List and this location has not updated their Contact Information. That said in my experience, weve never had an issue communicating with the association. They are quite engaged and responsive to the notices we mail out. So the names that are on there the names i recognize for quite some time. If they choose to at any time they can update their mailing Contact Information. I do notice the Contact Information listed on their website is different than what they have given to us. But that is their choice. Often Neighborhood Associations have specific chairs or subgroups that deal with land use. They want the thousands of notices that we send out every year, not everybody else. With that, im available for questions. Again given that this is on a puc its my understanding under the rules that are in place this would not require a permit. Quick question. Do you have verizon or at t . I wish i had verizon during the Power Outages because it sounds like it was working better. [laughter] thank you. We are now moving onto Public Comment. How many people are here for Public Comment . If you could line up against the wall so we can keep the process moving i would appreciate it. Everyone has two minutes each. First speaker, please come up. First speaker. Thank you. Im liz buchanan. I attest and affirm the following statements are true, accurate and within my personal knowledge. In october 22, 2019 email to thomas, Health OfficerSan Francisco department of Public Health. One great solution is to set a maximum effective radiated power limit from the face of the antenna shroud at 40mili watts by adding the article to article 25. For Wireless Telecommunications facility that is installed in the public rightsofway or attached to any building or antennas installed at heights lower than 100 feet off the ground, the applicant must install only antennas radios and other supporting equipment that have no chance of exceeding the total of 40 milliwatts of effective radiated power from all the equipment operating at or connected to the specific wtf Wireless Telecommunications facility. 40 watts provides four main benefits. It provides coverage for Telecommunication Service for about onehalf mile from the source antenna. Two, does not effectively prohibit Telecommunication Service three, adds the speed limit seat belts and air bags regulations that San Franciscos need to protect the quiet enjoyment of San Francisco streets which is part of the aesthetics. Four it is compliant with fcc guidelines. I have expressed no matter of mere concern but solely matters of substance, fact and law. Thats it. Thank you. Thank you. Next speaker. Her speaker card is right there on the ledge. Next speaker please. Hello, again. Rachael gold. I want to address a couple of what seem to me like alternative facts from the previous speaker. The hollow area, green street and broderick street, there is already plenty of cell phone coverage five bars. We dont need the additional to add more coverage. In a disaster like a fire and earthquake, the small cells go down more easily. The bigger ones stay and last longer. So i disagree with his representation of those facts. If i sent you the Scientific American article a month after the article hes talking about he would have a comprehensive rebuttal of everything in that article by Professor John from Berkeley School of medicine. So i would be happy to review the article as well. I just feel sorry for the people who are up here appealing it. Its like a lottery. Put these things outside their bedroom and maybe yours, for example. And youve got grandchildren staying over or children and maybe an aging mother who needs extra support. The whole process is unfair. Why these people are scrambling spending on lawyers, trying to barricade their houses because something got put outside their bedroom window with no recourse. I could no more go outside your house, for example, and put a very, very strong light or a very noisy 24 7 and that would get taken down immediately. You would not tolerate that. Why are we tolerating something that is in our view, ten times more powerful and destructive to the human body . Thank you. Thank you. Next speaker, please. Hello, again. Page hudson. Like most things that we know in our current life, if you follow the money trail youll get lots of answers. So it was equally painful as my colleague rachael mentioned to hear the gentleman from verizon speaking about the need for this emergency situations. You heard from neighbors who said that they dont need or want this. So why is technology being rammed down our throats to the detriment of our families . Its because comcast has monopolized the market for residential and at t and other carriers are none too happy. It is a marketing ploy to be packaged in a way that says we need this for Emergency Services and better communication, which is sum apply not the case. You still have simply not the case. You still have access to your cell phone. We are not against technology. We are not against cell phones. They have great value for all of us. Thats not the point. The point is we are being conned into believing we need this small cell towers next to our homes. Distance is your friend when it comes to radiation exposure. And to have these powerful cell towers right next to our childrens bedrooms, its bordering on child engagement. We all can agree that childrens skulls are much thinner and the fcc regulations are based on a 250pound adult man. This is not something we want near our childrens bedrooms. Lastly i know you are all very aware of the precautionary principle but im a little perplexed as to why this is not being used here. As a reminder the precautionary principle that the induction of a new product or process effects are disputed should be resisted. Theres not a single dollar being spent proving that 5g is safe. So why are we allowing it to be rolled out . Thank you. Please give a speaker card to ms. Sullivan. Thanks. Hi. Thanks for having me here. I moved to the city when i was 22 years old. I lived here for the next 17 years. Currently i live in paluma. Im one of the founders of my street my choice where we did ban putting these towers in residential areas successfully so i beg to differ with mr. Verizon. What i want to put on the record here today is there was a California Law ab57 that banned these towers by any firefighters in the state. You cant put it near a fire station. So that means theyre perfectly safe. So the firefighters won but we didnt. These companies cant get Liability Insurance because they dont want to insure them because theyre not comfortable being able to do that for the liability. So why isnt that being mentioned by mr. Verizon . So this is what i want to draw your attention to today. I attest and affirm the following statements are true, accurate and within my personal knowledge. This is from an october 24, 2019 email to thomas argon the Health Officer at the department of health. At a Sonoma Planning Commission meeting a consultant from ctc exposure from antenna. Theres statements in here, i dont want to take too much time. But you have the video. Please refer to the comments in minute 3, 10 seconds, 24 and the comments in minute 3, 22. The bottom line is this. Ill summarize it for you. It basically says that its the proximity thaterts. I that matters. Its about the power and its about the proximity and how that raises the power. This is not my first rodeo. Here we are with corporations and citizens. Havent we been down this road before . What do we have to do . We have to wait for more brain cancer and go oops, we are sorry. Thank you maam your time is up. Thank you. I attest and affirm that the following statements are true, accurate and within my personal knowledge. You are giving a slick sales job by the Wireless Industry. I hope you can figure out the real answer here. These people are telling you things that are not true. Im here to tell you we have put into the Public Record you have here the actual key. It was not just tried. It was also interveners that were fully recognized. And those people live in neighborhoods montgomery county, maryland, and that ruling applies to the entire United States. That is up held by the judges by the dc court of appeals. The Wireless Industry is being painted into a corner. They are desperate. They are going to tell you whatever story they want to tell you. Read the case. All you need to do it its your Public Record. What im saying to you is that you are also being misinformed about all these things about guess what, if you are compliant with a guideline that implies safety. It does not. You cant get binders like this. You cant get people getting injured after two weeks of exposure in sacramento where they have to move the kids out of the front room into a back room and shield the house and spend thousands of dollars to protect themselves. And get verizon in a room last thursday with five representatives to figure out how they are going to fix the problem quietly. This is a real problem. People are really getting sick across the United States right now. And all you have to do is look at the actual information. Its all in your Public Record. You have it now. And you have every reason to strike down support all these appeals tonight waiting for the nepa environmental assessment. It is higher than ceqa. Come on folks. Take the ring, do something for your people. You got your out. You dont have to wait for the department of health. You got what you need from the dc circuit of appeals yet you rubber stamp them, rubber stamp them rubber stamp them. What are you doing . Thank you. Next speaker, please. Hello. Im jess warner. Im just want to introduce myself to you because i didnt get to last time and say a few things. I want to say that based on the knowledge that i have that i can share with you the data i have and the tremendous amount of information that many of us have, mr. Alberton misleading you tremendously and theres a ton of data i encourage you to read to be fully informed about the truth. So again, im here right now because ive been working on this issue partly because im also electrically sensitive. I discovered this when i was in grad school at brown for Environmental Science and i have been aware that i get headaches and cant sleep around wireless. Thats why i dont live in San Francisco. I came from an hour away. I probably would be living somewhere in the city if i could but i physically cant. I can tell you anyone thats been through Health Concerns as you were speaking about earlier that what is more important than our health . Nothing. Cant really do anything without your health. So i want to ask how can health and safety and the precautionary principle not come first . So i agree with pausing until the review is done. I agree with listening to local control which is what a lot of people in the north bay have been talking about. I hope you can catch up and get educated about. I know its an issue you dont know a lot about because the industry has been so successful at strategically silencing and suppressing all the data and information that you dont want to know and that you dont need to know for them to get cash in their pockets. It isnt about emergency connectedness. This wont help in an emergency. 5g is about cash. When the public says we dont want it here i urge you and ask you to listen to what the public says rather than forcing radiation on the public thats saying no. Thank you. Thank you. Please provide a speaker card. Thank you. Is there any other Public Comment . Okay. So well move onto rebuttal. You have three minutes. Thank you. Given proper notice is incumbent upon the permit holder and thats the responsibility of verizon. Verizon did not meet that obligation of notice. And like i said earlier strict compliance. They are required in the statute shall give notice to the association. They did not do it properly. The statute actually says any Neighborhood Association identified by the Planning Department for any neighborhood within 300 feet of the proposed personal Wireless Service facility it does not say the Planning Department has to keep an updated list. Mr. Albright attempted to put the ownness on the Planning Department. It says the Planning Department has to identify the associations, and it does. It keeps a general list of the associations in San Francisco. But it is not incumbent upon them to keep an updated list. They didnt meet the requirement. There was no diligence by them. They could have easily gone to the hollow website its a public website as mr. Sanchez just did. It clearly says who the president is. Its lori brook and it has a p. O. Box on that website. For that reason alone this permit needs to be denied. And the other reason, as i went into detail earlier is 190 19 is not effective, it is not retroactive, it is not appropriate here. Thank you. Well now hear from ms. Patel. Im sorry. Ms. Court you heard from my lawyer before. The reason i felt i had to bring a lawyer was the last time a came to the public hearing i found it very difficult to speak. I found it very intimidating to talk to all of you. Im an mba. Ive had a professional career for a long time but its extremely scary and hard to come forward. But i feel very passionately about a wireless antenna outside my home that is 20 feet away from the bedroom of my children. I have a oneyearold, a fouryearold and a sevenyearold. The i live at 2740 green street. It is literally the closest thing possible to my childrens bedroom window. And when i came to appeal, i appealed because i the street has no aboveground utilities at all. They are going to introduce for the first time an aboveground utility on a street that is historic. These buildings are all classified. For me to remodel is painful to get applications to remodel my home. Every single home on that street is completely classified as one of Historic Site historic neighborhood so why introduce an aboveground utility is beyond me. The second is that i am fearful of the Health Concerns. But i was told i cant bring those up because the federal laws overrule, which seems crazy, because this is the only place where i can come and talk to you to try to stop this. But when you voted on the last appeal, on broderick street, broderick street is half a block away from my house. Theres a 4g antenna going up with sprint half a block away and one right in front of my house. Also 4g which i have been told up until today that that was 5g. So i dont know what is true now. And on top of it, we were told in the last hearings that the direction does matter and its going to run up and down green street and not be directly to your house but broderick is perpendicular to my street so which antenna is going to go which way . Is ours going to go this way and arent we in the center of all that because its four houses away. Doesnt make sense to me. If you are going to sit here and say its moot because the laws changed before we were able to cancel this then i would ask you to consider returning our 300 we had to pay to come here to talk to you. And also my legal fees because i feel like the process is so scary that i cant come and talk to you directly but i need to hire a lawyer because its so complicated and for you to ask Health Questions of a legal representative of verizon i think is not correct. Ask a professional. Thank you thank you. We will now hear from ms. Patel. You have three minutes. Hi. I just wanted to say a few things that the verizon representative said obviously we are not in favor of getting rid of cellular but the reason we have these stories of having saved someones life or having a phone help us is because it already works. We dont need 5g. We have coverage. Its fine. We dont need this new technology. But even if we do decide to go that route we need the testing done on the technology. And what i would say is that youre not assigntist im not a scientist, nobody in this room can listen to this and determine what is the correct answer as far as if this is causing a health problem. But we can determine that more studies need to be done and that the constituents who would benefit from this technology are choosing to forego it, because out of precaution. So if the people that would be benefiting from it say no, thank you then why is it being forced upon them . And your job in the city is to reflect your constituents, is to speak for them, to hear their voice and to represent them. As far as you can legally. And i know that in many ways, your hands are tied but i also hope that you can find a way to do so and to be able to get authority back to san franciscans for our own codes and ordinances similar to how San Francisco adopted gay marriage and medical marijuana early on. I do not believe that putting in the ordinance would be a feelgood option. Obviously it might be overruled later on. But it would send a message. And it would apply pressure for more studies to be done. And it would lead the way as we have done before. And i feel that its really important. I hope that you can take time to take all of