Ill try to. Joe duffy, dbi. The permit under appeal is a commencement of work not started under a previously permit, soft story retrofit under 34b engineering criteria including plywood walls, simpson walls. This is a renewal permit. So back in 2016 went through a process took them about a week to get the permit. And it was maybe 1,000 valued for the soft story retrofit. They got the permit and didnt start the work. The permit got approved until the contractor was chosen until the building got sold. And then the permit could have been issued in which case the plot wasnt but the permit gets issued, 360 days to complete the work. I dont know what happened in between that time. But then when they came back in 2019 as you heard the option is a renewal permit which is appealable which is why we have an appeal. The extensions on the permits, this permit would have extended for a number of years. We just dont they have to write a letter to say why they start the work. So that didnt happen. That would have even they would have probably had an opportunity to do any appeals had they taken advantage of the Building Permit extensions. So here we are with a renewal permit under appeal. And as i said earlier the work if for the soft story and retrofit which is mandatory in San Francisco if you are on the soft story list. So they are i believe on the list. And as you heard the gentleman speak, there was a deadline of september 15 the department issued quite a number of notices of violation to buildings that hadnt applied and those mainly are buildings that havent filed a permit so they are in violation and probably will be moving through the enforcement process until we get them under compliance. The work i printed the plans because i had the same problems i couldnt read them. So i printed them today and had to look at them. The soft Story Program only allows work on the ground floor. So its all ground floor work. The only issue they would have as a tenant is an apartment on a ground floor. There is no work in the apartments that i can say. Obviously when this construction in your building it is going to be disruptive. You might have your gas off, might be a little bit of dust and the contractor will have to comply with any ordinances for led, asbestos, all of that in our Building Code and you hear me talk about that a lot. That will be something theyll have to do. It applies to common areas and theyll need signage and stuff like that. And i would recommend an open line of communication between whoever is doing the work or a representative of the Property Owner and the tenants. If they have an issue they can contact them and rather than just calling our department unless all fails and they need to call us, we are able to go out and investigate complaints if necessary. I believe the ordinance does have a lot of language in there for tenants rights with the rent board and weve talked about that before as well. So thats about all i have. I checked the complaints on the property. There are no open complaints. There has been a number of complaints filed and i suppose 2018 was the last. But right away it looked like they got addressed. There were Housing Inspection Services for some garbage issues, maintenance issues. There was some issue with a stairway. They got a permit to fix it. So all complaints have been addressed in a timely manner, i believe. And there are no currently open complaints on the property. Im available for questions. Mr. Duffy or Senior Inspector duffy. Its okay. The permit for the soft story predates the ownership of this particular owner. Okay. So we are talking as if they forgot and didnt update the permit. But when they purchased the building the previous owners evidently did this. So what is your thoughts about canceling out the permit and having them apply for a new one . Theres no need to do that. The permit runs with the property. It doesnt run with the owner. The Building Permit runs with the property. Permits are a little different, they run with the contractor but the Building Permit runs with the property. So the new owner takes over the permit. The change of ownership is going to show up just as we talked about earlier on the assessors records but theres no need to redo the permit again it qualifies for our renewal process. Its only a 2016 permit. And we dont see why we would have to update anything. Theres a set of plans. Im just trying to make you work a little more. Its okay. Its a good question. Because the permits are confusing sometimes. Thank you for bringing the plans. The way they were described and the sheets that were shown does that entail the main part of the work and location that it is all on the ground floor . Thats what the plans show. They are showing the apartments for reference but its not showing any work on those drawings. Theres no other work on this permit, only soft story work, which needs to get done to get off the list. If the tenants were to observe any of the work not on the scope, they could file a notice or complaint that would lead to an nlv with the building department, correct . The soft story work, the ordinance is only for the ground floor so any other work would be a separate permit. If they start that, let us know. Well investigate. In terms of led and asbestos, what is the process that would happen in terms of discovering there is led or asbestos and dealing with that . Just given the age of the building, it might be likely. What would you tell the tenants who are concerned that dust could be there and even though its not in their unit its present on the property. Our Housing Inspection Department has a program, they can look at that. I doubt its going to be an issue. It generally isnt. The soft story work will take place on the ground floor. What happens is the Housing Inspector thats over the led Abatement Program chris gradey, chris will go out and give them a lesson in what they should be doing and they can do that before they Start Construction but its in the Building Code. If theres any work disrupting led they have to be notified and there has to be notices in common areas. We talk about this a lot in this forum. Obviously the tenants will have to follow all the guidelines. Last question just to emphasize what you said if this permit is not approved, they would be in violation because this is a mandatory soft story retrofit they need to complete the work. Right. So if it doesnt get completed they will be in violation and have to eventually get a permit to complete the work. Well, yeah, either way the building is going to be in the soft story, be in violation if this work isnt done. Thank you. Rough ballpark, how long do you think this project would take to do . Maybe 1,000 on the value, some concrete. It may take up to six months. You could get this work potentially done within six months i would imagine. Even quicker if its a contractor with enough workers and they get it done. The max period these are going really well. You see them all over the city. Theyre happening as we speak. A lot of people are working on them. Its going really well, to be honest with you. At the end of the day and i dont want to be i realize these tenants have been through a lot previously but they are going to be living in a safer building, and thats what its all about. We are making the buildings safer in the event of an earthquake. So the sooner its done the better. Theres good stuff anchor bolts clips. If we get the big one and they are in a building that has been seismically upgraded its going to be a better situation for them as well. So listening to you you seem it seems theres really no reason for anybody to be asked to take a temporary leave from their unit, because its all going to be done on the first floor . Theres no work in the apartments shown on this permit okay. And so it wouldnt it would be a great comfort to the tenants and not cause any inconvenience to the permit holder if we put a condition on this that nobody nobody will be asked to take any absence whatsoever from their apartment . Yeah thats fine to me. I dont know how to enforce it but i think its a rent board issue. I think weve talked about this before. There is going to be an inconvenience because living in a building under construction is not going to be easy for them but i think the end result would be better. Theres a lot of mistrust here and the Building Owner and contractor are going to have to do really well because of obviously a lot of eyes watching it. And they are going to have to be very good at their public relations. Thanks. Thank you. Is there any Public Comment on this item . Good evening. Welcome. Hi. Im neil danielles. Although im not named at this appeal i live in this building and ive lived there for four years. And as previously said, we recently defeated the eviction. And im very concerned that if this is approved without the restrictions, that some of us or all of us will be displaced during this process, either temporarily or permanently. And so i stand here with my neighbors in support of them that if this is approved, it comes with restrictions as described. Thank you. Thank you. Can you give the speaker card to ms. Sullivan . Is there any other Public Comment . Okay. So im just here, again, as a point of order and to apologize for any interruption on this item. Public comment is to this item. It is affecting this item the fact that there was interruption on the facts. So im here to say that there is a party in the room that is asked the police to come in and speak to me. I do not feel safe that this party is threatening me. And i will be asking the sheriffs to give me an escort if they can out of the meeting so that i can have no interaction with the party that requested the police to come in the first place. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Okay. So is there any other Public Comment . We will move onto rebuttal. You have three minutes. Thank you. So just to speak to a few issues that were brought up and the respondent statements. Regarding the Property Management with c d reality the reason why these tenants are confused about who to contact is because only within the past few months did they get a letter saying these people were the Property Management company but didnt provide the name of who they could contact. The letter had the name of the president of the company and the i think chief accountant or bookkeeper of the company. But it didnt state an actual property manager. The reason the letter was confusing and the reason why the tenants didnt know what to do with that information is it made no mention of who the tenants were to pay their rent to. The tenants kept paying their rent to the Previous Company because they didnt have any other information until then out of nowhere the Property Management sent a letter months later saying actually your rent is now late please pay us your rent. Again not stating who at the company is this property manager they are supposed to be speaking to. Im happy to hear that c d realty is a point of contact. Hence the concern about a point of contact with the contractors directly or somebody else more involved. Next point i want to speak to is regarding what is actually in the opposition we actually didnt receive it at our office until friday afternoon after it was due. Our clients i think had some copy served directly at the building despite respondent knowing our clients are represented. But there was actually some confusion about when that came in. Lastly, i just want to make sure add a couple more concerns that my clients have, specifically in response to president swigs earlier question but also in general. One, for the client, there are three clients here that have rights of storage in the building and one client that has rights to the garage itself. If possible those clients would like to have no disruption to their use if its absolutely impossible, have minimal disruption possible and evidence the disruption will be minimal in that regard. Also regarding the utility shut offs because this board correctly observed and thecraticallier andobserved especially given Health Issues of some of these tenants. Lastly, we would ask that if the respondent is open to it, that given the nature of this work and the potential sixmonth timeline that dbi mentioned, we have an inperson meeting to actually outline the terms of this work, go through the conditions that are imposed here tonight and understand how this work is going to affect their lives. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. One question, counselor. As a disclosure, how many were protected class tenants out of the tenant list . When you say protected class, what do you mean . Protected class just in a general . All of them. Either to disability age. Have protected on their he estoppals. Life tenancy. Did they claim they were a protected class tenant . They all claimed additional time and money for the ellis. They claimed protection on that basis due to disability senior status or both. Thank you. We will now hear from the permit holder mr. Phillips. I would be happy to provide our Property Managements Contact Information to the tenants and to their representative. I dont really have another anything else to rebut. So were you aware of the permits for the soft story retrofit when you purchased the property . Yes why didnt you act on them at that time . I guess because we were just in the middle of the ellis and, yeah, i dont know. Not sure. How many projects do you have going on in the city right now currently . Two okay. Thank you. Im sorry. Another llc has one. But, yeah. The project doesnt have any, theres noel i say going on. Thank you. Okay. A question about the storeage. The parking in the garage. If you have begun or intend to begin processes to sever those temporarily i guess, vacate the storage or how you are planning to deal with that. I work with our contractor to figure out what we need to do as far as the tenants car. And we would pay for a parking that is as close as possible if the car needs to be relocated. And im not aware of any storage because we only have access to to the rear garage, theres nothing in there. Its just a garage, theres no Storage Facilities on the ground floor . Ive never been in the other garage that has a car. So i dont know what else is in there. Thank you. Thank you. Too late, joe. Mr. Sanchez. Anything further . Okay. Mr. Duffy . Anything further . There are two storage shown on the plans on the ground floor. So theyll have to, you know whatever the rent board the rent control board, i was just looking up the dbis question on that. A lot of the Services Loss of services, its all in the ordinance. Thank you. So commissioners, this matter is submitted. Commissioners. Whats before us is the permit regarding the required and mandated soft story retrofit of a multiunit building. Its concerning to me that outside nevers invest investors come in buy properties with longterm san franciscans in them and relocate them. But whats before this body is the mandated permit thats required for the soft story retrofit which i believe was issued correctly. Im pretty sure that well have some conditions here. It depends on my other commissioners, and you as tenants have rights to watch this and report this to the departments that are there. What are your thoughts on conditions . Well, and again im not trying to villanies the permit holder. It just seems theres been a lot of mistrust and a lot of things that seem like theyre wrong. And if it looks like a duck and quachs like a duck its generally a duck. So the conditions, the permit holder said he didnt mind the restriction in hours. A specific point of Contact Email and phone number for a person for them to contact in regards to this during Business Hours, notification on specific services to be ideal and whatever else. I think the shut off notice seems pretty reasonable in terms of notice if yule tillties are going to be utilities are going to be shut off. Maybe 24 hours may be more reasonable but im open to 48. Sure. We are going to have a joint motion. Mr. Santacana chime in if he has anything else. Did you do the Construction Authority . The 24hour notice i think is the minimum thats already required. I think 48 hour good and because theres been mistrust and that we can build up trust going forward. Which i doubt but so grant the peel on the condition i want to ask ann. Ill make a comment. Okay. Im going to let the commissioner make the motion. But id like to i think its fair that we establish an even Playing Field here. I want to encourage the project sponsor to understand that we are not picking on him because its an even Playing Field. However, our experience here is that many appellants who are vulnerable and renters are vulnerable and people with special conditions are vulnerable. It is fair to say that they come in here scared to death because their lives are potentially impacted. I think theres 12,000 Homeless People in the streets in San Francisco, many of which have been victims of running out of time, running out of money. So theres a lot of fear in the city. So its not that to pick on the developer or project sponsor. It really is to establish a level Playing Field for you and also to establish for the appellants that they can have more comfort where they are going to trust the project sponsor, thats up to them. But at least they will have more comfort and they have access to some ears up here. So i wanted to make that very clear. Because i dont want the project sponsor to walk out of here saying that was rude or that it was an even Playing Field. Its an even Playing Field but we have to be sympathetic to all parties and we have to lo