Also said if we could expand the reservoir. Im just thinking are there any ways to hold water other than building dams, or reservoirs. I mean, are there more progressive ways are there anybody anywhere on the face of the earth doing something different. Maybe beavers have they changed their plans yet . To make a system work particularly our system given our water rights. Ours is a storage bay system. The storage has to occur in a storage reservoir or in a groundlevel basin. You said ours is a storage based system. That means there is what are the other systems besides storage based . Those are the folks that divert from the river based on their water rights. Either you have to have storage or you have to have a steady supply of water. One of the other is necessary to make a water system work. That is why groundwater is starting to factor into these like the daly city project. Like the Union Sanitary district, how they use the groundwater and we can extend our supply. Like a reservoir but just , basically. That is the same issue with storm water. When we look at storm Water Supplies. You really dont have much use for it, because it is coming in a big shot all at once. If you can store it in metered out in different ways that is where we get the big benefit from it. A storage is key. Couldnt you also do some sophisticated system that is a closed loop concept theoretically . So the water comes in and we might not be there yet technologically but as a city there is a big storm. Rather than having to store it, we then can reuse it within our you are leading right into my next slide. Before you get onto the next one. We had a couple of storage projects in here where it says yield of storage. Storage produces yield, depending on how it is operated. I just dont want to lose sight of that. You dont build storage just to have storage you build it because there is a water supply benefit that is attached to that. I assume you havent put it in here because we dont know how its operated . Exactly. Perhaps a better summary of that would be not that the yield is not a storage it is undetermined. Twenty correct. The next slide im going to talk about a some of the local projects including east purified water, a San Francisco satellite recycled water facility. Innovations Program Including slides. The Innovations Program is really to try to look at, you know, a Grant Program or something to get frankly wild ideas. Different things that can be done. The ordinance is what people have done, in some cases where they have actually said to new developers, you have to find the water and bring it with you. That would be another thing there. The first one, you said purified water. I think this is a conceptual diagram that shows the southeast water control program is the black dot with a blue dash line going to a Storage Facility for water that is coming from the Wastewater Treatment plant. This would be purified water, where we would be treating wastewater in San Francisco and converting it directly to Drinking Water and bringing it into the Drinking Water system. It would lead to a tank not to a local reservoir or an underground basin. This is what we call direct portable reuse or purified water. Theres always going to be some residual, that you have to dispose of some way. You capture as much water as possible this way. I had not included this on the list originally when we started talking about this. But the commission said, why not . Regulations are being developed now they should be in place in about 20232024. Where you can actually do this. San diego is working their way in this direction, and other places. We want to be out there, certainly looking at it and saying, you know, can this work for us . Then the east side satellite recycle facility. We have a number of dual plum buildings there for which the ordinance has swept up a lot of the demand. A small facility located someplace to help meet the dual plumbing demands within part of San Francisco. The challenge on this is finding a location. I hear about empty lots that have stormwater charges. Finding an empty lot to build a Treatment Plant on is a little harder. A little bit about our organization. Have some questions about that, too. Ive heard a lot about distributed systems, if you will. Its combine some of the stuff youre talking it might youre talking about. It might serve an eco district, or that type of concept, or eventually in a single large Building Development potentially. Have you done any projections are planning on what the possibility or opportunity for that might be. The ordinance requires those with Development Size be included for thousand square feet need to develop their own plans. We are working with a number of developers on most plans for again largely on the east side. These are the leading candidates for the salesforce tower. They werent obligated to come they just felt like it was the right thing to do. I think that could be interesting and concept even to hold up what salesforce has done and say look, you too can be a leading star and sustainability by reusing your wastewater, or whatever it is. I know Technology Still has a ways to go, but it just feels like throwing everything in the mix at this. Would be worth considering. I dont know . We have a Grant Program to help people do that. We upgraded. We have been working on that to make sure. Were doing a Research Project right now on a machine in our building, it is a water Research Project to test it directly monitoring. What we have is a small treatment unit that produces portable water off that. I still keep nagging staff, i want a picture on my desk. I have not gotten it yet. I will be getting that. Im not drinking that. You drink it. [laughter] i will have seconds. A little bit on the organizational structure. This is a water effort but it does affect a lot of the division. This will be managed through our Water Resources division. We are adding some stuff there, project level staff, to work directly on these projects. It does connect to a lot of parts of the organizations trade you cannot just do a water project. A lot of these have complex institutional rates that need to be put together. And then the Capital Project timelines. Most of these are in the early planning stage. Were going to be moving forward on them. They will take quite some time in. Just to wrap it up, we are pursuing various projects. We are adding temporary positions to support it. The ultimate goal is still in doubt because we are not sure about the delta Water Quality plan. Most of the projects include one or more partners. They are in the early stage. We will be reporting to you on a regular basis coming back on our progress on these. Have a question. Thank you very much for your presentation. I mean, we talk so much about water supply, but we seem to be still set on our 265 modern demand number. I guess my question is, when are we going to revisit that. Since it seems like we have been pretty significantly under that amount now for a. Of time every sense voluntary or otherwise. I would also welcome his thoughts on that as well. You know, i am wondering when an opportunity to have a deeper conversation in addition to the water supply conversation would be around demand projections . We will be talking about demand projections. One thing we have, and that is a contractual obligation to deliver 184 million gallons per day, if the demand is there. That is supply supply assurance. I am sure talking with them about that would be fine. Its obligation we have and if they have, you know, demands that come to that level, San Francisco has an operation obligation to meet those demands currently. It is a complex conversation. Since the demand has not been that, does it mean we revisit the demand . I know there is some discomfort around that. And there is some assurances that are built in. We have talked about it. I am wondering as we talk about supply, it is hard to make some decisions. Maybe that is the number were going to stick with forever for the foreseeable future. I know we have contractual obligations. If indeed our demand is less that is applications for our demand around supply. Have to look at longterm. You cant just look at today. Were going to supply water for very long long time. I think you have to put that in the equation as well. I would like to weigh in on this also. In my short time here, it is pretty clear to me with the incredible, you know, system we have right now and the amount of both demand, contractual obligations and other issues that people come up with that this department is looked very deeply into the future. Just to target one particular number, seems to me, you know, a little bit short sighted. I saw, you know, a letter that was written today that says some of the projections and the ideas are irresponsible. I take offense to that as a commissioner. I believe, you know, singling out one particular number, you know, and set up an entire conference about that is not the perspective that this commission should have. There are a lot of issues, a lot of things that are moving forward. I dont want to get sidetracked by, you know, one particular number, or one particular issue. I like the idea that this department is looking into the future longer than short term. Thank you. Consistent with that, one thing that would help, the next to last slide you had up there was a chart of basically the Construction Forecast for the various projects. It would be really useful to have in some either a graphic, table or something, a projection both needs and sources. Some of those are easier to forecast than others. The big elephant in the room is the Water Quality control plan. Whether that happens, what forum and when, that is a big function that messes everything up. It would still be helpful to have, the various obligations that we see into the future, the various options we have for meeting those obligations and see how they line up. Where we have a big unknown like Water Quality control plan we can put something in, you know, as one scenario. Put it someplace else in another scenario. What that exercise does is it rationalizes the difference between demands and obligation. The contractual obligations. The contractual obligations are very longterm. The demand is current. Sooner or later they meet, probably, or might not. You can try to lay that out. I think that is the way you rationalize those discussions that sometimes sounded very much at odds. If you put it on a timescale, i think that will make more sense. I know that you have a Public Comment. Would you like to weigh in on this first . Certainly. I will be pleased to answer your questions. On the issue have demands, and i think i mentioned we are in the midst of updated regional demand process for all 26 agencies. That process started in july. We will complete it this fiscal year. My expectation is i will come to you beginning february is probably a good time when i will start to have, you know, the projected demands. What is that picture look like . When we start to do this, getting to your question of how we go about these projections. You have to look at, you know, what is the adopted land use and practice within jurisdictions. What is supposed to be your projected growth, how are you dealing with growth, population and employment. That is on your demand side. And then looking what will be due on the demand reduction side . I will tell you, the agencies, as steve mentioned, are highly interested in reducing their use as much as possible. There is multiple reasons for that. First, you know, there are the current, new legislative requirements making Water Conservation in california way of life. My Staff Members are going to the state board talking to them about how we are implementing that on a regional basis. She gave a whole day primer to them about the efforts we are taking to really challenge our agencies to really reduce their use and figure out what that means moving forward. I would be pleased to give you an update on that as that report gets closer to being done. That information is going to roll into this demand study. All of the actions of what further conservation can be do done. We have a big focus on outdoor use certainly. Also implement things like recycled water. Our agencies are very proud of the fact that they implement recycled water. Many parts of the service area. Particularly in the south bay. That said. They also do not want to pay for projects that they dont need. They also are concerned about the bottom line to the fact that they can reduce investments that you make. They pay two thirds of every dollar. They are very interested i dont think there is a competition here for this idea of trying to invest in something they dont need. Its trying to find the right investment. It balances what is also their need for making sure they have respect for the environment, but respect for the fact that they i would be pleased to give your presentation on that sometime around february and see if that is helpful to you. And then continue to work with sd. These will go out to 2045. That is our that said. There is a very good chance for my agencies, that number will not reach that by 2045. I dont know the answer right now. Our last process did. That doesnt mean that you dont have a potential obligation. That is an important thing to remember because that is a critical component of our relationship with you, contractual or otherwise. They will need to hold you to that. But we can have that conversation after we have the numbers and figure out what that means. That would be my preference. That is very helpful. That is exactly where i was heading. I would hope, and i think this is what commissioner moran was getting out as well as we are looking at these supply opportunities both from a cost, as well as need to be able to meet our demand. At the same time we are having the conversation of, you know, but actually are those demands. We do know that they are known at the state level. We are getting these development requests, and a lot of them. All of a sudden it is like whoa, there is another demand we were not anticipating, or projecting, or what have you. By desire, also, is to have an understanding. Number sometimes can be useful, to be able to say we are less than that number because it is xyz. Or it looks like way into the future we are going to be way over. I would hope, in San Francisco, we can be doing that demand projection work while we talk about supplies needed to meet demand. One of the things i think im partially why i was pushing, and i appreciate the presentation on this trade i have been in front of you pushing this issue of getting the supplies in front of you in starting this conversation more aggressively. This timeline is very long there is no decision youre going to make one way or another in the next two years that you wont have those numbers by the time you have to make some decisions. That is just the nature of these water supply projects and how long it takes for them to get developed. The numbers are very helpful. It is important and a helpful place to start. I go through the process with each of the agencies, where you going to meet this demand . You have San Francisco supply but you also have your own supply. Are you going to used recycled water . Lets balance that picture out so it actually makes sense. I think that helps everybody in the decisionmaking. I think you have Public Comment on this item. Before we go there i want to make sure the commissioners dont have anything else to say on this at the moment . If there is nothing else from the commissions i will open it to Public Comment and welcome yours. Thank you. I just wanted to remark on a couple of things. I appreciate the depth and breath of steves presentation. He started it with the level of Service Goals and i think that was very, very helpful i think that is where all of this flows from. The priority is keeping on in front, as you go through that, will be very important. And on the project list, and the project a single pages. The description of the project we are going to be dealing with these projects for a very long time. It has taught me a few things. One of the things is that coming up for these projects document them, so we are. That is not the problem is very, very helpful. I appreciate the effort. And then, the timeline thing is important. I am going to push you a lot on this, but respect the fact that this stuff is going to take a long time. It is critically important, you know, from your wholesale customers perspective. They are sitting back and having to respond to you. My presence here is the ability to say look, this is affecting us. Hopefully that will be clear as we go through this. And then lastly, just an appreciation for bringing this forward. I know i have been very persistent on this. The example with having a group within the staff that is focused on delivering this is one of the other key examples that i could take about trying to bring success to this. These water supply projects are very hard. They have multiple agreements. Not everybody is going to agree about them. To get them to be completed is going to be very difficult. That is a key component of success, i think. That completes my comments. We very much appreciate your persistence and keeping us on track. Thank you. I have a question. Probably from counsel. What was the difference between the mosca ceo comments that we heard, when she hit the microphone, and then when the chair actually let her stay and deal with Public Comment . What just happen there in terms of agenda Public Comment . I was confused by that switchi switching. The commission is allowed to ask any member of the public, or invite a speaker up to the