A lot of people said that the snipers were from israel. Well continue the documentary in a few minutes, but now lets get back to the main news. In new kokhovka , an attempt was made on the life of the executive secretary of the local branch of united russia, vladimir malov. The governor of the kherson region , vladimir salda, called the incident a terrorist attack and said that those responsible would be brought to justice. Senator from the kherson region Igor Kastyukevich reported that united rossas car was blown up this morning, he himself was taken to the hospital in serious condition hospital. The circumstances of the assassination attempt are now being clarified by law enforcement. Organs. We regard this as a terrorist attack aimed at civilians, aimed at those people who are building a new life. Now, uh, alexander is in the hospital, doctors are fighting for his life. The israeli army announced the launch of a counterterrorism operation in the gaza strip called iron swords. Dozens. For the goals of the radicals. Meanwhile, Benjamin Netanyahu stressed that israel is in a state of war. The Prime Minister ordered to clear border settlements from militants and mobilize reservists. Israels actions were a response to a massive attack on israeli territory. Several thousand rockets were fired from the gas sector. The militants managed to penetrate israeli territory by land, air and sea. There are reports of deaths. As the hamas leader stated, the palestinian military operation was a response to the quote aggressive actions. Israeli authorities against the alaqsa mosque in jerusalem. Meanwhile, according to media reports, palestinian president Mahmoud Abbas held an emergency meeting and declared the right of the people for selfdefense against israeli troops. Now there is a small advertisement, and then a continuation of the documentary film. 1993 is a turning point. 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These are the snipers who were in ukraine, i personally saw one of them on the roof of the american embassy, maybe it was just a frightened Security Guard who suddenly decided to join the shooters, i dont presume to judge, but this was not investigated, in the bodies of the dead near the white house, what kind of bullets were there, were they ours or foreign ones, and you know, well, first of all, all this went through examination everything was ours, i can tell you, almost 99 , no matter what bullets were fired, as a rule, the bullets, the bullets themselves, when it passed through a threaded barrel, then hit the human body, then they took it out of there, this is to be established, what and whose bullet it is is impossible. Surprisingly, in those days crowds of people gather near the white house to observe the power confrontation with their own eyes; the entire embankment area is packed with people. The most curious and desperate ones occupy places on the roofs. The white house is here in full view, for them everything that happens is political a performance where the ending will be bloody and scary. The worst thing is that there were a huge number of people standing on the bridge who applauded after each shot, but what were they applauding for . Victory of democracy over the conservative parliament. Many onlookers, most desperately, ran to the white house on the first floor. Through broken glass, the windows penetrated inside, on the right side there was a room for managing the affairs of the Supreme Council and there was a storage room where gifts were kept that the deputies, the Supreme Council, during official meetings, gave delegations, these people, who can almost be called looters, penetrated, despite the shots, despite the fire starting there, which means they dragged these. Towards evening, the entire top of the white house will be arrested, accusing in organizing mass unrest and sent to liforto, everyone experienced their defeat in their own way, khazbullatov was absolutely confused, rutskoi behaved confidently, it turned out to be rich military experience, did you have the opportunity to leave the white house and avoid arrest, avoid, but this the same thing as running away, but also how they would treat me after that , that is, you didnt have such thoughts at all, no, this is not in my rules, firstly, im still, uh, a military man, and i clearly and clearly understand what betrayal is, therefore. Im not capable of leaving people to run away after orestes, as i passed , so when the alphas left, so we went out as they ordered and we are waiting, then korzhakov appears and shouts, khazbulatov, rudskoy, and so go there, go through the evaluation and he was there with the alfovites, and he answered the questions of the deputies, so he said, thats what the comrades from alpha said, they say, not a single hair will fall from khazbulatovs head, we go out, thats an interesting thing, and theres such a black crowd, hes in front , everyone said, maybe snipers will shoot at me there, suddenly he lowers himself, this little guy who was walking ahead of me is supposedly tying a shoelace, and then i thought, he lowered himself on purpose, maybe so that someone would shoot, and why didnt they put handcuffs on the russians, and why, why, they criminals, or what . Well, makashov didnt swear, well, as far as i remember in faye, he was silent, when he got on the bus, he. He started a little bit , so a little bit, what did he say . Well, he talked about betrayal, they betrayed their homeland, the country, well, they told him that it was better not to have such defenders for the country, and he fell silent, they were detained in the white house and they were taken from the convoy, they were each placed, they were given an office, well, i had to interrogate. What did makashov say, why did he still join russky and khazbullatov . When this whole situation happened, he came to moscow and appeared to russian and was appointed deputy minister of defense. He at least talked about the need to save the Russian Federation, russia. That is, for the sake of saving the country, he will join. Naturally. What did you do in prison, how did they treat you there . In prison they treated me very well, starting with the head of the prison, everyone treated me just with this, you know, well, with a desire in general to help somehow, and what did you do in prison, read books, wrote in prison, wrote endlessly, finished my book, conclusion of the world economy, and wrote feverishly from the memories of this great russian. Werent afraid that you would stay there for several years, i was afraid of only one thing in my life, when i served in the army, fought in afghanistan, look my wives, children, parents in the eyes, if i lose someone, in what conditions of detention, khazbulatov, makashov, who was in the cells with them . For some time he told me, here i am sitting , i cant even talk, im sitting with a black man, and then we werent particularly interested in who they were sitting with, werent you alone in the cell . No, at first i was in solitary confinement, then they planted ducks on me so that they would knock what i said, then again in solitary confinement, just like that they moved me from place to place place, after 4 and a half months in february of ninetyfour, all participants in those events, without waiting here, will be amnestied, without restrictions on participation in politics. During this time, the country adopted a new constitution by popular vote, 58 in favor, which, among other things, regulated the post of vice president. I didnt sign the amnesty, because signing an amnesty is an admission of guilt, is it really my fault that the president violated the constitution, the basic law of the state, no, i didnt sign, everyone signed, except me, everyone was released, they kept me for a whole week, then they released me, do you think its fair that all the instigators were eventually given an amnesty, all the instigators were not punished yet, kazbullatov and russkaya were also victims, but they were tested, amnestied or rehabilitated, there is a difference, that is, i was forgiven, what did you feel when you were released, but i didnt feel anything, you know, no relief, some kind of detachment, that is, all these romantic expectations that i shared, i he was such a champion of gorbachev, like most russian intellectuals, but all this has faded away. In the end there was hope, okay, they defeated the ussr, lets at least do something in the Russian Federation for society, for the people. How fair is it in your opinion that rutskova and khazbulatova ended up. I dont really want to answer this question, when i watched, two teams fought, yeltsin, rutsko and khazbullatov, they strangled the soviet team together, they worked together with these turds that came to destroy, they signed all the documents together, because they didnt share something and ran away , he didnt allow them to be released from prison, kazannik ordered their release, well, what happened around boris nikolavich, i cant even tell you, because he was extremely indignant that they had to release from there, this is the result, as fair as it seems to you personally, the amnesty was in relation to the state committee for the communist party of the soviet union, simultaneous, the same resolution, this is my opinion, if we involve the victims of the october revolution of 1993, this is exactly the definition yeltsin will give those events, there will be almost 200 people, at least a thousand wounded, the charred facade of the white house will remain for a long time a reminder of what exorbitant ambitions, refusal to compromise and rash decisions lead to, which. But you dont feel responsible for the deaths of people in ninetythree, and maybe i gave the command to shoot, kill people, of course i have responsibility, i went out into the street and more than once i say, guys, lets leave quietly, because its unclear how it will end, of course there is also some of my guilt. But the main one the culprit of what happened is the president of russia, yeltsin, and the perpetrators erin, grachev, firstly, i will honestly tell you that even after 30 years, i believe that i do not know the whole truth about the events of the ninetythird year, i have a lot of questions, some of them ended with the death of minister of state security barannikov, who died very quickly after those events, but was it still possible to avoid bloodshed . Well, it was necessary to arrest yeltsin, there was no other way, if rudskaya khazbulatov had surrendered, no there would have been no assault, you see, i was also grazing a bunch of ruts khazbul there, i was very afraid, and grudsky was a follower of the khazbalats. He was treacherous, strong, and he betrayed rudsky, he would have forced rudsky to shoot the kremlin, everything went wrong a certain dead end, because, of course, no one wanted blood from the side, the president , of course, from the side of the Supreme Council there were military people, tough ones, who wanted, thought that they could overthrow yeltsin by force, but they simply did not succeed. Bloodshed could and should have been avoided was, but this required yeltsins departure, which he and his team categorically did not want . You know, the fact is that each side believed that the instigator was the other side, i, as the chairman of the house of parliament at that time, i will say that both sides were to blame. Did you meet with yeltsin after you were released . Yes, in ninety six there was a fair in Nizhny Novgorod and there i met yelets. They stood at nemtsovs gathering, and i was friends with boris, well, i tried to kind of pass by, i heard yeltsins voice. Alexander vladimirich, where are you going . Come here. I approached, well, thats how it is with us, i wish you good health. That is, you were the first to offer your hand, no, i wish you good health, he extended his hand, said hello, and nemtsova says, we have it, he says, we have it, well , they poured it, you say, forgive me, please, i didnt think it was like that it will end, thats all, i didnt see him again, many of the main characters of those events had already passed away, he died in april 2007. Khazbulatov in january, fillatov in august of this year. We wrote about the last two shortly before their death. And it seems that they were sincere. Unsure, we could have won, but what would have happened if the supporters of russian and khazbel had won, we wouldnt be talking here now, the Supreme Council is also quick, because some wanted a return, others wanted a nationally colored state there to a greater extent, i dont i can tell you what would have happened, what happened after yeltsins victory everyone remembers, the dashing nineties, now a household name, criminal showdowns and a demographic hole, american spies in large enterprises, including defense ones, war in chechnya. The impoverishment of the army and the people , black tuesday of the nineties, when the russian ruble fell by almost 40 , and the default of the ninetyeighth, when our wooden ruble fell in price by 3 and a half times. The newborn country was looking for its way through stress and upheaval. But it is unknown what would have happened to our homeland if the socalled parliamentary democracy led by khazbullatov, rutssky and their motley supporters had won. Things could have been even worse, chaos and civil war. The consequences are dire for millions of our fellow citizens. Undoubtedly, everything that happened in ninetythree was a shock and a shock for the whole country. How much did those events influence the course of the history of our country . In our country, of course. This was a turning point; firstly, the system of councils inherited from the 20th century, generally from the soviet era, was destroyed. Secondly, i think, well, every cloud has a silver lining, as they say, the coup of 1993 put an end to the sovereignty of the national republics. This is another important thing that the winners of the ninetythird do not want to admit of the year. The kremlins alternative to the congress of peoples deputies consisted of different models of economic reform. Of course, the collapse of the soviet union and the events of 1993 is a direct continuation of the struggle between the reds and the whites. I think that to this day we are still infected with this. Condition, so this is a big lesson, a tragic lesson, especially when today i feel with my skin, my soul, what a dangerous line we were crossing then, since october 4, just in ninetythree, there was an impetus and the constitution of the administrations, the russian state, the subjects Russian Federation, well, so that russia moves forward, develops, becomes a leading power , the people of the world stand on four main pillars. The first pillar is strong centralized power. The second quality is that we are collectivists. No one can cope in these vast spaces alone. And the russians accomplished a great feat, they under their own banners. Another quality justice, a person cannot exist without justice when all these four foundations came together in the soviet era , then we became the most victorious in space. There has been a certain bias in the constitution towards strong president ial power; i myself am a supporter of strong power, of course, especially in our huge country, but parliament should not turn into a club of interests. Only now a certain correction has been made, by the way, on the initiative of vladimir putin, the parliament has been given certain powers to form the executive branch , to control not only the budget, but over the actions of the government, i think that they have had a very serious impact, firstly, on everything saw that in our country, all the conquests you cant take something for granted, you have to fight for it, for it. Then you have to lay down your life in order for all this to happen, this applies to major politicians such as yeltsin, chernomdin, these are people who. Of course, in general, they put everything on the line, not only their political future, but also their lives, russia was worth it to make great sacrifices, this is sti