by 30 and what they will have on the Grocery Accessibility for san franciscans at this critical moment of recovery. We believe its in the best interest as a city as a whole to not pursue an extension based on the negative policy and continue legal issues. Thank you very much. Clerk thank you, tim james, for your comments. Could we get the next caller, please. Hello, can you hear me . Clerk we can hear you. Please begin. Hello. Thank you. My name is john gomez. I am a 13 year grocery member. I would like to speak today in support of the extending the Hazard Pay ordinance, you know, as the previous speaker spoke, yes, things are looking better, were headed in the right direction, but the risk is still there. Yes, at the minimal risk tier, but it said that in itself, theres still risk. Grocery store workers although theyve had the opportunity to be vaccinated and it has been available. It hasnt moved as fast as we would like and, you know, lets not forget about what these Grocery Workers have done in the past year, you know. I think, you know, extending it to the 15th when the Tier System is to be lifted. You know, its not going to break the bank, its not going to kill these companies. The think the Grocery Association speaking on these store closures. I just want to make a point this is passed in 17 cities in northern california alone and we have not seen the sky fall. We have not seen any of those things happen. When the california Grocerys Association says these kind of things are happening, the only thing personally that i hear is this is affecting our pockets and our profits. Frankly, if youre seeing profits in the billions of dollars, you know, you can afford to pay an extra four weeks of Hazard Pay to these worker who is made those profits possible. So, again, thank you for the opportunity to speak. Again i ask that the board extends the Hazard Pay ordinance to the 15th. Thank you. Clerk thank you, john gomez. Can we get the next caller, please. Hi, yes. My name is brian. Im an organizer at cocw local 5. I want to speak in support of extending the Hero Pay for Grocery Workers. I want to first start off by thanking president walton and his staff especially ms. Gee and their tireless work in promoting and carrying this legislation. As my colleagues have said previously, we are only asking for this legislation to be extended for another three weeks until the exit the Steer System and while the Tier System has been affecting many businesses in the city, the retail have not been affected by this. Theyve been profiting off this pandemic. And not only to the virus, but to the violence that has come to people rejecting the violence as well as masks and increase in theft and the amount of physical threats they face is not what they signed up for when they decided to be california grocers. Were just asking the board to keep the Hazard Pay. Thank you for your time. Clerk thank you, brian. Mr. Smith, could you bring us the next caller, please. Good afternoon. I am a Grocery Worker and i would like to support the Hazard Pay extension. Ive been in the business for awhile and still a lot of people believe that we are in the yellow zone, but although in the yellow zone, we still have a lot of customers coming in not even vaccinated for the first time. I know for a fact that some of my coworkers only got their first shot this week. So we still have a long ways to go to stay safe. We tried to provide all the services to our customers, but we are not asking for an arm and a leg. We just want to be compensated for the things that we do to stay safe. Clerk thank you. Mr. Smith, please bring us the next caller, please. Good afternoon, supervisors and other members of the committee. My name is aaron stone. Im an owner of molly stones markets. There is no further need to extend this ordinance. There is no hazard. All of our employees have been vaccinated with the exception of a few that chose not to do it. The city is now as of the last few days in the yellow zone. It should be a day of celebration. Not a day of penalizing the very industry that has provided the community with food and a safe place to shop throughout the pandemic. We are the only Grocery Store in San Francisco over the arbitrary number of 500 employees before you get to thousands and thousands of employees that the national chains have. If compelled to extend this, apply it to the retail stores or to employers over 750 employers. Please consider this and thank you for your time. Clerk thank you, aaron stone. Mr. Smith, could you bring us the next caller, please. Hi, my name is tim mclaughlin. Im a Union Representative for local 648 here in San Francisco. We represent the drug and Grocery Workers here in San Francisco and would like to see the covid19 Hazard Pay of 5 an hour continue for the workers on the front lines. This will benefit the families during the pandemic. Thank you very much. Clerk thank you for your comments. Mr. Smith, bring us the next caller, please. Hi, i am with ufcw local 648. I ask that you continue the Hazard Pay. Not all of our members have been fully vaccinated yet and the state of emergency is still in effect. We also would like to keep this ordinance the way it is now with no changes. Thank you very much. Clerk thank you for your comments. Mr. Smith, could you bring us the next caller. Good afternoon, supervisors. My name is dan larson. President of local 648 ufcw in San Francisco. We would ask that you extend this ordinance for four weeks to our members who are greatly affected by this 5 and also just to put a little note out there, were getting a lot of calls from our Grocery And Drug divisions that the members are being cut in hours. So lets keep that in realistic terms that theyre not paying that 5 when theyre cutting hours on employees. We are still in the middle of this pandemic. There is a light at end of the tunnel, but were not even there yet. We need to extend this ordinance and we really would appreciate your support on extending it. Thank you very much. Clerk do we have any further callers on the line . That was our last public comment. Clerk thank you. Chairman thank you. With no callers on the line, public comment is now closed. I want to just comment, you know, i think some of the public comment i think raised the prospect of, you know, of store fronts shuttering and closed doors and vacancy and so forth. I did want to clarify that this ordinance specifically applies only to businesses with 500 or more employees. So i just, you know, in hearing some of the public comment, i think the public might have been afraid theyre a Corner Store or other places were going to be shuttering and this is targeted at entities with 500 or more employees and ive not heard really a case made that those businesses are in danger of shuttering or, you know, as has been pointed out by a number of the labor folks who called in. This has been for many of those businesses an exceptional year in terms of profits and so forth. But whether or not theyve been gaining a lot, i have not really heard anyone seriously contend that any business of 500 or more employees would be at any risk of having to close any locations or anything with a one Month Extension of this Hazard Pay. Just wanted to state that for the record and also thank president walton and ms. Gee for all the work on this. Seeing no comments from colleagues on the roster here. I did want to move to set this with recommendation as a Committee Report to our up coming Board Meeting. Clerk on the motion offered by Chair Preston to recommend this as a Committee Report to the may 11th Board Meeting, Vice Chair chan, member mandelman. [roll call] mr. Chair, there are three ayes. Chairman thank you, mr. Clerk. And do we have any further business . Clerk there is no further business. Chairman thank you, mr. Clerk. We are adjourned. This is a Commission Meeting of wednesd