A more robust way. All of the gaskets were replaced again under warranty. So that we didnt have water in the cameras. The second issue that were experiencing and that were still troubleshooting is in some instances, the cameras will freeze or pixelate, requiring them to bring the train in or have a mechanic review it. We would never operate a train without fully functioning monitors. So we are working through those issues, as we experience them. But they are software related. Chair peskin thank you for your candor around all of those issues. We have a number of people for Public Comment. Commissioner walton. Supervisor walton thank you so much, chair peskin, and thank you for your presentation. A few questions this is just for my clarity, it may sound like a silly question. As were working through the improvements and get ising to a point getting to a point of ordering new vehicles, are they redesigning and making the improvements on the vehicles we order in the future, that were currently doing right now so that the vehicles are safe and up to we need to see, as the fleet is rolled out . Yes. Thank you for asking that question. Any enhancements that we make to phase 1 will be rolled into phase 2. Theres an additional opportunity to address things like the seats, which we currently dont have in phase 1. But well be retrofitting phase 1, based on the Customer Feedback related to the seats. Supervisor walton you talked about the excellent Customer Support from siemens. Is this excellent Customer Support costing us additional money . No. Supervisor walton thank you. Pes thank you for those questions, which were not silly at all. Commissioner mar. Supervisor mar thank you, chair peskin. And thanks to ms. Kish balm for this informative update. This is very helpful and we look forward to having receiving these regularly. I just had a few questions about some of the points in your presentation. Regarding the modification to the doors, i just wanted to ask, i think the answer hopefully is pretty obvious. I just wanted to ask whether if these modifications were in place from the beginning, whether this would have prevented the really horrible accident back in april, where the rider was caught in the door and pulled under the tracks. I believe a combination of factors, including the enhanced door, could have led to that incident being prevented. Supervisor mar for those other factors that might have also led to it, to that incident, are there steps being taken to sort of address those issues . Which im not really clear what they are. Again because the city is in the middle of active litigation on that case, i think its its better not to answer it directly. But we have addressed all aspects of concern there, including an enhanced customer awareness about holding doors. Mar right. Got it. With the modifications to the doors, is it your do you have full confidence now that the doors are going to be 100 safe for passengers, if they get anything caught in a door . I believe we have addressed the design issues. They also require ongoing maintenance. We recently had a mechanical failure with a bredda, where somebody who was exiting got her hands stuck in the door, before she could leave the train. That wasnt a design issue, it was a maintenance issue, where a loose wire had created that issue. We had not seen that issue before. Its an example of why the bredas, as they become increasingly older, become more difficult to maintain. So we have now reviewed the entire fleet two this issue, on the breda sign and incorporated into a our more detailed sixmonth door inspections. So i guess what im trying to say, in summary is it is always possible that something could break. And we work hard to maintain our doors and to test our doors, so that we have strong equipment out in service. But i believe that the enhanced design of these vehicles will address your concern. Supervisor mar thank you. And then i had another question about the locked brake issue. So you kind of spoke about how this impacted has impacted vehicle availability. But can you describe how it impacts the rider experience, like do these problems occur when a you know, a car is in use . And then what happens to the riders that are on the car . Yeah. Thats a great question. It allows me to clarify two things. One, this isnt a brake safety issue. But it is a Customer Service issue. When the trains experience this braking issue, the train cannot move until a mechanic can get to the train and manually release this brake. So we had an incident, for example, in may where this issue happened in the subway. And we had a 15 to 20minute delay where we werent able to move trains in either direction, because we had this one train locked up in a critical spot in the system. So the customer impact, any time a train breaks, is that we either cant get to the end of the line or we cant get through. And when it happens in the subway, its particularly disruptive to the entire system. Supervisor mar yeah. Thank you. Im sorry. I had a few other questions, for the 90day plan, you mentioned that, based on the hearing that we had actually i think it was in the j. O. E. Committee on the 90day plan, you were going to include targets on reducing the number of turnbacks. I dont see that in reflected in this slide here. Yeah. My apologies. This initiative was just focused on the lrv4 and the presentation at hand. Id be happy to share with your office the overall 90day plan, which included an initiative on service reliability. And both the travel time and the switchback metric that you had recommended. Supervisor mar thank you. And then one last question on the phase 2 update. You mentioned that youre no longer going to be pursuing the sixmonth early accelerated purchase of the next phase of vehicles. Is that going to result in a cost savings . I dont believe so because the the additional cost comes from compressing the overall procurement. Supervisor mar is that going to mean we wont need to expend the additional money to accelerate the purchase . It does not. If we decide collectively that we think its in the citys best interest to not keep the bredas up to seven years, we still need to compress the delivery schedule of the lrv4s. Supervisor mar thank you so much. Chair peskin all right. With that, well open it up to Public Comment. I have four speaker cards. Alvin, james, bob, and alita. If you will if i have called your name yes, you can come up to either microphone. That is great. If you want to line up to your right, my left, please feel free to do so. And if there are any other members of the public who would like to testify on item number 10, you are welcome to do so. Excuse me. Im glad to hear the good news about the retrofit of the siemens door. When i first read the reports from joe fitz about that incident, at embarcadero, i was very dismayed and disgusted about it. The reason being is that it was a design flaw from the very beginning. And there should have been a sensitive edge on the leading edge of that singleleaf front door, from the very beginning. It was it was a known issue from troops on the lower level, that from two years ago. I knew about this from two years ago, that that was fundamental design flaw. Okay. So one of the things is how did that happen . Whose fault was it . Was it siemens . Was it m. T. A. Staff . Did m. T. A. Procurement set up that design or was it something that siemens had put forward and m. T. A. Management decided to accept . Now m. T. A. Has testing and acceptance programs. It has the Safety Committee. You know, and how did this get past the higherlevel management, in terms of the Safety Committee and testing and acceptance. [bell ringing] and my take on it is that when you when you do these higher higherup, what do you call it, testing and acceptance, it needs to be based on reality. And i think what happened is that management went through a bureaucratic procedure of testing it, testing that door at the very end of its closure. [bell ringing] one quarter inch, 3 8 of an inch. A reallife a reallife test that the operators do is activate the door, stick your hand out, let it bounce back. Very simple. It didnt need no app to standard or cpuc procedure and acceptance. You know, common sense would have solved it. Thank you. Chair peskin thank you. Next speaker, please. If i have called your name or youre interested in testifying on this item, please come forward. If not, this is the last speaker on this item. Good morning, supervisors. My name is roland. I live in san jose. I think this presentation was really encouraging and shows what happens when the supervisor steps in and, you know, get miracles take place. What i do want to talk to you about is something that seems to be missing from the conversation, which is called the sandbox. If you dont know what a sandbox is, its under the seats, behind the driver. And what it does is when the wheels lose traction, the sandbox will drop some very fine abrasive sand on to the rails. And that in turn is suppose to be restoring the traction and preventing the flat spotting of the wheels. But my understanding, that for some reason, the siemens dont have the sandbox. So maybe now, or by the next meeting, somebody could confirm this one way or the other. And if they dont have a sandbox, explain why not. Because i dont understand why they wont have one. Thank you. Chair peskin thank you. Next speaker, please. Chair peskin, members, alita dupree for the record. Good morning. This subway is very important to me. And i support having new lightrail cars, because im tired of onecar trains in the middle of rush hour, packed like sardines. It reminds me of being in new york, for those of you who have never been on the new york city subway, it is legendary and historic system that moves about 6 Million People a day. And im concerned about standards. I was reading earlier, you brought up mean distance between failures. And i remember 1980 when the citys subway in new york was covered with graffiti. Average mean distance between failures was about 6,000 miles. So we bring up that were aiming for 25,000 miles of mdbf here as a goal. But yet in new york city, they are running over 100,000 miles of mean distance between failures to a high of 178,000. Now theyre down around 110,000. And so we have to ask ourselves, why are we not pushing as hard to the standard of new york to have over 100,000 miles of mean distance between failures. Light rail does not mean light. Light rail is just as good as heavy rail. It is only called light rail because it holds fewer passengers. [bell ringing] we must have standards of excellence. I was very saddened when i read about the incident on the embarcadero and i watched the video while i was sitting at home in my easy chair. And it was very saddening to me. Because if it happens to someone else, it could happen to me. So i want this to spend the appropriate money to invest in this lightrail system, so i can ride it safely, timely and affordably. Thank you. Chair peskin thank you for your time. Next speaker. Mr. Chairman, members of the board, commissioners. I have a quick question for ms. Kishbalm. The wheel, sounds rather difficult, going to involve quite a few subcontractors and various purchasers. Could she clarify why that is not on the warranty . I might have missed her answer. But i didnt hear that fully coifed. Thank you. Chair peskin thank you. Any other members of the public who would like to testify on this item . Seeing none, Public Comment is closed. [gavel] so miss kirschbaum spoke about why they were not part of the original procurement. I would like to further discuss that as well, as well as the issue raised by mr. Lebrun, with regard to the sand box. I would like to bring the sandbox issue to the next meeting. Im afraid that that steps a little outside of my technical comfort zone with the staff that i have at this meeting. I do believe that we have a sanding feature on this vehicle. But to the extent that it may be similar or different from the breda, we can bring those details forward. In terms of the flat wheels, as i discussed at the last hearing, the siemens braking system is in place across the country. And over the course of a year, a property may hit the emergency brake two or three times. So they experience a minor flat wheel and then the flat wheels get trued. And the reason for that is because our operators are taught to pull back on the propulsion unit, as a way to quickly stop the vehicle. So the operator training is to just do a quick pullback. On the bredas, it requires the twostep movement. And what we found, several years ago, is that operators could not do that movement quickly and reliably in the face of an immediate danger. So we went through a very big campaign. It was titled, you know, the mushroom is not poisonous. The mushroom is your friend. We basically invested all of this training and muscle memory for our operators to hit that emergency button. I am not willing to try to ask our operators to modify that muscle memory, whether or not theyre in a breda or an lrv4. Were continuing to emphasize pushing the mushroom for safety reasons, as were in this process of using a mixed fleet. But that being said, given the frequency that were seeing emergency braking, we had four instances last week alone. We do think we need to pursue a design change, so that we are not losing vehicle availability as a result. Chair peskin thank you for those answers. And we look forward to our next update. And good luck particularly around the reliability issue and holler if you need us. Thank you for your time. Pes thank you. Oh, one last thing. Chair peskin yes. A lot of the issues, as i said, are very technical and part of how ive been educating myself has been to spend time at siemens and to really get an understanding of the complexity of their organization. We are going to be hitting a major milestone in the next month or so, where the final vehicle from phase 1 coming off the production line. And i wanted to invite anybody from the board of supervisors, who would like to come and join us, and have an opportunity to tour the plant, talk to siemens directly, ask some of these questions, id like to invite anybody who is interested to come and join us, either on that day or on another day of more convenience. So ramos will follow up with your staff. But i do encourage those of you who that can make the time to come up. Were very fortunate that these vehicles are all produced in california, in our, you know, partner city in sacramento. And i think it would be it would help your confidence as we move forward, if you had an opportunity to see the production line. Chair peskin thank you. And we look forward for taking you up on that offer. With ma, mr. Clerk, can you read the next item. Clerk mr. Chair. Chair peskin commissioner safia, my apologies. Supervisor safai i was not going to say anything. I just have to say that the issue with using the emergency brake to essentially, you know, run out the tires, it would be great if we could get maybe someone, a representative from the transit operators to come in here and talk to us as well. Id like to hear their perspective. I understand that management doesnt want to take that risk. Were also putting millions of dollars worth of vehicles on the line. And not exactly sure if its true that they cant do a twoarm motion and why were doing that. No disrespect to miss kirschbaum. It sounds absolutely crazy to me that were using an emergency brake. If i use the emergency brake to stop my car every time i got a red light, a car would last probably about three weeks. So i really dont understand why this is the method that were using. Chair peskin commissioner, you are making a very good point. Im hereby asking our staff to recheat to the representatives, the appropriate representative at the Transit Workers Union local 250a to see if they would like to come and give the operators perspective the next time we hear this item. Thank you. Pes with that, mr. Clerk, next item please. Clerk this is information item. Chair peskin all right. Who are we going to start with, tilley . All right. Good morning. Chair peskin good morning. Commissioners, erica cordova, happy to kick off the critical item here, d. T. X. , governance oversight on project delivery and finance update. You know, as i reported back in the spring of this year, weve assemble adwellqualified, robust team of expert panelists. And frankly i think theyve done a very good job for us, in terms of getting into the details of the project, understanding and looking at the delivery, not only of the t. T. C. But also more importantly 9d. T. X. Itself. I want to say thank you to them. And also to all of the stakeholders, in particularly t. J. A. And their staff. As it relates to spending numerous hours with us and the team in that regard, in terms of the specifics. Im going to basically go ahead now and hand it over to shannon with mckenzie and company. Shes actually helped lead this effort in terms of bringing the stakeholders together, conducting interviews, et cetera. Done a very phenomenal job in that regard. Final thank you to you, chair peskin, and to this commission to asking these very important questions. We know this is one of the most critical projects here in san francisco. So were anxious to hear from our panel of experts and want to go ahead and respond to any questions you and the public may have. Shannon. Thank you. Good morning, chair peskin and commissioners. The review of the downtown extension. A bit of an introduction to the work that we have undertaken over the past few months. The sfmta convened a Multidisciplinary Panel to review and evaluate both current and alternative options for governance and oversight, funding and financing, and project delivery, to enable the successful management and delivery of the downtown extension, which we will refer to throughout the rest of our presentation as the rail program. Today ill be walking through the methodology and approach that weve taken to that work. And then members of the expert panel themselves will talk through the recommendations to date. Ten expert panelists were assembled to do this work, across a variety of different areas of expertise, as well as different organizations, to try to bring a really robust set of both experience and expertise in mega project delivery and rail program mega project delivery, as well as a balance of local, national and International Expertise to think through again what are the best practices that we know exist globally and how can we bring those locally to the rail programs execution. Six of those panelists are here today, ignacio from europe, john from w. S. P. , jeff from newsium, jose from i. D. S. And john, also with w. S. P. Theyll be walking through, a subset of them will be walking through the recommendations to date. The responsibilities of this expert panel were threefold. First, wanting to make sure that there was a thorough, welldeveloped understanding of the current state and key practices of the downtown ext