Correct. So lets take the Community Organizations under now the budget of the sheriff. What we heard is that there is 8 million in Community Based organizations pretrial that are under the Sheriffs Department. Supervisor walton proposed to take it out of the Sheriffs Department until we can decide where the home should be for those cbos. Yes. Go ahead. What did you say . I am sorry. Supervisor yee and supervisor mandelman, what do you think about this proposal . I guess i am not understanding exactly what it would mean. There are current programming going on getting administered under the Sheriffs Department. Those dollars need to go out the door, i think. My concern about doing this. I can see doing this for the second year if there is a proposal or some other agency to run these programs and it is the sheriff. My concern in the first year i think we need these programs to grind to a halt right now. There wouldnt be the money for them. I have concerns about that. Maybe i am not understanding. Talk to the sheriff. What do you have to say about this proposal . To the timeframe i do not have a lot to say. This is near and dear to my heart, not just to me but the Sheriffs Office. We are a National Leader and innovatester in programming. In terms of what we are doing here and the construct of the taking the money away from us and going somewhere else i am confused. This is an area for the Sheriffs Office historically a leader in reform, the attitudes about Public Safety and Law Enforcement as relates to justice. This is an area of our attempt where we have been leaders and innovators. We have part of the forefront. We understand that there is a nationwide move for police reform, defunding. I just dont quite understand why we are defunding the things that are successful and work and hope a pathway to success and including a Sheriffs Office in the process to do positive outcomes as opposed to stigmatizing and leading to devissiveness. I have been here 24 years. This is around for 30 years. Progressively under every administration. We have done nothing but support and expand programs and implemented and moved for wart to support through the years. There is never a time when we have not moved forward on these things that make us an agent of change. We are setting an example. You want to talk about the types of things we do. I will say at the time we had slides to present in the short timeframe we had turnaround on the information. Supervisor walton, you asked about which cbos were affected. We shared the information on the screen. 10. 3 million. We have worked towards increasing funding for pretrial or increasing funding for the partnership that we have. This really leads to us talking about and i can go into the history. Due to the partnership and collaboration towards Public Safety. Nothing to do with Law Enforcement. It is putting people out on jail operations wide or Court Operations wide. This is about providing services to people and managing those Services Based on the needs. We are talking about multiple government innorvation. We are talking about Kamala Harris gave us an award in 2017 for our work. There is a list here that you will have. There is a listing of some of the things. That is a partial list of the things we have championed and moved forward with. It is the fact we instituted these things because we felt the need as Sheriffs Office involved in the process to take it out of the equation in regards to the management of the programs. I am at a loss to understand why. When we talk about the safe guards already in place to ensure the fidelity of programs, we are talking about measurables and compliance through staff dedicated that are Program Service coordinators that are boots on the ground the outcomes to make sure these are successful. We have connection between in custody and out of custody alternatives for individuals. More importantly we have the pretrial which i mentioned earlier, a huge chung what we are talking about here. ThaT Partnership was established before the 30, 40 year margin. We started that in 1976. It is an incredible amount of time and energy we use to make sure we have success and dedicated to supporting it and mandates. We are really mandated to be part of that process with the reform. We are complying with that injunction through the work on Public Safety assessments with pretrial and ability to provide them with a path to getting the information to make the right assessments. I am trying hard to keep this as short as possible. There is a large amount of information here to talk about in terms of success and the need for us to be part of the process and not separated out. It would challenge me to decide who else could possibly be in a position to make sure there are successes. The most important thing is the management of these programs, beyond management of money. We engage with those cbos. They are part of the committee we are talking about. The most important thing that happens with our partnerships is that we get buy in from the staff. We decreased the potential for decision for us versus them mentality. We decreased stigmas attached to us but to people involved that sometimes people dont really understand are nothing but stereotypes and labels. When you get to know people through the use of programs and participation and management of the programs and services we provide, it is humanizing the situations to bring us together to set reset button for people in our custody and care is a huge, huge piece of what we do. I think i have conveyed to you all the mandate as Public Safety office served by us being able to provide programs through our methodology. I really am scared. If we dont provide this support and are not part of that process we will be enforcements without opportunity for change. What we dont want to see the narrative about reforming Police Agencies and Law Enforcement agencies. We will start from the beginning, you know. The philosophy, the reason i ran for office as elected sheriff was to continue the philosophy and maintain all of these partnerships. I am getting emotional i apologize for coughing. We want to move forward with this and not take this backwards. I am open to answering any questions you have about our participation in the programs. If there is any question about our ability to do so, please feel free to ask now. Supervisor walton, maybe you can give clarity. Thank you so much, sheriff, we appreciate you coming on. I definitely agree the Sheriffs Department has been innovative leaders and these recommendations have come up before. This is not the first time we had this conversation as a city. I am 100 not proposing these programs be eliminated at all. We are saying we want to hear more from the community. Some organizations truly feel threatened and bullied by the Sheriffs Office at times. They have been told if they advocate too loudly, say things that are deemed out of pocket by the Sheriffs Department then are threatened to be defunded. Only a couple of weeks ago we saw employees by the department they have been on the news. They claimed intimidation even during this time of Law Enforcement reform. My question is really have things changed . Intimidation is alive and well. We should hear from community about resources and have this conversation. What if you believed me by your statement, they have been, if we do this your department is going backwards and that you will become the department we dont want to see. I dont know how to take that. Supervisor walton. I dont mean we want to go backwards. We will be moving backwards on what we moved forwards on. I dont want us to be in the position where it doesnt feel a sense of collaboration. You mentioned about the fact that there is litigation which i cant comment on. It is litigation regarding people who have alleged that they have been bullied at work. That is why it is important. I have a slide to talk about the move forward we are doing right now as we speak. Some of this is our efforts to make sure people have voices beyond just workplace environment. A seat at the table for formulating policy and moving forward. That is why we have the sheriffs lines for equity moving forward. The guidance given by the office of Racial Equity that is the kind of guidance this department needed to set foundation for it. We have started moving forward with these things. It is based on peoples interactions with one another. That is created of the things we want to reform. We want to be part of that. When you reference what you said about the people who are putting out the allegations of bullying, we are addressing that right now, not just through that civil process but looking into that internally. It reflects what we want to do moving forward to have dialogues and have the ability to have people bring things up outside of the workplace but at a larger table. That is what w we are working towards. We are looking to move forward. We believe, if i may reemphasize the point. By taking away the programs management from us, that we are going to lose part eve part of T Partnership and that is what we dont want to see move backwards. I hope that helps. I appreciate your comments around working together and partnering. Putting these resources in reserve while we have those collaberative conversations. We need to bring the community to the table, bring your department to the table for these conversations. If everything you say is right and correct and community is excited as you are about the work that is happening and happening with your department, then i dont think we have anything to be concerned about. Colleagues, anyone else. Do we have any supervisors, any questions supervisor mandelman, president yee, anything to ask about this proposal . I just think i am k9 of clear. I i am kind of clear. Right now there these budget amounts are pretty much what the programs that were listed that the sheriff put up there and you want to put that in reserves. Is it the total amount for the year . You want to put it on reserves or is it just part of the amount . These organizations are paid for some of the work right now . That is one thing i want to make sure that the contracts or the organizations will not get paid for what they are doing . The reserves gives us an opportunity for a discussion to see if we want to continue supporting these under the Sheriffs Department or another mechanism is that what you are saying . Yes, definitely, president yee, you are in the right direction. One thing i would say as we talk about justice reform. We obviously need to move Community Programs to the appropriate department. I do understand your point about where we are and the nature of the typical fiscal year and the programs up and running. I would be okay with putting the portion of the dollar amount in year two in reserve while we have these conversations with community. Whatever the amount would be to finish off the year make sure organizations stay whole while we have community conversations, put the next years amount in reserve, whatever that amount would be for 2122. Thank you. Sheriff, i see your hand up. Thank you, chair. Yes, i am very concerned about what was raised by president yee there about we are under contract with these organizations. They are providing the services as we speak. One of the bigger concerns was making sure people who partner with us are getting paid through this process. I am not as well versed on this process. If that is under reserve for the second components of the fiscal cycle and we have the ability to pay people for the good work right now. I understand that, but what does that mean . I understand that we have the ability to talk more about this. I think that given the most freshness of this issue to our agency and organization i would like to make sure we are clear on what things are. Again, as we have done since th inception of everything we do. Make sure we work together. You did mention one thing i was curious about. Community programs. Is it specific to all outside things we do when people has justice involved out of constructive custody and back in the community is that what we are talking about . Culmination of all of the above, but basically the work you are doing with the communitybased organizations and folks contracted to provide services with the Sheriffs Department or through the Sheriffs Department. I would love to partner with you to make sure we open up books to let you see what is going on. That is what we have to do when we manage these programs. There is absolutely transparent processes we can provide for you. Glow thank you. Thank you. Take the amount 2122 fiscal year and put on reserve. Make sure the organizations can finish this year and work on a plan for how things may work for next year. Thank you for that suggestion, supervisor roman. It is a limited timeframe at the conclusion of that discussion. If the conclusion is to sever the nonprofit or whatever, it has to be done several months before the beginning of the next year or otherwise you will be stuck. I want to point that out. Sy love that program. I visited it twice, the charter. How inmates we act to that. I just want to put a plug in for that in the jail itself. I just want to say that i am reluctant to make the change this year without hearing from all of these organizations where they think that their home should be. I think this year and i really appreciate supervisor walton for making the suggestion because i think to give you a year to plan. What i would suggest is that perhaps this is a working group that these organizations actually we can hear from them or the board. I dont know if i will be here when it happens. A practice where they can come together to see where they would want their home to be and if they need to go to the same home or some would like to be placed in another organization and so what i would suggest is that we could also, speakerrua speaker , legislatively we could have a working group and get together. I would say then we have a proposal on the table to keep the budget for this fiscal year, the nine months, for the second fiscal year 2122 to put that remaining money in reserve, is that correct, supervisor walton . Thats correct, chair fewer. We have that on the table. Lets get rid of that item first. Supervisor mandelman, jose you on this proposal . I am okay with that. President yee. Good. We have consensus. The controller please take note of the exit committees intention to keep the money in the original budget for this fiscal year to the end of this fiscal year. To for the money for fiscal year 2122 will be in reserve. A practice to determine where the organizations home will be will be conducted during this fiscal year in time for next fiscal year. Thank you very much. Next to the point of over time. I see that the sheriffs over time budget is 8 million. We have a proposal to put 100 of those funds into the reserve account. I probably suspect the sheriff or mr. Holland has a comment to accompany this proposal. I would like to give them an opportunity to speak on it if they should so choose. Thank you. I was not aware we were going to be talking until recently about this. The proposal to cut the overtime by 100 or put in reserve for 100 will be very challenging for us. Regardless of the fact we are a Public Safety agency, we are also unique, not just in the fact i am elected but the fact we have mandated things through state agencies in our mission and what we do. Not just through collective bargaining staffing level but through the needs of minimum standard in correctional facilities. We have a staffing level that needs to be maintained. We have a court staffing level that needs maintained to complete our mission there. Our level of mandated b by charr and entities. That leads to overtime challenges. There is a slide here regarding the overtime expenditures. I would like to highlight the fact that and put the elephant out there. Elephant in the room in terms of the recent article that highlights the fact that a number of our employees were on the list for most highest paid civil servants. That is a reflection of systems where we have not been staffed to full needs in light of these mandated positions and staffing level. We had a csa audit last year which highlighted the need of 238 f. T. E. Short of the actual workload. We met some challenges with making sure we have adjustment for over time and number of people who made an increase in overtime for their salaries because they were filling positions that are needed and mandated. Two, because we have so much over time throughout the system we have people involuntarily drafted, people that are held over from work hours and made to work additional hours because of that need to maintain minimum staffing level. Some of those people voluntarily take the place of those individuals involuntarily drafted to make sure this happens. That reflects that article. The last thing i want to say about this without too much de detail is the fact that we have the closure coming up which we look to as the ability to move some of the staffing into areas to backfill the areas of need where we have unfilled f. T. E. This will reduce over time expenditures significantly in terms of operational ability to do so. You will not see as much over time. That is part of our reduction process to advocate for the further reduction of over time to 100 . I dont quite understand and welcome to understand through your explanations why we are looking at that type every deduction. Colleagues, any comments or questions . I will say personally that i think 100 . Having been on this for three years i know the problems with over time. A lot of the overtime is involuntary. They must because they must keep the staffing. They require the deputies to work overtime even if they do not want to work. We have been working hard to have adequate coverage. The sheriffs are at city hall, at public buildings. To get their level up so that the sheriffs dont have to involuntarily work overtime shifts. The problem is that it is not like a regular job. They are also within the building, too. When you are working double shifts we heard many complaints from deputy sheriffs that it would mean that they are doing long shifts inside the jails. Having said that, supervisor walton there may be a compromise for the first year and second year similar to the Police Department. If it is the intention to cut 100 i am going to propose to you that you be amenable to something we did with the Police Department is cut the overtime 50 or put it in reserve. Supervisor walton, what do you think . Thank you, chair fewer. My goal is to avoid a mess like we saw this past year. Also to think about any of our workers and the danger of being over worked, particularly to your point during the pandemic. Our county jail system i would rather did not read an article that shows and demonstrates a plan about over time but get something in place in the Sheriffs Department aboutover time plan to make conditions better for workers especially during this crisis. I am definitely okay with reducing a certain percentage and hearing the plan and putting some in reserve because i think that it is something that we need to do. Is there a proposal perhaps my colleagues might want to proposal to supervisor walton or do you have a proposal yourself . Supervisor mandelman or supervisor yee . I dont know that it is reasonable to expect the Sheriffs Office not to run over time in this fiscal year. I dont think they are able to do it and do the things they have to do. I think it i it is reasonable wh the closing of cj4 and reducing over time to have a second years worth of over time held in reserve and provide that to continue the conversation. I support that. I wouldnt support a consult or putting this coming years over time on reserve. Are you proposing year two 100 in reserve . 2020 remote meeting of the San Francisco board of appeals. President ann lazarus will be the presiding officer tonight. She is joined by Vice President darryl honda, commissioner rick swig, commissioner santacana and also is our board attorney. And at controls is the legal assistant Katie Sullivan and i am julie rosenberg, the boards executive director. Our Legal Process clerk is also present. 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