Things out in public. And so i emailed commissioner taylor to add it on for action. Commissioner taylor responds, i cant do that. Its on for status. I get an email that thats whats going to happen, but theres no reason its not on for action. This should be adopted tonight. This august 5 . This should have been passed last august. This is disgraceful, embarrassing, disgusting conduct, and i Vice President taylor all right. Dont be so hard. Commissioner hamasaki now, dont interrupt me commissioner dejesus yeah, its showing. Youre being rude right now. First of all, parents are here. Youre being rude, first of all, and second of all, i dont normally do this, but there are a whole bunch of lies happening tonight, so you want to have this conversation . Let me finish. Were going to have this conversation now. First of all, were not going to do is compare every situation to the slaughter of black people. Not everything is a knee to the neck, and were not going to do that. Second of all, i was not on any emails or former president hirsch or kathrin mcguire because i have never set any agendas before i was acting president of this commission, and when i did become acting president , one of the first thing i did was reach out about the deaf and hard of hearing d. G. O. I asked you, i asked commissioner dejesus. I wanted to put it on the january 20 agenda. I wanted to know about the d. G. O. Commissioner dejesus informed me that there were still issues pending. I am familiar with the rules, just as everyone else should be. When its in concurrence, we cannot vote on it. Furthermore, commissioner dejesus informed me we should have it on for status. This whole idea of mayoral appointees and supervisorial appointees is a lie. There are issues that we have aligned on, this commission, and commissions before that. And the idea of meeting but the idea that you have been fighting for meeting for sometime, i get it that you have put that out to the public, but the truth is the first time you ever made a request for a meeting ever to anyone was to the examiner on may 2. You never asked me for a meeting, you never asked the Commission Staff for a meeting. If you had, you would have learned what we had been doing. I read it in the newspaper when i woke up, whenever that saturday was, and you decided to email the chief, i think, on may 1. That is the first time you requested a meeting, and it was not to me or to the Commission Staff. And beyond that, there were plenty, sir, of board appointees who were asking not to have meetings, if you want to put that out there because they wanted to make sure let me finish [inaudible] Vice President taylor commissioner hamasaki, i respect you. We can get along. Youre being rude, and i think we should act with the decorum that this commission calls for and requires. Thank you. Thats all i have to say. Commissioner hamasaki thank you, and commissioner taylor, you know, i let it go at our first meeting, but if you want to go there, we had a 14minute call on the sunday Vice President taylor what date was that, sir . Commissioner hamasaki ive got a phone record. Vice president taylor i called you, and you called me back on sunday. Commissioner hamasaki can you please not interrupt me . It is fine for you to lie but dont lie about me, okay . You and i had a long discussion where i requested a meeting. That is why petra and i had to go to the Mayors Office because you said to me repeatedly the Mayors Office is not allowing us to meet, the mayors ive asked the mayor, ive asked the mayor, ive asked the mayor. She wont let us meet. Why do you think i spent six hours getting together all of the research, writing a long letter Vice President taylor sir, i think you guys like having your name in the press. Commissioner hamasaki please dont interrupt me. Okay. We need to commissioner hamasaki yeah, this is a disserve. Commissioner elias listen, you have said your piece, she has said her piece. It is what the facts show. Let it go. We need to move on and get going on this because theres a lot more we still have on the agenda. We have people that have been on the line for hours. Commissioner hamasaki let me finish without be interrupted. The first deaf and hard of hearing i attended back in, i think it was august of 2018, we had a group of around 20 people very eager, putting in a lot of hard hours and work to get this done. By the last meeting, there was four people because the community was so disheartened by our actions, okay . And that is the source of the frustration that just keeps going on, and i am going to request that this is added for next week for action because there is nothing else to discuss. Id like to give director mcguire a chance to respond because i just this is this is and you know what . This did not have to go down that other route that was just went down, and i apologize for my part in that. I handled that very briefly when it first came up, but i dont know why it came up again. Regardless, at this point, you know, i weve got to serve the community. Weve got to come together. We need to fix this. If i said some harsh words tonight, its about a year of frustration of not being able to get this on the agenda, and then, when i got it on the agenda, its put on for status. And to hear complaints that its 12 pages instead of 10, its not real objections at this point. So ill let anybody else talk now, but we deserve we deserve we need to do better. Okay. Can i speak briefly just on this issue . I want to focus on getting this moved as expeditiously as possible, and thats my only request, as well. I think thats part of the solution for all of this. I will say that, you know, at d. P. A. We are very frustrated with this, as well. We just want it on as soon as possible. I would rerequest that it go on again in july because we have a conflict in august that i cant move around, so id ask that it go on sometime in july, as well, and i think that speaks to some of the concerns that commissioner hamasaki has raised and some of the frustration that i think were hearing tonight on how this on how this d. G. O. In particular was handled and the community was handled. You know, i dont know that were going to resolve that now, but i think that one of the answers, and the most the best outcome for the decision is to schedule this sooner rather than later, and it seems clear, even from the admissions from the department itself, that this is ready to be resolved and there is not much work left to be done. To the extent of work that was to be done, i think the gap of nine months would have shown the light on any big hurdles that would prevent us from scheduling this for a decision sooner rather than later. I just think that that would help, and august just doesnt work for d. P. A. Vice president taylor thats fine. I wanted to put it on may 20. I am new to this d. G. O. I am learning as to what the situation is. I have been told lots of things, and so im fine with putting it on in july. Director mcguire . Commissioner dejesus you know, im sorry, ive been waiting. Vice president taylor oh, im sorry. Commissioner dejesus . Commissioner dejesus well, i wanted it on may 20, but you said the department had there was another one, and i told you they could be resolved because they were minor, and someone told you that they were not minor, but they were minor. I want to point out some of the things that the d. O. J. Says. It says you should crossreference the policies under 911, you should check with local Community Leaders with how to capital deck or uncapital deck. If youre going to add a. S. L. , you should define sign english. Theyre really minor theyre minor things. If you use r. I. T. , use r. I. T. If you give an example, this is exhaustive is it exhaustive or is it just a list of examples . Theyre really minor. Theres only two or three that you might have to give some thought to, but these were all reorganized by the d. O. J. What are the supervisors duties for learning communicative assistance . These are yes, no, yes, no, add it, subtract it, define it. If somebody sat down and went through this for an hour, this would be done. Thats what im trying to tell you, theyre minor changes that were made. Theyre nothing ground breaking, and the d. P. A. Went through it with the stakeholders, and they agreed with it, so its just the department lagging and not going through all the 25 changes and signing off on it. So i agree with the frustration that im hearing tonight. This thing is ready to go. We dont need months and months and months to answer questions that were put forth by the d. O. J. Commissioner hamasaki let me say one thing real quick. One, i shouldnt have responded to the other comments. I do want to apologize for that. Thats a and cindy and petra and you were right to interrupt. Ive just been ive been living with this d. G. O. For a while, and i really am frustrated, but to the degree that we went into other matters, and i expressed some things there, i do want to apologize. I dont want to lose focus on the d. G. O. Thats what i care about, and im sorry for any distraction, any the side fighting created in my role in that. Vice president taylor thank you. I appreciate that. I apologize, as well. Frustrations are clearly high, and this is an you know, an incredible, and not in a good way time. I learned about this d. G. O. I was not involved in the process, and all im trying to do is figure out the quickest way to get this on calendar and for a vote, and all i can do the only way i can do that is talk to the people who are involved who have told me different things. And so im sure, through no fault of your own director mcguire, can you, once again commissioner elias ive had my little icon up. Vice president taylor im sorry. Back to the department. Commissioner elias no, i have two issues. I understand commissioner hamasakis frustration of more than a year, and i think if any other commissioner were in his shoes, they would also be frustrated and upset, but i think what hes trying to highlight is the miscommunication from the department to the commission because i dont think oftentimes we are told exactly whats going on or theyre competing sort of things that are happening, and so we dont necessarily get all the information. What i will say about this, and i do agree with commissioner dejesus, this has been going on for more than a year, so concurrence should have happened already. The fact that theyre getting months is just unacceptable. We were just chastised by the d. O. J. About how we take things off calendar and how long things take, and we keep getting hit by the public who thinks that we arent doing things fast enough, and this is just an example of why it is everything is taking us so long. And so while i respectfully understand why you keep deferring or why youre deferring to miss mcguire in terms of when she can get it back on, i think that time is passed. Theyve had enough time to deal with this, and they should have had it done by now, so waiting till august is just not good enough. Vice president taylor okay. Executive director mcguire. Thank you, commissioners. I am i believe i was the first one interrupted, so i do have some additional thoughts on the comments that have come up. First and foremost, there are eight members of the command staff. Only two of those members of the command staff have seen any real well, theyve all seen it now, but before we started concurrence, there were only two members who had seen any version of it. So there are training considerations and negotiation considerations and a number of other considerations that have to go into the concurrence process, and thats why the concurrence process exists. I also understand that the you know, from our perspective, the draft d. G. O. Was not to us until january, and so that is that the eight months, nine months, those different perspectives are certainly understandable, but but, you know, we got the feedback back from d. O. J. In late october. The working group took a look at it again and gave us their feedback by january, so i totally understand that the january to now time frame, considering everything else, is still a long time, but just a reminder that concurrence involves eight people nine people. The and i also wanted to skip ahead in the presentation to the Vice President taylor before you skip ahead, i do want to get the scheduling thing down. So what is the earliest in july that you can get us that we can have this on for a vote . Were not meeting july 29. Commissioner hamasaki were the commission. We can decide that. We dont have to ask the department, commissioner taylor. Commissioner dejesus lets just hear the answer. Vice president taylor thank you. Yeah,iti commissioners, il just reiterate, without having those eight peoples calendars in front of me. Im fine with saying the 22nd, im fine with saying whatever director henderson commissioner elias can i make a motion that we set it for the 22nd, because again, they can figure out their calendars. Vice president taylor im going to set it in july, so what im going to direct you to do is to meet with those stakeholders. That gives you a month almost two months to do it. Were at june 3. July 22 gives you commissioner hamasaki whats july 22 . Its the third thursday Vice President taylor its the last thursday of the month. [inaudible] commissioner elias hes saying july 15, because thats the third wednesday clerk we wont be meeting july 22, it would have to be the 15. Vice president taylor oh, are we not meeting july 22 . Clerk no. Vice president taylor so the 15. Commissioner hamasaki fine with me. Vice president taylor so that gives you 1. 5 months. Clerk thank you. Okay. I dont need to go back to my presentation, thank you. Vice president taylor okay. Next line item. Commissioner dejesus no, i have a question. Vice president taylor commissioner dejesus. Commissioner dejesus director mcguire, im sorry youre at the end of this, but if the chief was interested in getting it done, and if command staff was interesting in getting it done, it would have been done. I realize youre sitting on the sidelines, and i appreciate all the hard work thats gone into it and the fact that everybody has helped, but we have to have a dedicated point person who is a subject Matter Expert on this and pushes it through and gets everybody who they need to get to the table because i look at these changes and theyre so theyre so simplistic. A lot of them are so simplistic. They dont need a lot of changes. Im telling you, if you get the people in the room, even if you have to go through them one by one, this can be done. I wanted to say that, and i wanted to jech oecho, if the c wanted it done, it would get done, and if the assistant chief wanted it done, it would get done. Clerk and t im talking to you from city hall. Im deployed, so if you hear some noise in the background, im sorry. I want to talk to you about the d. G. O. That samrin and the working groups did. To hear the comments takes me back a little bit because if you heard, some of those issues that were worked on talking about this d. G. O. , if you know me know ive been in the Police Department for 37. 5 years. Still think its the best job in the world. I live in San Francisco, born and raised here, and i still live here. The reason this g. O. Is important not only to the department but a little closer to me because my daughter is deaf, and her contact that she had with Law Enforcement really kind of changed and put perspective in this whole thing. Now why am i that person . Because i worked on the language on it. I worked on Language Access. I have my hands in all this. I have my hands on the d. G. O. S, on the elder abuse, but i agree. I would like to see this thing go through, and i give little props no, big props to my daughter who said dad, i want to make sure you make the community safe, but also make it safe for the officers. Thank you. Commissioner dejesus thank you. Commissioner elias thank you so much for sharing, for calling in because its really important. Its important to know that all of these d. G. O. S and policies and procedures, they matter. Theres a face behind all of them, and it trickles down to them. And thats why i think emotions and frustrations are high. Vice president taylor commissioner hamasaki. Commissioner hamasaki thank you. I think your daughter was one of the ones that i met in the working group. Ill admit, i didnt know much about the deaf and hard of Hearing Community before, and when you sit down with them and understand the daily struggles that they go through just to live and just to exist in this world, and how they came together and worked on this i dont want my earlier comments and frustration to take away from the work that everybody did because everybody put so much time and heart into this, and ive carried that with me since then, and i think, you know, i was so excited to see this on the agenda and work on this with them and see their inspired faces. Its a very Small Community in the city right now. They, like a lot of other communities, have been pushed out, and im glad were doing this, and i really am grateful to everybody for bringing this back around, and lets Work Together and get this done. We appreciate your comment. Vice president taylor next line item. Clerk sorry. We have Public Comment for line item 4. Vice president taylor oh, thats right. I apologize. Public comment . Operator you have two questions remaining. Good morning. Or good evening, callers. Once again, one of your commissioners, John Hamasaki is using this commission to presumably inflate his ego. To think that he would use the murder of a black man by the hand of the police as a rhetorical tool while folks are still openly mourning in the streets is just disgusting. It is clear from the way commissioner hamasaki speaks to commissioner taylor and to other women as opposed to the way he spoke in public to commissioner hirsch and other men is a blatantly sexist, and i think he should follow his heart, as he said earlier, and resign from the commission. There is very important work to are done to prevent more Police Violence and state sponsored murder, and commissioner hamasaki is a clear road block to progress. The board of supervisors needs to find someone else to fill that position without commissioner hamasakis preening and grand standing. Operator good evening. You have two questions remaining. Clerk good evening. You have two minutes remaining. Hi. This is jessica lehman. I appreciate that youre looking at issues facing deaf and hard of hearing communities.