That. We have some 600 bulletins that are going out in a twoyear period. We need to substantially reduce that number, and we did so with this draft. The other big thing is there are 17 different Justice Department recommendations under accountablity, that if this draft is pushed forward, well moved to closed status. So we incorporated 17 specific recommendations into this draft. So i think it really in closing, i didnt want to get into any detail about all of that stuff. If you have questions, were happy to answer any specific questions that you might have, but thank you for your attention and consideration. President turman again, sergeant buckner, i want to thank you and tspp, as well as the dpa and everyone in the department for the fine work they did on this dgo. I will tell you that it took longer than i expected, but its its a good finished product. So just so everyone on the commission is clear, dgo 3. 01 is the dgo on dgo. It talks about how dgos will be amended, added to, what happens to bureau orders when a dgo is passed, what the power and effect of a dgo a bill or order can have on a dgo. Its a comprehensive document with a great deal of thought, forward thinking, and its forward thinking, and it has a type of reform and change. Both the doj requested, as well as our own forwardthinking chief, and his department. So with that, i will take the questions. So petra dejesus. Commissioner dejesus so i just have a couple of questions. One of the things i remember, when a bulletin has a recommendations, it has to come before this commission within a certain number of days, and i dont think that was being followed. So my concern is if were going to have a fiveyear review, i mean, how are we going to assure that its brought any bulletin modifying or substantially modifying a general order is brought within 15 days, because thats one of the criticisms that i remember . Yeah, thats a good question. Under our bulletin, were required to bring any bulletin that substantially changes the order is brought to the commission within two weeks. We will bring any policy that substantially changes our current policy to the Commission First for action. Commissioner dejesus okay. And then well take it out and endorse it into the go. Commissioner dejesus okay. President turman and i might add, if a bulletin does come forward which we agree to and pass, then it should immediately call for a revision to the dgo itself. Right, exactly. President turman, the process we created with the general order change will make it much more efficient, so well just be bringing forward every week, youre going to see general order changes that are essentially going to be changing the general order, and itll evolve as the time goes. Commissioner dejesus okay. Can i have one more question. For indexing on f on page 7, one of the things we heard also from the Police Officers or when i dont know how youre going to store it, but if youre going to electronically store it, one of the things when theyre writing their reports, it would be great when they refer to their dgo, it would be great if it had a tab there, this also relates to and have a dgo or list so they can make sure that the report or list that theyre doing has all the related items to it. I dont know but that might be one extra step here, but thats something you might consider. Youre going to change the way you number them. It would be nice to know that everything, items 3. 01 through 3. 9 are all related. Thank you for the great feedback. Were improving the mechanism by which officers can do searches, so if theyre in the field and theyre on a Domestic Violence call, for example, they could go into their cell phone and do a search and immediately know what the policies are with regard to that investigation, so those are being worked on. Were continually improving that process and looking at a couple of Different Solutions right now. Commissioner dejesus thank you. President turman commissioner hirsch . Commissioner hirsch yes. I just wanted to confirm that the dates that were looking at here for review are the dates that the commission will actually review after whatever work beforehand has been done and not the date that the department or committee will start reviewing it. President turman what days are you referring to . Commissioner hirsch well, the first day, 2020. President turman im glad to answer that for you. That is the day the dgo itself must be review, because some of those, the dgo has not been reviewed in several years, so we want to make sure the dgos are reviewed. We put them on a fiveyear schedule, so we want to make sure theyre reviewed on a regular basis going forward. Commissioner hirsch so that means the commission reviews it. President turman they review it, and then, it comes to us, and all of that should happen within the calendar year. Commissioner hirsch okay. Commissioner davis, if you look at page 6, under d, to your question about the bulletins, also, is an extra layer of checks and balances there or accountablity that any bulletin that [ inaudible ] the general order, we will comply with the department of police accountablity as well, so they get to review it and weigh in on it, soand advise the Police Commission there, as well, so i think thats an extra layer of accountablity. Commissioner dejesus yeah. That was my concern, that it just gets in front of the class quickly. I just wanted to applaud you, president turman, and the group of doing this, what do you call the dgos . This will certainly prevent those of us that remember the use of force policy hadnt been reviewed since 1995. That prevents all of this and keeps us fresh and up to date. I dont want to minimize this. We just got out of a huge hole in the in the or addresses a huge hole in the doj recommendation, so thank you. Took a lot of work and the fact that it took longer than it should, so thats good. Its good. Thank you. Clerk thank you. All right. President turman there does not appear to be other questions. Thank you so much, sergeant buckner, deputy chief thomas. Thank you. Public comment on item 3 . Hearing none, Public Comment is now closed. Commissioners, before you is dgo 3. 01, the new draft of 2018 17, i guess it should be. It says 121817, but shouldnt it be essentially, shouldnt it be read number 2 . Itll be revised so on this date, as well as as well as the proposed fiveyear rolling review, which is going to be exhibit a, and therell be an exhibit b which just does it by calendar year. With that said, commissioners, ill entertain an appropriate motion. Clerk excuse me, commissioner and president. This is on for item discussion only. President turman oh, it is. Why is it on for discussion item only . Clerk this draft required a ten day posting requirement, and my understanding is that it did not comply with the tenday posting requirement. So any time under the charter, there needs to be notice to be given to the public of any change in rules the commission is going to adopt requires a tenday posting requirement. President turman why. Definitely hear you. President turman im i sat down in early december with the department, the dpa, and went through this extensively. I also had a fiveyear rolling plan review system. Someone want to give me an explanation why this was not timely posted . I will take this up with staff later. Please schedule this for a Commission Vote next. Commission meeting. Yes, next commission meeting. Next item. Clerk item 4, discussion regarding department general order 2. 04, citizen complaints against officer, discussion. President turman okay. All right. So this is just a discussion item, which i knew about because i wanted to have a discussion. Have a seat, commander. So the department general order 2. 04 is a citizens complaint against officers, and it has typically been a dgo. Now citizens complaint against officers is not just a document that governs what the department will do and define certain terms, including what a complaint is. And its not just a command to the department. Its also a a rules to live by by the department of police accountablity. To review it, such as president turman considering what we have had previously, it is suggested, and i believe this is correct, that the proper form to have this in is a is a dgo expressing that. The to both the department and the dpa will will have this complaint procedure governed through an mou. We need an mou because dgos do not govern the actual performance of the department of police accountablity. We need a mechanism to where we as a commission or who oversees both of these departments can look to see if both are up to both organizations have met their their responsibility and their duty, and then if not to address these issues eitheror whichever offending party, should that situation arise. So it is best to have, i believe, an mou between the department and the dpa that tells both what their responsibility is and then if they fail in that responsibility, to it should be reported to the commission for us to deal with. And the dgo will simply say complaints will be governed by an mou. Discussion on that particular item . Command ill stop. Commander walsh. Good evening, president turman, commissioners, director henderson, chief scott. I was just asked to come in and just give day brief im going to try to beat director henderson in time. This dga brief 2. 04 was discussed in terms of the accountablity section of the doj report and asked that section of the accountablity wasnt the dgo, but looking at trends in the complaints, making sure our staff at the station level knew how these trends are moving forward, so it was allencompassing. I think 2. 04 would still exist. I think their requirements for the Police Officers and command to take those citizen complains, because 24 hours a day, dpa is not open, so there would be guidance in that section. We have provided a 2. 04 to the commission. I know that dpa also has had 2. 04. Weve had discussions with commissioner hirsch, and so were working through that. We had a proposed appendix or mou which has been a topic of discussion that weve sent over. So weve kind of been trying to meld all of these things together. The complication is this does affect every Police Officer member of the department, so we know that the employee groups will be extensively interested in what that final outcome is. But i think that in cooperation with dpa and some of the guidance of the commission, i think this can be wrapped up pretty quickly and done after a couple more meetings and then pushing it out to the peg groups so they have a say in what the members will be involved with. President turman okay. Director henderson . Thank you for that excellent input and for this draft. We we as commissioners already now already have a draft of this that we have gone through, dpa meaning very thoroughly since july, and so im eager, ready, and happy to sit down to move forward to address these differences to try and come to the same page about our interests collectively in moving this forward. President turman thank you, director. I have to tell you that it has been since july, so we do need to move forward on this, so i am proposing a meeting with the dpa and the department on friday of this week, and which i will join so that we can begin some initial work on that. So ill our last i will ask both director henderson and his staff, as well as the chief, commander walsh, and his staff to see if we can meet at our at my usual Early Morning meeting time with the chief to see if we can at least start to bang out and talk about some of these issues. Because i would like to have this dgo pushed out to the groups and id like it to be voted on by the second week of february. So lets move it. Its been too long already. Commander, are you waiting for more comments . Is there going to be bagels and coffee, because the last one we went. President turman if there are coffee and bagels hold on for Public Comment. Questions for the chief or director henderson . Public comment. My name is collide brown. Im serving as the chairman of the Bar Association of San FranciscoOversight Committee on the dpa and its operations. I am i rise to express some concern about the vagueness of the last sentence in 1 a, officers shall cooperate fully with the dpa and provide their full assistance in the impartial processing of the citizen complain complaints. President turman im sorry. What are you referring to . Right there. Im concerned because information that weve had indicate that police legal i know theres a document production protocol thats in draft and being worked on, but the problem is that documents are not coming from police legal when requested in a timely fashion by dpa. Thats my understanding, and this document general order doesnt explicitly refer to the need to incorporate into it a reference to a document production protocol and the need to comply with that. I think that that is a critical issue when it comes to the dpas ability to follow through on citizen complaints, and i i just would raise the issue. President turman thank you. Mr. Leidman is of course correct. The document that he refers to is document 2. 04, which are is our current 72094 draft. He raises a good point, one which miss marian of the dpa has already raised, so it will be thoroughly reviewed and looked into. And i thank you for raising that point. Anymore Public Comment on this item . Yes. Im also concerned about the expediency of the complaint. I at the last Police Commission meeting, i complained about the fact that the body worn video cameras were not turned on and when oneal was killed, the only one that was on was by the rookie who killed him, and it was because it had 30 second delay backwards. Why isnt there an investigation . Im talking over here, an investigation by the dpa about why that officer who was with the rookie didnt have his body camera on . Why the other people involved in the chase, because there were other officers involved in the chase, did not have their camera on . Where is the films of those . What disciplinary action has been taken against those officers for not putting the camera on when they knew it was required by law. As soon as a chase occurs, its supposed to go on. Here is a rookie cop not being given direction and then kills kills a person. That persons dead. Then, those videos are shown in a church, in a church, during the season, the christmas season. Sort of like the two theevs next to jesus. And lets show it twice to really traumatic people. This is not how Community Relations get built. I dont know why when youre doing your commission reports, none of you asked whats going on with this murder case . I dont hear anything going on. It seems with the d. A. , its just an unspoken agreement in this city, if a Police Officer kills someone, nothing happens, and thats been happening over and over and over again. By the way, tomorrow night, there will be a Community Gathering about the end of policing. Some of you might like to come. President turman all right. Any other Public Comment on the item 4 . Hearing none, Public Comment is now closed. Commissioner hirsch . Commissioner hirsch id just like to say id like to be present for the friday meeting if i can make it. What time do you start . President turman usually around 8 00. Commissioner hirsch okay. Thanks. Mr. Chairman . President turman this is not an action item. Im sorry. I dont know why i didnt catch it, the retreat that i have for my entire office and my new staff is friday, and ill be gone all day. President turman all right. I guess youll have to catch us on the next round. Okay. President turman all right. Secretary kilshaw. Clerk Public Comment. The public is welcome to address the commission on items that do not appear on tonights agenda about they will be before the commission. Speaker shall address their remarks as a whole and not to an individual commission or dpa or police personnel. Neither police or dba personnel nor commissioners are required to respond to questions presented by the public but may provide a brief response. Individual commissioners and police and dpa personnel should refrain, however, from entering into any debates or discussion with speakers during Public Comment. Please limit your comments to three minutes. President turman thank you. Good evening. Would you like to use the overhead . Yes, in a hurry. Im just here to talk about my son who was murdered on august 14, 2006, still waiting for some closure on his case. His case number is well it was on here. Well, were just still waiting for some people to come forth to say what happened in his case, and the case number used to be on here, but i cant see it, and i want to say it. In that time, i do want some closure as a mother. Im down here with my grandson now, and its not easy, but i needed to come and speak about my child. Okay. And im going to stop right here, okay . cause hes not going to let me go the rest of the way. President turman hes fine. Go ahead. Hes actually welcome. Yes, and ill take the overhead off. But im still looking for some closure for my son, and i think this year is a little hard for me, and i dont know what else to do. Im its going to be coming up on this year. August 14 is going to be 12 years that ive been out here on the battlefield trying to get justice for my son. Im still asking that we have the fliers that i care wry aro, that we have a venue to put them at the bus stops, at the schools, a place to put them so that i wont have to stand on my car and put them on top of a post for someone to tear them down. And then, you know, i can well, even if i get a little closure, i can spend a little bit more time with my grandchildren instead of coming here, doing this every wednesday. Not that i dont want to be here. You know, ive built a relationship with everyone in here. And but i do want some closure, and i do want to spend more time with my grandchildren instead of being here talking about my son. I mean, im going to still talk about him either way. I mean, this is his nephew, marcus. Little marcus. This is my last grandchild right now, and i have four grand boys and one granddaughter. I have five grandchildren who is not here to see their uncle, and its not sad i mean, its sad. And they hear me talk about it all the time, and they always ask me, mommy where is or nana, wheres aubrey at. They always see the pictures all the time. I want to be able to